{"id":130162,"date":"2007-11-28T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-11-27T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-regarding-indo-us-nuclear-agreement-discussion-on-28-november-2007"},"modified":"2018-10-22T19:20:03","modified_gmt":"2018-10-22T13:50:03","slug":"discussion-regarding-indo-us-nuclear-agreement-discussion-on-28-november-2007","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-regarding-indo-us-nuclear-agreement-discussion-on-28-november-2007","title":{"rendered":"Discussion Regarding Indo-Us Nuclear Agreement (Discussion … on 28 November, 2007"},"content":{"rendered":"
Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n
Discussion Regarding Indo-Us Nuclear Agreement (Discussion … on 28 November, 2007<\/div>\n<\/p>\n
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Title<\/a>:  Discussion regarding Indo-US Nuclear Agreement (Discussion concluded)  <\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: We will, of course, continue the discussion on the Supplementary  Demands for Grants (General) tomorrow.   <\/p>\n
We  will now take up the discussion under Rule 193 on the Indo-US Nuclear  Agreement.\u00a0\u00a0 Hon. Members, it  is a very important matter and I am sure the debate will be of a very high  order.\u00a0 I would request all the hon.  Members and the Leaders to see to it that this is discussed with proper  importance and dignity.\u00a0 I would  request that Heads of foreign friendly Governments should not be referred to in  the discussion.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hon. Members, the discussion on the Indo-US Nuclear Agreement has been  admitted in the names of Shri P. Karunakaran and Shri Rupchand Pal.\u00a0 Shri P. Karunakaran has since requested  me to allow Shri Rupchand Pal to raise the discussion on his behalf.\u00a0 I have acceded to his request.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, Shri Rupchand Pal.\n<\/p>\n
\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b.  \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>(\u0926\u0915\u094d\u0937\u093f\u0923 \u0926\u093f\u0932\u094d\u0932\u0940<\/a>): \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947  \u091c\u094b \u0915\u0939\u093e, \u0935\u0939 \u092c\u093f\u0932\u094d\u0915\u0941\u0932 \u0920\u0940\u0915 \u0939\u0948, \u092a\u0930 \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u090f\u0917\u094d\u0930\u0940\u092e\u0947\u0902\u091f \u0939\u0941\u0906 \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u091a\u0930\u094d\u091a\u093e \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e 193 \u0915\u0947  \u0905\u0928\u094d\u0924\u0930\u094d\u0917\u0924 \u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u092f\u0947\u0964 \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0938\u093f\u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u0902\u0938 \u0925\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0930\u0942\u0932 184 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091a\u0930\u094d\u091a\u093e \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f, \u091c\u093f\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902  \u0935\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0939\u094b…( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)  It is for you to decide on the issue.\u00a0 I thought that I can just tell this point.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 I have already given my  ruling and it was accepted by the hon. Leader of the  Opposition.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  MOHAN RAWALE <\/a>(MUMBAI SOUTH CENTRAL<\/a>):\u00a0 Sir, I have a point of order.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 What is your point of  order?\n<\/p>\n
\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940  \u092e\u094b\u0939\u0928 \u0930\u093e\u0935\u0932\u0947 <\/a>: \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947  \u0930\u0942\u0932 253 \u0915\u0947 \u092e\u0941\u0924\u093e\u092c\u093f\u0915 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092a\u093e\u0907\u0902\u091f \u0911\u092b \u0911\u0930\u094d\u0921\u0930 \u0932\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 I  am not going to challenge you, Sir.\n<\/p>\n
\u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u092c\u094b\u0932\u093f\u092f\u0947,  \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u092a\u093e\u0907\u0902\u091f \u0911\u092b \u0911\u0930\u094d\u0921\u0930 \u0939\u0948?\n<\/p>\n
\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940  \u092e\u094b\u0939\u0928 \u0930\u093e\u0935\u0932\u0947 <\/a>: \u0905\u092d\u0940  \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u090a\u092a\u0930 \u091c\u094b \u0932\u0940\u0917\u0932 \u0915\u0902\u091f\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0935\u0930\u094d\u0938\u0940 \u091f\u094d\u0930\u0940\u091f\u0940 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0939\u0941\u0908 \u0939\u0948, \u0905\u092d\u0940 \u0924\u0915 \u0924\u094b \u0915\u092d\u0940 \u092d\u0940 \u0915\u0902\u091f\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0935\u0930\u094d\u0938\u0940  \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0941\u0908 \u0925\u0940, \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0908 \u0926\u0947\u0936\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0915\u0940\u0902\u0964 \u0905\u092d\u0940 \u092f\u0947 \u0938\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0935\u093f\u0925\u0921\u094d\u0930\u093e \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0925\u0947,  \u0938\u0930\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0917\u093f\u0930\u093e\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u091c\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0925\u0947, \u092e\u0947\u0930\u0940 \u0906\u092a\u0938\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u0928\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948, I  am not going to challenge you, Sir. \u0907\u0938  \u092a\u0930 \u090f\u0915 \u0932\u0940\u0917\u0932 \u0913\u092a\u093f\u0928\u093f\u092f\u0928 \u092d\u0940 \u0926\u0940 \u0917\u0908 \u0939\u0948, \u091c\u094b \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u0940.\u092c\u0940. \u0938\u093e\u0935\u0902\u0924 \u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964\u201cThe  Union Executive has no authority to enter into a bilateral treaty unless it is  ratified by the Parliament.\u201d   <\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 I\u00a0 am sorry.\u00a0 This is not a matter for a point of  order.\u00a0 When you would be speaking,  you may make the statement and speak on it.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 You know that it is not a  point of order.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>(HOOGLY<\/a>): Sir, at long last, this august House has got an  opportunity to discuss a very very important deal, the Indo-US Civil Nuclear  Cooperation Deal.\u00a0 It has a serious  bearing on the future of this country, its economy, its relationship with other  countries, its nuclear programme and its energy security.\u00a0 It is good that we are discussing it  today and we are thankful to you, Sir, the Leaders of the Government and all the  concerned that this opportunity at last is given to us.\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the last Session, we have been insisting on such a discussion on this  important deal but we had been denied of it because of interruptions by the main  Opposition.\u00a0 We could well  understand the reason as they continued to be confused about their stand  vis-\u00e0-vis the Nuclear Deal.\u00a0\u00a0 Firstly, it is they who had initiated it and the hon. Prime Minister had  very rightly mentioned, when the delegation of the BJP met him, that it is your  baby.\u00a0 But they want to put the  ownership of the baby in a different language.\u00a0 What is the language going to be?\u00a0 We will come to know of it because  different voices are being heard on it.\u00a0 One is by Shri\u00a0 L.K. Advani,  the hon .Leader of the Opposition who, at a point, said, \u201cNo, no.\u00a0 We are in full agreement with the deal.\u201d   <\/p>\n
\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b.  \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e <\/a>: \u0906\u092a  \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u0902\u0921 \u0915\u094d\u0932\u093f\u092f\u0930 \u0915\u0930\u094b\u0964…( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: Now some Opposition Leaders are writing articles and making  speeches.\u00a0 They are speaking in  different voices.\u00a0 According to the  BJP, they have no objection to the strategic alliance with the US and 14 rounds  of secret discussio[MSOffice38]\u00a0ns  have taken place.\n<\/p>\n
Fourteen  rounds of discussions have taken place between Shri Jaswant Singh and Mr. Strobe  Talbott.\u00a0 Of course, they took place  in different places and most of them were secret discussions.\u00a0\u00a0 I demand from the Government what  have been the issues that have come out in the latest book \u201cEngaging India\u201d by  Mr. Strobe Talbott who tells us a lot of things that without the concurrence of  the Government, without taking into account the national consensus about our  foreign policy, without taking into account our national interests, certain  commitments have been made. As it happened for their wrong economic policies,  the claim for India shining when India was suffering, the people had put them in  right place.\u00a0 So, also when people  come to know about their position vis- a- vis their surrender to the US  pressures people will react similarly.\u00a0 But we expected something different from the UPA..\u00a0 When the Common Minimum Programme was  being framed, at that point of time, might be that some suggestion had come  about \u2013the strategic relations with the United States and the Left had  categorically stated `no\u2019.\u00a0 The Left  cannot be a party to it.\u00a0 So, there  was a demarcation of the UPA vis-a-vis its independent foreign policy and  the policy of the previous NDA Government which had a definite tilt towards US  for a strategic alliance which by now is revealed in more than one  document.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, when the Government, the hon. Prime Minister, had come out with a  joint statement on 18th of July, 2005, even at the very beginning,  the Left had expressed certain apprehensions.\u00a0 It is not that overnight the Left woke  up and said, `no\u2019, we cannot agree to it. If you go without our consultation,  and as we are a supporting partner, we cannot be a party to it.\u00a0\u00a0 We say that we cannot be a party  to it. We have serious reservations in respect of various provisions in the 123  Agreement itself.\u00a0 Then, on the  basis of that there have been certain discussions. We have raised nine points  relating to the Deal where we differ and we have serious reservations vis-\u00e0-vis the Draft.\u00a0 The  hon. Prime Minister in August gave some assurances.\u00a0 Then in 2006, December came the Henry  Hyde Act which was reconciliation between the two earlier drafts.\u00a0 What came out, how to give the  exemption, what sort of waiver should be given in the US Atomic Energy Act, 1954  etc.\u00a0   <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, under the leadership of Henry Hyde, a Draft was prepared and after  the Left came to know of the provisions in the Draft, they made it clear to the  Government that there were the nine areas where the Left had objection and the  nation need to be reassured by the Government on these.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In August, the hon. Prime  Minister came out with assurances on all those points.\u00a0 But to our dismay, we found that in the  Hyde Act of December, 2006, most of the important assurances given by the hon.  Prime Minister on the floor of the House were trampled and ignored.\u00a0 This was in relation to technology  transfer, in relation to fuel supply, in relation to congruence of Indian  foreign policy with the US foreign policy, specific reference to Iran,  un-interrupted fuel supply and on very many other issues.\u00a0 We shall come to that one by one.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
The  hon. Prime Minister had categorically stated one thing – the nuclear cycle in  its entirety,\u00a0 This is very  important.[a39]\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
But  we found that it was selective. It was selective even in respect of lifting of  the sanctions. Transfer of sensitive technology as well as transfer of dual use  technology was denied. The Government claims that from a regime of technology  denial, we are entering into the mainstream global nuclear arena; we are a  recognised nuclear power also. But that was not so. It is not only in respect of  the technology transfer but also in the case of fuel supply, the assurance given  was very vague. We have the experience of Tarapur. We found that there was no  assurance regarding uninterrupted fuel supply. This was taken up again and  again. The Government is trying to say:- \u201cNo. There is an assurance.\u201d\u00a0 Even in the case of termination, what  will happen? There is a termination clause. What is the termination clause? In  case the Government of India goes in for a nuclear explosion, then the  termination can take place. The termination can take place for various other  reasons and extraneous reasons directly unrelated to the civilian nuclear energy  also. In the case of a termination of the agreement, the fuel supply, the  reactors, equipment and everything will have to be returned. Although there is a  clause on which the Government is trying to argue by saying: \u201c No. In that case,  the US is saying that it will help us to take corrective measures\u201d, yet you if  relate the 123 Agreement to the Hyde Act.\u00a0 It is something else.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The relationship between these two is important.\u00a0 Would we find that only the US Congress  can grant the permanent waiver and just condone you.\u00a0 The Hyde Act specifically mentions that  the US will stop any other country from providing the fuel supply in such a  scenario termination of the agreement. That means, you are nowhere. That is the  issue that we have been making. Canards have been spread saying that we are  doing it at the behest of China; we are doing it for that and we are doing it  for this. So, canards have been spread. Is it not wise to ask whether our  nuclear reactors will have uninterrupted fuel supply? What is the  guarantee?\u00a0 You are going for the  agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency in perpetuity. But nuclear  fuel supply is not going to be in perpetuity. It is conditional. Is it not wise  to ask this question? The whole gamut of the fuel issue, these extraneous issues  are there. Our patriotism is being questioned. We have the\u00a0 past experience also.