{"id":139387,"date":"2007-12-01T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-11-30T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-the-sashastra-seema-bal-bill-2007-discussion-on-1-december-2007"},"modified":"2016-11-11T03:55:11","modified_gmt":"2016-11-10T22:25:11","slug":"discussion-on-the-sashastra-seema-bal-bill-2007-discussion-on-1-december-2007","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-the-sashastra-seema-bal-bill-2007-discussion-on-1-december-2007","title":{"rendered":"Discussion On The Sashastra Seema Bal Bill, 2007 (Discussion … on 1 December, 2007"},"content":{"rendered":"
Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n
Discussion On The Sashastra Seema Bal Bill, 2007 (Discussion … on 1 December, 2007<\/div>\n<\/p>\n
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Title<\/a>: Discussion on the Sashastra Seema Bal Bill, 2007 (Discussion concluded and Bill Passed).  <\/p>\n
MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Now, the House will take up item no. 10, the Sashastra Seema Bal Bill, 2007.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hon. Minister please.\n<\/p>\n
THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move* :\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThat the Bill to provide for the constitution and regulation of an armed force of the Union for ensuring the security of the borders of India and for matters connected therewith, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consideration. \u201d  <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Special Services Bureau, now Sashastra Seema Bal, was raised in 1963 under the Cabinet Secretariat in the backdrop of Chinese aggression.\u00a0 The organization was initially functional in the regions of the then North-East Frontier, North Assam, North Bengal, hills of Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu.\u00a0Subsequently, its activities were extended to other areas in Manipur, Tripura, Meghalaya, Sikkim, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Mizoram, South Bengal, Nagaland and some areas of Jammu and Kashmir between 1965 and 1991.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The SSB was initially assigned \u201cStay Behind Role\u201d wherein the non-uniformed Area Wing was primarily responsible for organizing, planning and execution of the assigned tasks and the uniformed wing was providing administrative and logistic support for the same.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On 15th January, 2001, the control of the SSB was transferred to the Ministry of Home Affairs, in pursuance of the recommendations of the Group of Ministers on reforming the National Security System.\u00a0 The Ministry of Home Affairs entrusted to the SSB the role of guarding Indo-Nepal border, stretching over 1,751 kms.[MSOffice14]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
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 * Moved with the recommendation of the President\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On 12th March, 2004, the Ministry has further assigned the task of guarding Indo-Bhutan Border to the SSB, stretching over 699 kilometres.\u00a0The SSB seeks to achieve these objectives by policing the border through armed combatized wing which has been re-structured into 41 Battalions.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The organizational structure, sphere of responsibilities and role of Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) has undergone a considerable change over a period of time.\u00a0The Force has expanded both in size and responsibility.\u00a0 At present, the SSB is performing the Border Guarding duties on Indo-Nepal and Indo-Bhutan borders through its Armed combatized wing with the following objectives:-   to promote a sense of security among      the people living in the border areas;  to prevent trans-border crimes and      unauthorized entry into or exit from the territory of India; and  to prevent smuggling and any other      illegal activities.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The organizational structure and sphere of responsibility of the SSB have undergone a qualitative change since its inception in 1963.\u00a0 The role and duties entrusted to it as a Border Guarding Force (BGF) on Indo Nepal Border and Indo Bhutan Border have necessitated enactment of a comprehensive legislation to be called the Sashastra Seema Bal Act, on the lines of similar Acts for other Border guarding Forces especially the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBPF) Act which is the latest Act of a Border guarding Force on account of the following factors:-   to lend statutory backing to the      Organization\/Force and clothe it with a separate and independent identity      at par with other Border Guarding Forces;  to dispense with the existing      arrangement of extending selective applicability of the provisions of the      CRPF Act 1949 to SSB personnel and to introduce uniformity by enacting a      separate comprehensive legislation for the SSB;  to reinforce superintendence,      guidance and control for effective operational efficiency and management      of the Forces to achieve its organizational objectives as a border      guarding force; and  to pave way for cohesive      organizational structure as also to provide for a set of rules, methods      and procedures in matters of discipline and performance.\n<\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The following are the salient features of the proposed legislation:-   Constitution of the Sashastra Seema      Bal as an Armed Force of the Union with provisions for control, direction      and service conditions of the Force personnel.  The details as regards the      constitution of the Force and conditions of service of its members and the      powers of the Director General, SSB, are incorporated in Chapter II      (clauses 4 to 15).  Bringing under purview of the      proposed Bill all persons appointed (whether on deputation or in any other      manner) in the Force, namely:-\n<\/p>\n
(i)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Officers and subordinate officers; and  <\/p>\n
(ii)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Under-Officers and other personnel so enrolled.\n<\/p>\n
4. Constitution of the SSB Force Courts and provision for the powers, processes and procedures to be followed, and the penalties which can be imposed are contained in Chapters III and IV (Clauses 16 to 60) and Chapter VII to IX (Clauses 76 to 132) of the proposed legislation.\u00a0\u00a0 Death penalty has been stipulated for certain grave categories of offences (Clauses 16 and 17).[a15]\u00a0   <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Out of 11 Chapters in this Bill, Chapter 2 relates to the Constitution of the Force and conditions of service of the members of the Force. Chapters 3 and 4 deal with the Offences and Punishments. Chapter 5 deals with the Deductions from Pay and Allowances of the persons subject to the Act. Chapter 6 deals with the Arrest and Proceedings before trial of the persons subject to the Act. Chapters 7, 8 and 9 deal with the Force Courts, Procedure of Force Courts and Confirmations and Revision of Proceedings of Force Courts. Chapter 10 deals with Execution of Sentences, Pardons, Remissions etc. and Chapter 11 deals with the Powers and Duties, Protection for acts done by members of the Force.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Sashastra Seema Bal in existence at the commencement of this Act, shall be deemed to be a Force constituted under this Act and the members of the Sashastra Seema Bal in existence at the commencement of this Act shall be deemed to have been appointed or as the case may be enrolled under this Act.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Moreover, anything done or any action taken before the commencement of this Act in relation to\u00a0 the constitution of Sashastra Seema Bal in relation to any person appointed or enrolled as the case may be shall be as valid and as effective in law as if such thing or action was done or taken under this Act. However, nothing shall render any person guilty of any offence in respect of anything done or omitted to be done before the commencement of this Act.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 All expenses incurred concerning the administration of this Force would be met from the \u2018Consolidated Fund of India\u2019. As the Force has already been constituted, no additional expenditure of non-recurring nature is likely to be involved when this Bill is enacted and brought into force.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Sashastra Seema Bal Bill, 2007, has been passed by the Rajya Sabha on 28.11.2007.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With these words, Sir, I commend this Bill to this august House for consideration and approval.\n<\/p>\n
