{"id":130113,"date":"2005-12-23T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2005-12-22T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-motion-regarding-report-of-committee-to-inquire-into-on-23-december-2005"},"modified":"2017-08-16T17:19:54","modified_gmt":"2017-08-16T11:49:54","slug":"discussion-on-motion-regarding-report-of-committee-to-inquire-into-on-23-december-2005","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-motion-regarding-report-of-committee-to-inquire-into-on-23-december-2005","title":{"rendered":"Discussion On Motion Regarding Report Of Committee To Inquire Into &#8230; on 23 December, 2005"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"docsource_main\">Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n<div class=\"doc_title\">Discussion On Motion Regarding Report Of Committee To Inquire Into &#8230; on 23 December, 2005<\/div>\n<\/p>\n<pre><\/pre>\n<p>                                          &gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=Title%20\">Title <\/a>:  Discussion on Motion  regarding Report of Committee to inquire into the allegations of improper conduct on the part of some members.   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=THE%20MINISTER%20OF%20DEFENCE%20\">THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20PRANAB%20MUKHERJEE\">SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE<\/a>): I beg to move:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat this House having taken note of the Report of the Committee to inquire into the allegations of improper conduct on the part of some members, constituted on 12 December, 2005, accepts the findings of the Committee that the conduct of the ten members of Lok Sabha, namely, Shri Narendra Kumar Kushawaha, Shri Annasaheb M.K. Patil, Shri Manoj Kumar, Shri Y.G. Mahajan, Shri Pradeep Gandhi, Shri Suresh Chandel, Shri Ramsevak Singh, Shri Lal Chandra Kol, Shri Rajaram Pal and Shri Chandra Pratap Singh was unethical and unbecoming of members of Parliament and their continuance as members of Lok Sabha is untenable and resolves that they may be expelled from the membership of Lok Sabha.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you have very correctly pointed out, this is a very sad occasion. When I rise to move this Motion, I feel more sad because in my first tenure as the Member of this august House and as the Leader of this august House, I am to discharge such a painful duty which is entrusted to me.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Many years ago, some of the hon. Members who were not born, I myself was a very young man \u2013 not a man, a young student \u2013 on 27th of June, 1947, when Indian Independence Act was piloted in the House of Commons, the then Leader of the Opposition, Sir Winston Churchill, opposing the Bill of Independence stated that the world\u2019s one of the \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 ancient civilisations would collapse because the parliamentary system would not be sustainable. Eleven years after that, another Prime Minister, Sir Antony Eden, while making comments on Indian Constitution observed that within three years of its Independence, the oldest civilisation of the world, India in its Constituent Assembly enacting the Constitution could prove its vitality because I quote, \u2018it produced the magnificient magna carta of socio-economic transformation of a huge mass of backward people.\u2019  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I am referring to these things because the subject on which the hon. Members will deliberate is so sensitive and I do feel that the sensitivity is to be kept in mind with the duties which we are going to perform, the responsibilities which we are going to discharge are not very easy. It is not very easy to pass judgement on a colleague with whom we shared so many things, with whom we worked so long, whether sitting this side or that side. Accident of sitting is no question. All of them are our colleagues. But, at the same time, as you have very correctly pointed out, certain duties ought to be discharged, however painful it may be.\n<\/p>\n<p>What happened on 12th of this month? What was telecast and after that when we assembled at your room, we, all of us, did not share our views or thoughts with each other[p18]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But all of us felt that something is to be done.\u00a0The whole country is looking at us as to how the largest functional democracy of the world, how the representatives of 640 million voters are going to respond to a situation, which has challenged the very essence of our continuance here.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, raising questions on the floor of the House is one of the most basic fundamental Parliamentary privileges, which has been asserted not only by the Members, it has been recognised by the Chair. Even when the elaborate arrangements were not made\u00a0 &#8212; if I remember correctly &#8212; in the century before the last, in 1891, when even the Montagu reforms were not passed,\u00a0 when the Legislative Council\u00a0 used to meet in a small chamber of Viceregal House of Calcutta, which is now currently\u00a0Raj Bhavan, Members were allowed to raise questions.\u00a0\u00a0 Members of the Legislative Council were allowed to raise questions to the Members of the Executive Council as early as 1891.\u00a0 Later on, it was developed; it became the inherent right of a Member of Parliament to represent his constituency, to represent the public interest by raising questions, seeking clarifications, expressing his views; and for that the Constitution of India has given unlimited powers to the Members concerned, of course, subject to the rules and regulations framed by themselves, and moderated\u00a0 and conducted by their chosen\u00a0 representative in the form of Speaker. Therefore, this authority, this\u00a0 power should not be misused.\n<\/p>\n<p>I am not a lawyer and I am not going into the legality of the issue. This is a 36-page Report, which my colleague, Shri Pawan Kumar Bansal and all other\u00a0 colleagues who served this Committee, have prepared it.\u00a0They have gone through the whole issue.\u00a0It is not a question of legality.\u00a0It is a question to ask ourselves, to ask our conscience as to what should we do in this given situation.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0If we go through the Report, we will find that none of the hon. Members, who were given the chance to explain their conduct and when some of them pointed out that this may be doctored, these may not represent the thing in its entirety,\u00a0 they were offered to look into the tapes, the unedited version, and they simply refused to accept it.\u00a0 They did not accept this offer.\u00a0 I must compliment the Committee that the day you announced the composition of the Committee, they\u00a0 themselves met.\u00a0 They had regular sittings, almost daily.\u00a0\u00a0 As per the practice, they evolved the procedures and the conduct as to how they will discharge their duties.\u00a0 Very diligently, elaborately and without any bias they tried to find out the truth[k19]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Anirudh Bahl and his associates were subjected to cross-examination by the Committee.\u00a0 As I mentioned, it is not a court of law.\u00a0 Every decision\u00a0 cannot be determined in the court of law.\u00a0\u00a0 Some\u00a0 very senior hon. Members\u00a0are sitting on the other side, and this side also.\u00a0 They will recollect, and you, yourself, Sir, were a Member of the House at that time.\u00a0\u00a0My mind goes back to the days of\u00a0another Winter Session of 1978 when the then ex-Prime Minister,\u00a0 who had the privilege of being the Prime Minister and the leader of this House for 11 years till that time, and later on she again became the leader, was subjected to a similar situation.\u00a0 When Mr. Morarji Desasi, the then leader of the House moved this motion, Mrs. Gandhi replied that \u2018she did never say that she disagreed\u00a0 with the views of the Privileges Committee.\u2019 What she pointed out was that: \u201cWith full respect to the Privileges Committee, having full confidence in the judgement of the Privileges Committee, most respectfully I would like to submit\u00a0 that the opportunity which should have been given has not been given.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 But here, it is not the case like that. I do agree that this House should not convert itself into Star Chamber of the House of Commons in the 17th Century.\u00a0 But at the same time, when a situation like this arises, the question is whether the House would like to assert itself collectively irrespective of who sits on which side of you.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have built a nice system that there are occasions, when the House should speak in once voice, take decision almost unanimously, just to assert its right to maintain honour and dignity of the House.\u00a0Can we say, let us search our own hearts? I am not going into the technicality but after whatever we saw, that somebody is trying to keep money under the cushion, can anyone say that all the legal punctilious ought to be pursued?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I would not like to lengthen my observation.\u00a0I am not going into the details and analysing it from a lawyer\u2019s point of view, but as a plain, simple, common man, as an ordinary citizen of this country, I do feel that the dignity\u00a0 of this House must be preserved, not by any proclamation by the Supreme Court or any other court, but by the Members\u00a0themselves, but by this House itself.\u00a0Therefore, most respectfully I would like to submit, through you, to all the hon. Members: let us ponder, let us rise to the occasion, take the decision, take courage in our both hands, and face the consequences.\u00a0 We may not be here, we will not be here forever[k20]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>But there is continuity. That continuity is to be maintained; the high tradition and the dignity of this House are to be maintained. Let us not compromise on that.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With these few words, I recommend to the House that the motion be adopted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Thank you.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, Prof. Vijay Kumar Malhota has got an amendment. He may move that amendment and then speak.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u091c\u0940, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0923\u092c \u092e\u0941\u0916\u0930\u094d\u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947, \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0928\u0947 \u091c\u094b \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0935 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092a\u0930 \u0930\u0916\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0928 \u092a\u0930 \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0902\u0936\u094b\u0927\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201c\u0915\u093f \u0907\u0938 \u0938\u092e\u0924\u093f \u0915\u0947 \u0907\u0928 \u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0915\u0930\u094d\u0937\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0938\u094d\u0935\u0940\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0926\u0938 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902,  <\/p>\n<p>\u0905\u0930\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0924\u094d \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0928\u0930\u0947\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0941\u0936\u0935\u093e\u0939\u093e, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0905\u0928\u094d\u0928\u093e\u0938\u093e\u0939\u0947\u092c \u090f\u092e.\u0915\u0947. \u092a\u093e\u091f\u0940\u0932, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092e\u0928\u094b\u091c \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930,  <\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0935\u093e\u0908.\u091c\u0940. \u092e\u0939\u093e\u091c\u0928, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0926\u0940\u092a \u0917\u093e\u0902\u0927\u0940, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0930\u0947\u0936 \u091a\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0947\u0932, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e\u0938\u0947\u0935\u0915 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0932\u093e\u0932  <\/p>\n<p>\u091a\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u094c\u0932, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u093e\u0930\u093e\u092e \u092a\u093e\u0932 \u0914\u0930 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091a\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093e\u092a \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0915\u093e \u0906\u091a\u0930\u0923 \u0905\u0928\u0948\u0924\u093f\u0915 \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930  <\/p>\n<p>\u0938\u0902\u0938\u0926\u094d\u094d \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0905\u0936\u094b\u092d\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u093e \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0930\u0942\u092a \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u0928\u0947  <\/p>\n<p>\u0930\u0939\u0928\u093e \u0905\u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0902\u0915\u0932\u094d\u092a \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u0924\u093e \u0938\u0947   <\/p>\n<p>\u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0915\u093e\u0938\u093f\u0915 \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0964\u201d  <\/p>\n<p> \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0928 \u092a\u0930 &#8211;\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201c\u0907\u0938 \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u0947 \u0915\u094b \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0935\u093f\u0936\u0947\u0937\u093e\u0927\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u092e\u0924\u093f \u0915\u094b \u092d\u0947\u091c\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0938\u0902\u0915\u0932\u094d\u092a \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u201d   <\/p>\n<p> \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093f\u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u092a\u093f\u0924 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0906\u0926\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0914\u0930 \u0938\u092e\u094d\u092e\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0932\u0940\u0921\u0930 \u0911\u092b \u0926\u093f \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0923\u092c \u092e\u0941\u0916\u0930\u094d\u091c\u0940 \u0915\u093e \u092d\u093e\u0937\u0923 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0947 \u0939\u0940 \u0938\u094d\u092a\u0937\u094d\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u092e\u0947\u0930\u093e \u092f\u093e \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e \u0907\u0930\u093e\u0926\u093e \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0924\u093f \u092d\u094d\u0930\u0937\u094d\u091f\u093e\u091a\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0924\u093f \u0907\u0938 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0940 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SPEAKER<\/a>: Please do not interrupt. I earnestly make this appeal. This is a very serious matter. He is a very responsible Member of the major Opposition Party. He has his views to express. 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\u0905\u0902\u0926\u0930 \u092e\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0917\u0932 \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u093e \u0906\u092f\u093e \u0914\u0930 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0915\u093f \u092e\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0917\u0932 \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u094b \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u0928\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0915\u093e\u0938\u093f\u0924 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u091c\u092c \u092e\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0917\u0932 \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u094b \u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0915\u093e\u0938\u093f\u0924 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e, \u0924\u092c &#8211;\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe case before the Committee was opened by the Attorney-General.\u00a0 He summarises the material which has already been presented to the Committee.\u00a0 The Attorney-General gave an impartial picture of the whole thing. \u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>After the evidence was completed, Shri Mudgil was given.\u00a0 \u0909\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 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\u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0914\u0930 \u090f\u0915 \u0915\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u0930\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0927 \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f\u0935\u093e\u0939\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u0917\u0908 \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u092a\u093e\u0902\u091a \u092e\u0939\u0940\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e\u0964 There was a Committee.\u00a0 It was not the Privileges Committee. \u0935\u0939 \u090f\u0915 \u092a\u0942\u0930\u0940 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0925\u0940\u0964 \u092a\u0930\u0902\u0924\u0941 \u0909\u0938 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0935\u0939\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0938\u093f\u091c\u0930 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e\u092f\u093e\u0964 \u0932\u0917\u093e\u0924\u093e\u0930 \u092a\u093e\u0902\u091a \u092e\u0939\u0940\u0928\u0947 \u0924\u0915 \u0915\u094d\u0930\u093e\u0938 \u090f\u0917\u094d\u091c\u093e\u092e\u093f\u0928\u0947\u0936\u0928 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\u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0915\u0947\u0938 \u0915\u094b \u0930\u0916\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e, \u092e\u0948\u092e\u094d\u092c\u0930 \u0909\u0938 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092e\u094c\u091c\u0942\u0926 \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u0909\u0938\u0928\u0947 \u092d\u0940 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u094b \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0930\u0916\u093e\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u091c\u092c \u092e\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0917\u0932 \u0915\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0906\u092a \u0907\u0938\u0915\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0916\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947, \u0924\u092c \u092d\u0940 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0938\u0940\u091c\u0930 \u0915\u094b \u092b\u094c\u0932\u094b \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u091c\u0940, \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u091c\u094b \u0938\u0902\u0935\u0948\u0927\u093e\u0928\u0915 \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093f\u0924\u093f \u0939\u0948 \u201cThe term &#8216;expulsion&#8217; has not been defined in the Constitution, Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha or any law relating to elections.\u201d \u092f\u0939 \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u093e\u0935\u0932\u0940 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u0938\u0941\u092a\u094d\u0930\u0940\u092e \u0939\u0948, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0915\u0941\u091b \u0907\u0928\u0939\u0948\u0930\u0947\u0902\u091f \u0930\u093e\u0907\u091f\u094d\u0938 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u092a\u0930\u0928\u094d\u0924\u0941 \u0907\u0938\u0940 \u0906\u0927\u093e\u0930 \u092a\u0930 \u092a\u0902\u091c\u093e\u092c \u0914\u0930 \u0939\u0930\u093f\u092f\u093e\u0923\u093e \u0939\u093e\u0908\u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0928\u0947 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u090f\u0915 \u091c\u091c\u092e\u0947\u0928\u094d\u091f \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e, \u091c\u093f\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0939\u0930\u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u0932\u093e\u0932 \u091c\u0940, \u091c\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u091f \u0905\u0938\u0948\u092e\u094d\u092c\u0932\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915\u094d\u0938\u092a\u0948\u0932 \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e, \u091c\u092c \u0935\u0939 \u0939\u093e\u0908\u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0917\u090f \u0924\u094b \u0939\u093e\u0908\u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u092f\u0939 \u0905\u0927\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948, \u0928\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0905\u0924\u0930\u093f\u0915\u094d\u0924 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0914\u0930 \u0938\u091c\u093e \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f &#8211; They said that the expulsion of the petitioner is unconstitutional, illegal, in-operative and, as a necessary consequence, direct the Election Commission of India not to proceed to fill the vacancy supposedly resulting from the action, etc.   <\/p>\n<p> \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u092e\u0927\u094d\u092f \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0939\u093e\u0908\u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0915\u093e \u092d\u0940 \u090f\u0915 \u0930\u0942\u0932 \u0939\u0948, \u091c\u093f\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0915\u094b \u0928\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0932 \u0924\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0938\u0940\u091f \u092b\u093f\u0932 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u0940\u0964 \u092f\u0947 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href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER%20%3A%20Motion%20moved%20\">MR. SPEAKER : Motion moved <\/a>:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat this House having taken note of the Report of the Committee to inquire into the allegations of improper conduct on the part of some members, constituted on 12 December, 2005, accepts the findings of the Committee that the conduct of the ten members of Lok Sabha, namely, Shri Narendra Kumar Kushawaha, Shri Annasaheb M.K. Patil, Shri Manoj Kumar, Shri Y.G. Mahajan, Shri Pradeep Gandhi, Shri Suresh Chandel, Shri Ramsevak Singh, Shri Lal Chandra Kol, Shri Rajaram Pal and Shri Chandra Pratap Singh was unethical and unbecoming of members of Parliament and their continuance as members of Lok Sabha is untenable and resolves that they may be expelled from the membership of Lok Sabha.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=Amendment%20moved%20\">Amendment moved <\/a>:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201c\u0915\u093f \u0907\u0938 \u0938\u092e\u0924\u093f \u0915\u0947 \u0907\u0928 \u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0915\u0930\u094d\u0937\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0938\u094d\u0935\u0940\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0926\u0938 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902,  <\/p>\n<p>\u0905\u0930\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0924\u094d \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0928\u0930\u0947\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0941\u0936\u0935\u093e\u0939\u093e, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0905\u0928\u094d\u0928\u093e\u0938\u093e\u0939\u0947\u092c \u090f\u092e.\u0915\u0947. \u092a\u093e\u091f\u0940\u0932, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092e\u0928\u094b\u091c \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930,  <\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0935\u093e\u0908.\u091c\u0940. \u092e\u0939\u093e\u091c\u0928, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0926\u0940\u092a \u0917\u093e\u0902\u0927\u0940, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0930\u0947\u0936 \u091a\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0947\u0932, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e\u0938\u0947\u0935\u0915 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0932\u093e\u0932  <\/p>\n<p>\u091a\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u094c\u0932, \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u093e\u0930\u093e\u092e \u092a\u093e\u0932 \u0914\u0930 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091a\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093e\u092a \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0915\u093e \u0906\u091a\u0930\u0923 \u0905\u0928\u0948\u0924\u093f\u0915 \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930  <\/p>\n<p>\u0938\u0902\u0938\u0926\u094d\u094d \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0905\u0936\u094b\u092d\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u093e \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0930\u0942\u092a \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u0928\u0947  <\/p>\n<p>\u0930\u0939\u0928\u093e \u0905\u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0902\u0915\u0932\u094d\u092a \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u0924\u093e \u0938\u0947   <\/p>\n<p>\u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0915\u093e\u0938\u093f\u0915 \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0964\u201d  <\/p>\n<p> \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0928 \u092a\u0930 &#8211;\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201c\u0907\u0938 \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u0947 \u0915\u094b \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0935\u093f\u0936\u0947\u0937\u093e\u0927\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u092e\u0924\u093f \u0915\u094b \u092d\u0947\u091c\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0938\u0902\u0915\u0932\u094d\u092a   <\/p>\n<p>\u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u201d   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>May I, before I call the next hon. Member to speak, make one position clear? Ordinarily, Members of the Committee are not given preference to speak. They can be allowed to speak by way of a reply, if it is called for, to certain points raised in the debate. But since the matter is of great importance and since an amendment was intended to be moved by one of the distinguished Members of the Enquiry Committee, I have allowed.