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Several times, the Communists have been charged saying that they are  unpatriotic. But history says something else.\u00a0 In the party there are some best men and  women of the country who sacrificed most for the freedom of this land, who  suffered most for 30-40 years in jail, some of whom have been Members of this  House. We have made suggestions about settlement\u00a0 Indo-China border. We had said that it  should not be resolved by an armed conflict but by dialogue. The Government is  now doing it. Many others believe that this is the right way. For making our  suggestion, we are accused. Today also when we are saying the right thing, we  are being abused like anything. But we are not going to take it lying down. We  are asking: \u201cWhat about your uninterrupted fuel supply?\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, I am coming to all the nine points given by the hon. Prime Minister.  What will happen to our strategic autonomy?[R40]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If we look into the speeches prior to this agreement, we do find that it  had started long back during the talks between Shri Jaswant Singh and Mr. Strobe  Talbott. They talked about military exchange, strategic alliance and to have a  new regional architecture in Asia to contain China and very categorically in a  writing very recently published it is being said by no less a person than the  Chief Interlocutor Mr. Nicolas Burns that it is an age of anti-Americanism. Yes,  throughout Latin America, countries like Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Ecuador and  Bolivia, Venezuela are opposing the United States of America. Look at the world,  Russia is standing up against any threat which it could not do a few years back.  It is a changed world. Even inside America, – I am not naming \u2013 the present  President is the most hated person amongst Americans.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: It need not be said like that.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: Sir, I have not named anybody.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: All right, but let us discuss with dignity.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: Sir, India under NDA cooperated with them in Iraq. Some others  have also done in other parts of the world. In the United Kingdom, those who  have supported America have gone out of power, in Australia also they have gone  out of power and in Japan also they have gone. So, this is the age of  anti-Americanism. This is the admission made by Mr. Nicolas Burns and in this  age, what is required? What is required, according to that article of Nicholas  Burns, is that in Asia, US must have a new regional architecture, new military  status, naval exercises, new friends and it is being said in the same article  that \u201cUS is only just beginning to realize the benefits of this relationship for  its interests in South and East Asia\u201d. So, you can well understand the  situation.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, why are the \u2018Henrys\u2019 of America losing their sleep? I am not naming  anyone. Mr. Henry Hyde has done the job elsewhere and some other \u2018Henrys\u2019 are  coming here, meeting the people in the Government, meeting the Opposition  leaders and all that. Once in a millennium one benefactor has come, losing his  sleep. We are questioning the Agreement and saying that we are not going to be  benefited by it. They say, \u2018No, it is in your benefit\u2019, although we know it is  in their benefit. Repeatedly it is being said that it is in their benefit for  creating a new regional architecture in Asia. For a new Asian NATO, they need  India. Once they wanted to balance Pakistan and India, there was talk of  composite dialogue and all that, I am not going into that here. But now they  want India. What do they say? The July statement says that the Indo-US Nuclear  Deal is one part of it. They say there will be collaboration in the fields of  agriculture, education, economy, politics, military and it is a total package  and in the midst of the total package, there is one deal. In the language of Mr.  Nicolas Burns, it is the centerpiece. That is not all. So, they want us to  ignore our independent foreign policy. They are openly saying that non-alignment  is an old thing and telling us to leave it. Again and again they are telling us  not to go in support of Iran. They want us to ignore Iran and unfortunately we  have been doing it. Twice India voted against Iran in the International Atomic  Energy Agency.[R41]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0[r42]\u00a0Our  Indian delegation was amazed by the directive that had come from the top  quarters.\u00a0 How is it?\u00a0 Our friend is Iran.\u00a0 Civilisational contacts are there.\u00a0 On the Republic day in recent past, we  had an honoured guest from Iran. We have our relationship.\u00a0 We depend so much on our oil supply from  Iran.\u00a0 Why should we ignore  them?\u00a0 But we did.\u00a0 In nine references, Hyde Act says,  \u2018India, you are going to be rewarded and Iran is not behaving properly, they are  going to be punished.\u00a0 Help us to  punish Iran\u2019.\u00a0 Is it the way, Indian  should pursue its independent foreign policy?\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it the legacy we had from our Freedom Struggle \u2013 a well tested  Non-aligned Policy on the basis of a national consensus?\u00a0 It is a new multi-polar world,  unilateralism is not working anymore.\u00a0 It has been admitted by Nicholas Burns day by day that they are getting  isolated. At such a time, India should stand by America and isolate themselves,  at their dictate.\u00a0 We should refrain  from undertaking the Iran-Pakistan-India Gas project on their instance India had  voted against Iran as asked by us.\u00a0 It is very unfortunate.\n<\/p>\n
This  is not simply a vision of an independent foreign policy, it affects our  strategic programme also. The hon. Prime Minister\u2019s argument is that Indian  economy is growing like anything, nine per cent or nine-and-a-half per  cent.\u00a0 They can go on saying any  figure because it has nothing to do with the livelihood common people.\u00a0 Even his Cabinet Minister has admitted  that this growth, this percentage is not reflected amongst the people.\u00a0 As per their own report more than 70 per  cent of the people of India are living on Rs.20 a day.\n<\/p>\n
In  the perspective for growth, we need more energy.\u00a0 Who can deny it?\u00a0 The Left is not denying it.\u00a0 Have they any policy?\u00a0 The only policy document they have got  is the Eleventh Plan Mr. Parikh Document on Integrated Energy Policy.\u00a0 There what they have said.\u00a0 Have they got any vision?\u00a0 They have said Nuclear Power Projections  by 2020, 2030 and so many things.\u00a0 Have they got any national policy on the energy mix?\u00a0 How do you calculate this? What is the  study? What is the analysis? What is the cost of imported reactor?\u00a0 Nothing has been done and suddenly comes  the nuclear renaissance.\u00a0 We cannot  miss the bus. Bus to which end, to what goal, whose goal?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
Nuclear  renaissance is a hype. In America itself, no nuclear plant has been set up for  30 years since Three Mile Island disaster.\u00a0 They are depending, Westinghouse GE, etc. and all other nuclear  companies, on outside sales only.\u00a0 Even the international document says that Nuclear Power is now 16 per  cent of global electricity consumption.\u00a0 It is an international body.\u00a0 If you want, I can read it.\u00a0 In this our Rev. Pachauri Saheb \u0938\u092e\u094d\u092e\u093e\u0928\u093f\u0924 \u092a\u091a\u094c\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u093e\u0939\u092c, \u091c\u094b \u0915\u093f \u0928\u094b\u092c\u0947\u0932 \u0932\u0949\u0930\u093f\u090f\u091f  \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0909\u0928\u0915\u0940 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0939\u0948, \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0921\u0940 \u0917\u094d\u0930\u0941\u092a \u0915\u0940 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0939\u0948 \u00a0that it is only 16 per cent and with the  best endeavour you can reach at 18 per cent. \u0915\u094d\u0932\u093e\u0907\u092e\u0947\u091f \u091a\u0947\u0902\u091c \u0915\u0947 \u0906\u0927\u093e\u0930 \u092a\u0930, \u090f\u0928\u0930\u094d\u091c\u0940  \u0938\u093f\u0915\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0930\u093f\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0906\u0927\u093e\u0930 \u092a\u0930 \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092a\u093e\u0938 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n
The  people have been telling \u2013 the MP from Arunachal Pradesh is here, he has written  to me and spoken to me \u2013 that there is 60,000 MW potential in hydro electricity  in N.E. alone.\u00a0 What is the  difficulty?\u00a0 There is no money.\u00a0 Only in the North-East, this potential  is there, the study says that and we have not exploited it. Have you no coal  reserves?\u00a0 Is it exhausted? Is there  no clean technology available in India today?\u00a0 Is there no Coal Bed Methane (CBM) or no  liquefied coal technology available?\u00a0 I would like to know whether you have any national coal use and national  coal policy.\u00a0 There is nothing like  that.\u00a0 In such a scenario, you are  opting for the nuclear energy\u00a0 which  is costly.\u00a0 According to a draft  calculation in Kudankulam, it was calculated that it would be \u2013 even after  Russian concessional help, and the nuclear cost would be around Rs. 4 to Rs.  5.50.\u00a0 It is not cheap.\u00a0 Now the question is that if it is not  cheap, why are you going for that?\u00a0 If you have so much to pay \u2013 our independent foreign policy, our  strategic programme, our own domestic nuclear programme, we have to go at their  instance, they may use nuclear blackmail in various situations which they have  done \u2013 why should you go for it?\u00a0 Is  it to benefit them?\u00a0 Their ailing  nuclear industry will be rejuvenated and more jobs will be created there. \u00a0It is the admission of Condoleezza  Rice.\u00a0 But it will be done at the  cost of India.\u00a0 We have so much of  unemployment.\u00a0 We will have no  jobs.\u00a0 There, we will have jobs  because there nuclear reactors will come to India.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
We  have a self-reliant domestic nuclear programme.\u00a0 We are not against nuclear energy.\u00a0 We want an appropriate, judicious,  nuclear energy mix.\u00a0 We are being  told that there is no money; resources are not available.\u00a0 Suddenly, we are opting for the most  expensive nuclear energy at their instance.\u00a0 Is it going to help us?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 What I want to say is that if you go for  the cost benefit, India is not benefited.\u00a0 It is being said that 123 Agreement is different from the Hyde Act, why  we are worried about the Hyde Act.\u00a0 Who says this?\u00a0 Sir, 123  Agreement is in conformity with the Hyde Act.\u00a0 Wherever there is no dispute, it is  okay.\u00a0 If there is any dispute,  their national law will prevail.\u00a0 It  is very specific.\u00a0 The Left had put  its viewpoint on the relationship between the 123 Agreement and the Hyde Act  very categorically as to what is the international position, what is the Vienna  Convention about international treaties and all these things.\u00a0 They are saying China has done it.\u00a0 \u0905\u0930\u0947  \u092c\u093e\u092c\u093e, \u091a\u093e\u0907\u0928\u093e \u090f\u0915 \u0928\u094d\u092f\u0942\u0915\u094d\u0932\u093f\u092f\u0930 \u0935\u0948\u092a\u0928 \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u091f \u0939\u0948\u0964 China  is a party to NPT.\u00a0 Why are you  comparing India with China?\u00a0 The  contract between China and the United States is being guided by international  law.\u00a0 Ours is guided by US national  law.\u00a0 This has happened in such  case, say, about the fast breeder reactor in Japan and all these things and in  all such areas.\u00a0 What has happened  in the case of Japan? By arbitration-But Indo-US nuclear deal is put on a level  which is detrimental to India.\u00a0 They  say, no, the present President has assured us in writing.\u00a0 What is the use of this writing?\u00a0 The future President will go by the  American law only.\u00a0 In such a  situation, what we have been saying is why\u00a0 are you so eager that we should not miss the bus, which bus I do not  know, for which goal, that also I do not know.\u00a0 We have the experience of ENRON.\u00a0 Have you forgotten that?\u00a0 It is not only about the price; we have  said so many things about it.\u00a0 We  have said: “Do not do it.”\u00a0 They  say: “No, it is a different world.”\u00a0 In a different world, you have gone for ENRON and Maharashtra people will  tell us better as to what is the situation.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would just like to take this opportunity to tell the Government that  ultimately \u2013 the Left has told you \u2013 you can go to the international atomic  energy.\u00a0 But, what for?\u00a0 We want a concrete assurance about the  uninterrupted supply.\u00a0 That you have  not done for the Russian Programme; you have not signed it.\u00a0 It is a different issue, I am not going  into that Kudankulam issue.[r43]\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The re-assurance from IAEA has to be according to India\u2019s specific  requirement because it will be India specific safeguard.\u00a0 I would like to know from the hon. Prime  Minister as to what the India specific safeguard is?\u00a0 What is the guarantee?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
You  are saying that our fast breeder reactors will also be under the supervision of  the international agency in perpetuity.\u00a0 Our nuclear scientists have said that our fast breeder reactors are  superior to others in certain areas.\u00a0 We work on a particular nuclear cycle by which you can use the spent  fuel, enrich it and go on.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
Now,  nuclear waste management is a big problem to the Western world.\u00a0 In such a situation we have certain  advantages.\u00a0 But putting the fast  breeder reactors under the supervision and under the safeguard, will it be  helpful to us?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