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MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0\u00a0 Shri Tapir Gao to speak now.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI TAPIR GAO <\/a>(ARUNACHAL EAST<\/a>): Hon.Speaker, Sir, I seek your permission to speak from here.\n<\/p>\n
MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0Do you not like your own seat?\n<\/p>\n
SHRI TAPIR GAO <\/a>:\u00a0\u00a0Sir, at the outset, I would like to say that the Sashastra Seema Ball Bal, 2007 is a very important Bill and I am here to support this Bill. But I have got a lot of views on this Bill. I would like to highlight them in this connection.\n<\/p>\n
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(Shri Arjun Sethi\u00a0 in the Chair)  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I salute the services of the SSB. As has rightly been pointed out by the hon. Home Minister at the outset, this organization, SSB \u2013 earlier, it was called as the Special Service Bureau which was formed in 1963 \u2013 was to inculcate a sense of security in the border areas and the citizens of the NEFA \u2013 the North-East Frontier Agency, which is today called Arunachal Pradesh after the 1962 aggression.\u00a0 Proudly, the people of Arunachal Pradesh can say that only because of the SSB\u2019s services, they are calling Jai Hind in all the remotest corners of Arunachal Pradesh.\u00a0 The SSB, in those days, was well organized and the initial role of the SSB in NEFA was very unique and its salient features were to provide humanitarian assistance, to maintain integrity and to provide security to the nation and the people.\n<\/p>\n
I have gone through the Bill. Luckily, I am in the Standing Committee on Home Affairs. So, I have got access to this Bill. Hence, I would like to point out that the initial role of the SSB of 1963 was to inculcate a sense of security among the border people and subsequently it has been changed. But I have some fear. I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister and the Government of India and I would like to make a mention of the Padmanabiah Committee\u2019s\u00a0recommendations of 1999 also. [R16]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
I fear if I am not wrong, I would like to get the reply from the Home Minister regarding the salient features of the role of SSB today.\u00a0 In the initial stages, the role of SSB was to inculcate a sense of security and spirit of resistance in the border populace and perform \u201cStay Behind\u201d role during enemy invasion or occupation, promoting national awareness and security consciousness among the people of the border areas, generating mass support in the border areas through National Integration Programme and welfare activities and countering enemy propaganda through psychological operations and awareness campaigns.\u00a0 Now, as the hon. Home Minister has rightly pointed out, I think now it is limited to only three points.\u00a0 They are to promote a sense of security among the people living in the border area; to prevent trans-border crimes and unauthorised entry into or exit from the territory of India; and to prevent smuggling and any other illegal activities on the border.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today, I would proudly like to say and you can see it for yourself that today, in spite of China\u2019s repeated claims on the territory of Arunachal Pradesh, not a single Arunachali supports it.\u00a0 All this is because of the services rendered\u00a0 by SSB for four decades in Arunachal Pradesh.\u00a0\u00a0 So, I salute the services, rendered by SSB.\u00a0 That is why, I highlighted the initial role of SSB in this country.\u00a0 They organise the villagers and make volunteers in the villages.\u00a0 By this, they generate Indianness among the people living in the border areas.\u00a0 We have seen it with our own eyes.\u00a0 Secondly, you cannot get the intelligence information from across the border with your uniform.\u00a0 The SSB were having some non-uniform workers also in those days.\u00a0\u00a0 I hope the present day SSB is also having them for intelligence accumulation from across the border.\u00a0 So, it was so well organised.\u00a0 This force has got the strength to guard the international borders with Nepal and Bhutan.\u00a0\u00a0I think today the Bhutan border and the Nepal border are more sensitive than the Western border with Pakistan.\u00a0All untoward activities, extremism, unlawful entries and anti-India propaganda are enrouted through the Nepal border.\u00a0 Therefore, the same spirit of\u00a0SSB\u2019s working should be maintained in the future also.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today, the SSB is guarding 1,700 kilometres of border with Nepal and 699 kilometres of border with Bhutan with high altitudes and all dangerous trends in the Himalayan range.\u00a0 Therefore, Sir, we need to maintain its initial role and it need to be strengthened by Padamanabaiah Committee\u2019s recommendations.\u00a0 [MSOffice17]\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
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Sir, earlier the SSB\u2019s role was to stay behind, but now they have been asked to guard the border. So, same type of facilities should be extended to the SSB also which may require better coordination with intelligence agencies and the main intelligence agencies should look into this aspect.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have gone through the Bill. The hon. Minister has very rightly brought this Bill now and we support this Bill and I hope this Bill comes under the Armed Forces Act which is good for the Armed Forces personnel who are serving in the SSB. In Clause 7 of the Bill, it is stated that their jurisdiction will not be limited to the country and every member of the force shall be liable to serve both inside the country as well as outside India. If the personnel of SSB are to be sent on UN services outside the country, then in addition to the nomenclature of SSB, like ITBP, CRPF etc., we may also give an English name for this force like Border Armed Force or Border Police Force so that it gets a broader sense when its personnel are sent outside India.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I have been appointed as one of the members for looking after the housing facilities of para-military forces.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI TAPIR GAO <\/a>: Sir, please give me a little more time.\n<\/p>\n
\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f<\/a>: \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u0924\u0930\u092b \u0938\u0947 \u091a\u093e\u0930 \u0938\u094d\u092a\u0940\u0915\u0930\u094d\u0938 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0925\u094b\u0921\u093c\u093e \u0936\u0949\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n
\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0924\u093e\u092a\u093f\u0930 \u0917\u093e\u0935 <\/a>: \u091c\u093f\u0924\u0928\u093e \u0939\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0947\u0917\u093e, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0936\u0949\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0915\u094b\u0936\u093f\u0936 \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e\u0964\n<\/p>\n