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But there are some observations relating to the Chair &#8212; not derogatory, I am not saying derogatory observations, I have not said that. You have not shown any disrespect to the Chair \u2013 I would say that the factual position is that you yourself have been kind enough to admit that whatever announcement I made was in full concurrence of the leaders who were present in the meeting. In the House also, when the time was fixed, no one raised any question at that time. Nobody from the Committee came to me, the Chairman never asked me for extension of time. I had no occasion to look into that question. Therefore, whatever I have done, I have done with the full knowledge of the entire House. Therefore, it is entirely for the hon. Members to decide about it. I have not said that you should this, or we should do that. A Motion has been moved and it is my duty to allow a discussion. But since Shri Malhotra, a very senior and respected Member, has raised the issue of procedure followed by the Committee, if the Chairman of the Committee or any other Member of the Committee wants to participate in the debate, I can allow him to take part in it.\n<\/p>\n<p>SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA\u00a0 Sir, it is indeed a painful day for us to discuss a Motion for expulsion of ten Members of Parliament.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I rise to support the Motion moved by the Leader of the House. I was surprised to listen to the speech of Shri Malhotra. I am, rather this House, is grateful to you for your having called a meeting of the leaders of this House. You immediately took a decision, in consultation with all the leaders of this House, to constitute a Committee.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: There will be no luncheon recess today[snb23]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BASU%20DEB%20ACHARIA%20\">SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: All those who attended the meeting agreed to it. At that point of time, none of us raised the issue that a Committee of this House would not be competent to inquire into what had happened on 12th of December, a shameful day not only for this House but also for the entire nation. Also, none of us raised that the Committee would not be competent to inquire and recommend to the House the sort of action that should be taken against those Members of this House who were shown in one channel of the television taking bribes for raising questions in the House; and that this matter should be referred to the Privileges Committee. But Prof. Malhotra has submitted a Dissenting Note. He has not questioned the merit of this Report, neither has he disagreed with the recommendation made by the Committee. What he wanted was that this matter should be referred to the Privileges Committee arguing that only the Privileges Committee is competent enough to inquire into the matter and recommend to the House in regard to the quantum of punishment. This matter was not raised either in the meeting which you called or when this matter was raised here. You gave the opportunity to all of us to participate in the debate. But I have not heard from any hon. Member raising objection to the formation of a Committee. The Committee was authorised by this House to finalise the\u00a0procedure. If today we raise the question in regard to procedural matters,\u00a0 it is not a procedural question nor a legal question but rather it is a moral question.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What do the people expect from us? A number of times, you reminded us that the entire nation is watching us. We represent the people, the poor people, the middle-class people, the workers and the peasants. Our sole responsibility is to raise the problems of those sections of the people whom we represent.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Hon. Members, you may have some important discussions. I would earnestly appeal to you to do it outside if you have to discuss anything.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BASU%20DEB%20ACHARIA%20\">SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: Sir, a numb nation watched with shock and disbelief that the elected representatives were receiving money for raising questions in Parliament.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Shri Rewati Raman Singh, I would earnestly appeal to you not to discuss anything here now.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BASU%20DEB%20ACHARIA%20\">SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, I fully agree with the Leader of the House that asking question is the special privilege enjoyed by the Members of this House[R24]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>We ask the questions in regard to the problems being faced by the various sections of the people.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 In the last bench!\u00a0 It is very, very unfortunate that you do not bother about what the Speaker says.\u00a0 Is it adding to our dignity?\u00a0 Such an important matter is being discussed.\u00a0 Can you not go out and talk?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BASU%20DEB%20ACHARIA%20\">SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>:\u00a0 We ask questions in regard to the problems being faced by the nation and the Members are purchased to ask the questions.\u00a0 \u0939\u092e \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u0915\u093e \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u0928\u0927\u093f\u0924\u094d\u0935 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20AJAY%20MAKEN%20\">SHRI AJAY MAKEN <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=NEW%20DELHI\">NEW DELHI<\/a>):\u00a0 Sir, the noise is coming from the lobby.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 It is a matter of great anguish.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B5%20%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u0938\u0941\u0926\u0947\u0935 \u0906\u091a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f <\/a>: \u0909\u0928\u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0935\u093e\u0932\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0939\u092e \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0909\u0920\u093e\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u0935\u093e\u0932 \u092a\u0942\u091b\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0916\u0930\u0940\u0926\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f, \u0924\u094b \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u0907\u092e\u0947\u091c \u0914\u0930 \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u0915\u0940 \u0907\u092e\u0947\u091c \u0915\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u0940, \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u094b\u091a\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0906\u091c \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0935\u093e\u0932 \u0909\u0920\u093e\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 One of my officers will please go and request the hon. Members in the lobby.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B5%20%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u0938\u0941\u0926\u0947\u0935 \u0906\u091a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f <\/a>: \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0930\u0916\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e, \u091c\u093f\u0938\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u093f \u0935\u0947 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u094b \u0921\u093f\u092b\u0947\u0902\u0921 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0947\u0902\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0939\u092e \u0906\u092d\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u091a\u0947\u092f\u0930\u092e\u0948\u0928 \u0914\u0930 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e\u092b\u0940 \u092e\u0947\u0939\u0928\u0924 \u0938\u0947 \u092f\u0939 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u092c\u0928\u093e\u0908 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0909\u0928 \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0930\u0916\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0915\u093e\u092b\u0940 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u0915\u0930\u0940\u092c \u0906\u0927\u0947-\u0906\u0927\u0947 \u0918\u0902\u091f\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0906\u092a \u0926\u0947\u0916\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0924\u094b \u0906\u092a \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902\u0964 \u092b\u093f\u0930 \u092d\u0940 \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0935\u093e\u0932 \u0909\u0920\u093e\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e\u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u092d\u0940 \u0938\u0935\u093e\u0932 \u0909\u0920\u093e\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0915\u093f \u092e\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0917\u0932 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092a\u093e\u0902\u091a \u092e\u0939\u0940\u0928\u0947 \u0932\u0917\u0947 \u0925\u0947\u0964 We cannot compare what happened on 12th of December with what happened in 1951.\u00a0 Sir, the entire nation has seen the Members of this House are receiving money.\u00a0 \u0938\u092e\u0942\u091a\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e, \u092a\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e, \u092a\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0930\u0916\u093e \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u092c\u093e\u0924\u091a\u0940\u0924 \u0939\u094b \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u092e \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u0905\u0938\u094d\u0935\u0940\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u092e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092e\u093e\u0928 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0939 \u0917\u0932\u0924 \u0939\u0948 \u092f\u093e \u0905\u0938\u0924\u094d\u092f \u0939\u0948? \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0947 \u0926\u093f\u0928 \u091c\u094b \u0930\u093f\u090f\u0915\u094d\u0936\u0928 \u0925\u093e, \u0935\u0939 \u092d\u0940 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0924\u0941\u0930\u0902\u0924 \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0930\u0935\u093e\u0908 \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0906\u091c \u0909\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092a\u0930\u093f\u0935\u0930\u094d\u0924\u0928 \u0939\u094b \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> \u0926\u0942\u0938\u0930\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u090f\u0915 \u0918\u0902\u091f\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0905\u0902\u0926\u0930 \u0935\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0915\u094b \u0938\u0938\u094d\u092a\u0947\u0902\u0921 \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e\u0964 \u0935\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092a\u0930 \u092c\u093f\u0928\u093e \u092c\u0939\u0938 \u0915\u0947 \u0906\u091c \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0935 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u093f\u0924 \u0939\u094b \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 Without any debate and discussion.\u00a0 \u0939\u092e \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092c\u0939\u0938 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0926\u093f\u0928 \u092d\u0930 \u092f\u0939 \u092c\u0939\u0938 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0935\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092c\u093f\u0928\u093e \u092c\u0939\u0938 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0930\u094d\u0935\u0938\u092e\u094d\u092e\u0924\u093f \u0938\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0935 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u093f\u0924 \u0939\u094b \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0921\u092c\u0932 \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u0902\u0921\u0930\u094d\u0921 \u0939\u0948 \u0907\u0938\u0940 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0939\u092e \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947 \u091c\u092c \u0924\u0939\u0932\u0915\u093e \u0915\u093e \u092e\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0926\u093e \u0909\u0920\u093e\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e, \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0930\u0935\u093e\u0908 \u0939\u0941\u0908, \u0938\u092c\u0915\u094b \u092a\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0935\u0947 \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u0924\u0940\u0928 \u0938\u093e\u0932 \u0938\u0924\u094d\u0924\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0930\u0939\u0947\u0964 \u0906\u0930\u094d\u092e\u0940 \u0911\u092b\u093f\u0938\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0916\u093f\u0932\u093e\u092b \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0930\u0935\u093e\u0908 \u0939\u094b \u0917\u0908, \u0915\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902\u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u0915\u093e \u092d\u0940 \u091c\u093f\u0915\u094d\u0930 \u091f\u0947\u092a \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u090f\u0915 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f\u0915 \u0926\u0932, \u091c\u094b \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u094b \u0905\u0932\u0917 \u0938\u092e\u091d\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948[R25]\u00a0\u0964 \u090f\u0915 \u0932\u093e\u0916 \u0930\u0941\u092a\u092f\u0947 \u0932\u0947\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u0909\u0928\u0915\u0947 \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u0915\u093e \u091a\u0947\u0939\u0930\u093e \u092a\u0942\u0930\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B5%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%A8%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B9%20%E2%80%98%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%A8%E2%80%99%C2%A0%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0940\u0935 \u0930\u0902\u091c\u0928 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u2018\u0932\u0932\u0928\u2019\u00a0 <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF\">\u092c\u0947\u0917\u0942\u0938\u0930\u093e\u092f<\/a>) : \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u091c\u0940, \u0907\u0938 \u092a\u0930 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f, \u092f\u0939 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0938\u0940\u0930\u093f\u092f\u0938 \u0907\u0936\u094d\u092f\u0942 \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I would request the hon. Member to avoid it.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I am saying that I am requesting him not to get into a political debate.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Acharia, please come to the facts of the matter.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B5%20%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u0938\u0941\u0926\u0947\u0935 \u0906\u091a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f <\/a>: \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0906\u0928\u0947 \u092a\u0930 \u0924\u0941\u0930\u0902\u0924 \u090f\u0915\u094d\u0936\u0928 \u0932\u0947\u0928\u093e \u092a\u095c\u0947\u0917\u093e\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\u00a0 \u0915\u092e\u0940\u0936\u0928 \u0911\u092b \u0907\u0902\u0915\u094d\u0935\u093e\u092f\u0930\u0940 \u0917\u0920\u093f\u0924 \u0939\u094b \u0917\u092f\u0940\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928) \u0906\u091c \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u0947\u0928\u093e \u092a\u095c\u0947\u0917\u093e, \u096b-\u096c \u092e\u0939\u0940\u0928\u0947 \u0932\u0917\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I have made a request to him already.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Nothing will be recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I appeal to all sections of the House to cooperate with the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B5%20%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u0938\u0941\u0926\u0947\u0935 \u0906\u091a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f <\/a>: \u0915\u0939 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0938\u093e\u0922\u093c\u0947 \u0924\u0940\u0928 \u0938\u093e\u0932 \u0932\u0917\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964 \u0924\u092c \u0924\u0915 \u0924\u094b \u0967\u096a\u0935\u0940\u0902 \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u092f \u091a\u0932\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u093e, \u0924\u092c \u091c\u093e\u0915\u0930 \u090f\u0915\u094d\u0936\u0928 \u0932\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u092e\u0902\u0936\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0906\u092a \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0939\u092e \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u0915\u094b \u0921\u093f\u0935\u093e\u0907\u0921 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902? We all should rise above party lines. The day when it came out, the entire House reacted uniformly. Why is there a change today? \u0907\u0928 \u0926\u0938 \u0926\u093f\u0928\u094b\u0902 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u094b \u0917\u092f\u093e, \u0915\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0939\u094d\u0943\u0926\u092f \u092a\u0930\u093f\u0935\u0930\u094d\u0924\u093f\u0924 \u0939\u094b \u0917\u092f\u093e\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u0924\u094b \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u094b \u092c\u0927\u093e\u0908 \u0926\u0947\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f \u0925\u0940 \u091c\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0907\u0924\u0928\u0940 \u091c\u0932\u094d\u0926\u0940 \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0914\u0930 \u0938\u093f\u092b\u093e\u0930\u093f\u0936 \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u0940\u0964 \u092f\u0939 \u0930\u093f\u0915\u094d\u092e\u0947\u0902\u0921\u0947\u0936\u0928 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u093f\u0924 \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 We do not want to divide this House. We all should rise above party lines. It is not a question of this party or that party. It is the question of the dignity of the entire House, the prestige of this House which means the prestige of the nation.\u00a0 \u0915\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u092f\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947 \u0939\u092e \u0932\u094b\u0917 Maybe six of this scam belong to a particular party. \u0909\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948? There were a large number of MPs who were also approached, but they did not fall prey to the sting operation. We should congratulate them. But why did these 10 involve themselves in this? Can they deny that they were not involved?\n<\/p>\n<p>_________________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>*Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BASU%20DEB%20ACHARIA%20\">SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: Sir, in order to cleanse our system, I would like to make two suggestions. I have seen your statement which you made at Hyderabad about the right to recall. The right to recall elected representatives should be given to our constituents, to the people of our country. The electorate which elects a person to Parliament must have the right to recall that person. The people of our country do not have that right now. In many other countries, the people have the right to recall their representatives if they find that those representatives are doing some immoral work. If elected representatives are not discharging their responsibilities and duties properly, then the people must have the right to recall them[k26]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My second suggestion is that time has come that serious consideration must be given to the immunity provided to the Members of Parliament.\u00a0 The immunity and the consequent privileges given to the elected Members cannot be allowed to act as a tacit licence for corruption and graft.\u00a0 We should seriously consider this.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The worst fall out of this expose is the further strengthening of the growing cynicism.\u00a0 You have repeatedly stated that there is a growing cynicism among the people on the political process.\u00a0 This is dangerous and needs to be collectively combated and reversed.\u00a0The time has come to seriously consider all these 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SPEAKER<\/a>: I have never suggested a particular type of punishment.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092e\u094b\u0939\u0928 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 : \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0947\u0930\u0940 \u090f\u0915 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0914\u0930 \u0930\u0939 \u0917\u0908 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u091a\u0942\u0902\u0915\u093f \u2018\u0938\u094d\u093f\u0902\u091f\u0917 \u0911\u092a\u0930\u0947\u0936\u0928\u2019 \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u092c\u093e\u0924\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u0939\u0940 \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0906\u091c \u0915\u0947 \u0939\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u091f\u093e\u0907\u092e\u094d\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u0917\u093e\u0930\u093f\u0915\u093e \u0918\u094b\u0937 \u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0930 \u0932\u0947\u0916 \u0932\u093f\u0916\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u091c\u093f\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 :\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSting operators are generally canny businessmen on the look out to fix someone in order to sell their product to the highest bidder in the media market.\u00a0 As media becomes a big business, naturally, there will emerge ancillary industries to serve this mega business, and sting operation is one such ancillary industry.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0907\u0938 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u094b \u092d\u0940 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0927\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0930\u0916\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0936\u092c\u094d\u0926\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0927\u0928\u094d\u092f\u0935\u093e\u0926 \u0926\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0938\u092e\u093e\u092a\u094d\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I never suggested any form of punishment or any punishment at all.\u00a0I left it to the House.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Shri Devendra Prasad Yadav.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0926\u0947\u0935\u0947\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0926 \u092f\u093e\u0926\u0935 \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u093e \u091c\u094b \u092e\u094b\u0936\u0928 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0932\u093e\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0907\u0938 \u092a\u0930 \u0935\u093f\u091a\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0915\u094d\u0937\u0923 \u0926\u0941\u0916\u0926 \u0924\u094b \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0939\u0940, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0915\u0920\u093f\u0928 \u092d\u0940 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SPEAKER<\/a>: I have nothing to do with it.. The hon. Members of the Committee have decided that.