Now,  I come to re-processing.\u00a0 It is very  vague.\u00a0 It is notional only.\u00a0 Whatever assurance has been given is  only notional.\u00a0 They say that under  a dedicated arrangement, we should have this use of spent fuel and all  these.\u00a0 What is the cost?\u00a0 So, it is not a simple question of a  strategic alliance.\u00a0 It is  surrendering to their pressure.\u00a0 As  they are getting isolated, they want to get India also to be isolated.\u00a0 It will harm us immensely at the WTO  level in our negotiations.\u00a0 Our  friends are in G70, G77, and G90.\u00a0 Against whom are we fighting?\u00a0 China, India and Brazil are fighting against the American agricultural  subsidy.\u00a0 They are our friends.\u00a0 In so many international bodies and also  in the emerging bodies, we are all friends.\u00a0 What message will it go now?\u00a0 After 60 years of India\u2019s Independence,  India did what India has never done.\u00a0 They mentioned this in their speeches.\n<\/p>\n
The  Congress Party people can read these aspersions about how they had been dealing  with Soviet Russia and others during the time of Pandit Nehru.\u00a0 They had the audacity to mention that  the Soviet weapons were flooding in the Indian military.\u00a0 We have 126, Multi Role Combat  Aircraft\u00a0 \u2026  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Now, please  conclude.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>(HOOGHLY<\/a>): Please give me one minute.\n<\/p>\n
Apart  from that, they are saying that India should simultaneously open up banking,  India should open up insurance and India should open up foreign retail.\u00a0 In such a scenario, we think that this  Government is not applying its mind to the dangers in the Deal  itself.\n<\/p>\n
It  is said that 90 per cent of the Indian civilian nuclear reactors would be under  the supervision of IAEA. How do they calculate?\u00a0 That is the question I am asking.  Nicholas Burns, who is the Chief Interlocutor, himself is writing that 90 per  cent of the Indian civilian nuclear reactors will be under the supervision of  IAEA in perpetuity.\u00a0 That also is in  perpetuity.\u00a0 Then, we know their  concept of democracy.\u00a0 They are  saying that with India, they will just stabilize democracy in so many  countries.\u00a0 What will happen to our  relations with so many other countries?\u00a0 We know as to what sort of democracy they have.\u00a0 We know what happened in Iraq and what  happened in Afghanistan.\u00a0 Now,  strangely we find the change in Government voice in terms of its support to  Palestine and in relation to various other Middle-East issues.\u00a0 It is toned down so substantially.\u00a0 We apprehend that the pressure has  started to work on them.[h44]\u00a0 [h45]\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I am concluding now.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He further says that \u2018the military co-operation is impeded\u00a0 by the fact that much of the Indian  Military still uses a considerable amount of Soviet Union equipment. A  significant Indian Defence purchase from the United States, for example, of the  new Advanced Multi-role Combat Aircraft that the Indian Air Force take, would be  a great leap forward.\u2019\u00a0 So, 123 is  not 123; 123 is also 126, that is, their aircraft.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He says about the Indian Arms Bazar, Indian Insurance Market, Indian  Banking, Indian Retail and India as an ally to guard the seas and the Navy.\u00a0 And, they are insisting on PSI,  Proliferation\u00a0 Security  Initiatives.\u00a0 They are insisting on  many other such Agreements, which we did not agree earlier.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We know, very recently the nuclear materials equipped ship had come.  There have been Australia, Singapore, the US, Japan and India joint  exercises.\u00a0 What signal had it  sent?\u00a0 What was the reaction to our  neighbours?\u00a0 What happens? It is the  logistic agreement that the fuel services would be allowed and they would take  the fuel here, and they would just wait in the Indian Ocean or the Bay of  Bengal. They are waiting.\u00a0 Will not  our neighbours be suspicious about us?\u00a0\u00a0 For the fault of America, we will  have to suffer,\u00a0 we will\u00a0 be punished.\u00a0 It had happened long back. When these  people were agreeing to send the Indian troops to Iraq, the\u00a0 whole august House woke up and said:  \u201cNo.\u201d But still they were hesitant.\u00a0 There was no condemnation.\u00a0 They used the only word \u2018deplorable\u2019.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I am just concluding.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: It should be actual concluding.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: I am concluding.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 About the timetable, they are hurrying up and saying: \u201cBy January, you  must have to do this; this has to go to the US Congress\u201d as if their Parliament,  their US Congress is superior to the Indian Parliament. The Indian Parliament  must discuss it.\u00a0 Let there be a  sense of this House.\u00a0 We know that  in our Constitution, there is no provision of ratification of any International  Treaty.\u00a0 We shall discuss it later  on when the time comes.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But it is our earnest appeal.\u00a0 We have submitted our viewpoints.\u00a0 On the PM\u2019s assurances with regard to all the reservations we had made  regarding the Draft Bill, most of them have been trampled down by the Hyde  Act.\u00a0 Our apprehensions have been  proved true\u00a0 repeatedly.\u00a0 Please take the sense of the House. Do  not proceed further because\u00a0 the  majority of this sovereign House is against this very, very important Deal,  which has a serious bearing\u00a0 on the  future of this country, on the\u00a0 future economy of this country, on our nuclear programme, on our  self-reliance and on our relations with other countries in an emerging  multi-polar\u00a0 world.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>(GANDHINAGAR<\/a>): Mr. Speaker, Sir, though it is not the first time  that we are discussing this particular matter, but I still believe that at this  point of time, this has become a very important debate in the history of  Parliament.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just now, Shri Rupchand Pal, while concluding his speech, said that he  would like a sense of the House to be taken so far as this issue is  concerned.\u00a0 I for one see no reason  why the Government should not have agreed to have this discussion under Rule 184  of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business. [r46]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can understand that irrespective of what the vote is, the Government  may say that the Constitution does not obligate us to seek ratification for any  international treaty. Therefore, you have expressed an opinion. There are  occasions when the House expressed its opinion.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: May I interrupt you for a second? When I had given my ruling on the  notice under rule 184 in the last Session, I had not consulted the Government.  Therefore, Government\u2019s willingness has no relevance for me. It is because you  said why did the Government involve.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: I accept it. But I think that so far as the sense of the House is  concerned, it has already been expressed on several occasions. Once when we  staged the walk-out against something that had been said on this particular  issue from the Government side, almost all sections of the House walked out. In  fact, from even the UPA, the Left Parties also walked out with us. There have  been other occasions also. I am not going to go into that.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today, the Prime Minister is here and I would like to recall that when  first he met President Bush way back in the year 2005 when exactly this debate  started in the country among political parties, among thinking sections of the  people, a question was posed to him two days after his Joint Statement with  President Bush had been issued on Nuclear Cooperation. The question posed to him  at a Press Conference held in Washington on 20th July 2005 was this.  \u201cMr. Prime Minister, do you see any resistance coming forward from your  Allies–obviously, they had an inkling of what is likely to happen–and the  Opposition?\u201d So, despite what my friend Mr. Rupchand Pal may say about Strobe  Talbot and all that, they knew that on this particular issue, we had certain  very strong reservations. So, the question posed was: \u201cDo you see any resistance  coming forward from your Allies and the Opposition in putting the new India-US  Policy to practice, and will you seek a Parliamentary consensus or approval to  the new direction you seem to be taking in Foreign Policy?\u201d So, they take it for  granted that it is a new direction in Foreign Policy that this Government is  taking.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh replied: \u201cWell, the Parliament in  our country is sovereign. It is my intention to make a Statement in Parliament  when I go back home, and it goes without saying that we can move forward only on  the basis of a broad national consensus.\u201d Now, my first poser to the Prime  Minister is this. Do you see this broad national consensus before which you have  used the word, \u201conly if there is a broad national consensus\u201d? In this country,  we do not have any provision in the Constitution for a referendum as is there in  some other countries.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But so far as Parliament is concerned, I am sure that you are aware,  everyone is aware that there is no consensus on this particular deal. So, when  it is obvious that there is no broad consensus on this deal, why are you so  rushing into this deal? Why? I cannot understand this. Why can you not think in  terms of what we have suggested all along? Think of ways of re-negotiating the  deal.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Their objection is not to the deal so much. You could see it even in the  first sentence itself. It is either anti-Americanism or anti-BJPism which  becomes the guideline for all of them. So their very first sentence is that they  are against any kind of strategic partnership with the United States. We are  not. We are not. So, when people quote me, Strobe Talbot or Jaswant Singh\u2019s book  or my statement which I made, I simply emphasized this. While in the discussions  in the other House, many times it may seem that the CPI(M)\u2019s opposition and the  BJP\u2019s opposition is identical. No, it is not identical.[m47]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The difference I wanted to stress in that particular statement which was  supposed to be a shift in my stand. No, there has been no shift all along. I  would like to tell you one thing. It is true that in the last Session, this  issue could not be discussed as it ought to have been. Why? It was because after  all, we said why we cannot have a Joint Parliamentary Committee on this. The  Government did not agree and instead first said what has been done is signed and  sealed and it is not negotiable and therefore, we cannot have a Joint  Parliamentary Committee going into it. But it was a surprise for the country to  find that instead of a Joint Parliamentary Committee in which all could have  participated including the Left, you formed a Committee of the UPA and the Left.  How do you explain it?\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today, my second poser to the Prime Minister and the Government is this.  What has been accomplished by this joint committee of the UPA and the Left till  now? From the Press all that we see is that the Committee met and decided to  meet on this day again. Very often these days it appears that while the Congress  is particular about the deal and says \u2018bachao the deal\u2019 the Left,  especially the CPI(M) suddenly says \u2018bachao Bengal\u2019.\u00a0 Not only that, but the kind of flip flop  that you are making makes me feel that you are no longer concerned with the  deal; you are more concerned with the timing of elections. You do not want an  election now and therefore, you say, \u2018All right, you go ahead with IAEA, talk to  them and we will see later\u2019. We have a veto with us. Do not deceive yourself and  do not deceive the country. \u2026  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL<\/a>: We are not deceiving. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: You are where you are, but it is certainly expected of a party  which is part of a coalition, which is part of an alliance not to behave in this  manner. I will see their outlook later. I will come to the deal  itself.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was surprised to find that in one of his earlier statements made in  Parliament, the Prime Minister said on 13.8.07 :\n<\/p>\n
\u201cAs  I have said, this is an agreement for cooperation between India and the US on  peaceful uses of nuclear energy. Its genesis is the shared perception between  the India and the US that both our countries need to address their energy  challenges …\u201d  <\/p>\n
I  can understand that we are looking at it from the energy point of view, but I do  not see how America also is looking at this deal from the point of view of  energy. What is mentioned in this statement is \u2018its genesis is shared  perception\u2019. The US is certainly not looking for nuclear energy as a major  option, leave alone the most important option to meet its energy challenges; we  may be. I can say that we have our energy concern which I share, though I do not  agree that this is going to be a solution to that, but the US is certainly  looking at this from a strategic angle. This is the difference. They are not  looking at it from the energy angle.\n<\/p>\n
THE  MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE): Would you just concede for  a second?\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If you just go to the second sentence of the 123 Agreement, which is an  agreement between the India and the USA, it says:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cRecognizing  the significance of civilian nuclear energy for meeting growing global energydemands in a cleaner and more efficient manner… \u201d  <\/p>\n