Sir, in para-military forces, housing facility has been given only to 25 per cent of their personnel, but in SSB it is less than one per cent. Therefore, the housing aspect of SSB personnel may kindly be looked into seriously because they have to work in the remote, Himalayan ranges and they will have to look after their family members like old aged father, mother etc. So, this is an area where the Government of India should pay attention.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, para-military forces have been given flying facilities as it has been given to their DGs and also for evacuation of their soldiers at the time of any casualty. Now, SSB is looking after more than 45 Outposts at an altitude of more than 10,000 feet above the sea level in the Himalayan ranges in the Nepal border and Bhutan border. At the time of any casualty, they cannot carry out evacuation as they do not have flying facility now. Nepal border is the corridor of naxalities. Therefore, for quick deployment and better operation of this force, flying facility may be extended to SSB like it has been given to other para-military forces.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Then, with regard to enrolment to this force, as per the guidelines, 20 per cent of their recruitment should be from the guarding areas, another 20 per cent should be from militancy-affected areas and the remaining 60 per cent should be from the rest of the country.[R18]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [r19]\u00a0The silent feature of the SSB was in regard to recruitment of non-citizens\u2019 enrolment also.\u00a0This is a good service that they have rendered for the four decades in the nation building.\u00a0 Therefore, there may not be enrolment only but they should be allowed to recruit non-citizens services on the border so that they can get a lot of intelligence information from outside the territory also.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Please wind up now.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI TAPIR GAO <\/a>: Sir, for the first time in my life, if I handled arms and ammunition, it was through SSB only.\u00a0 I was one of the volunteers in those days and for the first time in my life I fired 303 in the SSB camp.\u00a0 Therefore, this organization has a vast role in social upliftment, for voluntary organizations in the border areas.\u00a0 The same type of initial stage should be there.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
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(Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair)  <\/p>\n
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The recommendations of the Padmanabhaiya Committee be kindly implemented so that this organization can do lot of services in protecting the borders, protecting us from the enemies and doing social service for the people living in the border areas.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With these words, I support this Bill.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI NIKHIL KUMAR <\/a>(AURANGABAD, BIHAR<\/a>): Sir, I rise to support the Sashastra Seema Bal Bill that has been introduced by the Government to give legal and statutory power to what was earlier the Special Services Bureau and which has now been renamed as the Sashastra Seema Bal.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As the hon. Home Minister has, in his presentation, mentioned the background of the SSB, a force that was established in 1963 to perform mainly the stay-behind role and now after 44 years, it has been found necessary to give it a different role.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I personally feel that this is something that was long awaited and should have been done much earlier.\u00a0 I say this because I am personally aware of the sensitivity of the Indo-Nepal Border.\u00a0 This border is nearly 1800 kms. long and it is open, it is porous.\u00a0 It is so following the provisions of the Indo-Nepal Friendship Treaty of 1950 in which there were provisions especially incorporated to promote Indo-Nepal Friendship and Amity and the preservation of centuries of our common culture.\n<\/p>\n
But this sincere attempt at promoting friendship with Nepal has been misused by forces inimical to India\u2019s interest and I am aware also of the fact that it is extremely difficult to police this long border.\u00a0 As a result, it is possible to cross from Nepal into India and from India into Nepal without there being any serious checking or monitoring of such movements.\u00a0 Consequently, we have faced the brunt, as my dear colleague, Shri Tapir Gao, has mentioned, this has become even more sensitive,\u00a0 this border with Nepal than our western border.\u00a0 Any number of incidents which have been orchestrated by terrorists seated across our border have been so done by people who have entered India across this border.\u00a0 Therefore, it became extremely essential to organize some kind of effective policing of this border.\n<\/p>\n
The SSB, which was basically, as the hon. Home Minister has very rightly mentioned, in a somewhat dual role, it was stay-behind role in a non-uniform way and it was given logistical support, etc. by a uniformed force.\u00a0 Without meaning to cast aspersions on the force, it was doing very good wo[r20]\u00a0rk.\n<\/p>\n
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But the fact also is that, at a certain point of time, that Force was not very clear as to what it is supposed to do; whether it is supposed to perform uniform duties or it is supposed to perform non-uniformed duties.\u00a0However, that is now past.\u00a0 A time had come when the SSB was not, if I may submit, quite clear as to what duties it is supposed to perform.\u00a0 At the same time, the Government was faced with the serious problem of policing the open and porous border with Nepal.\u00a0Therefore, a very sensible decision was taken to deploy the SSB on this border. I am aware personally of this deployment.\u00a0 I met people from this Force who were deployed along this border.\u00a0 They lacked the infrastructure to police a border; they lacked the training; they lacked the arms; they lacked the necessary logistics to be able to perform their duties effectively.\u00a0 The most important thing was that they needed to change their mindset.\u00a0 Earlier, their mindset was quite different; and now their mindset is supposed to be akin to a border guarding force.\u00a0 Therefore, it became utterly essential to ensure that the border guarding duties to be performed by the SSB in its new avatar should be effective and should, therefore, have a legal cover.\u00a0 There is no other way to do it except to provide them with a proper enactment.\u00a0 It is for this that this new Bill has been introduced.\u00a0 Therefore, it has come not a day too late.\u00a0 I support it fully.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But, Sir, there are a couple of considerations which I would like to submit for the consideration of the hon. Home Minister and the Government.\u00a0 There will, now, be three border guarding Forces.\u00a0There will be the Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB); there will be the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP); and there will be the Border Security Force (BSF).\u00a0 I recall that some time back a Group of Ministers has been constituted to go into the question of internal security and external security.\u00a0 As you all know, internal security in India is, now, largely governed by or determined by happenings outside the border.\u00a0Therefore, it became very necessary to see what kind of policing, what kind of border policing is being done in this country.\u00a0 So, the Group of Ministers mentioned in one of its recommendations that all these Forces should go back to their primary duties.\u00a0 If you are in the Border Security Force, you should go to the borders; if you are in the Central Reserve Police Force, you should manage internal security duties; if you are in the Indo-Tibetan Border Police \u2013 it is a border guarding Force \u2013 then you should go to the borders.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