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A0%E0%A4%95%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u094d\u0930\u091c\u0947\u0936 \u092a\u093e\u0920\u0915 <\/a>: \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u0924\u0925\u094d\u092f \u0914\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u094d\u0924\u0941\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u091d\u093e\u0930\u0916\u0902\u0921 \u092e\u0941\u0915\u094d\u0924\u093f \u092e\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091a\u093e \u0915\u093e \u0907\u0938\u0940 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0918\u0942\u0938\u0915\u093e\u0902\u0921 \u0939\u0941\u0906 \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u0936\u0948\u0932\u0947\u0928\u094d\u0926\u094d\u0930 \u092e\u0948\u0939\u0924\u094b \u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0938\u094d\u0935\u0940\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0932-\u092c\u0926\u0932 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u096a\u0966 \u0932\u093e\u0916 \u0930\u0941\u092a\u090f \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0925\u0947\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u092e \u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0918\u0942\u0938\u0916\u094b\u0930\u0940 \u0939\u0941\u0908 \u0925\u0940, \u0932\u0947\u0928\u0926\u0947\u0928 \u0915\u093e \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0915\u0930\u0923 \u0939\u0941\u0906 \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u0924\u092c \u092d\u0940 \u092f\u0939\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924\u0947\u0902 \u0925\u0940\u0902, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0924\u092c \u091c\u0932\u094d\u0926\u0940 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0925\u0940, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0905\u092c \u0907\u0924\u0928\u0940 \u091c\u0932\u094d\u0926\u0940 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948 ? \u0939\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0924\u094b \u0907\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f\u0915 \u0917\u0902\u0927 \u0906 \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948 ?\u00a0 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Please do not impute motives to the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: You are doing that, I am sorry. I have left it to the House. I have not said anything.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A0%E0%A4%95%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u094d\u0930\u091c\u0947\u0936 \u092a\u093e\u0920\u0915 <\/a>: \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u094d\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0938\u094d\u092a\u0937\u094d\u091f \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u092c\u0924\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0939\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u093e \u0907\u0924\u093f\u0939\u093e\u0938 \u0917\u0935\u093e\u0939 \u0939\u0948, \u0910\u0938\u0940 \u091c\u0932\u094d\u0926\u0940 \u0915\u092d\u0940 \u092d\u0940 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u0917\u0908\u0964 \u092c\u093f\u0928\u093e \u092c\u091a\u093e\u0935 \u0915\u093e \u092c\u093f\u0928\u093e \u092a\u0930\u094d\u092f\u093e\u092a\u094d\u0924 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u093f\u090f, \u0915\u092d\u0940 \u0910\u0938\u0940 \u0938\u091c\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940 \u0926\u0940 \u0917\u0908\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: He is trying to say that. I have not done it. I have nothing to do in this.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Nobody has said that.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Please conclude. Your time is long over.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A0%E0%A4%95%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u094d\u0930\u091c\u0947\u0936 \u092a\u093e\u0920\u0915 <\/a>: \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092f\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0924\u0947\u0902 \u0917\u0935\u093e\u0939 \u092c\u0928\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0940 \u0914\u0930 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u093e \u0928\u094c\u091c\u0935\u093e\u0928, \u0939\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u093e \u0926\u0932\u093f\u0924, \u0939\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u093e \u0915\u093f\u0938\u093e\u0928, \u0939\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u092c\u0938\u0947 \u092c\u095c\u0940 \u0932\u094b\u0915\u0924\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u0940 \u092a\u0902\u091a\u093e\u092f\u0924 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906\u0928\u0947 \u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0924\u0930\u093e\u090f\u0917\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 ? \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u0907\u0938 \u092a\u0930 \u092e\u091c\u092c\u0942\u0924\u0940 \u0938\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u091a\u093e\u0930-\u0935\u093f\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0936 \u0915\u0930 \u0932\u0947\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0938\u0947 \u0905\u0928\u094d\u0924 \u092e\u0947\u0902, \u0905\u092a\u0940\u0932 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0947 \u0907\u0927\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0939\u094b\u0902, \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0947 \u090a\u0927\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0939\u094b\u0902, \u0938\u092c\u0915\u0940 \u0905\u0902\u0924\u0930-\u0906\u0924\u094d\u092e\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0906\u0935\u093e\u091c \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0907\u0938 \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u0947 \u0915\u094b \u0935\u093f\u0936\u0947\u0937\u093e\u0927\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u092e\u0924\u093f \u0915\u094b \u0938\u094c\u0902\u092a \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0935\u0939 \u0938\u092e\u0924\u093f \u091c\u094b \u092d\u0940 \u0928\u093f\u0930\u094d\u0923\u092f \u0932\u0947, \u0939\u092e \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u092b\u093f\u0930 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0947 \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u0941\u091b \u092d\u0940 \u0938\u091c\u093e \u0926\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u090f, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0907\u0938 \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u0947 \u0915\u094b \u0935\u093f\u0936\u0947\u0937\u093e\u0927\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u092e\u0924\u093f \u0915\u094b \u0938\u094c\u0902\u092a\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092c\u093e\u0924\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0938\u092e\u093e\u092a\u094d\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e, \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093f \u0906\u092d\u093e\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0915\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AND MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI KAPIL SIBAL): Mr. Speaker, Sir I rise to speak in support of the Motion.\u00a0 I think we must first appreciate the true constitutional position which is that this House, in respect of its powers of expulsion is the sole repository and no other institution has the jurisdiction to intercede in a proceeding in which a majority of the hon. Members of this House decide one way or the other as to whether a particular Member\u2019s conduct is unbecoming or not and in respect of which this House decides on a particular course of action.\u00a0\u00a0 If you look at the source of parliamentary power, Parliament was the repository not just of judicial power but of executive and legislative power.\u00a0\u00a0Parliament was the repository of all three powers and that has been the history of parliamentary democracy.\u00a0\u00a0But as the executive became more accountable, the legislature in its wisdom decided to part with some of those powers and vested those powers in another institution.\u00a0\u00a0 That gave birth to the judiciary.\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>The power to deal with the Members of the House is with the House, but we can part with that power and repose it in another institution which we over the years have done.\u00a0\u00a0 We know that in the early years of constitutional democracy, the power to decide whether a person had committed a corrupt practice or not, and whether he should be disqualified or not was with the House.\u00a0\u00a0 It was not with a court of law.\u00a0\u00a0 But then we enacted a law, parted with that power and vested such judicial power to an institution outside the House.\u00a0\u00a0 So, let it be clear that in constitutional terms we are the sole repository, the sole deciding authority to deal with the conduct of Members of the House.\u00a0\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>In other words, we are the authority to decide whether the conduct of a particular person is unbecoming of the dignity and high moral standards expected to be maintained by members in conducting themselves, being the Members of this august House.\n<\/p>\n<p>To decide that we are the sole repository.\u00a0 So, let this be very clear.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The issue is not of punishing anybody.\u00a0\u00a0 This is not a court of law that we are rendering a conviction.\u00a0 We have no authority to render a conviction.\u00a0\u00a0We are only deciding whether a Member who, we believe, has acted in a particular manner, whether that particular conduct is becoming of a Member consistent with the dignity of this House, and if we believe that evidence prima facie, we are entitled to take a decision to expel such a Member and that Member is entitled to go to a court of law to vindicate his rights.\u00a0\u00a0 Therefore, the position that a lot of us are taking: \u201clook this is a matter which ought to be decided outside, we ought to give the individual Member a right to defend himself and afford him the entire the panoply of rights of natural justice which courts of law bestow\u201d, those are not relevant considerations in respect of our decision as to whether a particular\u00a0 Member of this House has conducted himself in a manner that is becoming of his membership.\u00a0\u00a0 That is the limited issue that we face. \u00a0\u00a0I can give you umpteen number of examples of Members who may be while sitting in this House do certain things in front of the hon. Speaker which may provoke the House to immediately rise and say that `this man is not entitled to be a Member of this House\u2019 and expel him there without any further hearing[R33]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Because the dignity of the House is at stake. The collective will of the House expresses itself in a particular manner. It is not a question as to whether a particular person belongs to one community or another. If any Member belonging to any community is charged with this kind of conduct and we have evidence of the kind that we have in this case to show for it, I am sure that Members of this House will take the same action against that person.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Having placed before you the true constitutional position, the next thing I wish to say is that in all these matters there are competing public interests involved. In every situation of this nature that a nation is confronted with, there are competing public interests. My good friend Mr. Vijay Kumar Malhotra has talked of one public interest namely that a person should be entitled to the full panoply of rights, of natural justice before any decision qua his membership can be taken. I think that is laudable. There is nothing wrong with that. I think in a given case such a course of action should be followed.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There is also the other competing interest. What is that other competing interest? That other competing interest is, Mr. Malhotraji, what you and I saw on celluloid in a particular news channel. If you can look into your heart and say to yourself, and I am sure there are some Members of your Party involved in this who must have told you the truth, that what you saw is not what is, then you are right. But I leave it to your conscience. My conscience does not believe that what I saw is not what the reality was.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Speaker, Sir, that is the test that we must all apply when we decide. This is not a partisan affair in which we take political position. This is a matter of the individual conscience of each Member who constitutes this House. Can he ask himself this question that \u2018what I saw, I as a Member will not condone, will not allow another Member of this House to do\u2019, if that conscience of yours answers you in the manner in which it should, then I do not think there should be any debate in this House.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What are the two competing public interests here? The first competing public interest is that of the individual Member who comes and says \u2013 \u2018Look, you have shown me this tape\u2019. He knows what the reality is. He says \u2013 \u2018You have shown me this tape. I want more time\u2019. Now, if that individual knows what the reality is, he should be able to place before the Committee what his defence is. He should be able to say \u2013 \u2018I was not there. This is not my face. This is some other person. This is not my voice\u2019.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do not compare it to the Mudgal situation. Please do not compare it to the 1951 situation. There were no technologies available in 1951 as they are today. \u2026 (Interruptions) One second, please do not interrupt me. You did not have any cameras them.\n<\/p>\n<p> 13.58 hrs\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Shri Devendra Prasad Yadav in the Chair).\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20HARIN%20PATHAK%20\">SHRI HARIN PATHAK <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=AHMEDABAD\">AHMEDABAD<\/a>): You have to see the vice versa of technology. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL%20\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL <\/a>: You did not have any video cameras. You did not have any audio of this type. You did not have any of that. Therefore, do not apply that principle. If somebody heard something in 1951 and somebody said \u2018I never did it\u2019 he should have been given a chance. But here what is the reality? It is instant television; it is instant evidence. It is sequential. We have complete faith in our Committee which actually saw the entire sequence of the unedited tapes, including Mr. Malhtora.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A0%E0%A4%95%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0939\u0930\u093f\u0928 \u092a\u093e\u0920\u0915 <\/a>: \u0917\u094b\u0935\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u093e \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u094b \u0928\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0932\u093f\u092f\u0947, \u0917\u094b\u0935\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u093e \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0916\u093f\u0932\u093e\u092b \u0906\u091c \u090f\u092b.\u0906\u0908.\u0906\u0930. \u0926\u0930\u094d\u091c \u0939\u0941\u0908 \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: I did not say that. Sir, what he is saying is not correct. Please allow me. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL%20\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL <\/a>: I heard you. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=THE%20MINISTER%20OF%20FINANCE%20\">THE MINISTER OF FINANCE <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20P.%20CHIDAMBARAM\">SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM<\/a>): The Committee gave its report. You cannot add to the report. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ANANTH%20KUMAR%20\">SHRI ANANTH KUMAR <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=BANGALORE%20SOUTH\">BANGALORE SOUTH<\/a>): You should allow him to speak. You have mentioned his name. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f \u00a0\u0935\u0930\u094d\u092e\u093e \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0928 \u0917\u094d\u0930\u0939\u0923 \u0915\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u0924\u093f\u0932\u093e\u0932 \u0915\u093e\u0932\u0940\u0926\u093e\u0938 \u0935\u0930\u094d\u092e\u093e \u092a\u0942\u0930\u0947 \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0916\u095c\u0947 \u0930\u0939\u0915\u0930 \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0909\u0938 \u091c\u091c \u0915\u094b \u092c\u091a\u093e\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0938\u094d\u092a\u0940\u091a \u0926\u0940 \u0925\u0940* \u2026   <\/p>\n<p>__________________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>*Expunged as ordered by the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p> 14.00 hrs.  <\/p>\n<p>SHRI KAPIL SIBAL Obviously, the hon. Member never heard the first sentence that I said in that case. May I repeat it for your information? When I started that proceedings, I said &#8220;If you think that I stand here today on behalf of a judge who is corrupt, then I will not like to plead his case.&#8221; That was the first sentence. I till date believe that he was not corrupt. \u2026 (Interruptions) That is not an issue. That is why, I say \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20HARIN%20PATHAK%20\">SHRI HARIN PATHAK <\/a>: We want Mr. Kapil Sibal to give to the Members who really \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u0939\u0930\u093f\u0928 \u092a\u093e\u0920\u0915 \u091c\u0940 \u0906\u092a \u090f\u0915 \u0938\u092e\u094d\u092e\u093e\u0928\u093f\u0924 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0906\u092a \u092c\u0948\u0920 \u091c\u093e\u0907\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Nothing will go on record.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please take your seats.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092e\u094b\u0939\u0928 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0906\u092a \u092f\u0939 \u0930\u093e\u092f \u0926\u0947 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0935\u0947 \u0915\u0930\u092a\u094d\u091f \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B2%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0915\u092a\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u093f\u092c\u094d\u092c\u0932 <\/a>: \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0930\u093e\u092f \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0926\u0947 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0924\u094b \u0935\u0939\u0940 \u0915\u0939 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902, \u091c\u094b \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u0906\u0902\u0916\u094b\u0902 \u0938\u0947 \u091f\u0940\u0935\u0940 \u092a\u0930 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e \u0914\u0930 \u091c\u093f\u0938 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u092f\u0939 \u0924\u092f \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0935\u0939 \u0938\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0939\u092e \u0909\u0938 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0926\u094b \u0930\u093e\u092f \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948, \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092a\u093e\u0938 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0914\u0930 \u0924\u0930\u0940\u0915\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092f\u0939 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u0939\u092e \u0909\u0928 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0915\u0948\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0935\u0947 \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0930\u0939 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e \u0906\u092a \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u092a\u0930 \u092e\u0924 \u091c\u093e\u0907\u090f\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092e\u094b\u0939\u0928 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0906\u0921\u093f\u092f\u094b, \u0935\u093f\u0921\u0940\u092f\u094b \u091f\u0947\u092a \u0915\u094b \u0938\u0941\u092a\u094d\u0930\u0940\u092e \u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092f\u093e \u0939\u093e\u0908\u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0910\u0935\u093f\u0921\u0947\u0902\u0938 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0907\u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e\u0938 \u0906\u095b\u092e\u0940 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u090f\u0915 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u091c\u093e\u0928\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902, \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091f\u0947\u092a \u0915\u094b \u090f\u0935\u093f\u0921\u0947\u0902\u0938 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Uday Singh, please take your seat. Nothing will go on record.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p>* Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u092f\u0939 \u092e\u0947\u0902\u0936\u0928 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0938\u093e\u0930\u093e \u091f\u0947\u092a \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0938\u0939\u0940 \u092a\u093e\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0930\u093e \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0939 \u0917\u0932\u0924 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0938\u092d\u0940 \u092e\u0948\u092e\u094d\u092c\u0930 \u0915\u093e \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u091f\u0947\u092a \u0921\u0949\u0915\u094d\u091f\u0930\u094d\u0921 \u0939\u0948, \u092f\u0939 \u0917\u0932\u0924 \u0939\u0948, \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u0902\u091a \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B2%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0915\u092a\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u093f\u092c\u094d\u092c\u0932 <\/a>: \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0915\u0939\u093e, \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u092f\u0939 \u092d\u0940 \u0932\u093f\u0916\u093e \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u0939\u0940 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>:\u00a0 I said that Rules of Procedure must be followed. They should be given a chance to defend themselves. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Sir, let me read the Note of Dissent of Prof. Vijay Kumar Malhotra. He does not say in his Note of Dissent that he believes that the tapes are doctored. \u2026 (Interruptions) It does not say. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u092b\u093e\u0907\u0902\u0921\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0915\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0924\u092c \u0939\u094b\u0924\u0940, \u091c\u092c \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u0902\u091a \u0939\u094b\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u0902\u091a \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f, \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0964 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0921\u093f\u092b\u0947\u0928\u094d\u0921 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0964 Do not put words into my mouth. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20HARIN%20PATHAK%20\">SHRI HARIN PATHAK <\/a>: He cannot give findings. He has given a suggestion that this should be sent to the experts. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: Without proper procedure being adopted. \u2026 (Interruptions) What is the Procedure? They should have a right to cross-examine, argument, defence etc. \u2026 (Interruptions) \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0939 \u091f\u0947\u092a \u0921\u0949\u0915\u094d\u091f\u0930\u094d\u0921 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u0902\u091a \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f, \u0907\u0938\u0915\u093e \u092a\u0924\u093e \u0932\u0917\u093e\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0939\u092e \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u0939\u0940 \u0928 \u0926\u0947\u0902, \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u0902\u091a \u0939\u0940 \u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902\u0964 \u0906\u092a \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u0939 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0938\u092c \u0928\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u0928 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u091f\u0947\u092a \u0938\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: With you permission, Sir, may I speak now?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Yes.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Sir, as I said in the beginning, the question here is not that what is stated on the tape is evidence or not. That is not the question. The question here is that a Committee of this House was constituted. That Committee saw the tapes, both the edited and the unedited versions. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Tripathi, please take your seat. Nothing will go on record except the speech of Shri Kapil Sibal.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%B2%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0915\u092a\u093f\u0932 \u0938\u093f\u092c\u094d\u092c\u0932 <\/a>: \u0939\u093e\u0902, \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0906\u092a \u0938\u0935\u093e\u0932 \u0915\u093e \u091c\u0935\u093e\u092c \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0906\u092a \u0915\u0947\u0938 \u0915\u093e \u0928\u093e\u092e \u092d\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u0928\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0924\u094b \u0935\u0939 \u092d\u0940 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u092c\u0924\u093e \u0926\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please sit down. I am not allowing you. Nothing will go on record except the speech of Shri Kapil Sibal.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: I wish you were to say that outside this House.