This  is the agreed text of an agreement. The agreement is yet to be finalised.[s48]\u00a0Therefore,  both USA and India recognise the need of sharing the common perceptions of  energy.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: Thank you, Shri Pranab Mukherjee. I can only endorse what my  friend Shri Rupchand Pal just now said, namely, that there has been no nuclear  reactor that has come up in America for many many years. Therefore, \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  PRANAB MUKHERJEE <\/a>: You just see what you said a few seconds ago, and what was my  contention.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: No, I can understand that you can have it in a format, but so far  as reality is concerned, the reality comes out very clearly in other statements  that they have made. I will quote them later on. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  PRANAB MUKHERJEE <\/a>: You can give your own argument, and I have no problem with  it.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: It is my conviction that while our concern is energy, their  concern has been all along strategic. The strategic approach adopted by Shrimati  Indira Gandhi in 1974 and pursued further by Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee in 1998  is to see that it is contained. This is their principal objective, which I will  prove just now.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They are not concerned too much with this as for them it is only Russia  and China who have the right to build-up nuclear arsenal. So far as India is  concerned, they are opposed to it irrespective of which Government is in power  whether it is the Congress Government or the NDA Government. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: We are advocating universal disarmament.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI : I can quote even a recent statement that : \u201cOur approach on the  nuclear weapons is clear from the very beginning. India must not go in for  weaponization in the nuclear field.\u201d This is your statement, and I can  understand it. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: We are supporting universal disarmament.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI : Sir, Dr. Manmohan Singh in the famous statement made at the  Tarapur Atomic Power Plant on August 31 said that : \u201cIndia cannot afford to miss  the nuclear bus.\u201d He said that : \u201cThere is today talk the world over of a  nuclear renaissance, and we cannot afford to miss the bus or lag behind these  global developments.\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The UPA Chairperson, Shrimati Sonia Gandhi, went a step further while  speaking at Jhajjar in Haryana when she said that : \u201cThose who are  opposed to the deal are not only enemies of the Congress, but also of India\u2019s  development.\u201d I do not know why people should use words like enemy in this  context meaning both the Left Party, who are allies to the Government, and the  NDA, which is certainly opposed to the Government. We are political adversaries,  and none of us are enemies of any other Party. But this statement mentioning  \u2018enemies of development\u2019 is difficult to believe.\n<\/p>\n
I  have with me the Integrated Energy Policy Report of the Expert Committee set up  by the Planning Commission. It was released in August 2006. It has taken into  account all the promises made in respect of energy in the nuclear deal. The  Committee was headed by Dr. Kirit S. Parikh, and Dr. Anil Kakodkar, Chairman of  the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) was also a Member on the Committee. I would  like to quote just one portion of it. The Report says that : \u201cEven if a 20-fold  increase takes place in India\u2019s nuclear power capacity by 2031-2032, the  contribution of nuclear energy to India\u2019s energy mix is also, at best, expected  to be 4.0-6.4 per cent.\u201d This is the total. It further says that this is an  optimistic scenario, and possibilities of imports of nuclear fuel would be made  possible if the Indo-US Agreement is not impaired.[r49]\u00a0\u00a0 Only  then,\u00a0 will there be this scenario \u2013  4 to 6.5 per cent. Now, how can this be called a Deal to ensure energy security  for the country? Certainly not; it is so obvious. Let us not delude ourselves.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is true that my Party, the BJP, earlier the Jan Sangh, has been the  only Party \u2013 in 1964, China had its nuclear blast at Lop Nor — which in 1964  itself moved a Motion in the Lok Sabha, but in 1966, we formally adopted a  Resolution in our Party\u2019s National Council at Varanasi that India must build up  a nuclear deterrent of its own. I can tell you that in those days all other  political parties criticized us, scoffed at us, and the argument was that we  could not afford it; India just could not afford it because our resources were  very limited. But we drew strength from the Principal Architect of India\u2019s  Nuclear Programme, Dr. Homi Bhaba. He was among those who favoured India  becoming a nuclear weapon State, and he said it very clearly. So much so that in  one of his very significant speeches made on All India Radio on 24th  October, 1964, the same year as China had its nuclear blast at Lop Nor, he said:  \u201cAtomic weapons give a State possessing them in adequate numbers a deterrent  power against attack from a much stronger State.\u201d This was the statement that he  made in 1964 just a few days after the Lop Nor blast, though at that time the  Government\u2019s policy, the Government was headed by Pandit Nehru, was that we  would develop our nuclear programme, that our nuclear energy would be used only  for peaceful purposes, and that it would not be used for weaponizing the  country.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Our Party became the sole Party to be an advocate of this and it is going  on since then till today. So, when in 1998 Vajpayee ji became the Prime  Minister, he was able to make all the other parties in the Coalition agree to  this that we must develop a nuclear deterrent of our own. On the 19th  of March, the NDA Government took office, and on the 11th of May, we  had these Pokhran-II blasts. I can say, at that time, we were criticized within  the country not only by the Left Parties, but even by the Congress Party. The  present Prime Minister was Leader of the House in the other House and he  criticized us. His criticism was that the consequences for our economy would not  be good; it would damage our economy; economic sanctions would be imposed on us,  and the consequences would be these.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I think Mrs. Gandhi did the right thing when she departed from the  policy laid down by Pandit Nehru, and in 1974, shortly after the Indo-Pak War in  which War, America had sent its nuclear-armed Seventh Fleet to the Bay of  Bengal.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  N.N. KRISHNADAS <\/a>(PALGHAT<\/a>): At that time, the Soviet Union protected  us.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: Therefore, if Soviet Union protects us or helps us, my Party has  always been grateful to it. We were in favour of the Indo-Soviet Defence  Agreement that we signed shortly after the War. We are not like you in which you  have a closed mind in respect of America. You would not talk about America. So  far as we are concerned, even at that time, we had favoured\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  N.N. KRISHNADAS <\/a>: We are against American imperialism.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: Advani ji, do not reply to it.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: They are not worthy of reply.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: But you have replied to that.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: I concede to the Speaker\u2019s advice. He thinks that you should not  be replied.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: I said that you should not get diverted because your speech is a very  important speech.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  N.N. KRISHNADAS <\/a>: You always take advice from the hon.  Speaker.\n<\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: It is better to take advice from me than anybody else, so far as the  issue of running the House is concerned.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  N.N. KRISHNADAS <\/a>: It should always be like that.[r50]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
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SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: Therefore, my first point to the Government is, do not try to  mislead the people by telling them that this is for energy purposes only and  anyone who is opposing this is in a way standing in the way of India\u2019s  development. I think that we need energy.\n<\/p>\n
I  may even mention something that relates to our period in Government. Recently,  many negotiators came from America to persuade us to support this Deal. It made  me feel that even more than the Government of India, it is America which is  interested in this particular Deal. One of the people who met me and who has  been involved in this nuclear programme of America, he originally happens to be  an Indian who has lived in Mumbai, belongs originally to Goa, and has written an  excellent, a very comprehensive book on India\u2019s nuclear policy and nuclear  doctrine. His name is Ashley Tellis. I am not going to mention anything that he  spoke to me personally. I would not mention it; it is not proper. But I have  seen one of his interviews on Rediff.Com in which the question was that why no  Deal was struck with the Vajpayee Government of this kind. His answer was that  the Deal could not be reached because the Vajpayee Government did not offer much  to the US in exchange for the Agreement. We got more from the Government of Dr.  Manmohan Singh. The next question was: \u201cWhat is it that you wanted from the  Vajpayee Government but could not get?\u201d The answer was: \u201cI am afraid, I cannot  answer this question.\u201d Now, this made me make some enquiries into those who were  in the matter at that time. I am told that so far as negotiations with our  Government are concerned, at that time, there was never even a suggestion that  there would be a ban or a curb on our right to test.\u00a0 Secondly, we were willing to open only  two reactors for inspection \u2013 two out of sixteen \u2013 by the IAEA and no more.  There were other matters also on which we could not agree, but the sum and  substance is that this particular statement, \u201cthat we could not get from the NDA  Government what we were able to get from Dr. Manmohan Singh\u2019s\u201d,\u00a0 I do not know how to see  it.\n<\/p>\n
But  what I do see is that Mrs. Gandhi went in for Pokhran-I. The other day the name  that was mentioned, Mr. Paul, Henry \u2013 one Henry came to see me also (Henry  Kissinger) \u2013 and I casually happened to tell him that my Party has always been  in favour of India becoming\u00a0 a  nuclear weapon State, which Pandit Nehru and subsequent Governments up to Mrs.  Gandhi\u2019s, were not in favour. I even mentioned that Shri Morarji Desai was also  not in favour of it, and we were in that Government. But Mrs. Gandhi, after US  sent that nuclear-armed Seventh Fleet, was prompted to go in this direction.  When I said to him, \u201cYour Government\u201d, I meant the Government at that time, he  smiled and his reaction was, \u201cWell, I have been personally blamed for that.\u201d [r51]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
Whatever  that was I cannot say. But this much I can say that Mrs. Gandhi took a step in  the right direction when she thought in terms of building India as a nuclear  weapon State. In between there were several Governments, in one of which Shri  Venkataraman was Defence Minister. He is publicly on record having complimented  Vajpayeeji when a book by Vajpayeeji was being released, and saying, \u201cWhile I  was Defence Minister, all the things in Pokhran were ready. Everything was  ready. I also went and inspected it at the last moment and I found everything in  order. The scientists were there and everything was there. But we somehow failed  to do it because we came under pressure. I compliment you for disregarding all  kinds of pressures and going in for Pokhran II\u201d. Shrimati Gandhi did India proud  when in 1974 she conducted Pokhran I. Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee did India more  proud by completing the process – that was the first step really \u2013 and  conducting Pokhran II.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Prime Minister, are you determined to ensure through this deal that  there will be no Pokhran III? Is that your desire? Our objection to this  particular deal is principally because this deal prohibits India from making  another test. Our feeling is that today India is at a stage where it is in a  position to gradually build up an effective nuclear deterrent against all our  hostile neighbours. I am told that we are going in for it. Well, very good. But  this is also true that the 123 Agreement says that national laws will prevail.  American national law will prevail on this insofar as our strategic partnership  is concerned. Section 106 of the Hyde Act bans Indian testing. It also specifies  the consequent punitive actions that might follow including America\u2019s right of  return of nuclear reactors and other materials sold to India. The 123 Agreement  upholds applicability of national laws to govern its implementation. Hence, the  123 Agreement cannot override the Hyde Act. This has to be understood.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This was very clearly explained by Nicholas Burns himself when a reporter  asked him in a Press Conference. \u201cIn the Hyde Act US Congress made it quite  clear that if India were to test a nuclear weapon, American cooperation with  India would cease. If you are giving India assurances that there will be no  interruption in its fuel supplies regardless of what happens, how does that  comply with the law?\u201d This is a very pertinent question posed by a journalist.  Look at the answer that Mr. Burns has given. He states, \u201cFirst of all, we were  quite careful when we began this latest phase of negotiations and we reminded  the Indian Government that since the President and the Prime Minister had their  two agreements of July, 2005 and March, 2006, something else has happened. The  United States Congress had debated over six, seven months those agreements and  the Congress has now passed the Hyde Act. So, we had to make sure that  everything in this US-India Civil Nuclear Agreement, the 123 Agreement was  completely consistent with the Hyde Act and well within the bounds of the Hyde  Act itself\u201d.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So, this kind of trying to tell us that the 123 agreement does not  mention Hyde Act, the 123 agreement does not mention all these restrictions,  this is misleading us. No, it is not true.[KMR52]\u00a0\u00a0 The two essential parts of the  clarification given by Burns are – firstly, he invited the Indian negotiating  team\u00a0 that in terms of sequence of  events, the Hyde Act comes after the two agreements between Dr. Manmohan Singh  and President Bush; and secondly, we had to make sure that anything in this  US-India Civil Nuclear Agreement, the 123 Agreement was completely consistent  with the Hyde Act and well within the bounds of the Hyde Act itself.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, in its present form, in the final form, the US legislation adopted  the NSG guidelines, imposed extraneous conditions on India, this is what Dr.  Manmohan Singhji said in\u00a0 Rajya  Sabha on August 17 \u2013 if in the final form, the US legislation be adopted the NSG  guidelines, impose extraneous conditions on India, the Government of India will  draw the necessary conclusions consistent with the commitments I have made to  Parliament.\u201d\u00a0 This is your own  statement.\u00a0 Are these consistent  with the assurances given in both Houses\u00a0 that under no circumstances, would we accept the kind of restriction on  our right to – you have said in this House also –\u00a0 test? Though it is said that provisions  have been made which call for discussion and we have to convince the American  side\u2026   <\/p>\n
MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 If you yield?\n<\/p>\n
THE  PRIME MINISTER <\/a>(DR. MANMOHAN SINGH<\/a>):\u00a0 Since you have quoted me on India\u2019s right to test- what our Government  has committed on this issue of testing is no more than what your Government had  done, that we are committed only to a unilateral moratorium and that if in our  wisdom, if the necessity arises that this country has to have a test, there is  nothing in this agreement which prevents the exercise of that sovereignty.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  L.K. ADVANI <\/a>:\u00a0\u00a0 Correct.\u00a0 I had anticipated this comment of yours  that after all, we had unilaterally decided to impose the moratorium but a  country which unilaterally decides to have a moratorium\u00a0 on the point which we have reached, can  unilaterally decided to disregard that.\u00a0 On both occasions \u2013 whether it was in the case of Mrs. Gandhi in 1974 or  in 1998, in the case of Shri Vajpayee, America did try to penalize us.\u00a0 Though in 1974, the sanctions imposed on  us were far severe; and secondly by 1998, India had arrived at a stage where  even the severe constraints could not do us much harm so that practically they  had to withdraw them.\u00a0 But on both  occasions, the consequences followed.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Here, we are inviting consequences by signing for them this agreement  that if we test, the consequences, the right on return of America.\u00a0 This would be something which we never  agreed to.\u00a0 You imagine something  like that happens and sometime later, some other Prime Minister has to reply in  this House.\u00a0 What will happen? How  can he defend that we have agreed to it? We have agreed that if we test, then,  you have the right to take back our nuclear reactors and you have the right to  take back other related necessary materials.\u00a0 We would have never done it.\n<\/p>\n
Unilaterally,  they are doing it and trying to penalize us is one thing, and by virtue of a  pact, we do it and we agreed to it.\u00a0 We are opposed to this kind of infringement.\u00a0 I regard it as an infringement of  India\u2019s sovereignty.\u00a0 That we will  explain why a test became necessary?\u00a0 China did this; Pakistan did this; so and so country did this.\u00a0 They say, no, we are not satisfied.\u00a0 It is for them to be satisfied that the  argument that we have for going in for a test is justifying.\u00a0 This is the Pact and we have agreed  to.\u00a0 We said that if you are not  satisfied, you can take back all this.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Prime Minister, the whole thing is so apparent that no  self-respecting country should agree to it. I am sure that if Mrs. Gandhi were  there; if Shri Vajpayee were there, they would not have agreed to this kind of  encroachment of our sovereignty.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I had mentioned about Dr. Bhaba being an advocate of India becoming  a nuclear weapon State.\u00a0 These days,  while studying the whole thing, I was surprised at least I did not recall it  that way but a small thing that I had thought might be worth mentioning on this  occasion. [r53]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
On  11th January 1966, just hours after he had signed the Tashkent  Declaration, formalizing the end of hostilities in the war with Pakistan, the  Prime Minister Shastri died of a heart attack. This is a casual mention of a  fact.\n<\/p>\n
Just  two weeks later, on January 24, on the very day Shastri\u2019s successor Indira  Gandhi was sworn in as the Prime Minister,\u00a0 Dr. Homi Bhabha was killed while on a trip to Europe, when the plane in  which he was flying collided with Mont Blanc in France. India\u2019s impressively  large nuclear establishment was suddenly left without any official plan or  policy to give a direction.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, it makes me wonder \u2013 was it just an accident? I do not know. I have  no further information than what I have come across in this. To me, it seems a  mischief, that a person who was the head of our nuclear establishment and who  had not kept it secret to himself and who had publicly said that India should  have a nuclear weapon, died like this. And he had publicly said, in reply to a  question during a Press Conference, which I had participated in, as a Journalist  in those days, that if the Government of India were to give me clearance, our  own atom bomb would be ready within 18 months to two years. Such a person  suddenly being killed in an accident of this kind, it does make me wonder.  Maybe, you have more facts about those days, but I do not have. I thought, I  might put it on record, that it is, to me, an enigma and a  mischief.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the same context, I would say that today we are outside the Nuclear  Weapons\u2019 Club. Why? It is only because of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The NPT  Act passed in 1967 and implemented in 1970 said that only those countries which  have developed a nuclear weapon of their own before 1970, would be deemed as  nuclear weapon States. I today wonder if we had not committed that mistake, in  those days, in the 1960s and had gone by Dr. Homi Bhabha\u2019s advice, we would have  been a part of that club.\n<\/p>\n
He  even requested Pandit Nehru that we should have it. But Pandit Nehru said, \u2018No.  Not so long as I am there and I would not favour it\u2019. If we had done it at that  time, we would have been a part of this Nuclear Weapons\u2019 Club, before 1970 and  all the debate that is now taking place, would not have been needed. We would  not have been in this situation. We are now being pushed into the  non-proliferation regime in this manner because we need nuclear energy; and  therefore, they are taking advantage of it, by pushing us into the  non-proliferation regime.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0I must compliment Mr.  Nicolas Burns, the US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, who was  one of the main negotiators and the Principal Spokesman for all that had  happened. He said that this deal brings India back into the Non-Proliferation  mainstream in a way, it was never before. It is true. Never before had any Prime  Minister agreed to this. But we agreed to this.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He went on to say that \u2013 he did not talk about \u2018energy\u2019 \u2013 this deal is  the centrepiece of Indo-US strategic relationship. I am not against strategic  relationship; I am not against strategic partnership. But this strategic  relationship and partnership is in the nature of a junior or of an unequal  partner; India cannot be an unequal and a junior partner of America or of Russia  or of any other country. India, this one billion strong Indians, is a proud  nation, which cannot be subservient or junior to any other country.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My objection to this particular deal is principally because firstly it  bars our right to test.[MSOffice54]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
Secondly,  it makes us a junior partner in this partnership with  America.\n<\/p>\n
Thirdly,  whatever we may say, they have also said that it is not merely IAEA but even  American inspectors can come and see the nuclear reactors that are opened.\u00a0 You assured us the other day that under  no circumstances will you allow Americans to come here and see, yet it is  there.\n<\/p>\n
I  would say that if in the sixties we had done what Dr. Homi Bhabha advised us to  do, we would not have missed the nuclear weapon club or the nuclear weapon  bus.\u00a0\u00a0 We missed it.\u00a0 Now, let us not commit ourselves to that  situation in perpetuation.\u00a0 This  particular 123 deal says that it will last for 40 years.\n<\/p>\n
One  of the leading papers of Delhi, one of the leading editors who had been a Member  of the Congress Party at one time, Shri M.J. Akbar wrote on that day that it is  a day of dependence.\u00a0 After sixty  years of Independence are we going to sign a deal which make us dependent for 40  years?\u00a0 123 deal itself says that  this will last for 40 years.\n<\/p>\n
Only  recently the Prime Minister went to Moscow, Russia.\u00a0 Among the journalists who accompanied  him, one was a well known editor of The Hindu, Shri N. Ram.\u00a0 I saw an editorial in The Hindu  after the Prime Minister\u2019s return.\u00a0 The editorial says: \u201cAccording to Russian official sources an  inter-governmental agreement, presumably on par with India\u2019s 123 Agreement with  the United States, was fully prepared for signatures during the Summit but the  Indian side backed out at the last moment.\u201d\u00a0 I do not know why.\u00a0 I do not know what the proposed  agreement was.\u00a0 Why the Indian side  backed out?\u00a0 \u00a0The Hindu itself says that it was  according to the Russian official sources.\u00a0 This is what he gathered.\u00a0\u00a0 Shri N. Ram is a very responsible editor.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
I  would urge the Government to come to Parliament clean on this matter.\u00a0 What exactly happened?\u00a0 What was the proposal?\u00a0 What transpired?\u00a0 Why did you back out if you had agreed  to it earlier?\u00a0 All these things  must be known, otherwise, some of the complaints people have about how  independent is our direction of Foreign Policy would certainly come under  question mark.\n<\/p>\n
I  shall conclude my remarks by saying that 123 Agreement, as it stands, is  unacceptable to the nation because it is deeply detrimental to India\u2019s vital and  long-term interest.\u00a0 Let me say that  hereafter if NDA gets a mandate, we will re-negotiate this deal to see that all  the adverse provisions in it are either deleted or this treaty is rejected  completely.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
SHRI\u00a0 JYOTIRADITYA M. SCINDIA <\/a>(GUNA<\/a>): Mr.  Speaker, Sir, I rise today in support of Indo-US nuclear deal signed by this  Government.\u00a0 Of the numerous  initiatives taken by our Government to ensure that India retains its rightful  place in the global arena, none compare with the 123 Agreement signed by the  US.\u00a0 This is a path breaking  Agreement.\u00a0 Rupchand Palji also said  that this is a historic Agreement.\u00a0 In one stroke, it induces the global community to accept India\u2019s nuclear  weapons and strategic deterrent.\u00a0 With the signing of this 123 Agreement, the UPA\u00a0 Government has for once and for all  eliminated the nuclear apartheid that had been created against  India.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The 123 Deal is very clear.\u00a0 It keeps our military reactors outside the purview of the safeguards to  be signed with the IAEA.\u00a0\u00a0 We  now have the freedom to build our nuclear deterrent without the fear of inviting  sanctions and without undertaking the obligations of the NPT.\u00a0 India being granted a single-nation  exemption to the international regime is unprecedented in the history of global  diplomacy.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
Members  here would recall that our civilian nuclear programmes have been severely  constrained due to the shortage of fuel.\u00a0 Our reactors today are operating at roughly 70 per cent Plant Load Factor  thereby nuclear energy in our midst is only at 4000 megawatt contributing only  about three and a half to four per cent of power generation capacity in our  country.\u00a0 If India has to grow at 9  to 10 per cent and I think there is unanimity on that cause, and if that growth  has to go to grass root level, we cannot ignore the civilian nuclear  option.\u00a0 This Agreement opens the  doors for that.\u00a0 By 2020, we should  have in place close to 30,000 to 40,000 megawatt of nuclear energy in our  midst.\u00a0 But far more important than  this, the Deal also raised the stature of India.\u00a0 Mr. Nicholas Burns, Under Secretary of  Political Affairs of US Government, in his official statement said on July 25,  2007:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cI  can assure you that the United States is not going to suggest a similar deal  with any other country in the world.\u00a0 We have always felt of India as an exception.\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have been recognized as a responsible nuclear nation that can be  trusted not to proliferate weapons technology and not to\u00a0 illegally export any fissile  material.\u00a0 Our record and behaviour  have been praised and unlike some of our neighbours, we have been found today a  responsible global player and trustworthy global player.\u00a0 Arguably, this definitely clears the  decks for India\u2019s greater involvement in global affairs.\u00a0 Therefore, we must all join hands today  and congratulate our Prime Minister, Dr. Manmohan Singhji and his team for  achieving an outstanding accomplishment in foreign policy.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