Now, this is a new border guarding Force. With this, there will be three new border guarding Forces.\u00a0 My sincere apprehension is that there is bound to be some amount of coordination problems amongst these three.\u00a0 This coordination has to be organised and overseen by the Government of India.\u00a0 My appeal to the Government of India is that it should be done.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, please give me some little time.\u00a0 This is a very valuable peace of legislation.\u00a0 It is something very new.\u00a0 Therefore, there are certain considerations which I must place before this hon. House.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
This coordination amongst the three border-guarding Forces is extremely important.\u00a0 There has to be a coordination mechanism so that there is no overlap of the duties.\u00a0 I say this overlap of duties especially with reference to the newly constituted SSB and the ITBP.\u00a0 There is a little grey area as to what will be the areas of responsibility of SSB vis-\u00e0-vis the ITBP.\u00a0 There are portions along the Indo-Tibet border and Indo-Nepal border, especially in Uttarakhand, where the question of actual delineation of areas of responsibility will need to be very carefully looked into.\u00a0 Once that is done, perhaps the Government may also take a decision as to whether this new Force should be so deployed as to not come into conflict with the Indo-Tibetan Border Police.\u00a0 My sincere apprehension is that since this area is a little grey area, there is a little overlap, something should be done to see that this overlap is taken care of and there is no coordination problem.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
The second thing is that \u2013 as my dear friend Shri Tapir Gao mentioned, and I commend him for this \u2013 there is need to look after the welfare of the SSB people.\u00a0 Today, they are lacking in their housing conditions, for instance.\u00a0 They are lacking in the fact that not enough has been done to look after their welfare[r21]\u00a0.\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As it is, the attrition rate of our paramilitary forces is very high.\u00a0 I am not particularly clear about the statistics but I am more than reasonably certain that a number of personnel from the border guarding forces particularly the BSF who take premature retirement and retirement at a time when they are entitled to full attention is very large.\u00a0Now, the Government has to pay a very special attention to this attrition rate, which is in the paramilitary forces.\u00a0 Much the same kind of danger faces the new force which we are creating it.\u00a0 It is a good thing that we are creating it but at the same time we need to look after the welfare of these people.\u00a0 If you do not look after the welfare of these people, then the attrition rate will go on mounting, and the very intention of our border guarding being effective will be belied.\u00a0 So, this is my submission to the Government to look into this.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The third thing is that the SSB is deployed particularly along the Indo-Nepal border, say in the border districts of Bihar, which are infested by a great deal of left wing extremism.\u00a0 Now, here it is mentioned that it will be essentially meant for border guarding and other duties.\u00a0 Now, these other duties will need to be spelt out with special reference to the problem of the left wing extremism in the border districts of Bihar along Nepal.\u00a0There, Sir, a great deal of coordination will be needed between the SSB and the State police of Bihar for the simple reason that there is a great deal of criss-crossing of the left wing extremists between Nepal and India.\u00a0 As we are all aware, there is a very strong movement of the left wing extremists in Nepal and they have very close connections with people in Bihar especially in the northern districts of Bihar, which are on the border of Nepal.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If the SSB is to perform its duties in the manner that we expect it to, then it must be in a position to coordinate its functioning with the State police of Bihar to see that it keeps an eye on the left wing extremism that is burgeoning in the whole area, all around the Nepal border, and today, it is in a position to pose a much greater threat to the security of this country than even terrorism.\u00a0 This will need to be kept in mind, and let not the SSB later on say that this is not a part of its duties.\u00a0 This has to be specified, this has to be clarified and even now when this Bill is being passed, this will have to be brought to the notice of the Government for necessary and appropriate action.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, my final point is that there is an expectation of all of us that the SSB will be deployed along the Indo-Nepal and Indo-Bhutan borders as per the Explanatory Note given to us by the Government along with this draft Bill. That is all very nice but at the same time it also mentions in this Bill that it will be used for border duties in the country.\u00a0 So, what happens if this border guarding force which is supposed to guard the Indo-Nepal and Indo-Bhutan borders is suddenly withdrawn from there and posted elsewhere?\u00a0 It is this which needs to be guarded against because I do think that once this force is aware of the topography which is supposed to police, which is supposed to guard and suddenly it is removed from there, then it will take a long time, Sir, to get to grips with the problems of the new areas.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, these are the three points that I submit for the consideration of the Government.\u00a0 With these words, I also commend that this Bill has been brought not a day too late,\u00a0 I support it fully and it should be passed.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Before I would\u00a0 request the next hon. Member to speak, I have one announcement to make.\u00a0 Since this is the last item in Today\u2019s Revised List of Business, if the House agrees, we would not take lunch break today.\n<\/p>\n
SOME HON. MEMBERS<\/a>: Yes, Sir, we all agree.\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: All right. There will be no lunch-break today.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secondly, I have a long list of hon. Members still to speak on this Bill. Therefore, I would request them to be very brief in this speeches.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, Shri Shailendra Kumar.\u00a0 Please give suggestions and be very brief in your speech.\n<\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u0926\u0942\u0938\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u091c\u094b \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e \u090f\u0935\u0940\u0921\u0947\u0902\u0938-\u090f\u0915\u094d\u091f \u0939\u0948, \u0938\u0940\u0906\u0930\u092a\u0940\u0938\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0906\u0908\u092a\u0940\u0938\u0940, \u0907\u0928 \u0938\u092c\u0915\u0940 \u0917\u093e\u0907\u0921-\u0932\u093e\u0907\u0928\u094d\u0938 \u0907\u0902\u0921\u093f\u092f\u0928 \u090f\u0935\u0940\u0921\u0947\u0902\u0938 \u090f\u0915\u094d\u091f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0964 \u0907\u0902\u0921\u093f\u092f\u0928 \u090f\u0935\u0940\u0921\u0947\u0902\u0938 \u090f\u0915\u094d\u091f \u0915\u0947 \u0924\u0939\u0924 \u091c\u094b \u0905\u092a\u0930\u093e\u0927 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0935\u093e\u0932\u0947 \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0924\u093f \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u092f\u093e \u091c\u093f\u0928 \u092a\u0930 \u0905\u092a\u0930\u093e\u0927 \u0915\u093e \u0906\u0930\u094b\u092a \u0932\u0917\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0910\u0938\u0947 \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0924\u093f\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0938\u093e\u0915\u094d\u0937\u094d\u092f \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u094d\u0924\u0941\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947, \u0915\u0947\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092f\u0925\u0947\u0937\u094d\u091f \u0905\u0935\u0938\u0930 \u0926\u0947\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092d\u0940 \u0907\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u094d\u092a\u0937\u094d\u091f \u092a\u094d\u0930\u093e\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928 \u0939\u094b\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u091c\u0948\u0938\u093e \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0914\u0930 \u0915\u0941\u091b \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947 \u092d\u0940 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0928\u0947\u092a\u093e\u0932 \u0938\u0947 \u0932\u0917\u0924\u093e \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e \u092c\u093e\u0930\u094d\u0921\u0930 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0905\u092c \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u0913\u0935\u093e\u0926\u0940 \u0928\u0947\u092a\u093e\u0932 \u092e\u0947\u0902, \u0938\u0924\u094d\u0924\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092d\u093e\u0917\u0940\u0926\u093e\u0930 \u0939\u094b \u0917\u092f\u0947 \u0939\u094b\u0902, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0906\u091c \u0935\u0947 \u092c\u093f\u0939\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0905\u0936\u093e\u0902\u0924\u093f \u092b\u0948\u0932\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u092c\u093f\u0939\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0935\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0930 \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u092d\u0921\u093c\u0915\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u0905\u092a\u0930\u093e\u0927 \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0909\u0938\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u092d\u0942\u091f\u093e\u0928 \u0938\u0947, \u0905\u0938\u092e \u0938\u0947, \u0932\u0902\u0915\u093e \u0938\u0947 \u092f\u0947 \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0940\u092e\u093e \u092c\u0921\u093c\u0940 \u0932\u092e\u094d\u092c\u0940-\u091a\u094c\u0921\u093c\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u091c \u0915\u0940 \u092a\u0930\u093f\u0938\u094d\u0925\u093f\u0924\u093f\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0916\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0906\u0935\u0936\u094d\u092f\u0915\u0924\u093e \u0925\u0940\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f \u092e\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0907\u0938 \u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0915\u094b \u0932\u093e\u0915\u0930 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0939\u0940 \u0938\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0917\u0924-\u092f\u094b\u0917\u094d\u092f \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0940\u092e\u093e\u0913\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u0930\u0915\u094d\u0937\u093e \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f, \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0940\u092e\u093e\u0913\u0902 \u092a\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u0928\u0947 \u0935\u093e\u0932\u0947 \u092b\u094c\u091c\u093f\u092f\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u0928\u094b\u092c\u0932 \u092c\u0922\u093c\u093e\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f, \u0909\u0928\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u0941\u0930\u0915\u094d\u0937\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u092d\u093e\u0935\u0928\u093e \u092a\u0948\u0926\u093e \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f, \u0907\u0938 \u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0915\u094b \u0932\u093e\u0915\u0930 \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0939\u0940 \u0905\u091a\u094d\u091b\u093e \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0915\u093e \u0905\u092d\u093e\u0935 \u0939\u0948 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0936\u092c\u094d\u0926\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u0925 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0938\u092e\u093e\u092a\u094d\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n
SHRI B. MAHTAB <\/a>(CUTTACK<\/a>): Thank you Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This force has been in existence for the last 40 years. It has projected a benign face of the Government to the border populace of our country. This special service bureau, as has been said, was established in 1963 after the Indo-China war. The basic purpose of that force was to build morale and inculcate spirit of resistance in the border population against threats of subversion, infiltration and sabotage from across the border. These were the three major problems which were faced during that time.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today we have Border Security Force, we have Indo-Tibetan Border Police and since 2004 this new name \u2013 Sashastra Seema Bal \u2013 has come into effect. [k25]\u00a0These are the three border guarding Forces which we have. There are three problems that are to be tackled by this Force because it will be deployed in the open borders – Indo-Nepal border and Indo-Bhutan border and it covers about seven provinces of our country and around 3,000 to 4,000 kilometres of open border. So, as far as I understand, the problems can be confined to three. These are to tackle large-scale smuggling at Indo-Nepal border, to check criminals and the criminal activities which take place in the open borders and to tackle the Maoists\u2019 problem which is becoming a nuisance in our country. This Force is going to work on the Himalayan region which is considered to be one of the most troublesome terrains in the world. So, it is definitely a very difficulty task for the Force to work there as there are gorgeous rivers, difficult terrains and inclement weather. So, when we consider the strength of the Force, we have to consider the ravages of nature which are prevalent there.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As has also been mentioned by the previous speaker, there are 156 Sections in this Bill and it is very exhaustive. In the previous provisions which were there, other than guarding the border, the Intelligence Wing also was strengthened.\u00a0 I went through the Bill. So, I would like to be educated by the hon. Minister as to how you strengthen the Intelligence Wing of this force because for guarding the border by a Force, especially a paramilitary force, the Intelligence Wing needs to be strengthened. In this regard, the first speaker, Shri Tapir Gao had mentioned that it was there earlier and since 1963 till 2003, it was being maintained by the people and a number of people were engaged.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Another aspect is recruitment, as I understand. I went through the report. The attrition aspect was also mentioned by Shri Nikhil Kumar. I would say that there is a sanctioned strength of around 47,000 and odd for this force, but now with respect to both combatised and non-combatised personnel, who are recruited, there are still around 15,000 vacancies. That means around one third of the sanctioned posts are still lying vacant. I would like to understand, because this is the report which I went through, why there are so many vacancies. This is one aspect.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The second thing is the recruitment. As has been mentioned, the recruitment is done as follows \u2013 20 per cent from local area, 20 per cent from militancy affected areas and 60 per cent from the\u00a0 rest of country. As\u00a0 far as I understand, there are certain specifications for certain States. Their height is measured, their weight is measured and things like that are there. There are large tracts which form Orissa, especially the tribal districts. Due to these specifications, though the local people of these districts want to join the Armed Forces and paramilitary forces, they cannot join it. Because their height is at par with Bihar, Jharkhand and Madhya Pradesh, they are unable to cope up. I am talking about Kalahandi district. The next to the border of Orissa is Andhra Pradesh where the height is a bit less. So, Orissa people are denied entry into the service.\u00a0 They are the people of the same tribe, who are there in Andhra Pradesh, get into the service. I think, the Minister should look into it. The specifications of height, weight and other various measurements should be looked into so that more people can get recruited to this Force.[s26]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