\u00a0 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0924\u094b \u0906\u092a \u0915\u0939 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0 \u0935\u0915\u0940\u0932\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0916\u093f\u0932\u093e\u092b \u0915\u0941\u091b \u092d\u0940 \u0915\u0939 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u092c\u091a\u093e\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u092a \u0915\u0941\u091b \u092d\u0940 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\u00a0 \u092f\u0939 \u092d\u0940 \u0939\u092e \u091c\u093e\u0928\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0938\u091a \u0915\u094b \u0906\u092a \u0917\u0932\u0924 \u0915\u0939\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u091c\u094b \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u0906\u0902\u0916\u094b\u0902 \u0938\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e, \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0906\u092a \u0917\u0932\u0924 \u0915\u0939\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947, \u092f\u0939 \u092d\u0940 \u0939\u092e \u091c\u093e\u0928\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Shri Sibal, please address the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Nothing will go on record except the speech of Shri Sibal.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please address the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Please ask them to sit down. \u2026 (Interruptions) Please protect me. Otherwise, I cannot continue my speech. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0930\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0921 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u092a \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u092d\u093e\u0937\u0923 \u091c\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u0916\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p>_______________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>*Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Sir, an hon. Member of this House referred to Article 21 of the Constitution and said that there is a right under Article 21 to life and liberty and therefore, the decision to pass\u00a0 this Motion will impact on that right. In fact, there is no question of either life or liberty involved here. Article 21 has, no application in this case. What is in issue is whether a Member of Parliament, who is a Member of this House, has conducted himself in a manner which is unbecoming.\u00a0 The fact that he is removed from the membership of this House has nothing to do with life and liberty. In fact, he is entitled, if he so wishes, to go to a court of law to challenge it and vindicate his rights. At the moment what the House is deciding is that prima facie we believe and accept the findings of the Committee that what we saw on television represents the truth and we do not want such a person to be a Member of this House. What is wrong with that decision? You do not need a whole trial. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Iliyas Azmi, please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u0907\u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e\u091c \u0906\u091c\u092e\u0940 \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0930\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0921 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u092a \u092c\u0948\u0920 \u091c\u093e\u0907\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: This is not a judicial proceeding. We are not deciding here on the merits of the case; we are only deciding a very limited issue. Do you want the people of this country not to believe what they saw on tape, and to accept the views of a section of this House and a couple of political parties who are saying that we will not accept what we saw? Do you want the country to believe that? \u2026 (Interruptions) Please understand what you are doing. You are belying the hopes of all those who established parliamentary democracy in this country. You are belying the hopes of all those who have trusted you. If you vote in a particular way today, it will be recorded in the history that you are for corruption. \u2026 (Interruptions) that you are for such conduct. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>__________________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>*Not recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: Sir, this is highly objectionable. \u2026 (Interruptions) You are for corruption. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: That is my opinion. \u2026 (Interruptions) When you vote, we will see. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0\u00a0 \u091c\u092c \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947 \u0924\u092c \u0906\u092a \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0930\u0916\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: You are for corruption. Otherwise you would not take such a stand. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: You are for corruption. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0905\u0928\u0902\u0924 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u0924\u094b \u092a\u0941\u0930\u093e\u0928\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0940 \u0910\u0938\u0947 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948 \u091c\u0948\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0906\u092a \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0928 \u0917\u094d\u0930\u0939\u0923 \u0915\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You all take your seats.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please take your seats.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: You are for it. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ANANTH%20KUMAR%20\">SHRI ANANTH KUMAR <\/a>: He cannot impute motives to our voting rights. \u2026 (Interruptions) It is our right to vote. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: As a political party, you stand for corruption. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0\u00a0 \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0905\u0928\u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e\u092e\u0948\u0902\u091f \u0936\u092c\u094d\u0926 \u0939\u0948 \u0924\u094b \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u092f\u0947\u0917\u093e\u0964 \u0906\u092a \u092c\u0948\u0920 \u091c\u093e\u0907\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0905\u0938\u0902\u0917\u0924 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940 \u0924\u094b \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u092f\u0947\u0917\u093e\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u0928 \u0926\u0947 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u092a \u092c\u0948\u0920 \u091c\u093e\u0907\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ANANTH%20KUMAR%20\">SHRI ANANTH KUMAR <\/a>: He cannot impute motives to our voting rights. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please take your seats.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A4%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0905\u0928\u0902\u0924 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 <\/a>: \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u0936\u092c\u094d\u0926 \u0935\u093e\u092a\u0938 \u0932\u0947\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u092c\u093e\u0924   <\/p>\n<p>\u0939\u0948 ? \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u0928 \u0926\u0947 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ANANTH%20KUMAR%20\">SHRI ANANTH KUMAR <\/a>: Sir, we will not allow. \u2026 (Interruptions) It is our right to vote. We are also Members of this House. \u2026 (Interruptions[reporter34]\u00a0) They are also hon. Members, and it is their right to vote. \u2026 (Interruptions) Who is he to refute it? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: It is my opinion.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u00a0\u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0905\u0938\u0902\u0917\u0924 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940 \u0924\u094b \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u093e\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u0928 \u0926\u0947 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0905\u0938\u0902\u0917\u0924 \u0936\u092c\u094d\u0926 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u093e \u0924\u094b \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u093e\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u0910\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0948\u0938\u0947 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u093e ? \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0924\u0930\u0940\u0915\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092a\u0930 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0915 \u091c\u094b \u0910\u0938\u093e \u0935\u094b\u091f \u0926\u0947\u0917\u093e, \u0935\u0939 \u0917\u0932\u0924 \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0917\u093e ?\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ANANTH%20KUMAR%20\">SHRI ANANTH KUMAR <\/a>: Are you the only angel here? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u0906\u0938\u0928 \u0915\u094b \u0924\u094b \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0902\u0964 \u0939\u092e \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u0928 \u0926\u0947 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0906\u092a \u0915\u0943\u092a\u092f\u093e \u092c\u0948\u0920 \u091c\u093e\u0907\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: Sir, he is not only speaking politics, but he is speaking \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e \u091c\u0940, \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u092c\u093f\u0920\u093e\u0907\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ANANTH%20KUMAR%20\">SHRI ANANTH KUMAR <\/a>: Sir, he cannot refute our voting rights. Therefore, he should withdraw it. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u091c\u094b \u0915\u0941\u091b \u092d\u0940 \u0905\u0938\u0902\u0917\u0924 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940, \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937, \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%95%20%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0905\u0936\u094b\u0915 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0927\u093e\u0928 <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%96%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BE\">\u0916\u0941\u0930\u094d\u091c\u093e<\/a>) : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u091c\u0940, \u0907\u0938\u0938\u0947 \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092a\u0926\u093e\u0927\u093f\u0915\u093e\u0930\u094b\u0902 \u092a\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0936\u094d\u0928-\u091a\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0939 \u0932\u0917 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964&#8230;\n<\/p>\n<p>( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u0928 \u0926\u0947 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0926\u093f \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0905\u0938\u0902\u0917\u0924 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940 \u0924\u094b \u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0938\u0940\u0921\u093f\u0902\u0917\u094d\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u0940\u0964 \u0905\u0928\u0902\u0924 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u0938\u0941\u0928\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0906\u092a \u091a\u0947\u092f\u0930 \u0915\u094b \u0915\u092e\u094d\u092a\u0947\u0932 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u092f\u0926\u093f \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0905\u0938\u0902\u0917\u0924 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940 \u0924\u094b \u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0938\u0940\u0921\u093f\u0902\u0917\u094d\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u0940\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u0928 \u0926\u0947 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0938\u093f\u092c\u094d\u092c\u0932 \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u0916\u093f\u090f\u0964 Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20GURUDAS%20DASGUPTA%20\">SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PANSKURA\">PANSKURA<\/a>): Sir, can I make a submission? Let the House maintain a standard of dignity during this discussion. Let the House maintain \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%20%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0917\u0941\u0930\u0941\u0926\u093e\u0938 \u0926\u093e\u0938\u0917\u0941\u092a\u094d\u0924 <\/a>: \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0917\u0941\u0930\u0941\u0926\u093e\u0938 \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u093f\u090f\u0917\u093e\u0964 Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20GURUDAS%20DASGUPTA%20\">SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA <\/a>: Sir, I am only requesting you to ensure that the hon. Members in the House maintain the standard of dignity during this discussion. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: I entirely agree with you. \u2026 (Interruptions) Sir, what is really sad today is that there is an impression going around in our country that the political class as a whole is not living up to the standards, which were envisaged by our forefathers. Nobody can deny this fact. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20UDAY%20SINGH%20\">SHRI UDAY SINGH <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PURNEA\">PURNEA<\/a>): Is it the standard for TV reporters to come into our houses to carry out sting operations? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: How will I answer if you do not let me speak? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please, no cross-talks in the House.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions[ak35]\u00a0)  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: At large, this is the impression of the people of this country.\u00a0We have witnessed scandal after scandal. This case has come to light, but I\u00a0 personally believe &#8212; it is my personal opinion and it may not be shared &#8212; that 9\/10th of such acts never come to light. This is only the tip of the iceberg. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20UDAY%20SINGH%20\">SHRI UDAY SINGH <\/a>: It is right. We all agree with this point.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: This is precisely the point. Therefore, the impression of the public at large in this country is that the political class, when it comes to protecting their own ilk, they never rise\u00a0 to the occasion. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: How can you tell so? There is nothing like it.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: This is the reality. They always try and defend their own class. Therefore, people have to rush to a court of law, and the court of law inevitably directs prosecution. The court of law directs trial to take place. Why is it so? It is because the belief is that when incriminating evidence comes in the public domain, then the political class &#8212; as a class &#8212; does not take note of it. Why is it so? It is because they want to defend themselves. \u2026 (Interruptions) If this is the impression in our country, then any such act, by us, to dilute the action &#8212; that has been proposed by this particular Motion &#8212; will be in the same direction.\u00a0 That again the political class has risen to defend their own ilk. This is despite the fact that there is incriminating evidence, which is part of the public domain. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: Should we hang them all? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0905\u0935\u0924\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u092d\u0921\u093e\u0928\u093e \u092c\u0948\u0920 \u091c\u093e\u0913, \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u094b\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u092d\u0921\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0906\u092a \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0928 \u0917\u094d\u0930\u0939\u0923 \u0915\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Have I said anything that does not justify?\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ANANTH%20KUMAR%20\">SHRI ANANTH KUMAR <\/a>: Sir, I would ask the hon. Minister to withdraw this. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092f\u0926\u093f \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0915\u094b \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0930\u0916\u0928\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0924\u094b \u0930\u0916\u0947\u0902, \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u094c\u0928 \u0938\u093e \u0924\u0930\u0940\u0915\u093e \u0939\u0948?\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u092d\u0921\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0938\u0940\u0921\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u0940\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: So, merely because a person loses his membership of this House in pursuance of a Motion getting passed here does not mean that it is the end of his life. \u2026 (Interruptions)It is not that anybody is sending him to the Star Chamber. Nobody is sending him to the Star Chamber. \u2026 (Interruptions). Nobody has hanged them. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u092c\u0942 \u0932\u093e\u0932 \u092e\u0930\u093e\u0902\u0921\u0940 \u092f\u0939 \u0909\u0938\u0938\u0947 \u092d\u0940 \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=THE%20MINISTER%20OF%20FINANCE%20\">THE MINISTER OF FINANCE <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20P.%20CHIDAMBARAM\">SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM<\/a>): Please listen to the viewpoints expressed here by the hon. Minister. Please sit down. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Sir, one files nomination papers on the basis of certain disclosures, and gets elected. The constituents who elect repose a certain confidence in you, and those constituents certainly do not expect their Members of Parliament should start asking money for putting questions. They certainly do not expect it.\n<\/p>\n<p>If one has lost that trust and if there is some incriminating evidence in front of you, then I do believe that the hon. Members without allowing this Motion to be passed should themselves come and say that I resign and will take steps to vindicate my rights. The Members need not allow this Motion to be passed. They can straightaway come up and say that I resign because somebody has accused me of this, and this is a very serious allegation. Somebody has shown a video footage of me or somebody has shown me audiotapes, and people in this country believe that it is me. Though is not me, yet consistent with the dignity of the Members of this House I resign my position, and I will vindicate my rights in a the court of law, that is, outside this House. What prevents him from doing it? Nothing prevents him from doing it. He is not hanged, and he does not lose his life and liberty. He can carry on with his profession. He is not sent to jail. \u2026 (Interruptions) He is not subjected to any capital punishment. It is only a membership of this House. The membership of this House is given on the basis of certain privileges that he has, and one of the privileges is that he has a right to ask questions.Prima facie, these people have abused that privilege by taking money for asking questions. Therefore, the House feels that they should no longer be Members, and that is all. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: Is that all? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Who has hanged them? Who has sent them to jail? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: You are trying to hang them without hearing their viewpoint. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>SHRI KAPIL SIBAL: No, that is the point. Therefore, the hon. Members believe that the only issue is that there should be a full-fledged trial, and that is the point that I am making. What kind of trial should be held, and the extent of the principle of natural justice to be applied and right to cross-examination to be granted that all depends on the nature of the evidence. If somebody had made an oral allegation and a Committee had said that : \u201cthrow him out of the House\u201d, then I would be standing with you to say that : \u201cNo, we should give them a chance.\u201d Therefore, it all depends on the nature of evidence. Who can dispute what we saw? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: They have disputed it. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Who can dispute it? It is not they. \u2026 (Interruptions) You are disputing it, and not them.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20P.%20CHIDAMBARAM\">SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM<\/a>: Are you disputing it?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: This is the question. The test in law \u2026 (Interruptions) May I with great humility and greatest respect to the Members of this House say, that the test in law is, a subjective opinion based on objective criteria. This is the test of law. \u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0 Of course, you will not see it because it is very difficult for you to be impressed after being faced with corruption of this nature. \u2026 (Interruptions) Perhaps, you are impressed with the kind of corruption. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u0915\u093e\u0902\u0917\u094d\u0930\u0947\u0938 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u091c\u094b \u0920\u0940\u0915 \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u093f\u090f, \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0939\u092e \u0935\u0939 \u0938\u092c \u092c\u0924\u093e\u0928\u0947 \u0932\u0917\u0947\u0902 \u0924\u094b there will not be any end to it.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: Sir, I am just winding up my speech. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u0930\u094d\u0927\u093e\u0930\u093f\u0924 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0947\u0917\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u092c\u0948\u0920 \u091c\u093e\u0907\u090f[ak36]\u00a0\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>The test is, \u201csubjective opinion based on objective criteria\u201d. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%A2%E0%A4%BC\">\u0938\u0941\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0930\u0917\u0922\u093c<\/a>) : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f,\u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0906\u092a \u090f\u0915 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u092d\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: I am not yielding.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Hon. Member, please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: I am not yielding. \u2026 (Interruptions) He is not being tried in a court of law. The test is, \u201csubjective opinion of this House based on objective criteria\u201d. If that subjective opinion is based on subjective criteria, the motion should not be passed. If that subjective opinion is based on objective criteria, the motion must be passed. It is not a question of hanging anybody; it is not a question of depriving anybody of his life and livelihood. That is the short test.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, what did the Committee say? We have the Report. The Committee says, \u201cWe have not just seen the edited portion; we saw the entire unedited portion, and the sequential nature of the unedited portion suggests that it was a course of event that was taking place and there is no scope for any tampering. Now, if somebody says\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: Please do not put words into the mouth of the Committee and quote it.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: I will read out the Committee Report in full.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: That is what I have objected to.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: You may object to it. The Committee says,  <\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn view of the totality of the facts and circumstances of the cases, the Committee are of the opinion that the allegations of accepting money by the 10 Members have been established.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>: I am taking objection to that.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL<\/a>: You are in a minority, and the majority will is there.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe Committee further note that it is difficult to escape the conclusion that accepting money had a direct connection with work in Parliament.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>That is the test. The Committee has applied the right test. It has looked at the objective criteria; it has come to a conclusion, and the work is related to the Members work in Parliament. Therefore, we now have to decide whether this kind of conduct, which the Committee has prima facie accepted on facts &#8212; he can challenge it in a court of law; nobody prevents him &#8212; is unbecoming of a Member of Parliament or not. If all of us believe it is becoming of a Member of Parliament, fine, defeat the motion. However, if you in your hearts believe that it is unbecoming of a Member of Parliament, then the motion must be voted on and accepted. That is all that we need to say.