As  I see it, this is a one sided balance sheet.\u00a0 There are only gains and no losses.\u00a0 Yet, we find a disturbing crescendo of  criticism in our midst.\u00a0 Our  Government is charged with bartering our sovereignty, surrendering our strategic  programme and our right to test.\u00a0 We  are accused of becoming unquestionable camp follower of the US.\u00a0 It is being said that our foreign policy  will now be dictated from Washington.\u00a0 I have great respect for our democratic traditions but we must not  respect dissent when it seeks to perpetrate falsehood.\u00a0 We must not respect dissent when it  seeks to vitiate the atmosphere by fear mongering.\u00a0 But before I deal with what our friends  in the Opposition have said, let me, at least, re-count to this House what some  of our rivals in the Asian nuclear balance are saying.\u00a0 An official statement issued by the  National Command Authority of Pakistan after assessing Indo-US deal said  :\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThis  Agreement would enable India to produce significant quantities of fissile  material and nuclear weapons from unsafeguarded nuclear  reactors.\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pakistan has urged that a similar deal should be offered to them.\u00a0 Why would Pakistan want a deal that  would barter their sovereignty; that would kill their weapons programme and take  away their right to test?\u00a0 The truth  is that it does none of that.\u00a0 All  that it does is that it gives them the same right that it has given to India  which is to continue its strategic programme.[R55]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The NCA of Pakistan has only reiterated the same concern with the Chinese  last year. The official paper of the Chinese CCP has said:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThe  Bush Administration has made a generous gift, granted India the status of a de facto nuclear power.\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This, Mr. Speaker, Sir, is why Pakistan wants the  deal.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me first deal with the first allegation. I will come to each of the  allegations. The first allegation is that our foreign policy would now be  dictated by Washington. I would like to quote the hon. Prime Minister here.\n<\/p>\n
\u201cIndia  is too large and too important a country to have the independence of its foreign  policy taken away by any power. There is independence in our thoughts and  independence in our actions.\u201d  <\/p>\n
There  are many areas of dissonance where we do not agree with the United States. Take  the example of the WTO. Shri Rupchand Pal talked about it. We have opposed their  stand tooth and nail. We have never surrendered the interest of our farmers or \u0915\u093f\u0938\u093e\u0928\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u0947 \u0939\u0915 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u0939\u092e \u0915\u092d\u0940 \u092d\u0940 \u0938\u092e\u091d\u094c\u0924\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964 We  stand by our democratic responsibility. We are answerable to our people. We have  opposed the US on UN reforms; on the composition of the Security Council. Based  on our interest in enlarging our oil security we are continuing to negotiate on  the Indo-Iran gas pipeline contrary to the wishes of the US. In order to  diversify our risk we are negotiating with China; we are negotiating with  France; we are negotiating with Russia on nuclear power. In fact, during the  last visit of the Chinese Prime Minister to India we actually talked about  nuclear co-operation and they greatly evinced interest in our market, as has  Australia. The hon. Prime Minister said:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cI  urge those who question our commitment to an independent foreign policy to  display the same degree of confidence in India as those from outside do. There  is no question that we will ever compromise in any manner our independent  foreign policy.\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The second allegation that we are bartering our sovereignty, our right to  test and what happens when the US decides to terminate. I would like to follow  on what Shri Pranab Mukherjee said, the Preamble to the Agreement:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThis  agreement is based on mutual respect for sovereignty, non-interference in each  other\u2019s internal affairs, equality, mutual benefit and reciprocity and with due  respect for each other\u2019s nuclear programmes.\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is clear that India is entering into this agreement as a sovereign  nation, as an equal and not as subordinate. This agreement makes no mention  whatsoever, I beg to differ with Shri Advaniji, limiting our right to test. The  hon. Prime Minister said:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cA  decision to undertake a future nuclear test would be our sovereign decision one  that rests solely with the Government.\u201d  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Standard 123 with a non-nuclear weapon States does provide that in the  event of a nuclear test there will be automatic termination if there is any  clause of the agreement that is violated. But this is the first time in the  history of global diplomacy that this 123 agreement with India obliges the US to  understand the context in which India has tested resulting from a changed  security environment. In place of the earlier proposal that would have converted  a unilateral moratorium into a legal obligation, this time around the 123  agreement commits the two sides to a process of consultation to take into  account India\u2019s strategic compulsions.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 To me it is all the more surprising to see that our principal Opposition  Party, the BJP, is criticizing us on this. When they were on this side of the  Bench they nearly went ahead and signed the CTBT and I would like to quote our  former Prime Minister Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee when he addressed the UN General  Assembly on the 24th of September, 1998. He  said:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cIndia  announced a voluntary moratorium on further underground nuclear test explosions.  We conveyed our willingness to move towards a de jure formalization of  this obligation. In announcing the moratorium India has already accepted the  basic obligations of the CTBT.\u201d[R56]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u201cIndia  is now engaged in discussions with key interlocutors on a range of issues,  including the CTBT.\u00a0 We are prepared  to bring these discussions to a successful conclusion, so that the entry into  force of the CTBT is not delayed.\u201d  <\/p>\n
The  former Prime Minister, Shri Atal Behari Vajpayee echoed the same sentiment\u00a0 in his address to Parliament on  15th December, 1998 and the former Minister for External Affairs,  Shri Jaswant Singh, expressed and echoed the same sentiments in his article in  Foreign Affairs. We had opposed the CTBT then. We have not allowed it in the 123  Agreement. We are consistent.\u00a0 The  BJP wanted the CTBT then.\u00a0 It is now  worried that we will not be allowed to test.\u00a0 The BJP has always been inconsistent,  hypocritical driven by their greed for momentary gain and not for national  interests.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The third allegation is levelled against us all the time – The towering  scepter of the Hyde Act: The Opposition\u2019s scarecrow!\u00a0 The Left\u2019s scarecrow!\u00a0 Every time the issue of the Hyde Act is  raised. Let me be very clear, Sir, that India as a sovereign nation is only  committed to what it has appended its signature to, which is the 123  Agreement.\u00a0 There is no question of  us being bound by any law passed by a foreign legislature. Nowhere in the 123  Agreement does it talk about US cooperation with India being subject to an  annual certification process.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 President Bush, ruling on the so-called contentious clauses, while  signing the Hyde Act very clearly said and I would like to quote him.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u201cSection 103 of the Act purports to  establish US policy with respect to various international affairs matters.\u00a0 My approval of the Act does not  constitute my adoption of the statements of policy as US foreign policy.\u00a0 Given the Constitution\u2019s commitment to  the presidency of the authority to conduct the nation\u2019s foreign affairs, the  Executive Branch shall construe such policy statements as advisory.\u00a0 Also, if section 104(d)(2) of the Act  were construed to prohibit the Executive Branch from transferring or  approving\u00a0 the transfer of an item  to India contrary to Nuclear Suppliers Group transfer guidelines that may be in  effect at the time of such future transfer, a serious question would exist as to  whether the provision unconstitutionally delegated legislative power to an  international body.\u00a0 In order to  avoid this constitutional question, the Executive Branch shall also construe  section 104(d)(2) as advisory.\u201d  <\/p>\n
Therefore,  Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Glib readers of the Hyde Act, unfortunately, has lost over  these very important clarifications.\u00a0 Clearly then these clauses are non-binding.\u00a0 The Hyde Act in Sections 102, 103 and  104 are not enforceable and cannot be acted upon.\u00a0 The Hyde Act does not have the power to  determine US foreign policy.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The fourth allegation that is made about consistently is American  intervention and surrendering our strategic programme. It is very clear, Sir,  and I would beg to differ again with Shri Advani that we would accept only IAEA  safeguards on our civilian nuclear facilities and that too post our separation  plan being in place and first lifting of all international restrictions on  nuclear trade.\u00a0 Here, I would like  to quote Shri Anil Kakodkar, Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission.\u00a0 He said:\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u201cEven  if it comes to a situation where the IAEA determines that the application of  safeguards is not possible, which is almost an impossibility, there will be  consultation between the supplier and the recipient on verification  measures.\u00a0 Verification measures are  not the same as safeguards.\u00a0 Verification means you basically verify that the material that is  supposed to be there is there.\u201d  <\/p>\n
Sir,  this Agreement does not affect our unsafeguarded strategic nuclear facilities  and our indigenous technology programme.\u00a0 Nicholas Burns said in his briefing on 27th July, 2007  as:\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u201cWe  work with India on the civil side;\u00a0 that is safeguarded.\u00a0 What  India does on the strategic side is India\u2019s business.\u00a0 This Agreement does not aid that  programme and it does not have an effect.\u201d  <\/p>\n
Many  times, Mr. Speaker Sir, parallels are consistently drawn with China-US Bilateral  Agreement signed in 1985 and comparisons are consistently made with the 123 [MSOffice57]\u00a0Agreement.\n<\/p>\n
I  would like to point out five important points here.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 Firstly, Upfront rights to reprocess  spent fuel was not granted to China.\u00a0 They must seek permission for that and while that permission is being  given, they cannot act.\u00a0 In all the  other 123 agreements the standard language is that no material can be  reprocessed unless the US agrees. India has been given those upfront rights to  reprocess.\n<\/p>\n
Secondly,  China\u2019s relations with Pakistan, China\u2019s non-proliferation record and China\u2019s  progress on Tibet are all linked to their China-US Bilateral of 1985.\u00a0\u00a0 There are no such linkages in  India\u2019s case.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
China  has given Australia a role in its separation plan.\u00a0 India has the sole decision making  authority with regard to our separation plan.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
China  has accepted bilateral inspections by US and Australian inspectors.\u00a0 Sir, I again differ with Shri L.K.  Advani that India has not accepted US inspectors to be part of this  transaction.\n<\/p>\n
India\u2019s  agreement assures uninterrupted fuel supplies and China\u2019s does  not.\n<\/p>\n
Therefore,  Sir, clearly India though a non-NPT signatory, has achieved major distinct  advantages over the China-US bilateral.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
Sir,  every country wants this deal. There is a dominant voice in the US that is even  saying that this deal is completely in India\u2019s favour.\u00a0 The New York Times editorial  dated 5th August, 2007 said:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cBringing  India in from the cold is not a bad idea.\u00a0 The problem is that the US got very little back.\u00a0 No promise to stop producing bomb-making  material.\u00a0 No promise not to expand  its arsenal.\u00a0 And no promise not to  resume nuclear testing.\u201d  <\/p>\n
Yes,  Sir, to our utter dismay, there are some of us in this House who are raising a  din against this agreement.\u00a0 Those  of us who are doing so are not only doing a disservice to the nation but also a  disservice to the generations to come.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The hon. Prime Minister has upheld the commitments he made to Parliament  in his last address.\u00a0 The coming  generations will own him a debt of gratitude and he will be remembered for  posterity as the visionary and enabler that ushered India to its rightful place  as a global power.\u00a0 We must have  courage and the conviction in our actions and in our dealings to stand up and be  counted amongst the tallest nations in the world and this agreement will do just  that!  <\/p>\n
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 15.46  hrs.  <\/p>\n
(Dr.  Laxminarayan\u00a0 Pandey  in the  Chair)  <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u201cIt is in the interest of United States  to enter into agreement for nuclear cooperation arranged pursuant to Section 123  of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 with a country that has never been a State  party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty\u2026\u201d  <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u201cThe country has a functioning and  uninterrupted democratic system of Government, has a foreign policy that is  congruent to that of the United States and is working with the United States in  key foreign policy initiatives related to  non-proliferation\u2026\u201d  <\/p>\n