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Another aspect that was discussed is about the term \u2018enemy\u2019. It has been mentioned in Clause 2 (1) (a) (i) that their duty is \u201cwhich is engaged in operations against any enemy, or\u201d. The \u2018enemy\u2019 is further explained in section (i), which states that :\n<\/p>\n
\u201c(i) \u201cenemy\u201d includes all mutineers, armed rebels, armed rioters, pirates, terrorists and any person in arms against whom it is the duty of any person subject to this Act to take action;\u201d  <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As we understand, this force is being deployed in the open borders. We have come across a number of instances of how terrorist activities and Maoist activities are taking place by taking the liberty of crossing the open border and coming to our country. Therefore, I do not know the reason why the word \u2018infiltration\u2019 not being included in this Bill. \u2018Infiltration\u2019 needs to be included in it, and the persons who illegally come into our country for a very different purpose of creating trouble in our country. We have come across instances of explosions that have occurred in Hyderabad, Ajmer, Malegaon, or even in Uttar Pradesh. These are instances where people from the neighbouring country have taken advantage of the open border; have come into our country; and have done this type of explosion. Therefore, infiltrators and illegal immigrants should also be treated as enemies. I think that we can control the problem of infiltration in our country in this manner.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have nothing more to say. But at the end, I would only like to remind about the Padmanabhaiah Committee\u2019s Report. The Committee has given its recommendations, and one of the recommendations is that there is a need to motivate the forces that are deployed on the border. We would be happy if necessary steps are taken to motivate the forces that are deployed in these difficult terrains to protect our borders.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With these words, I support this Bill. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: The next speaker is Shri C. K. Chandrappan. Please be very brief while making your speech.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>(TRICHUR<\/a>): Sir, I will be very brief. I support this Bill. Please do not take it otherwise, but I do not know why this Sanskritized-Hindi has been used in the name. The name could have at least been mentioned in brackets in English. I am saying this because I cannot understand the name Sashastra Seema Bal. It is not that I am against Hindi or anything.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Bill envisages that the Special Services Bureau is now being provided with a Statute. It is good, but I would like to ask one thing from the hon. Minister. We have several Border Security Forces that are doing distinctly different jobs. Is it not advisable that we have a joint command, and all of these are kept as separate divisions under them? Everyone having an independent entity with its own command probably will add to our defence expenditure. I am saying this because you need top officials for all these arrangements at the top level. I would like the hon. Minister to enlighten us on this aspect, namely, whether this could be rationalized.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secondly, Clause 13 of this Bill says that the men of this force are not supposed to join any organization, trade unions, etc.[r28]\u00a0 It is understandable that in a force like this such organisations may not be permitted. But then, who will take care of their welfare? I do not find any special arrangement for taking care of their welfare. Welfare means housing, travel, leave and other facilities. Sixty per cent of the Forces, if I understood correctly, will be recruited from all over the country. Suppose a man from Kerala has to travel all the distance over three days in train. If leave is sanctioned to him but no special arrangement for train reservation is made, that man will have to travel unreserved which might lead to a situation where he may get wild. There are cases in which they occupied others\u2019 seats and clashed with people. Things like that have happened. So, there should be a definite welfare programme. Officers should be assigned with statutory powers to ensure better housing, food, leave, travel and other facilities. I do not think this Bill provides such an arrangement.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I understand they have to deal with all kinds of enemies. But we should take note of the fact that in the recent period, especially in Kashmir and Punjab, our forces have been accused of killing people and terming those people as killed in action. There are Human Rights Commission reports about it. There were many complaints also. How will this problem be tackled? They should be given some protection. At the same time, it should be seen that they do not cross the limits beyond which they are not supposed to go. How that will be ensured, I would like to know.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 These are some of the queries which I would like the hon. Minister to answer. We support the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI ABDUL RASHID SHAHEEN <\/a>(BARAMULLA<\/a>): Sir, I rise to support this Bill. I will very briefly submit a few points in order to invite the attention of the hon. Minister towards them.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This Bill has ultimately come before the Parliament for becoming a law. There was a need for this Bill so that we have some legal command over the forces in order to put them in discipline. I can see that in the Sections of this Bill, there are disciplinary actions, special court, etc. That is a necessity of course but I would like to draw the attention of the hon. Minister to the fact that the people who are guarding our borders, laying down their lives to do a greater job, are sometimes in a difficult situation. On a tour of one of the Committees I was in Ladakh when some people represented to me that they did not have many facilities and that was why they were put in a difficult situation. Some of them even wanted to leave the forces. So, we must first take care of our forces. An unhappy force can never be loyal to the best extent, cannot be up to date. If the forces have personal problems, that will certainly reflect upon their actions.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Secondly, we need some sort of training for these forces as we have made a special force to look after the Nepal border. We have the problem of naxalite movement, Leftists, etc. There are probably special situations for which we need to train the personel with some knowledge input, where they must understand what they are going to tackle. Unfortunately, in spite of all the sacrifices made and the great service which the paramilitary forces have done in Kashmir and other places, there were some allegations and aberrations which unfortunately have led to a big upheaval in the people. Their achievements were shadowed by those smaller incidents which took place. I can understand, because of psychological pressures and other difficulties of the forces such things happen.[KMR29]\u00a0   <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In case, we take care of them by giving them some knowledge and input or provide some sort of courses for them during the time so that we educate them about the specialities of the areas, where are placed, things can go better.\u00a0 I would request the Minister to kindly look into the problems of leave and other facilities to the Forces so that they keep themselves happy and do their duty well.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI K. FRANCIS GEORGE <\/a>(IDUKKI<\/a>): I will be very brief, Sir.