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Therefore, all these issues of trials, of hanging, of life and liberty, are non-issues. Let us please rise to the occasion, not as members of one political party, but as a House collectively, and show to the people of this country that we are on the right side of the law; we are on the side of morality; we are on the side of setting standards; we are on the side of principles; we are on the side of making this nation a great democracy; we are on the side of making this House a symbol of democracy for the world, not just for India.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=LT.%20COL.%20\">LT. COL. <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=RETD.%29%20MANABENDRA%20SHAH%20%28TEHRI%20GARHWAL\">RETD.) MANABENDRA SHAH (TEHRI GARHWAL<\/a>): Sir, I am seeking your permission to seek a clarification.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BIKRAM%20KESHARI%20DEO%20\">SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=KALAHANDI\">KALAHANDI<\/a>): He wants a clarification, Sir.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: There is no need to seek any clarification.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BIKRAM%20KESHARI%20DEO%20\">SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO <\/a>: Sir, he is a senior Member.\n<\/p>\n<p>LT. COL. (<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=RETD.%29%20MANABENDRA%20SHAH%20\">RETD.) MANABENDRA SHAH <\/a>: While we are discussing this, I want to know whether we are supporting or opposing the recommendation or we are talking about the amendment, that is, whether it should be done the way we want it or whether it should be done the way you want it. The whole debate is on that. It is not about whether we are for it or against it. We have to pass only an amendment seeking that the necessary procedure should be followed.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u0906\u092a \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0948\u0938 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>LT. COL. (<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=RETD.%29%20MANABENDRA%20SHAH%20\">RETD.) MANABENDRA SHAH <\/a>: I am a very senior Member and I must have some respect from the Chair. I want to know whether the amendment is being opposed or the whole thing is being opposed. I would like to know about his opinion on this issue.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u0906\u092a \u0915\u092e\u094d\u092a\u0948\u0932 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>LT. COL. (<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=RETD.%29%20MANABENDRA%20SHAH%20\">RETD.) MANABENDRA SHAH <\/a>: Mr. Chairman, you cannot do that. I am sorry to say that[R37]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>SHRI VIJAYENDRA PAL SINGH Sir, I stand to speak on the motion under Rule 184.\u00a0 This House is confronted with an extraordinary situation and if we go down the memory lane of this House, we find that there is only one case of Mudgal, which was debated before this motion under Rule 184 has come to this House.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 May I also say that our party &#8211; like what has been said from the Treasury Benches &#8211; that we are not against this motion?\u00a0 I must put here that we are for morality, we are for the democratic system, we are for honesty and truth and we are for all that,\u00a0 and what has been said here. But may I also put here that if my own son had been charged with something like this, I think, I would have disowned him? So, let it not be said that it is morally the parties faulting against the moral views and the ethics which have been shown on the TV.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>May I also put the cause like what Prof. Malhotra has said?\u00a0 What is required is a fair trial for the 11 Members? It is a very sad thing.\u00a0 We are debating someone else. Our eminent lawyer on the other side, who is just going out, if he had been sitting here, he would have argued this case in a different way, and he would have been as convincing as if he was sitting there.\u00a0But it is a different thing to argue a case where hundreds and thousands of rupees\u00a0 you take.\u00a0 You can argue it, rightly or wrongly, wherever you are told to do so.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, may I say here that nowhere else in the country or nowhere else in the world has the sting operation been allowed.\u00a0In Japan, it is a banned thing.\u00a0In America, it is banned and wherever somebody takes a bribe, both the giver and the taker are indicted.\u00a0 Let me also put here that I remember that I myself had put forth a sting operation.\u00a0 This was on the security.\u00a0 All the newspapers of this country had indicted me and said that the Member had gone into the Parliament with a fake pass on the car and that is the time when I put forth my views and I said that this was a sting operation. The very media which is talking about this, had told me as to who has given me the authority to do it.\u00a0 I ask here as to who had given the authority to the media to conduct this sting operation.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The CBI is our greatest investigating authority.\u00a0It is also given the charge of looking into the MP&#8217;s corruption charges and they can do the string operation but even the CBI has not been given the powers to take up sting operations of inducement.\u00a0 They cannot use their own funds to induce people and charge them and that authority has not been given even to the CBI.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Then, may I ask that who gave these operations &#8211; Duryodhanand Tehelka &#8211; the authority to doit[R38]\u00a0?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me also put across that even in the Defence Forces, even if there is a cases of misappropriation, they have to go through a court martial. We have read a few years ago that a Major General was caught smuggling liquor in trucks.\u00a0 Even he has not been discharged from service because there is a court martial\u00a0 which will look into it.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>There has to be a yardstick for sting operations that is what we are talking about.\u00a0 It is a very dangerous game that is being conducted, and especially let us take a hypothetical case of these 11 Members, our colleagues, who have been indicted.\u00a0 How do we know that they were not five or 10 more Members and they could be from the Treasury Benches or from here?\u00a0 These same people have blackmailed the Treasury Benches, the Government to say that this is what we require and that is how we will not get these names out.\u00a0 How do we know about it?\u00a0 It can be a possibility. That is what is going around and that there were some very influential people in the MPLADS, whose names were there but their names have been taken out only because the same system and\u00a0 the same people have gone to them and said that &#8211; holding the whole party to ransom, the whole country to ransom &#8211; that is what we need, otherwise, they will be expelled tomorrow from Lok Sabha.\u00a0 It is a possibility.\u00a0 It can happen.\u00a0 I am told that they were not just 11 Members, there are more than 11 Members, who had been caught in this but that has not come out.\n<\/p>\n<p>May I also say this? Our learned friend, Shri Kapil Sibal has said that this House is a repository of Judiciary, Legislature and Executive, and now that we have delegated all these powers to others and we have just kept the Legislature.\u00a0 If this is what it is, why should we sit on judgement on these 11 Members, our colleagues?\u00a0 Exactly, this is what he is saying.\u00a0 We have delegated these powers to others.\u00a0 Let that be an authority, who looks into the judicial case, and give a pronouncement of what should be given, what punishment should be meted out to these 11 Members[R39]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>I feel that it is very important that a fair trial is given. Shri Kapil Sibal was talking that ample opportunity was given to these Members to put forth their views. They were heard for ten minutes. Are the ten minutes good enough for them to explain? Was there any other evidence that they wanted to put forth which did not come out? If they had got the services of an eminent lawyer like Shri Kapil Sibal, I think, the table would have been changed. I feel that we must give them a chance to put their case across. May I also say one more thing?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%BF%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u092a\u094d\u0932\u0940\u091c \u0906\u092a \u0915\u0928\u094d\u0915\u0932\u0942\u0921 \u0915\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0905\u092d\u0940 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940, \u092c\u0940.\u091c\u0947.\u092a\u0940. \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0938\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20VIJAYENDRA%20PAL%20SINGH%20\">SHRI VIJAYENDRA PAL SINGH <\/a>: Why is it that we have done all this? I think, the whole country is looking at us. I commend the Speaker who took a quick decision of forming a Committee to go into the details of the scam. But I am surprised to find how the Rajya Sabha gave this task to their Ethics Committee. Our Speaker, in all his wisdom, should have also given this to the Privileges Committee or to the Ethics Committee. What was the need of having a small Committee to hand over this work? Do we not have the Ethics Committee?\n<\/p>\n<p>Do we not have the Privileges Committee? Why is it that this work was given to a small five-Member Committee? I appeal that it will be right and justice will be meted out if we hand it over to the Ethics Committee or the Privileges Committee. This is what I have to say.\n<\/p>\n<p>SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA Sir, let me, at the beginning, submit that expulsion of the Members from the House is a grave punishment. The way Shri Kapil Sibal was arguing, I do not buy his argument. It is a serious punishment. It tantamounts to inflicting grave injury to the political career of the persons concerned. Let there be no doubt about that. I do not also buy the argument that what was done in the past was all correct and what is being done now is incorrect. This is a specific case; this is a singular case. During the last 57 years, such a case has never come to the surface. So many people have been charged; so much of publicity has been given; and so much of rancour and acrimony has been there. It is a singular instance which rocks the very basic foundation of the Republic of India. And, I agree, this is not a party question. This is not a question which you should discuss in terms of what is the party to which the majority of the Members belong. I do not take that line, neither that route should be taken by anybody.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But the basic question is that suspicion cannot be a truth; suspicion cannot be a substitute for facts. The hon. Member, while speaking, just\u00a0 now said that it has to be found out whether this sting operation was provoked by somebody in the Treasury Benches[p40]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was the line, if I am not wrong, that I heard. There is a suspicion.\u00a0 If there is any evidence of\u00a0 suspicion, it can be very well brought to the notice of the House.\n<\/p>\n<p> 14.40 hrs\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Mr. Speaker in the Chair).\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We are not here to raise our hands in favour of any inappropriate resolution.\u00a0 We do not belong to any bandwagon to say that we shall say, yes if something wrong\u00a0 is said.\u00a0That is not the issue. The basis issue, as I feel is that it is an undoubted truth, it is an undiluted fact that some people had taken money and those who had taken money did it in exchange of raising questions in Parliament.\u00a0 It is a plain truth\u00a0 which came on the screen, it is a plain truth which has been looked into by a Committee.\n<\/p>\n<p>Now, my hon. friend, Prof. Malhotra has raised a number of issues.\u00a0 I find his statement a little contradictory.\u00a0 I would say why.\u00a0\u00a0 On the one hand he says: \u201cIs expulsion the appropriate punishment?\u00a0Is it not too harsh?\u201d\u00a0 Secondly, he says, whether the right of expulsion vests to the House or not.\u00a0 Thirdly, he has raised the question, whether the route of expulsion should have been taken through the Privileges Committee. Fourthly, he says\u2026 (Interruptions) Excuse me.\u00a0 My views are not to be accepted by you.\u00a0 But there is a\u00a0 veiled\u00a0threat.\u00a0 What he says is: \u201c In Assemblies, where political complexion is different, the\u00a0 majority is different, the same course may be taken.\u201d This is very unfortunate.\u00a0Let us discuss the issue on merit.\u00a0The merit of the issue is that some of our\u00a0 colleagues have taken money, and the question that is being discussed here is whether they were given enough opportunity to defend themselves.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, para 3.5, which is the last para, of page 26 of the Report\u00a0 says: \u201cIn this context, the Committee would like to bring to record that all the 10 Members while deposing before the Committee were asked whether they would like to view\u00a0 the relevant video footage so that they could point out the discrepancies, if any.\u00a0 All the Members refused to view the relevant video footage.\u201d\u00a0What does it mean?\u00a0 It means that the Members so accused were afraid to face the truth on the screen.\u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0 That is my interpretation.\u00a0You can put out it separately.\u00a0But my interpretation is that these 10 Members were afraid\u00a0 to face the video screening of the tape that was screened on the television.\u00a0 Why was it not taken to view?\u00a0 They could have pointed out where the discrepancies lie.\u00a0If they had pointed that there were the discrepancies, then we could have accused the Committee for taking a partisan stand.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, Prof. Malhotra raised a question that according to him the trial has been very swift.\u00a0 May I suggest that the Resolution was moved in this House; the hon. Speaker\u00a0 made the announcement that the Committee was being set up\u00a0 to give its views within 10 days.\u00a0 At that point of time, no hon. Member from\u00a0 any side had raised this question.\u00a0 All Members were present in the House, and it was brought to the notice of the House that it is going to be a\u00a0 swift trial, too swift to bring justice to the case that we are discussing about.\u00a0 Therefore,\u00a0 the whole House is a party\u00a0 to a decision wherein a Committee was set up and the Committee was given a time of 10 days to make its recommendations to Lok Sabha[k41]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Therefore, what is wrong in it?\u00a0 At that point of time, it was not stated that let this Committee not be set up; let this case be referred to the Privileges Committee.\u00a0But what is now being said by the hon. Member and my esteemed friend Prof. Malhotra &#8212; we had been together in\u00a0the Rajya Sabha for many years and we are together in the Ethics Committee\u00a0 &#8212; is that why the Privileges Committee was not given this job and why this Committee\u00a0 was appointed.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is an afterthought.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 While the decision was being taken in the House, all of us were party to it including\u00a0 Prof. Malhotra, and it was not suggested at any point of time that\u00a0Five-Member Committee was not\u00a0enough, and let this case be sent to the Privileges\u00a0 Committee?\u00a0Why is this afterthought now?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I am amused by the argument of my hon. friend.\u00a0What he says is that \u2018a military officer was caught red-handed while smuggling a bottle of wine, but he was not thrown out; he was sent for court martial.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20VIJAYENDRA%20PAL%20SINGH%20\">SHRI VIJAYENDRA PAL SINGH <\/a>: A truckload of bottles were seized.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20GURUDAS%20DASGUPTA%20\">SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA <\/a>: That is exactly\u00a0 I am saying.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: \u00a0Mr. Vijayendra Pal Singh, please.\u00a0You have made many allegations against\u00a0the Chair also. I will answer them.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20GURUDAS%20DASGUPTA%C2%A0%20\">SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA\u00a0 <\/a>: Does he believe that this\u00a0 condoning of criminality, if it is truth in military, the same way we should condone the aberrations of Parliamentary principles in Lok Sabha also? What is the argument about?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, the basic question is that they were given the transcripts of the exposure; they were supplied with the copy; and they were heard, in person.\u00a0 They were asked whether they wanted to see the unedited portion but they refused it.\u00a0Therefore, in my humble opinion\u00a0&#8212;\u00a0 I am there in Parliament for quite a long time \u2013 no finger can be raised pointing out that the Committee so appointed by the House did not do its job.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, a question is being raised about the sting operation that sting operation is banned in Japan; that it is banned in the United States.\u00a0 If they want to ban the sting operation in India, they may bring a Resolution.\u00a0 We can discuss it. But since\u00a0 sting operation has exposed 10 Members of Parliament, therefore, let us not raise\u00a0 the question of credibility of the Media. Media has done its job.\u00a0 Parliament is to do its job. It is for the Parliament to decide whether the findings of this sting operation has any basis, has any material.\u00a0 Its objective calls for punitive action\u00a0 of Parliament or we can condone it.\u00a0 Let us not blame the Media.\u00a0They have done their job.\u00a0 We should do our job.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, therefore, the basic point is\u00a0 this\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: \u00a0Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20GURUDAS%20DASGUPTA%20\">SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA <\/a>:\u00a0 I know, Sir, that I am hurting them.\u00a0 I know, my arguments do hurt\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0Mr. Kharabela Swain, you do not have to teach anybody.\u00a0 Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0Nothing will be recorded except what Mr. Dasgupta says.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Interruptions) *  <\/p>\n<p>*Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0Mr. Dasgupta, please address the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>: \u092f\u0926\u093f \u0906\u092a \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947 \u0924\u094b \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0968\u096f \u0914\u0930 \u0969\u0966 \u0915\u0947\u0935\u0932 \u0926\u094b \u092a\u0948\u0930\u093e \u092a\u0922\u093c\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: No, not now. When you get your turn, you may speak then.\u00a0 Now, please do not disturb.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is not being recorded, Mr. Oram.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20GURUDAS%20DASGUPTA%20\">SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA <\/a>: Sir, I concede that it is a tragic situation for the Parliament; I concede that I speak with the heavy heart and I concede that the situation constitutes a grave crisis for the nation as well for the Parliament[k42]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>It is not with a sense of joy that we are here to speak in support or against the expulsion. It is in the discharge of our duty as enjoined by the Constitution. Let us part with the company of our colleagues who have themselves parted with all moral scruples and allowed themselves to reach the bottom of moral degradation, abusing cynically the position they have been elevated to by the electorate of the country.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20GURUDAS%20DASGUPTA%20\">SHRI GURUDAS DASGUPTA <\/a>: I am concluding. I must say one thing here.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The political system of the country is interpreted to be tainted. When the political life of the country is overcast with dense cloud of suspicion and mistrust, when the public figures \u2013 not all, but many \u2013 are on the point of losing their credibility, when the political system appears to be tainted and when all that we do are sought to be interpreted as an act for gain, there is a need to begin an effort to turn the wheel of events \u2013 the message must be loud and clear that the 14th Lok Sabha is determined to initiate a process for cleansing the public life and clear the apprehension among the people.\n<\/p>\n<p>__________________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>*Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The apprehension among the people must be dispelled; the Parliament has risen to its height to indict the Members who fell much below the bottom by being accused, and have been found to be taking money. It is with a heavy heart that we light a flame of hope among the millions in deep darkness of despair in this House. Let the nation know that the highest temple of democracy cannot be blurred and cannot be tainted by the action of a few because the majority has taken a decision to punish them with an exemplary punishment.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Before I call the next hon. Member to speak, I wish to make a comment because when I was not here, one hon. Member unnecessarily brought the Chair into this debate. He put a question as to why the Chair did not refer it to the Privileges Committee and why the Chair did not refer it to the Ethics Committee, etc. The answer is very simple.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The House is ultimately the master. The composition of this Committee, the time that should be allowed, etc. were fixed in consultation with all the hon. leaders, including the leader of party to which the hon. Member belongs. His Party acceded to it. As a matter of fact, he agreed to be a member of it; he became a member of it. He participated in it.\n<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, why should you bring the Chair into this now? It was said by me that the report that will be submitted, would be presented to the House. It had been presented to the House. It is for the House to take a decision. The Committee can only make a recommendation.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: No. You have already brought it.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20VIJAYENDRA%20PAL%20SINGH%20\">SHRI VIJAYENDRA PAL SINGH <\/a>: I have praised the Chair too. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: This is very unfair to the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20VIJAYENDRA%20PAL%20SINGH%20\">SHRI VIJAYENDRA PAL SINGH <\/a>: I praised you. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I do not need anybody\u2019s praise. I only said this just to keep the records straight. It was not my unilateral or individual decision.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, Shri Anant Gudhe.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20VIJAYENDRA%20PAL%20SINGH%20\">SHRI VIJAYENDRA PAL SINGH <\/a>: I have all the respects for you. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: This is very unfortunate. From the very beginning, I have said that I have nothing to do in this matter. I have made no comments on the merits; I have not said that it should be passed or it should not be passed. I have only referred that the Resolution has been brought forward. Now, to say that I did not refer it to that Committee, is not fair.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20VIJAYENDRA%20PAL%20SINGH%20\">SHRI VIJAYENDRA PAL SINGH <\/a>: You did not even mention that part of it \u2013 I said that the Speaker took such a good decision, which everybody appreciated. You left out that portion. You mention only the part which hurts you.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. 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This is the most unfortunate incident for the entire country, particularly for us in this august House and for parliamentary democracy in general.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I would like to remind the House about the debate of the Constituent Assembly that took place to decide about a minimum qualification for the legislators.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The Private Members\u2019 Business stands postponed to the next Session.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BRAJA%20KISHORE%20TRIPATHY%20\">SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: The debate continued for a long time to decide about setting a minimum educational qualification a standard for a legislator. But in the light of the fact that all our freedom fighters had to give up their studies midway, it was decided not to keep any minimum educational qualification standard for the legislators. But very rightly they had talked about and decided that the &#8220;moral education&#8221;, as the minimum qualification for a legislator. Now, we are completely bankrupt on this question of moral education.