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\u201cWith  respect to South Asia, to secure India\u2019s full and active participation in United  States\u2019 efforts to dissuade, isolate and, if necessary, sanction and contain  Iran for its efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction including a nuclear  weapons capability\u2026\u201d  <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u0924\u0940\u0938\u0930\u093e, \u0938\u0948\u0915\u094d\u0936\u0928 104 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0907\u0938 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u093e \u0909\u0932\u094d\u0932\u0947\u0916 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f –\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThe  President shall submit to the appropriate Congressional Committees a report  including all sorts of information of nuclear activities in India, the amount of  uranium mined and milled in India during the previous  year.\u201d  <\/p>\n
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THE  MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (SHRI K.  VENKATAPATHY): Mr. Chairman, Sir, thank you very much for allowing me to speak  on behalf of the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK), and my hon. Leader Dr.  Kalaignar on the issue of nuclear deal signed between India and the United  States of America.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 India is witnessing an unprecedented all-round progress over the past few  years. Our economy is growing at a rate of between 8 per cent and 9 per cent per  annum; our foreign exchange reserves are rising; our stock market is booming;  and our export growth is experiencing a growth of 20 per cent per annum.  Therefore, the world is looking at India as a favourable investment destination.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Millions of people, who have been suffering a lot, are watching with new  hope and optimism. I feel that this is largely because of the macro-economic  management of the UPA Government. However, not everyone is rejoicing at what we  have attained or what we have achieved so far. I need not adduce statistics,  evidence or give material particulars to establish the fact that millions of our  brothers and sisters are still starving; millions are still sleeping on the  pavements without any shelter; millions of children are severely malnourished  and remain illiterate; and millions of people are yet to get the basic amenities  like drinking water, health facilities, or electricity. Therefore, this  generation has to get energy at any cost.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We should maintain the growth momentum in order to give specific relief  to the people, and we require among other things a conducive policy environment;  infrastructural facilities and quality inputs in order to sustain the growth  momentum. Uninterrupted energy supply is vital to all our economic activities,  and it will be more helpful towards the development of the  nation.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The per capita consumption of energy is very much necessary as it is the  indicator of the level of economic development of a country. On an average, our  energy consumption is only 1\/20th of energy consumed by a person  living in a developed nation. Despite the critical linkage between energy and  development, access to energy for the poor has not received sufficient  attention. Our economic development is dependent on energy because the economic  development is energy intensive.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Our domestic reserves of fossil fuels are rather limited. Therefore, we  have to import major proportion of gas, crude oil and petroleum products. This  import incurs heavy expenditure, and that cost is putting severe strain on our  economy. Therefore, augmenting and diversifying our energy resources is  essential for our nation. This is important not only from the economic point of  view, but also on strategic considerations.[r65]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
We  must explore all the sources of energy \u2013 whether hydel, thermal,  non-conventional or nuclear. Nuclear power generating capacity should be  improved because that is the only avenue available now. To meet the demands of  expanding economy, this Deal is very, very important. This Deal frees our  country from 33 years of unfair restrictions imposed on us following the  peaceful nuclear test conducted by hon. Indira Gandhi in 1974.\n<\/p>\n
I  congratulate our Prime Minister and the team of negotiators for having  negotiated this Deal. Our Prime Minister is a man of honesty, integrity and  uprightness, and nobody can question his bona fides. Without compromising  on India\u2019s key positions, he has clinched this Deal. It enables India to acquire  civilian nuclear technology. At the same time, we are able to have access to the  dual-use technologies.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This Agreement with India is unique, singular and exceptional in view of  the fact that we are the only country who is a non-NPT member. Therefore, they  have entered into an Agreement with a non-NPT member. It recognizes India as a  responsible country with advanced nuclear technology. Therefore, this Deal is in  favour of India which nobody can question. Other countries who are our  neighbours are very particular to have this type of pact with the US with the  same terms and conditions that have been extended to India. That itself is a  proof that our Deal is in our favour.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Concerns have been expressed about the right to conduct further nuclear  tests and whether we have been curbed from conducting nuclear tests in the  future. So far as this issue is concerned, our concerns are misplaced. A mere  reading of the text will clearly go to show that if at all there is a test, we  have to explain the circumstances under which we carried out the tests. That  point should be taken into account. Also, it provides for a process of  consultation before terminating it.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have got a provision for compensation also. Suppose, America decides  to take back all the materials that have been furnished, we have got a provision  for compensation. These things are provided for in the Deal. So far as the  nuclear stockpiles are concerned, it is not good for India. We are not after  waging any wars. India is a country which does not believe in wars. The military  strategic argument for stockpiling arms is detrimental to the interest of any  nation. We stand for peace and tranquillity. We have been fighting for that. We  do not have intransigent attitude or uncompromising attitude. We have been  preaching Panchasheel Policy and, therefore, India must focus on faster economic  development and equitable distribution of opportunities, wealth and resources to  every one of its citizens.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Certain genuine concerns have been expressed by our Left allies. They  stem not only from the Agreement per se but also from the general  direction of our foreign policy initiatives. Therefore, not only from the text,  but also from the context, they are raising certain questions. Our Prime  Minister has taken effective steps by issuing statements twice with regard to  them. He has allayed their fears and he has also clarified the apprehensions. A  mere reading of those two statements clearly establish that there is no point in  having those apprehensions and that we can get on with the Deal.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Some  other parties are opposing it and I do not know why they are opposing it.  Without showing any reason or without knowing the reasons, they are opposing it  tooth and nail. Had they continued in power, they would have clinched this Deal  and they would have claimed that they had done a wonderful job. But quite  unfortunately or fortunately, they were sent out of power, and now they are  opposing this Deal. Like a Chameleon, they are changing their colours. After  crossing the fence, they have changed their colours. [r66]\u00a0[KMR67]\u00a0When  they were in power they were of one opinion and they are airing a different  opinion now when they are in the Opposition. They are taking a different stance  now. They are famous for their doublespeak. They are determined to oppose  whatever the Government does. They are ready to oppose the Government view  either in the name of Ram or in the name of bomb. They are all men of diction  but they tell untruth. We are fighting for power for the betterment of the  public. They are fighting for power, the political power. They are men of  diction but have now become men of addiction to power.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Renowned Tamil poet Thiru Valluvar said,   <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201cGunam  Naadi  Kuttramum Naadi Avattrul  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0 Migai Naadi Mikka  Kollal\u201d  <\/p>\n
That  means, \u201cWeigh  good and evil well.\u00a0 Weigh merits  and demerits. Judge by virtues that prevail\u201d. Whenever we look into this  agreement, there are merits and there is good. Therefore, it is the virtues that  prevail. Therefore, we have to support the agreement. I welcome this agreement  because it is not entered at the cost of the three important aspirations of our  country \u2013 (1) autonomy of our strategic nuclear programme, (2) indigenous  three-stage nuclear programme, (3) India\u2019s research and developmental  activities.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I consider this  agreement to be a unique and historical agreement by which India will become the  only country in the world to pursue a a nuclear development programme even  without signing the NPT and still being allowed to conduct nuclear trade with  the NSG member-countries. What else do we want? This is a win-win situation for  us. I would request all our friends to have oneness of opinion, modicum of  thought and perfect symphony in supporting this agreement. I hope that all of us  would support this agreement. I on behalf of my DMK Party and my beloved leader  Kalaignar support this agreement.\n<\/p>\n
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The Union Executive has no  authority to enter into any binding treaty unless it is agreed to by the  Parliament. In support of this assertion, articles 53, 73 and 253 of Indian  Constitution were cited. \u201d He further said, \u201cThe nuclear deal without  ratification by Parliament is not only undemocratic but is also  unconstitutional. The national laws of US are already embedded in the 123  agreement. The Government cannot deny that Hyde Act will apply to the deal.\u201d \u092f\u0942\u090f\u0938 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u091c\u094b \u0935\u0930\u094d\u0937 2005 \u0938\u0947  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0927\u093e\u0928\u092e\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0915\u094d\u0930\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0936\u0941\u0930\u0942 \u0915\u0940\u0964 \u00a0\u092a\u094d\u0930\u0927\u093e\u0928\u092e\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0914\u0930 \u092c\u0941\u0936 \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u0940\u091a \u0915\u0930\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0930\u0947  \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u093e\u0924\u091a\u0940\u0924 \u0939\u0941\u092f\u0940\u0964\u00a0 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0905\u092e\u0947\u0930\u093f\u0915\u093e \u0915\u0940  \u0938\u0940\u0928\u0947\u091f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u0930\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u092a\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0947\u0902 85\/12 \u0935\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0939\u0941\u092f\u0940\u0964\u00a0 \u0935\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0935\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0939\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0924\u094b \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902  \u0935\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948?\u00a0 \u092f\u0939  \u092f\u0942\u0928\u0940\u0932\u0947\u091f\u0930\u0932 \u0939\u0948\u0964\u00a0 This is not  bilateral.\u00a0 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u094b \u092c\u0924\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\u00a0 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u094b\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 Article  253 reads, “Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of this  Chapter, Parliament has power to make any law for the whole or any part of the  territory of India for implementing any treaty, agreement or convention with any  other country or countries or any decision made at any international conference,  association or other body\u201d. \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947  \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u092a\u093e\u0938 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0924\u093e?\u00a0 \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0930 \u0907\u0924\u0928\u0940 \u0915\u0902\u091f\u094d\u0930\u093e\u0935\u0930\u094d\u0938\u0940 \u0939\u0941\u092f\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964\u00a0 \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u0926\u094b\u0938\u094d\u0924 \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u0924\u094b \u0938\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0935\u093f\u0926\u0921\u094d\u0930\u093e \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0935\u093e\u0932\u0947 \u0925\u0947\u0964\u00a0 \u092f\u0939 \u091f\u094d\u0930\u0940\u091f\u0940 \u0910\u0938\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u091c\u094b \u0939\u093f\u0902\u0926\u0941\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u094b \u092a\u0902\u0917\u0941  \u092c\u0928\u093e \u0926\u0947\u0917\u0940\u0964\u00a0 [p68]\u00a0\u092f\u0939  \u0910\u0938\u0940 \u091f\u094d\u0930\u0940\u091f\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092c\u0924\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u091a\u0940\u0928 \u0928\u0947 1985 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092f\u0942\u090f\u0938 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u090f\u0917\u094d\u0930\u0940\u092e\u0948\u0902\u091f \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e  \u0925\u093e\u0964\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0906\u092a \u0915\u0943\u092a\u092f\u093e \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964 India  has developed nuclear weapons, but it is not recognized as a nuclear weapons  state by the five official Nuclear Weapons States \u2013 US, Russia, Britain, France  and China, which had all tested their nuclear devices prior to the existence of  the NPT.\u00a0 \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928  \u0935\u0947 \u0939\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0926\u0947\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 The  Hyde Act calls for achieving a moratorium on the production of fissile material  for explosive purposes by India, Pakistan and the People\u2019s Republic of China. 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MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: You can lay your speech.\n<\/p>\n