\u00a0 The Special Services Bureau, which was formed during the time of Pandit ji, is being reorganized into this Sashastra Seema Bal very ably by the hon. Home Minister and the Ministry.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The basic duty of this Force is going to look after the border between India and Bhutan and India and Nepal.\u00a0 Indo-Nepal border has become very sensitive of late with problems in Nepal which are spilling over to our border States like Bihar and parts of Uttar Pradesh.\u00a0 We have a host of paramilitary forces; the CRPF, BSF, ITBP, CISF, the National Security Guards, the Assam Rifles and the Rapid Action Force.\u00a0 To that set we are now forming this SSB.\u00a0 I would request the Home Minister to see that this is a very well modern trained Force, well equipped to perform its duty especially in these very sensitive border areas.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0Today, a report has come that the Defence Minister is visiting Nathula, our border with China, amidst reports that there have been incursions from China into our territory.\u00a0 These people are going to be deployed in very sensitive areas.\u00a0Naturally, there is going to be lot of tension amongst them.\u00a0 Almost all the Members who spoke before me mentioned about the various kinds of indiscipline that is prevalent in the Forces that are deployed in border areas.\u00a0Naturally, because tension is bound to be there amongst our personnel however trained they are.\u00a0 So, a lot of caution, a lot of training is required while we raise Special Forces.\n<\/p>\n
Recently there has been an incident in Kashmir area where one of the officers belonging to my constituency has been shot dead by his own men over a minor argument.\u00a0All this points to lack of proper training in our Forces.[R32]\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, it has been said that out of two lakh personnel in the BSF, in the last 30 months, 41,000 men have quit and from other para-military forces also, people are quitting.\u00a0 On the one side, when you hold recruitment rallies, for example, in a State like Kerala, police has to resort to lathi charge to control the mob of young men and aspirants who want to get into the forces.\u00a0 But on the other side, after getting into it, if they feel dissatisfied and if they feel uneasy about continuing in the forces, there is something wrong in our training or in our running of these forces.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
So, I think the personnel have to feel at home because they are far away from their families.\u00a0 Naturally, they will be worried about their families.\u00a0\u00a0 They will be having old parents.\u00a0 Their wives or children may be sick.\u00a0 They will be worried about the education of their children.\u00a0If the officer community is not able to instil confidence and make them feel at home, naturally, there will be dissatisfaction and problems.\u00a0 Of late, the suicide rate has also been going up among the forces.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
So, I would request the hon. Home Minister to raise it as a model force.\u00a0 Let us provide our men with the most modern facilities to communicate with their family members.\u00a0 Now we have all kinds of facilities.\u00a0 We have mobile services, visual communication facilities, etc.\u00a0 All these facilities have to be provided to them.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
As part of the Standing Committee on Defence, I had gone to Nathula Pass, which is located at about 50,000 to 60,000 feet above sea level.\u00a0 One cannot even breathe properly there.\u00a0 When our men perform their duties under such hazardous and difficult conditions to protect our borders and our country, they should be provided with proper facilities.\u00a0They should be taken proper care to see that it is a satisfied force.\u00a0 Then only they can serve and do their duties to our expectations.\n<\/p>\n
There have been a lot of provisions but I do not want to go into all those details.\u00a0 The Ministry has prepared a very detailed and thorough Bill.\u00a0 I hope that this Force will fulfil its duties and it will be come up to the expectations of the nation.\n<\/p>\n
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DR. SEBASTIAN PAUL <\/a>(ERNAKULAM<\/a>): Sir, at the outset, I regret my inability to pronounce correctly the title of the Bill as well as the name of the Force.\u00a0 This Sashastra Seema Bal\u00a0 is intended to protect our borders but in Clause 4, it is seen that the Force can be given other duties also including perhaps foreign assignments.\u00a0In that context, a more simple instead of this stuttering and tongue twisting nomenclature could have been given to this Force.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
We have so many forces to guard our borders.\u00a0 I do not know the exact number but I wonder how coordination can be effected amongst these Forces.\u00a0 It would have been better if a comprehensive legislation has been brought for a common force or a joint command.\u00a0 Although, the primary duty of this force is to guard our borders, it will definitely come into contact with the civil society.\u00a0 Our experience in the North-East as well as in Kashmir and other States where our jawans are in contact with the civil society, is that there are always conflicts, turbulence and complaints.\u00a0 Even in the airports and other public places where these forces are guarding, our experience is not much satisfactory.\u00a0So, training should be given to these jawans about the need for protecting the constitutional rights of the civil society.\u00a0 That is very important in this area because in the name of security and countering terrorism, more and more restrictions are being imposed and members of these forces should be properly trained and they should be given proper instructions for dealing with the civil society. [R33]\u00a0   <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I am not going into the other aspects of the Bill which is very comprehensive. One thing which is evident from one of the clauses of the Bill is that members of this Force would be prevented from joining any organisation or union. However, they are permitted to associate themselves with any society that is purely social, recreational or religious in nature. There is bound to be difficulty in interpreting\u00a0 this clause because every organisation has a political leaning, for example, the Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh which claims to be a social organisation. It is a very dangerous provision and therefore, it needs a very specific definition and interpretation. With these words I support the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO <\/a>(KALAHANDI<\/a>): Sir, I rise to support this Bill. It is a very good piece of legislation. The Bill seeks to transform a special Service Bureau into an active armed unit or armed force in order to secure our borders more effectively. Presently our borders are quite volatile. We do not have very friendly relations with our neighbours on either side, be it the East or the West. It has been reported in today\u2019s newspaper that the Chinese have blown up two bunkers in the Indian territory. They came within the territory of Arunachal Pradesh and had blown up two of their bunkers. So, under such circumstances we cannot call our borders as fully secure and safe. Keeping in view the perspective the hon. Minister has done the right thing by bringing forward this Bill on the same lines as that of the ITBP. I think, the provisions, as contained in this Bill, will prove to be effective in controlling our borders.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I would like to ask two specific questions to the hon. Minister. This organization has so far been considered as a second line of defence to the Armed Forces. They were mainly engaged in providing intelligence service to the Armed Forces and to the Government of India. Now, it has come under the Ministry of Home. Now, after this Bill is passed, is there enough infrastructure for the welfare of those people who are going to be converted into 41 battalions in seven coys. I would like to know from the hon. Minister if he could assure these people — who work under adverse conditions, like the people working in the Siachin glaciers, and suffer from mental depression resulting even in suicides \u2013 about the proper infrastructure which could ensure for them a good mental health. Proper provisions should be made for education of their children, adequate staff quarters and proper medical facilities and medical facilities.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, it has been mentioned here that the non-uniform civil component of the Force will continue to be dealt with under CCS and CCA rules of 1965 and other Central Civil rules will be completely phased out. I do not know why this is proposed to be phased out. In any kingdom, in any empire, in any sovereign country or State, there should be a strong spying network. Proper intelligence service is necessary because so many terrorist related incidents are taking place in this country because of intelligence failure. Again, narcotics smuggling is going on through our Western Borders. [R34]\u00a0   <\/p>\n