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, now the entire country does not believe in the political people. People have lost their trust and confidence in the public representatives. But I would like to remind this House that the Sting Operation, whatever happened, has happened outside the Parliament.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e \u0915\u0943\u092a\u093e\u0932 \u092f\u093e\u0926\u0935 \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092a\u094d\u0930\u093e\u0907\u0935\u0947\u091f \u092e\u0948\u092e\u094d\u092c\u0930\u094d\u0938 \u092c\u093f\u0932 \u092a\u0930 \u091a\u0930\u094d\u091a\u093e \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0939\u094b \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: You had not been careful when I said about this. The Private Members\u2019 Business will be taken up in the next Session.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BRAJA%20KISHORE%20TRIPATHY%20\">SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: I would like to know whether we are intending to take action on something which happened outside the Parliament?\u00a0 This is the fundamental question that I would like to raise and I would like to be answered about this[rpm45]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>When this House [bru46]\u00a0has the wisdom to take action on something which has happened outside the Parliament, then why are the tainted Ministers sitting here against whom there are serious corruption charges? Why they are not disqualified?\u00a0 They are not dismembered so far?\u00a0 They are continuing to hold their portfolio when the bail process is going on.\u00a0 Is it right on our part to take action only against Members while such alleged corrupt Ministers, who ought to set an example to others, are sitting here?\u00a0They are continuing as Ministers and also Members of this House.\u00a0 This question has to be answered.\u00a0 When we are debating on this issue and when we take a final decision on this issue, this question has to be answered.\u00a0 This question has not yet been answered.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, you are a leading legal expert in the country.\u00a0So, I would not like to explain each point.\u00a0 What is our legal jurisprudence?\u00a0What does it speak about? Our Legal jurisprudence is based completely on human grounds.\u00a0 Human values are reflected there, in our legal jurisprudence.\u00a0 It says that a culprit may be excused or acquitted but an innocent person should not be punished. We are adhering to this type of legal jurisprudence. This jurisprudence is accepted by us and the Constitution has also accepted this legal jurisprudence.\u00a0 Our criminal laws are based on this legal jurisprudence.\u00a0Even if a crime has happened or occurred in the presence of a judge, he cannot hang that person.\u00a0 Even if the judge is an eye witness to the occurrence of the crime, he will have to follow the procedure like FIR, police case, etc.  <\/p>\n<p> 15.07 hrs.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Shri Varkala Radhakrishnan in the Chair)   <\/p>\n<p>There shall\u00a0 be cross-examination etc. even in that case.\u00a0 That is why, the eyes of justice are blind.\u00a0 Even if the crime has happened in his presence, and even if he is an eye witness to it, he cannot punish the culprit.\u00a0 He shall have to go through the procedure required and only then punish the guilty.\u00a0 We have accepted this legal jurisprudence and we have adhered to it.\u00a0 If this is the position, then how will it be possible just to dismember or expel a Member of Parliament?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I want to bring one point from the Report of the Committee to the notice of the House.\u00a0 I want to refer to paragraph 29 wherein one of the ten accused \u00a0Members, Shri Lal Chandra Kol has given evidence.\u00a0What has he said in his evidence before the Committee on 18th December, 2005?\u00a0 In paragraph 29, it is stated:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat has been shown in the video is not true.\u00a0 Actually, the money which I have been shown as accepting in the video is my money which I had given to one Saligram Dubey who is from my village for buying seeds.\u00a0 He is returning me that money which has been shown in the video in a distorted manner.\u00a0I am absolutely not guilty.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>So, where is the evidence before the Committee that he is guilty? Have they examined whether this gentleman is really returning the money and when he was returning it, was this video-taped?\u00a0 This has not been cross examined because there was no time.\u00a0 This is what paragraph 29 says.\u00a0 We are now dismembering an innocent person, if what he says is true.\u00a0\u00a0This has to be further examined.\u00a0It is necessary to do it. We cannot punish a person who is innocent.\u00a0\u00a0 The examination is not sufficient.\u00a0 He is also telling something else which require to be cross-examined or further examined.\u00a0 So, this part should be answered. It is necessary to be answered.\u00a0 That is why I say that we should not punish an innocent Member[bru47]\u00a0 by just looking at the video. They should be given sufficient time.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, justice hurried is justice buried. So, we should not be in a hurry to punish somebody. If there is a prima facie case, let us accept that position. They should be given sufficient time. They should be allowed for their deposition to present their witnesses. Then, let them be punished. Something had happened in the past. Rightly or wrongly, this House, in its wisdom, expelled a Member in the past also. We had done it rightly or wrongly in the past. So, now also we are repeating the same thing. We will commit the same mistake again. Will we rectify our mistake or will we go on committing the same mistake again and again? That is the point to be discussed. That is to be deliberated upon.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We are against corruption. My Party is against corruption. We are continuing in power for about 8 years in our State fighting against corruption of the Congress Party, the misrule of the Congress Government. My Party came to power fighting against corruption. It is also against corruption. Hence, there is no point in compromising with corruption. But we must be honest while dealing with this matter. When we are punishing somebody, they should be given sufficient time.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Here, I want to warn everybody that the Parliamentary System is in crisis today. Why is it in crisis? We must go for introspection and should discuss it. Are the Parliamentary parties of the country amazed?\u00a0I want to tell this august House one thing. Are they transparent? Whatever money they are collecting, whatever accounts they are giving maintaining and submitting to the Election Commission, are they true?\u00a0 All the Members of Parliament are filing their returns about their election expenditure. Are the returns true? Why? This has happened. This system has developed like this.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A political donation is not illegal in our country. But interestingly the donor is not interested in giving money in white through a cheque, nor the taker is\u00a0 interested in taking white money through a cheque. This is happening. We are collecting political funds for our election purpose. How are we collecting? Is it transparent? So, first, we must try to be transparent. We must try to develop this system in our own political system. Mr. Minister, if you want to maintain a transparent political system in our country, if you want to just continue with this Parliamentary System, if you want to make the Parliamentary System a healthy system, then,\u00a0 the system as a whole has to be changed.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There is no accountability of the political parties. The Constitution is silent about political parties. Members are punished but the political parties have never been punished. Only the people can punish the political parties. That is our system. As I have said just now, the Constitution is silent on that.\u00a0 Our fore-fathers never believed that the next generation, the future generation of political parties would be irresponsible; they would behave in this manner; there would be no internal democracy in the political system; the political parties never adhere to their internal democracy, etc. This is happening now. The situation has come to this stage. That is why we should rectify the entire system. Let us rectify the political parties. Let there be honesty first. Then, we can strengthen the Parliamentary Democracy. That is why, my point is that we must be careful. Of course, we must punish these people. But they should be given sufficient time. They should be allowed to say whatever they want to say. Let them say. Let them be suspended. Let them not be allowed to take anything \u2013 whatever they are entitled to as Members of Parliament. It should be not only in respect of attending this House but also the entire thing should be suspended. They should not be given anything till their trial and investigation is completed. That is why, Mr. Chairman, Sir, my point is that the alleged Members should be given sufficient time. They should be allowed to defend and give the entire thing which they want to do. Then only, they shall be hanged or we shall give them punishment &#8211; whatever punishment they are entitled to[R48]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>If somebody is doing some undue things, if somebody is involved in corruption, they should not be allowed to go free.\u00a0 We should not be a party to that thing.\u00a0 This House is entitled to show the example to the entire country and the entire world.\u00a0 We believe in parliamentary democracy and our Members should be honest in all respect.\u00a0But they should also\u00a0 be given sufficient time.\u00a0 That is my point.\u00a0 This House should not be divided on this issue.\u00a0 My honest request is that the House should not be divided.\u00a0 If the House will be divided then my Party cannot be a party to this thing.\u00a0 I want to announce this thing.\u00a0 If the House will be\u00a0 divided, there will not be unanimity on this issue then we cannot be a party to this thing.\u00a0Either this side or that side, we cannot be a party to this thing.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>:\u00a0 Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BRAJA%20KISHORE%20TRIPATHY%20\">SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, my last request is that the Leader of the House, the mover of the Motion, should consider it. 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I remember the day that she was expelled. She called from here and said that she had been expelled. I remember how sad we all were. I came for the first time to Parliament to fetch her. Both of us met her and I remember her singing a little song. I remember, the song was about somebody being hung without even a trial; and I remember, it was an awful day. She said that it would have a huge shadow \u2013 she used the word \u2018shadow\u2019 \u2013 on future events. Many years later, we are seeing a repeat of that. I am sure, whatever she was, she must now have understood how long that shadow of that evening was. Today, we are doing the same thing to ten people.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Prof. Vijay Kumar Malhotra and Shri Pranab Mukherjee have made excellent speeches where both of them talked basically about the same things except that Prof. Malhotra talked about the principles of natural justice.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20I%20want%20to%20ask\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I want to ask<\/a>: \u2018What is the benchmark of this House? What do we keep as our benchmark of corruption?\u2019 Today we are basically deciding \u2013 not to expel ten people because that is irrelevant \u2013 what is our personal benchmark of honour. Is it going to be the benchmark that nobody is going to be asking questions for money because that is what these ten people have done? Is our benchmark going to be just this and nothing else? Does it not extend beyond? Would we not extend our benchmark ever to people who have been chargesheeted, people who are on bail, and people who have been declared farar, while sitting in this House, by the police? There used to be a benchmark that people would not be made Ministers if they were on bail or chargesheeted or even declared farar, which comes later. Today, that benchmark has disappeared in the face of the kind of politics we do to day.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My next point is, if you say that it is on TV and therefore it must be correct, should we accept just TV or should we extend our understanding to books and literature? In that case, do we take Reports like that of the Volcker Committee and do we take the Mitrokhin Archives? So much rubbish had been written about my husband. Should we not accept them as totally correct? Should we not hold them as absolute truth? If we do not hold them as truth, perhaps, we should look at what has been the background of this TV expose and what led up to it. After all, nothing could be accepted as perfect truth unless we see what the background was.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The next aspect is, these people have taken a bribe. Fine, the Indian Penal Code has provisions for bribe takers and for bribe givers. Has a FIR been registered against them? Let them be prosecuted; let them be on bail or go to jail. Let the law take its course; the law has not. None of us or nobody in this House has gone to the court or registered a FIR. None of the parties has done that. But what we have done is apply what we believe are principles of natural justice. Are these the principles of natural justice? In the principles of natural justice, should the punishment not fit the crime? Let us suppose we expel them. It is not a problem if we expel them but suppose the parties then, in their infinite wisdom \u2013 and as parties do \u2013 give them tickets again and they stand for election, and, through a complete muddle that we have created today of caste structures and other things, they win and come back, would they be exonerated[r52]\u00a0?\n<\/p>\n<p>Will we accept them back as hon. Members?\u00a0 Will we be happy and say that their sin is finished?\u00a0\u00a0 Will our benchmark still be intact because they have won election?\u00a0Should we submit every crime to a referendum or should it not have its repercussions by having them prosecuted properly?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Many years ago a judge was sought to be impeached by this hon. House.\u00a0\u00a0 At that time, the hon. Minister here, who is today defending the decision to expel them, was his lawyer and he defended him so ably that the judge was not impeached.\u00a0If these accused had a lawyer or had been allowed to have a lawyer perhaps, who knows what the complexion of the case would have been?\u00a0\u00a0 They came nervously to the inquiry committee.\u00a0\u00a0 After all, they have been accused of an awful crime in front of a billion people.\u00a0\u00a0 They probably had no idea of what to say.\u00a0\u00a0 Should we not give them the benefit of the doubt just for that?\u00a0\u00a0 If you want to expel them, expel them after they have had the benefit of the lawyers, the same way as the judge had. Justice must not only be done but also seen to be done; otherwise all we are pandering to is the threat of looking bad or losing brownie points with the public.\u00a0\u00a0Today, we can rail-road these people out of Parliament.\u00a0 But where will the Lakshman Rekha go?\u00a0 Will we stretch it to say: \u201cAll right, we do not like somebody, throw him out as we did at that time with late Shrimati Indira Gandhi.\u201d\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Will we take a totality of what the person stands for and then throw him out?\u00a0 Who knows where this will go?\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Prof. Vijay Kumar Malhotra and other hon. 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CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Please conclude now.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0940\u0932 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0939\u0924\u094b <\/a>: \u00a0\u092a\u094d\u0930\u091c\u093e\u0924\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092c\u0938\u0947 \u092c\u095c\u093e \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0939\u0930\u0940 \u092f\u0939 \u0907\u0932\u0947\u0915\u094d\u091f\u094d\u0930\u093e\u0928\u093f\u0915 \u0914\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u093f\u0902\u091f \u092e\u0940\u0921\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0906\u091c \u092c\u093e\u0932\u0940\u0935\u0941\u0921 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092d\u0940 \u092b\u093f\u0932\u094d\u092e\u094b\u0902 \u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u093e \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0915\u094b \u0907\u0924\u0928\u093e \u092c\u0926\u0928\u093e\u092e \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0915\u093e \u092e\u0924\u0932\u092c \u0915\u0930\u092a\u094d\u091f, \u092c\u0947\u0907\u092e\u093e\u0928, \u092e\u0915\u094d\u0915\u093e\u0930, \u0926\u094b\u0937\u0940, \u0909\u0938\u0915\u094b \u0917\u094b\u0932\u0940 \u0926\u0947\u0928\u093e, \u0909\u0938\u0915\u094b \u0932\u093e\u0924 \u092e\u093e\u0930\u0928\u093e, \u0938\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u0939\u093f\u0902\u0926\u0940 \u092b\u093f\u0932\u094d\u092e\u094b\u0902 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906\u091c \u0924\u0915 \u0939\u092e \u0907\u0938\u0940 \u091a\u0940\u091c \u0915\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u092d\u0940 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093e \u0939\u094b\u0917\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0938\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906\u091c \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0906\u0930\u094d\u0925\u093f\u0915 \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093f\u0924\u093f \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948? \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0938\u092c\u0938\u0947 \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u092c\u0926\u0928\u093e\u092e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0906\u091c \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0935\u0930\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906\u0908\u090f\u090f\u0938, \u0906\u0908\u092a\u0940\u090f\u0938 \u091c\u094b \u092d\u0940 \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924 \u0915\u0947 \u092a\u0949\u0936 \u090f\u0930\u093f\u092f\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0935\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0926\u0947\u0916\u093f\u090f, \u0906\u0908\u091c\u0940, \u0915\u092e\u093f\u0936\u094d\u0928\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0918\u0930 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093f\u0924\u093f \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948? \u092a\u0949\u0936 \u090f\u0930\u093f\u092f\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u096a\u0966 \u0932\u093e\u0916, \u096b\u0966 \u0932\u093e\u0916, \u0968 \u0915\u0930\u094b\u095c, \u0969 \u0915\u0930\u094b\u095c \u0915\u093e \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u0918\u0930 \u0916\u0930\u0940\u0926\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Hon. Member, you are moving away from the point. Please conclude now.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0940\u0932 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0939\u0924\u094b <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0939\u092e \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0939\u0940 \u0938\u093e\u0927\u093e\u0930\u0923 \u092a\u0930\u093f\u0935\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u0947 \u0914\u0930 \u0935\u093f\u0936\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0927 \u0917\u093e\u0902\u0935 \u0938\u0947 \u0906\u090f \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u092a-\u0926\u093e\u0926\u093e \u0915\u092d\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0925\u0947, \u0939\u092e \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947 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class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: You can speak during Budget Session on all these points.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0940\u0932 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0939\u0924\u094b <\/a>: \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093f\u0930\u094d\u092b \u090f\u0915-\u090f\u0915 \u0906\u0926\u092e\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u091a\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0928\u0947 \u0938\u0947 \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091a\u0932\u0947\u0917\u093e, \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u092a\u0942\u0930\u0947 \u096b\u096a\u096b \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u092e\u093f\u0932\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f \u0914\u0930 \u0938\u092c\u0915\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u091a\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0928\u0947 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0947 \u0915\u093f\u0924\u0928\u093e \u092d\u0940 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0932\u0917\u0947 \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0928\u093f\u0930\u094d\u0923\u092f \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u0939\u0940 \u0932\u0947\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f \u0924\u092d\u0940 \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f \u0938\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0915 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u093e\u0964 \u0909\u0928 \u0938\u092d\u0940 \u0938\u093e\u0902\u0938\u0926\u094b\u0902, \u091c\u093f\u0928\u0915\u0947 \u0928\u093e\u092e \u092a\u0930 \u090f\u0932\u0940\u0917\u0947\u0936\u0928 \u0906\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u092d\u0940 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u092e\u093f\u0932\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0915\u094d\u0935\u0948\u0936\u094d\u091a\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u0947 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u094b \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0906\u0908 \u0939\u0948 \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u090f\u092e\u092a\u0940\u0932\u0948\u0921 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u093e \u0906\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u090f\u092e\u092a\u0940\u0932\u0948\u0921 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u093e \u0907\u0938 \u0924\u0930\u0939 \u0938\u0947 \u092a\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0915\u093e\u0930\u0923 \u090f\u0915 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0924\u094b \u0906\u0924\u094d\u092e\u0939\u0924\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093f\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0935\u0947 \u0938\u0941\u0938\u093e\u0907\u0921 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0938\u0902\u0938\u0926 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u092c\u0938\u0947 \u092c\u095c\u0940 \u092a\u0902\u091a\u093e\u092f\u0924 \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u0906\u091c \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0928\u093f\u0930\u094d\u0923\u092f \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0907\u0938 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u094b \u0915\u0930\u094b\u095c\u094b\u0902 \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0928\u093f\u0930\u094d\u0923\u092f \u091c\u0932\u094d\u0926\u092c\u093e\u091c\u0940 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please conclude. We are also aware of all these things.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0940\u0932 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0939\u0924\u094b <\/a>: \u0906\u091c \u0938\u092c \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u092d\u093e\u0935\u0928\u093e\u0913\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0916\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u092a\u094d\u0930\u093f\u0902\u091f \u0914\u0930 \u0907\u0932\u0948\u0915\u094d\u091f\u094d\u0930\u0949\u0928\u093f\u0915 \u092e\u0940\u0921\u093f\u092f\u093e \u092a\u0930 \u0928\u093f\u092f\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0923 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: If he has spoken anything about the Lok Sabha Secretariat, it shall be expunged from the record.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>__________________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>*Expunged as ordered by the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>DR. M. JAGANNATH\u00a0 Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Sir. On behalf of Telugu Desam Party, I rise to support the motion moved by the hon. Leader of the House. It is a very painful situation to talk about our own colleagues for expelling them from the House, but the way some of the Members of this House have conducted is unethical and unwanted on their part, which is not conducive to parliamentary dignity.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, Members of Parliament, who represent lakhs of voters of their Lok Sabha constituency, are expected to behave in a way that it upholds the moral and they should also be examples for others[reporter55]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p> 16.00 hrs  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But, unfortunately, in the recent past something happened, and it was depicted on the TV channels. This has brought down the prestige of the institution, namely, the Parliament.