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\u0905\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u00a0\u0906\u092a \u090f\u0915 \u0932\u093e\u0907\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964 You  can say that you reject this.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI  MOHAN RAWALE <\/a>: Let the Government come forward.\u00a0 [MSOffice70]\u00a0\u091c\u0948\u0938\u093e  \u0915\u093f \u0938\u0941\u092c\u0939 \u0926\u093e\u0938\u092e\u0941\u0902\u0936\u0940 \u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u091a\u0930\u094d\u091a\u093e \u0939\u094b \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0924\u094b \u0907\u0938\u0915\u093e \u092e\u0924\u0932\u092c \u092f\u0939 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0907\u0938\u0947  \u0938\u092d\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u094d\u092f\u0924\u093e \u092e\u093f\u0932 \u0917\u092f\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n
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MR.  SPEAKER<\/a>: Yes, you can lay it.\u00a0\u00a0 I hope it deals with the Nuclear Deal.\n<\/p>\n
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*\u2026*  This part of the speech was laid on the Table.\n<\/p>\n
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In  India, the opposition to the bill is based on an entirely different perspective.  India has remained a non-signatory of the Nuclear-Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT)  since the Treaty entered into force in 1970, following U.S. ratification.  Staying outside of the NPT-regime, India has tested its nuclear devices on three  occasions\u2014once in 1974 and twice in 1998. In other words, India has developed  nuclear weapons, but it is not recognized as a nuclear weapons state by the five  official Nuclear Weapons States-(NWS)\u2014 United States, Russia, Britain, France,  and China\u2014which had all tested their nuclear devices prior to the existence of  the NPT.\n<\/p>\n
The  issue of future nuclear tests is important to the opponents of the bill in  India, because they consider that such tests are necessary in order to upgrade  India’s nuclear weapons to match nuclear developments elsewhere, and provide  security to the nation. The Hyde Act that President Bush signed categorically  demands that India ban all nuclear explosive tests in the future. It, however,  does not address the ‘fact that the United States itself is working on the  design of a “Reliable Replacement Weapon” (RRW) to modernize its nuclear  arsenal, and may indeed carry out a test in the future!  <\/p>\n
Moreover,  in the “Definitions” section of the contested 11, it is clearly stated that the  “Additional Protocol” is to be based on the Model Additional protocol of the  IAEA applicable to non-nuclear-weapon states, which is highly intrusive. It is  maybe pointed out that the Hyde Act makes it clear that the U.S. President has  to satisfy himself that India is working actively on an early conclusion of the  Fissile Material Control ” regime (FMCT); that India is supporting the United  States in preventing the spread of enrichment and reprocessing technologies; and  that India adheres to the Misssile Test Control Regime (MTCR) and NSG guidelines  (without actually being invited to be a member of these bodies). These actions  which India is obliged to take are not consistent with what “a strategic  partner” (which Washington wishes Indi3 to be) should be taking. Neither are  they consistent with what India\u2014described as a “responsible state with advanced  technology”\u2014should be mandated to take.\n<\/p>\n
What  also concerns India’s planners about the bill is the way it has been formulated.  The Hyde Act calls for achieving a moratorium on the production of fissile  material for explosive purposes by India, Pakistan, and the People’s Republic of  China. It may be recalled that China has been producing fissile material for  weapons purposes for a long time, while India was not allowed to by the NWS.  Therefore, stopping production of fissile material at the same point of time  would lead to a serious imbalance. The statement of policy goes on to say that  the United States shall “seek to halt the increase of nuclear weapon arsenals in  South Asia and to promote their reduction and eventual  elimination.”\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 Indian  scientists have made their views known about the inadequacy of the Hyde Act,  citing two specific areas. First-, the bill says categorically that India cannot  reprocess spent fuel from its reactors. it demands this because the United  States claims that the “no reprocessing” clause would-prevent from getting  plutonium, which could be used later for making nuclear weapons.\u00a0 However, there is more to the clause  than meets the eye, India atomic scientists point out.\n<\/p>\n
India  decided on a three-stage nuclear program back in the 1950s, when India’s nuclear  power generation program was set up. In the first stage, natural  uranium (U-238) was used in pressurized heavy water reactors (PHWRs). In the  second stage, the plutonium extracted through reprocessing from the used fuel of  the PHWRs was scheduled to be used to run fast-breeder reactors (FBRs). The  plutonium was used in the FBRs in 70% mixed oxide (MOX)-fuel, to breed  uranium-233 in a thorium-232 blanket around the core. In the final stage, the  FBRs use thorium-232 and produce uranium-233 for use in the third stage  reactors.\n<\/p>\n
To  a certain extent, India has completed the first stage, although it has realized  a dozen nuclear power plants so far. The second stage is only realized by a  small experimental fast breeder reactor (13 MW), at Kalpakkam. Meanwhile, the  Indian authorities have cleared the Department of Atomic Energy’s proposal to  set up a 500 MW prototype of the next-generation fast-breeder nuclear power,  reactor at Kalpakkam, thereby setting the stage for the commercial exploitation  of thorium as a fuel source.\n<\/p>\n
One  reason for India’s commitment to switch over to thorium is its large indigenous  supply. With estimated thorium reserves of some 290,000 tons, it ranks second  only to Australia. Further, the nation’s pursuit of thorium helps to bring  independence from overseas uranium sources. Since India is a non-signatory of  the NPT, its leaders foresaw that its civil nuclear-energy-generation program  would be constrained in the long term by the provisions laid down by the  commercial uranium suppliers. The 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group  demand that purchasers sign the NPT and thereby allow enough oversight to ensure  that the fuel (or the plutonium spawned from it) is not used for making nuclear  weapons. A non-signatory of the NPT is prevented from receiving any  nuclear-related technology and nuclear fuel.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 India already began the construction of the Advanced Heavy Water Reactor  (AHWB) in 2005. The AHWR will use thorium, the “fuel of the future,” to generate  300 MW of electricity\u2014up from its original design output of 235 MW. The fuel for  the AHWR will be a hybrid core, partly thorium-uranium 233 and partly  thorium-plutonium.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
In  other words, if India cannot reprocess the spent fuel to secure plutonium for  the sake of converting thorium into fuel, the thorium reactors will never take  off. Separation of plutonium is essential for the eventual use of thorium as a  nuclear fuel. India therefore expects that reprocessing will be an important  activity of its nuclear energy program This is what has put the Indian atomic  scientists on a warpath against the Singh government’s willingness to accept the  bill.\n<\/p>\n
Natural  uranium contains about 99.3% of the isotope uranium-238 and 0.7% of the  fissionable isotope uranium-235. Although uranium-235 is the rarer of the  uranium isotopes, it is the one that most readily undergoes nuclear  fission, and is thus the most useful for common nuclear applications. Therefore,  to use uranium, the proportion of the uranium-235 isotope found in natural  uranium must be increased. This process of increasing the fraction of  uranium-235 in natural uranium is called enrichment. At the same time, one must  note that while uranium-235 is present in natural uranium in small amounts,  uranium-233 does not exist in nature. Therefore, thorium-232 must be converted  to uranium-233 in order to generate nuclear power.\n<\/p>\n
The  second concern of the Indian scientists is the scope of “full civilian nuclear  energy cooperation” (Section 123 of the U.S. Atomic Energy Act) that was  promised to India in July 2005. India had assumed that this term encompassed the  fuel cycle, namely enrichment of uranium and reprocessing of spent fuel. In the  “discussions leading to the adoption of the Hyde Act, U.S. legislators argued  that the U.S. Atomic Energy Act Of .1954 specifically forbids export of these  technologies, as also heavy water production technology, to other countries.  India has developed its own technologies in these three important  areas.\n<\/p>\n
India’s  top atomic scientists have spelled out some of the key points to be incorporated  in the 123 agreement are:\n<\/p>\n
\u2022  India should not be asked to participate in international non-\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 proliferation efforts with a  policy congruent to that of the United States.\n<\/p>\n
\u2022\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There  should be full-scale civilian nuclear cooperation, with an assurance of constant  fuel supply.\n<\/p>\n
\u2022\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 India  should be free to carry out more nuclear weapons tests.\n<\/p>\n
There  are four main areas of interest for the US to enter into the nuclear cooperation  agreement with India. Firstly, this will generate over $150 billion worth of  business opportunities to companies producing nuclear reactors, which would in  turn be financed by US based transnational banks. Secondly, the Defence  Cooperation Agreement, which preceded the nuclear cooperation agreement, would  pave the way for the sale of sophisticated weaponry to India creating a huge  market for the military industrial complex of the US. Thirdly, this would enable  the US to draw India into the National Missile Defence System, which symbolizes  the hegemonic design of the US to dominate the entire world. Fourthly, the US  wants India to become its strategic ally in Asia, especially in the backdrop of  the ASEAN taking a position against the Iraq War and the strengthening of the  Shanghai Cooperation Organization comprising of Russia, China and other Central  Asian republics. The provisions in the Hyde Act clearly point towards these  strategic goals of the US. Nuclear cooperation would provide the leverage to the  US to make India fall in line.\n<\/p>\n
Our  main weakness regarding nuclear energy is a limited supply of uranium which can  be expanded by more mining or going for the thorium cycle. The government  without doing any of this has suddenly pushed 123 Agreement with the US, when  India today is on the threshold of completing the Thorium cycle. Contrary to the  assurance made by the prime minister, the nuclear deal has not assured “full”  nuclear cooperation. Technology would continue to be denied to India in crucial  areas.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
The  legal aspects of the nuclear deal question the claim that the 123 Agreement does  not require ratification by the Indian Parliament.\u00a0 The union Executive has no authority to  enter into any binding treaty unless it is ratified by parliament.\u00a0 In support of this assertion, three  articles from the Indian constitution are sighted: Articles 53, 73 and 253 along  with entry numbers 6 and 30 from the union list. On the basis of these- to go  ahead with the nuclear deal without ratification of parliament is not only  undemocratic but also unconstitutional. The national laws of  the US are already embedded in the 123 Agreement and the government cannot deny  that Hyde Act will apply to the deal.\n<\/p>\n
What  are India’s problems that force us into needing this  agreement?\n<\/p>\n
First  off, we need energy to sustain our growing economy. We can’t depend too much on  the middle-east to supply fossil fuel for two reasons:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
1)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They  are getting costlier\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
2)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That  region is constantly volatile. Also, we don’t have quality coal available freely  in India anymore. Some are hidden underneath our rainforests and we will have to  destroy a bit of our ecology to plough them out.\n<\/p>\n
We  have very minimal uranium. We need nuclear fuel badly.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the last 40 years, we have been zealously developing this technology  all by our own, though the advanced technology that this agreement is going to  bring will help.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What are we  losing in this bargain?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
We  have to agree not to develop nuclear weapons using the fuel and the technology  that the US is going to provide us. In order to do this, we have to identify a  set of reactors that will use the fuel and the techie stuff comes from them. And  understandably, there will be audits to ensure that we are not “sneaking’ out  any stuff outside to the reactors used for military purposes. These audits will  be carried out by IAEA, International Atomic Energy Agency. India has identified  14 out of 22 reactors as ‘civilian’ and hence these will come under the IAEA  surveillance.\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
We  will also have to work with US in terms of combating other countries that are  aspiring for nuclear weapons, namely Iran.\n<\/p>\n
The  third most important aspect is about our right to conduct further tests.  Interestingly, India has voluntarily capped a moratorium on further tests but we  still have the right to test a nuke or two in case the situation demands. Going  back a couple of decades, all the signatories of NPT have tested nukes after  that. Considering the prevailing situation, India will not want to conduct  another test, unless or otherwise it sees a  threat. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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