\n<\/p>\n<p>The culprits should definitely be punished or given punishment. But I feel that the way we are rushing up the things has not given the hon. Members a fair chance to present and plead their case before the Committee. In my opinion, they should have been given some other way &#8212; of parliamentary procedure &#8212; to prove their case before the Motion was moved to expel 10 hon. Members of this House. They should have taken any decision on this issue only after this.\n<\/p>\n<p>I agree with some of our colleagues, who spoke about the way print media and electronic media behaved in this case. There were allegations that, in spite of resistance from some of the Members, some of them forced them to accept it saying that we would adjust it afterwards. I feel that there is no need for a Member to go to somebody. Therefore, the question to be taken into consideration is this. Had the Members gone to somebody\u2019s house or had these people come to the Member\u2019s house. This point has certainly to be taken into account.\n<\/p>\n<p>Finally, I would request that those who committed mistakes should be punished, and there is no doubt about it. 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\u092e\u094b\u0936\u0928 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0939\u0940 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u092d\u0940 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u092a\u0942\u0930\u0940 \u0907\u0902\u0915\u094d\u0935\u093e\u092f\u0930\u0940 \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f \u0915\u093f \u0935\u0939 \u0915\u0948\u0938\u0947\u091f \u0915\u093f\u0924\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u093f\u0915\u0940 \u0925\u0940, \u0909\u0928 \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u092e\u0902\u0936\u093e \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0925\u0940 \u0914\u0930 \u0907\u0938 \u0938\u094d\u093f\u0902\u091f\u0917 \u0911\u092a\u0930\u0947\u0936\u0928 \u0938\u0947 \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0947 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u0947 \u092a\u093e\u0938 \u0907\u0924\u0928\u093e \u092a\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0915\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0938\u0947 \u0906\u092f\u093e, \u091c\u093f\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u093e \u092f\u0939 \u0906\u092a\u0930\u0947\u0936\u0928 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0914\u0930 \u0928\u0915\u0926 \u092a\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e, \u0907\u0928 \u0938\u092c \u0924\u0925\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0940.\u092c\u0940.\u0906\u0908. \u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u093e \u092a\u0942\u0930\u0940 \u0907\u0902\u0915\u094d\u0935\u093e\u092f\u0930\u0940 \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>MR. CHAIRMAN   <\/p>\n<p>Shrimati\u00a0 Sumitra Mahajan\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0&#8211;\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not speaking.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Shri Kharabela Swain to speak[R57]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN Mr. Chairman, Sir, when I came for the first time to Parliament, I received a very voluminous report. It was the report of the Ethics Committee. However, I do not know till now what the role of the Ethics Committee is, why it is constituted, and what it is supposed to do?\n<\/p>\n<p>Today, I will come to Bansal sahab\u2019s report. He has quoted in his report ethics, standards in public life, privileges, and facilities to Members and related matters. The last sentence of the second paragraph on page 30 of this report says:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSimilarly, acceptance of inducement and gratification by Members for putting Questions in the House or for creating commotion or opposition to any Bill, Resolution or matters submitted to the House or in a Committee thereof involves privilege and contempt proceedings.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: They only quoted it. It is not their opinion.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: It very categorically talks of \u2018acceptance, inducement and gratification by Members for putting Questions in the House\u2019. That means, this matter will have to go to the Privileges Committee. This has categorically been mentioned in the report submitted by the Inquiry Committee under the chairmanship of Shri Bansal.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My simple question is, does the mere presence of the Chairman of Privileges Committee on any other Committee ipso facto makes that other Committee become the Privileges Committee? No, it does not. So, if you go by the rule that any such allegation should only go to the Privileges Committee, this matter should have gone to the Privileges Committee.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: My friend, the Chairman of this Inquiry Committee, that is Mr. Bansal, happens to be the Chairman of the Privileges Committee also.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: That is exactly what I have just said, Sir. I said that the mere presence of the Chairman of the Privileges Committee on this Committee does not ipso facto transform this Committee into the Privileges Committee.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Yes. You go ahead.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: My second point is, what constitutes a breach of privilege. Practice and Procedure of Parliament by Kaul and Shakdher (page 256) says:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBreach of privilege means disregard of any of the rights, privileges, immunities either of an MP individually or of the House in its collective capacity.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: That word \u2018collective\u2019 is important.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Yes, that is exactly what I was saying. I would request you, Sir, to allow me to complete my statement.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Hon. Swain, sorry to interrupt you but I wish to tell you that nowhere in India privileges are defined in any statute. A privilege is still determined according to precedents. Privileges are codified nowhere in India. We follow the precedent of the British House of Commons. That is mentioned in our Constitution also.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Thank you, Sir.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It also says that after due inquiry, a breach of privilege is punished in the same way as courts of law punish for contempt of their dignity or authority. It clearly says, \u2018after due inquiry\u2019[KMR58]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hon. Kapil Sibal made a point that we are debating a limited issue here. He said that if we believe it prima facie, we could take a decision. But, Sir, does a decision mean only expulsion? Is there no provision for reprimand? Is there no provision for admonition? Is there no provision for suspension? Is expulsion the only action that we can take? Does it mean just that?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A point was made by hon. Gurudas Dasgupta as to why we did not object to the constitution of this Committee from the very beginning and why we did not insist in the very first instance that it should have gone to the Privileges Committee. He asked as to why are objecting it now, so late. That is because, we never expected that the Inquiry Committee will recommend that those Members should be expelled. We never expected it!  <\/p>\n<p>I was a civil servant for fifteen years. I now put a question. \u2026.(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: No questions and interruptions are allowed. Shri Swain can speak freely. Nobody will intervene.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Sir, take the example of Government officers. Some of them are even caught by the CBI, by the Vigilance and by the Income Tax Department. The fact that they are caught by any of these organisations means that there is a prima facie case established against them. In such cases, do the concerned Departments dismiss them from their jobs immediately? No. They are first put under suspension pending investigation. \u2026.(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: It will not go on record. Shri Swain, you continue. Questions asked by Members sitting in their seats will never go on record.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Sir, generally whenever aprima facie case is established against someone, the person is first suspended pending investigation. An investigation takes place. It takes its own time because they follow the due process of law. In the judiciary there is a certain thing called the \u2018due process of law\u2019. There is another term called the \u2018due procedure of law\u2019. These two things are very important. I am not a lawyer but there are eminent lawyers on the other side of the House and whenever they argue their cases, they talk about the \u2018due process of law\u2019.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It has been mentioned in the report that the Members were asked to see the text and put forward their objections to it, if any. The Members who took   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>__________________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>*Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>objection to it, did it on technical grounds. That means, they are saying that the tape has been doctored. But, the Members who have objected to it on technical grounds are not technical people. So, when they take objection to the tapes, how can they find out the technical defects in them? They require a technical person as their lawyer so that they can find out the defects and can say that at such and such place the tape has been doctored.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If hon. Kapil Sibal is arguing a case for a client, and at the very first instance, within ten minutes, if the judge says that the case is summarily dismissed, will he agree to that? No, he will not. That is the reason why so many cases are lying pending in courts for so many years. Why is it taking years together for so many cases in the country to be settled? So, should we take a holier than thou attitude in our case[KMR59]\u00a0[KMR60]\u00a0?\n<\/p>\n<p>Should we take it that in case of a common man, he will get all the opportunities but an MP will not get any opportunity to defend himself? That is why, I will just appeal to this Congress Party in this regard. I do not say that the Committee did not do the job. I am not saying so. The Committee did its job. I do not question the findings of the Bansal Committee. I am not questioning that. I do not doubt the authenticity of the charge also. I do not doubt that also. The only thing I say that the Committee did its job, but the Committee did not do its job sufficiently and adequately. Adequate opportunity has not been provided to the accused. It has not been provided by the Committee and not for the fault of the hon. Chairman of this Committee. I am not accusing him. He was given some time and he has given the Report. We merely say that the inquiry was not adequate and sufficient time should have been given.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I fully agree that it is merely looking into this. It will not serve the purpose. We cannot say that we are not hanging but we are merely expelling somebody. Do we say that\u00a0 hanging is a greater punishment than expelling a peoples\u2019 representative who has been elected by the people? I say that if anything like this happens to me, I would rather like to commit suicide. If I am being expelled from this House, if any such allegation is made against me, I would rather like to commit suicide. Let us not do that. I will make a very humble submission to the hon. Leader of the House and to Sonia ji not to take this as a prestige issue. More time should be provided. It should be sent to the Privileges Committee. Maybe, the Privileges Committee may also give the same decision. Everybody will accept it. The Heaven\u2019s are not going to fall if the punishment is meted out after two months or three months in the month of February when the Budget Session is going to be held. Most of the Members in this House have spoken cutting across the party lines. Somebody may speak something on party lines but individually each Member of this House has spoken the same way. You must have gauzed the mood of the House from how they started and what they said in between. That is why, I appeal that they should be given some more time.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I will just clarify one thing from Kaul and Shakdher. On page 286, it says under the heading Attempts by Improper Means to influence Members in their Parliamentary Conduct:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAny attempt to influence members by improper means in their parliamentary conduct is a breach of privilege. Thus, the offering to a member of a bribe or payment to influence him in his conduct as a member, or of any fee or reward in connection with the promotion of, or opposition, to any Bill, resolution, matter or thing, submitted or intended to be submitted to the House or any Committee thereof, has been treated as a breach of privilege.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In this case, the offer has been made by media to the MP. A bribe has been paid to the MP. Kindly treat it as it amounts to a breach of privilege of this House.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>SHRI UDAY SINGH\u00a0Mr. Chairman, Sir, it is a nightmare to be speaking on this subject, a nightmare that just refuses to go away. We are discussing expelling from this House our own Members for alleged acts of impropriety that they have committed.\n<\/p>\n<p> 16.25 hrs.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Mr. Speaker in the Chair)  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Before I go on, I would like to tell you that I am a first time Member and the last 20 months that I have been a Member here, have been a traumatic experience for me. I have come into the Parliament hoping to contribute to nation-building, hoping to contribute to improve the lot of my people in my own area. I was extremely happy that a person such as Dr. Manmohan Singh became our Prime Minister. But as I watched the formation of the Cabinet and as I watched the events thereafter, it has actually been a shattering experience that we have different yardsticks to measure what is proper and what is considered improper. A Cabinet which has Members within it, who are facing serious criminal charges in courts of law, that is not found to be improper. But a summary trial by a Committee, empowered Committee of the House based solely on one single evidence, which is the video tape, and then to come to a decision that we must now immediately expel ten Members of Parliament is something that I just do not understand.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me first clarify my party\u2019s position. When this expose was first shown on TV, I do not think that there was any delay whatsoever in our party taking appropriate action. Our party immediately suspended all the Members belonging to our party from the parliamentary party. We readily agreed with the suggestion of all Leaders that a Committee be formed. I think, you have acted in a manner which can only add to the dignity and prestige of this House. Therefore, to allege that we are in any way trying to undermine what the Committee has recommended is not true. Our Party is, in fact, a votary for strict action to be taken against anybody who in any way undermines the prestige of this august House. There is no division; there is no dispute on this.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0The spirit in which you, in the morning, advised us that this is a serious matter and this should not be politicised, should not become a \u2018free for all\u2019, the level of the debate must be kept higher, has unfortunately been violated. It has been violated by all sides. But very surprisingly it has been violated by the senior Ministers of the Government who have alleged one thing or the other against different political parties. This was not what you told us. Therefore, our only request to this House is that we fully appreciate and we fully are in agreement that any Member who has done in any way, an act which will take away the dignity of this House, must be punished. Our request is that before such a person is punished or persons are punished, they must be given an adequate opportunity to present their case. It is argued that this Committee did offer them that they could view the raw footage. We all appreciate that this Committee did not have either the technical competence or the legal competence to have gone into the technical and legal matters. Video tapes can be doctored. Today, I have heard that there is a news channel which is going to unmask video tapes of\u00a0 very senior leaders who are shown to be saying something which they have not and the channel claiming that these are mocks. We cannot have that. In a situation like this, when the technology allows us to doctor tapes, why are we in such a hurry that we take a step which is irretrievable[p61]\u00a0[p62]\u00a0?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I could understand if these Members were being suspended\u00a0 for a couple of months; the time would run out; and they would come back as Members to the House.\u00a0 Then, I personally, would not be insisting\u00a0 that it must go to the Privileges Committee because, okay, whatever the punishment the House has decided to give them, it will run out.\u00a0But the House is today discussing on a Motion, which will take away their Membership of this House permanently.\u00a0Before you sentence them permanently, before you give them a permanent punishment, they must be allowed to present their case in a manner that they feel is proper, in a time-bound manner.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0I do not think that Heavens are going to fall if\u00a0 a couple of weeks 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SPEAKER<\/a>: It is extremely sad.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%87%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0932\u093e\u0932 \u092e\u0941\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u094c\u092c\u0947 <\/a>: \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u093e \u0915\u0930 \u092a\u0930\u0916 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0907\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0915\u094d\u0935\u093e\u092f\u0930\u0940 \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u092c\u0924\u093e \u0926\u0947 \u0915\u093f \u090f\u092e\u092a\u0940\u0932\u0948\u0921 \u0915\u093e \u092a\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0915\u094c\u0928 \u0916\u093e \u091c\u093e\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0915\u094c\u0928 \u0915\u092e\u0940\u0936\u0928 \u0926\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0915\u094c\u0928 \u0932\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948? \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u090f\u0915 \u0935\u093e\u0915\u094d\u092f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092a\u0942\u0930\u093e \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0938\u0902\u0936\u094b\u0927\u0928 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u092b\u093e\u0908 \u0926\u0947\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092e\u093f\u0932\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> \u0926\u0942\u0938\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924, \u092d\u094d\u0930\u0937\u094d\u091f\u093e\u091a\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u092d\u094d\u0930\u0937\u094d\u091f\u093e\u091a\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u093e \u0935\u093f\u0930\u094b\u0927 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0915\u093e\u0924\u093f\u0932 \u0915\u0924\u094d\u0932 \u0915\u093e \u0935\u093f\u0930\u094b\u0927 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0924\u0938\u094d\u0915\u0930 \u0924\u0938\u094d\u0915\u0930\u0940 \u0915\u093e \u0935\u093f\u0930\u094b\u0927 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092f\u0939 \u0906\u091c \u0938\u0947 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948, \u0907\u0938\u0915\u093e \u0928\u092e\u0941\u0928\u093e \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u0967\u096f\u096c\u096d \u0938\u0947 \u092e\u093f\u0932\u0947\u0917\u093e\u0964 \u091c\u093f\u0938 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0949\u0930\u094d\u091c \u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0936\u094d\u0928 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e, \u091c\u093f\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u095c\u0947-\u092c\u095c\u0947 \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947, \u090f.\u0915\u0947. \u0917\u094b\u092a\u093e\u0932\u0928 \u091c\u0948\u0938\u0947 \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947 \u0939\u093f\u0938\u094d\u0938\u093e \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e, \u0909\u0938 \u0921\u093f\u092c\u0947\u091f \u0915\u094b \u092a\u0922\u093c\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u093e\u0930\u093e\u092f\u0923 \u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0938\u092d\u0940 \u0926\u0932\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0915\u0930\u094b\u095c\u094b\u0902 \u0930\u0942\u092a\u092f\u0947 \u0906\u0915\u0930 \u092c\u0902\u091f\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092f\u0947 \u0926\u0932 \u0935\u093f\u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0938\u0947 \u092a\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0932\u0947\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u092f\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0938\u0947 \u092a\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0932\u0947\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0924\u094b \u0935\u093f\u0926\u0947\u0936 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u092d\u093e\u0935\u093f\u0924 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924 \u0915\u0940 \u092c\u0928\u0940 \u092f\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902\u0964 \u0938\u092b\u093e\u0908 \u0926\u0947\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u0938\u092d\u0940 \u0915\u094b \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: You have taken more than eight minutes.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%AC%E0%A5%87%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0932\u093e\u0932 \u092e\u0941\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u094c\u092c\u0947 <\/a>: \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u0941\u091b \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0939 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0924\u094b \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u0915\u093e \u0928\u093e\u092e \u092d\u0940 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0932\u0947 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0938\u0947 \u092c\u095c\u093e \u0935\u0927\u093f-\u0935\u093f\u0936\u0947\u0937\u091c\u094d\u091e \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u0915\u094b \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0924\u093e 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\u0932\u093f\u0916\u093e\u0917\u094d\u091a\u094d\u0922\u0922\u0924\u094d\u0939\u0921\u094d\u0922\u096c\u0969\u091f \u0939\u0948\u00a0\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> \u0909\u0938 \u0932\u0947\u0916 \u0915\u0947 \u0915\u093e\u0930\u0923, \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0947\u0902 \u0932\u094b\u0915 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u0938\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0935\u093f\u0932\u0947\u091c \u0928\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0938 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0906\u092a \u0910\u0938\u093e \u0915\u0948\u0938\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u0916 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I should correct it. This is a wrong impression which is going around.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: You do not allow the Chair to speak. On that publication, an hon. Member had given a notice of privilege and as per the practice that notice was sent to the reporter for his comments.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>: \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0935\u0939\u0940 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: We did not take up any matter of privilege against him. It is being said that we had sent a notice of privilege.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>: \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0917\u0932\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u094b \u0917\u0908 \u0939\u0948, \u0924\u094b \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092e\u093e\u092b\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0909\u0928\u0915\u0947 \u0915\u092e\u0948\u0902\u091f\u094d\u0938 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0926\u0940 \u0917\u0908\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0 \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0907\u0938\u094d\u091f\u0948\u092c\u0932\u093f\u0936 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0935\u0939 \u0938\u094d\u093f\u0902\u091f\u0917 \u0906\u092a\u0930\u0947\u0936\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906 \u0917\u092f\u093e\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0 \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u094d\u0935\u0940\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: As soon as that notice was sent to them, both the correspondent and also the editor of The Hindustan Times, on their own, tendered their apology. We never asked them for apology. The matter was not even referred to the Privileges Committee. What he is saying is that it is because, a Privilege Committee notice was given.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0917\u095c\u092c\u095c \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928) Shri Bahal said that because he got a letter from there, that is why he made that sting operation.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: We forwarded that letter from an hon. Member to him for his comments.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>: \u0909\u0928\u0915\u093e \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0915\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902\u0915\u093f \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u0928\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0938 \u0917\u092f\u093e, \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0935\u0939 \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u0920\u0940\u0915 \u0939\u0948, \u092c\u094b\u0932\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: I only wanted to correct the records.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0938\u093f\u0930\u094d\u092b \u092f\u0939\u0940 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0939\u092e \u0938\u093e\u0902\u0938\u0926 \u0907\u0924\u0928\u093e \u092a\u0930\u093f\u0936\u094d\u0930\u092e \u0915\u0930\u0915\u0947 \u091c\u0940\u0924\u0915\u0930 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0906\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u092f\u0939 \u092e\u0940\u0921\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0930\u093f\u092f\u093e\u0938\u0924 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\u00a0 \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u2018\u0906\u091c \u0924\u0915\u2019 \u0928\u0947 \u0926\u093f\u0916\u093e\u092f\u093e, \u092b\u093f\u0930 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u2018\u0938\u094d\u091f\u093e\u0930 \u0928\u094d\u092f\u0942\u091c\u2019 \u0926\u093f\u0916\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e! \u0939\u092e \u0924\u094b \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0917\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>: \u0910\u0938\u093e \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0935\u0947 \u0914\u0930 \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u0938\u094d\u093f\u0902\u091f\u0917 \u0906\u092a\u0930\u0947\u0936\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0924\u0948\u092f\u093e\u0930 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\u00a0 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u0926\u093f\u0935\u093e\u0938\u0940 \u0939\u0942\u0902, \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> \u092e\u0927\u094d\u092f \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0926\u0947\u0936 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u090f\u0915 \u0906\u0926\u093f\u0935\u093e\u0938\u0940 \u0938\u0947 \u091c\u091c \u0928\u0947 \u092b\u093e\u0907\u0928\u0932 \u0939\u093f\u092f\u0930\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0938\u0935\u093e\u0932 \u092a\u0942\u091b\u093e\u0964 \u0909\u0938 \u0906\u0926\u093f\u0935\u093e\u0938\u0940 \u0915\u0947 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SPEAKER<\/a>: They are a very important segment of our population. We respect them and they have support from us. It does not mean that we can misuse this.\n<\/p>\n<p>SHRI JUAL ORAM\u00a0: What has Shri Lal Chandra Kol said in his evidence before the Committee on 18th December, 2005? I am quoting:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat has been shown in the video is not true. Actually, the money which I have shown as accepting in the video is my money which I had given to one Shri Saligram Dubey who is from my village for buying seeds.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e\u00a0 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u093e\u0932\u093f\u0917 \u0930\u093e\u092e \u0926\u0942\u092c\u0947 \u0938\u0947 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0935\u093e\u0932\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947 \u092a\u0942\u091b\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0939 \u0938\u091a \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u092f\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902? \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u093e\u0932\u093f\u0917 \u0930\u093e\u092e \u0926\u0942\u092c\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0939\u093f\u092f\u0930\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0939\u0941\u0908? Then he said further, \u201cHe is returning me that money which has been shown in the video in a distorted manner. 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SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 That will be deleted.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>: \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f * &#8230; \u0906\u092a \u0939\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0915\u0938\u094d\u091f\u094b\u0921\u093f\u092f\u0928 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0917\u0932\u0924\u0940 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u0915\u092e\u094d\u092a\u0932\u0947\u0902\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0935\u093e\u0932\u0947 \u0915\u094b* &#8230; \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0906\u092a \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u0920\u0940\u0915 \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>______________________________________________________________  <\/p>\n<p>*Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Very well.\u00a0I will leave the Chair now.\u00a0 Let some other hon. Member occupy the Chair when this type of an allegation is made against the Chair. Shri Jual Oram,\u00a0 your Party has not given your name.\u00a0 Is this the way to speak?\u00a0 This is too much.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Please sit down.\u00a0 I had made an appeal in the morning.\u00a0\u00a0 Individual hon. Member of every Party is entitled to hold his view and is entitled to express his view without any problem.\u00a0 The only thing is that we should maintain a proper dignity because this is a very vital issue.\u00a0\u00a0 I do not think that Lok Sabha has faced this type of a situation of this magnitude and this scale in the past.\u00a0Several hon. Members spoke in an undesired manner.\u00a0 I have ignored it and I have not expressed any view about any Member.\u00a0 I have been guided by all the Leaders together and I have discussed with them everyday and on every occasion which had something to do with this matter.\u00a0 I can only say that it is very unfortunate that allegations are made against me openly.\u00a0I do not know what will be the present status of Lok Sabha.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Shri Prabhunath Singh, please try to be as brief as possible.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u092d\u0941\u0928\u093e\u0925 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0928\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u093e \u091c\u094b \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0935 \u0932\u093e\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0909\u0938 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VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, this is highly objectionable. \u092f\u0939 \u0920\u0940\u0915 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092f\u0947 \u0915\u0939 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u092f\u0939 \u0936\u094b\u092d\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0926\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u094b \u0928\u093f\u0930\u094d\u0923\u092f \u0938\u0947 \u0905\u0932\u0917 \u0915\u0930 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e\u0964 \u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e-\u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0941\u0906 \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u092c\u0924\u093e\u0928\u093e \u0936\u0941\u0930\u0942 \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902 \u0924\u094b \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u094b\u0917\u093e\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 It is okay.\u00a0You have given your view.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A6%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u092e\u094b\u0939\u092e\u094d\u092e\u0926 \u0938\u0932\u0940\u092e <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0926\u0942\u0938\u0930\u093e \u092c\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0941 \u092f\u0939 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0915\u0941\u091b \u0905\u0927\u093f\u0915 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u0947\u0915\u0930 \u0914\u0930 \u0935\u0915\u0940\u0932 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094b\u0936\u093f\u0936 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 You do not have to go into the details.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%A6%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AE%20\">\u092e\u094b\u0939\u092e\u094d\u092e\u0926 \u0938\u0932\u0940\u092e <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0901 \u0915\u093f \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u092c\u0948\u0920\u0915\u0930 \u092f\u0939 \u0924\u092f \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u092c \u092c\u0941\u0932\u093e\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0915\u093f\u0924\u0928\u093e \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u0947\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0909\u0938 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092d\u0940 \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u092f\u0939 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u090f\u0915 \u0918\u0923\u094d\u091f\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902, \u0926\u094b \u0918\u0923\u094d\u091f\u0947 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f, \u0926\u094b \u0926\u093f\u0928 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0938\u093e\u0924 \u0926\u093f\u0928 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u0924\u092f \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u0941\u091b \u0938\u092e\u092f \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u0932\u0947\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0901, \u091c\u092c \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0936\u094d\u0928 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0925\u093e \u0924\u094b \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e \u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0905\u092c \u0907\u0924\u0928\u0947 \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0936\u094d\u0928 \u092a\u0942\u091b\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u091c\u0930\u0942\u0930\u0924 \u0939\u0948? \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0906\u091c \u092f\u0939 \u091c\u094b \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0915\u093f \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0936\u094d\u0928 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092a\u0942\u091b\u0947 \u0917\u090f, \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0915\u0930 \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u0906\u0936\u094d\u091a\u0930\u094d\u092f \u0939\u094b\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PROF.%20VIJAY%20KUMAR%20MALHOTRA%20\">PROF. VIJAY KUMAR MALHOTRA <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, it is totally wrong.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Your statement is recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Shri Pranab Mukherjee please.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=THE%20MINISTER%20OF%20DEFENCE%20\">THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20PRANAB%20MUKHERJEE\">SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE<\/a>):\u00a0 Mr. Speaker, Sir, at the very outset\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, do you allow, in this House, the internal happenings of a Committee to be discussed here?\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 No.\u00a0But because he spoke as a Member, he referred to certain things.\u00a0 He has given it.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 That is also provided in the procedure that he will clarify.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 But you say that \u2018it is not correct\u2019, that is recorded.\u00a0 I have got it recorded.\u00a0 You are saying this is wrong.\u00a0 It should be recorded.\u00a0 Malhotra ji said, \u2018It is wrong\u2019.\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=THE%20MINISTER%20OF%20DEFENCE%20\">THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20PRANAB%20MUKHERJEE\">SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE<\/a>): Mr. Speaker, Sir, at the very outset, I would like to express my gratitude to all the hon. Members who have participated in this debate and have made their contribution.\u00a0Sir, I would not like to respond to each and every issue because at the very beginning when I moved the motion, I pointed out that I move this motion with a heavy heart because the responsibilities which we are discharging and the duty which we are performing right now, is really a very painful duty.\u00a0 All of us would have been very happy if the situation did not arise and it would have not gone to the extent where we have to take certain decisions like this[a67]\u00a0.\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p> 17.00 hrs.  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would like to make one point quite clear. From the very beginning, from the morning of 12th December, at every stage, whatever steps were taken or even before taking, whatever steps were contemplated, you were good enough to share your ideas and thoughts with the leaders of all the political parties, including me. Therefore, it would be unfair on anyone of us to point out that a decision was taken by the Speaker. Somebody may raise the question whether the decision was correct or incorrect. I am not going into the merit of that. But the decisions were taken in consultation with the leaders. I remember correctly \u2013 if I am incorrect, somebody may correct me \u2013 that we even discussed as to how much time will be given to the persons concerned to give explanation. Some suggestions were made to the effect that we should ask them to give their explanation today itself, right now. It was suggested that we should telephone them and get the explanation from them. But we suggested that at least 24 hours time should be given to them because some of them may not be readily available here and so we should contact them over phone. It was decided that if a person is not available, a communication should be sent to him and a certain time was fixed for getting explanation from them. After the explanations were received from the concerned hon. Members, the Committee started its work. All of us are experienced in the functioning of committees. For functioning of committees, certain procedures have been laid down in the Rules. For ad-hoc committees like this, either you determine the Terms of Reference or the committee or you allow the committee to determine its own procedure, as you did in this instant case. The Committee evolved its own procedure and as per that procedure they conducted the business. It could have been raised at that point of time saying that the whole matter appears to be a gross breach of privilege of the House, that it is contempt of the House and so let the matter be referred to the Privileges Committee. Nobody could have prevented it. It could have been done at that very stage.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I am again saying that all of us felt that an atmosphere has been created where the whole institution and its credibility is being challenged and as people belonging to the institution we should try to do something to repair the damage as fast as possible \u2013 I am repeating, as fast as possible. Therefore, it was not correct to say that the Committee did it so fast and not much time was given. But, yes, we did not prescribe in which way they would do the work.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, you may recollect that even an hon. Member from that side and many Members from this side said: \u201cNo, we would like to suspend all business and let us discuss the issue right now.\u201d That was the demand made on the floor of the House, but you tactfully carried on the business of the House. Therefore, this has to be kept in view. In hindsight we may think about that. After all, 10 days have passed.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The mood on that day was that quite a few of the hon. Members wanted to discuss the issue on the floor of the House. Today we are in a better position. We have a report. Some of our colleagues had interaction with them and got their views. I am pointing it out, even taking the risk of repetition, that we did not follow the procedure of criminal jurisprudence, Criminal Procedure Code was not the guideline. We applied our common sense, our sense of natural justice and on the basis of that, taking the cue from the Mudgal matter and also the precedent which happened in the case of privilege.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, during the debate which took place on the floor of this House, one hon. Member was looking at various articles of the Constitution. In the articles of the Constitution, expulsion of Members has not been mentioned, but in the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business, there is a provision[k68]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>That [r69]\u00a0provision is that if the House comes to the conclusion that somebody is responsible for bringing disrepute to the House by his or her conduct, the House can take the decision. It is for the House.\u00a0 Whatever decision you want to take, you can take.\u00a0 This is not a party matter.\u00a0 There is no question of any party\u2019s interest or non-interest because collectively we thought that we must take certain steps, which will restore the dignity of the House.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, there will be implications, there may be implications.\u00a0 Every action has its own reaction.\u00a0 But that does not prevent us from taking any action.\u00a0 What the judiciary will do, what the outside people will do are all matters of conjuncture.\u00a0 But within the framework of the rules, within the framework of the practice and the precedent, I must compliment that whatever the Committee has done, the Committee has done a good job within the limited time and constraints available to them.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would not like to prolong my observation, Mr. Speaker Sir, but I would like to comment on one point.\u00a0 All the speakers, who spoke today, may have differences about procedure.\u00a0 They may have difference about the action, at what point of time will have to be taken, but none of the hon. Members, who have participated, said that action should not be taken.\u00a0 There may be differences and those differences may be procedural.\u00a0 But here I must, most respectfully submit and request the hon. Members, to remember a few lines of wasteland from T.S. Eliot   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0 \u201cshape without form, shade without colour, paralysed force, gesture without motion.\u201d &#8211; let us not stand on farm alone.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let us not go to the format, let us not go to the form, let us go to the substance, let once again this House assert its right and try to vindicate the prestige, honour and dignity of the sovereign Parliament.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Now, I will put the Amendment moved by Prof. Vijay Kumar Malhotra to the vote of the House.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20The%20question%20is\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat in the motion,&#8211;\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 for\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201caccepts the findings of the Committee that the conduct of the ten Members of Lok Sabha, namely, Shri Narendra Kumar Kushwaha, Shri Annasaheb M.K. Patil, Shri Manoj Kumar, Shri Y.G. Mahajan, Shri Pradeep Gandhi, Shri Suresh Chandel, Shri Ramsevak Singh, Shri Lal Chandra Kol, Shri Rajaram Pal and Shri Chandra Pratap Singh was unethical and unbecoming of Members of Parliament and their continuance as Members of Lok Sabha is untenable and resolves that they may be expelled from the membership of Lok Sabha.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>substitute\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201cresolves that the matter be referred to the Committee of Privileges, Lok Sabha.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>The amendment was negatived.\n<\/p>\n<p>SHRI L.K. ADVANI Mr. Speaker Sir, this is a sad occasion and I am among those who have always held that in public life if there are any instances of unbecoming conduct of corruption they have to be punished.\u00a0Therefore, I am in full agreement with what the Leader of the House has just said.\u00a0 He has expressed satisfaction that everyone, who spoke, including the mover of the motion, has been talking at the most expressing reservations about procedure, not about the need to punish any unbecoming conduct or corruption.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I heard Sibalji also fully.\u00a0 His stress was that unbecoming conduct on the part of a Member should be punished.\u00a0 I am not going to cite instances of unbecoming conduct which do not need a Television camera or photograph to make us realise that this is unbecoming conduct and if for that we give a punishment of this kind, would it be justified?\u00a0 I am not going to cite instances.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Only the other day, I was told, how many Members have let out their garages or houses on rent.\u00a0 It is highly unbecoming conduct.\u00a0 In a way, I would say, that I saw the Television myself that day, part of it, at least and which made me react immediately that all of those who belong to my Party should be suspended immediately[r70]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n<p>It was my spontaneous reaction.\u00a0 Therefore, even if we come to that conclusion, that is all right; we could have come to the conclusion.\u00a0 I only plead that if unbecoming conduct merits, what in Parliamentary parlance can be called capital punishment, it is right?\u00a0 It is this precedence we are setting that even for any unbecoming conduct, in these cases, I say that I could see that it was corruption which was there.\u00a0 But, more than that, it was stupidity.\u00a0 It was stupidity that they accepted that these are NGOs.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KAPIL%20SIBAL%20\">SHRI KAPIL SIBAL <\/a>: How can you say that? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Let us not prolong this.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20L.K.%20ADVANI%C2%A0%20\">SHRI L.K. ADVANI\u00a0 <\/a>:At least in some cases, it seems plea of stupidity that they fell for the lure, they fell for the sting operation.\u00a0 Therefore, I feel that the punishment, this proposal is going to give to them, is not at all commensurate with their offence.\u00a0 They have committed an offence, but it is not commensurate.\u00a0Therefore, I cannot associate myself with the final adoption of the motion.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p> 17.22 hrs .\n<\/p>\n<p>(At this stage, Shri L.K. Advani and some other  <\/p>\n<p>hon. Members left the House.)  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Nothing else will be recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions)*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Let us respect each other.\u00a0 What is this?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BRAJA%20KISHORE%20TRIPATHY%20\">SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: We will not be a party to these things.\u00a0 It is because it is a sensitive matter and again there is a question of corruption, the House should be unanimous.\u00a0The House should not be divided.\u00a0But, it seems that the House is divided. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Please.\u00a0 You have a right to take your decision.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BRAJA%20KISHORE%20TRIPATHY%20\">SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: The House is divided.\u00a0 We cannot be a party to it.\u00a0 So, we are abstaining from the voting.\u00a0 We cannot support it.\u00a0 We are boycotting the division of the House.\u00a0 We cannot be a party to these things.\u00a0 It is because the House is divided, we cannot support the motion \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p> 17.23 hrs .\n<\/p>\n<p>(At this stage, Shri Braja Kishore Tripathy and some other  <\/p>\n<p>hon. Members left the House.)  <\/p>\n<p>*Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. 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