It is going on through the Indo-Nepal border, through the Burma border and through the Myanmar border.\u00a0 So, this Intelligence Service is very vital for any police force or any armed force to work properly and strike at the nerve centre to stop the crime.\u00a0 I would like to quote Kautilya\u2019s Artha Shastra.\u00a0He has advised Chandragupta that he must increase his spy system.\u00a0 And in all the great empires, right from centuries immemorial, existed a good spy system.\u00a0 It may be in the Mughal Empire or the Maurya Empire or the Gupta Empire or afterwards also.\u00a0 But I do not know why the spy system among our forces is being withdrawn.\u00a0 They play a vital link to information on crime along the borders.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI VIJAY BAHUGUNA <\/a>(TEHRI GARHWAL<\/a>):\u00a0 Sir, I stand to support the Bill which constitutes and regulates an Armed Force for providing security on our borders.\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
On the question of clause 4 of the Bill with regard to its constitution, I would like to make an appeal to the hon. Home Minister and also to the hon. Speaker. After the 1962 War, guerilla warfare training was given to the youths of the border States.\u00a0 It was given in the hilly region of Uttar Pradesh which is now called as Uttarakhand.\u00a0Now, several youths have been given training in guerilla warfare.\u00a0 Some of these youths have filed writ petition in the Guwahati High Court. The High Court directed their absorption in the SSB services.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
With regard to the men and women who are from Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh, they have been agitating since long that they should be absorbed or they should be given some benefit.\n<\/p>\n
Now, I appeal to the hon. Home Minister that in constituting this force under clause 4,\u00a0preference can be given to these men and women who have undergone the guerilla armed training in Uttarakhand. It is a border State to Nepal and the growing Maoism is a threat to our country. These youths who have undergone the guerilla warfare training for years together and have become over-aged may be given some preference in absorption.\u00a0This Service will have an Intelligence Wing and a Civilian Wing.\u00a0 So, those armed trained men and women who have now become over-aged could be given civilian nature of work or they could be put under the Intelligence network by which we would be doing justice to such patriotic people of hilly areas which are border States, as they have undergone training.\n<\/p>\n
So, my appeal to the hon. Home Minister is this.\u00a0 These people have got their records..\u00a0 This was continued right upto 2003 when the NDA Government abolished it. If these things are kept in mind and if their interests are protected, the people of Uttarakhand would be thankful to the present Government.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
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DR. H.T. SANGLIANA <\/a>(BANGALORE NORTH<\/a>):\u00a0 Sir, I rise to strongly support the Bill and also thank the hon. Home Minister on behalf of myself and all the SSB officers who have served in this organization in the past for the reason, especially, that the SSB was threatened to be disbanded on many occasions in 1990s.\u00a0 Having served, in fact, in this organization for ten long years, I am perhaps the most eligible Member today to speak on this subject.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 First of all, my recommendation would be in regard to deployment.\u00a0 Instead of restricting the SSB to Nepal and Bhutan borders alone, place of deployment should be interchangeable with\u00a0 ITBP and BSF.\u00a0 Keeping one unit in a particular place for a long time can breed undesirable things like over familiarity with the local people, connivance with agents of our adversaries, smugglers, etc. as seen in the past. Therefore, deployment aspect should be reconsidered and made interchangeable with the other two organizations.\n<\/p>\n
Regarding recruitment, as other speakers have said, we have so many volunteers, boys and girls who were trained in guerilla warfare and other social [MSOffice35]\u00a0activities, who are not in SSB now. Many of them have been waiting for an opportunity to join the organisation which they could not do for\u00a0 various reasons.\u00a0 So, in the first wave of recruitment, my suggestion is to, look for children of ex-SSB or ex-Village Voluntary Force personnel in all the States, like Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, North-Eastern States, where SSB had been stationed, so that their life long aspirations can\u00a0 be fulfilled.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Regarding the role, I would further recommend that it should have intelligence component as was before.\u00a0 I remember having been recognised as one of the most well performed Divisional Officers of my time.\u00a0 I was DO in-charge of Manipur and Nagaland.\u00a0 A lot of actionable intelligence reports were fed to the SSB Headquarters. This suggestion may please be approved.\u00a0 The details of how to have intelligence component may, however, be carefully worked out.\n<\/p>\n
We should also continue to have civic action rule like medical civic action, funding of construction of village dormitories or community halls or bachelors homes or some such socially useful infrastrucutres. That would be a good way of making friends in the border areas as it is necessary\u00a0 to integrate the border people into the mainstream as it promote national integration on a firm footing.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As regards effectiveness of the force, what we need is proper fencing on the borders. The Government, in their wisdom, had already passed a Bill for fencing our international borders.\u00a0But till today,\u00a0 implementation is wanting.\u00a0 In places like Mizoram-Burma borders,\u00a0 not even\u00a0 one foot fencing or planting of a single pole has been done because of absence of motorable roads along the borders.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0My recommendation to the Government is that we should declare upto half a kilometre width along the international borders as border reserve.\u00a0 If we have such border reserve, automatically, the command and control of the international border reserve areas will be with the Central Government and putting up of Battalion Headquarters and construction of border roads for patrolling, and maintenance of border fencing, etc. will become very easy.\u00a0 So, declaration of border line reserve all along the international border in the country is one recommendation which I want to put across.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As regards the name, I do agree that we should have a simple name which would be easily pronounceable to the people even as and when we deploy the force abroad.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My last point is about SSB land.\u00a0 We have acquired or purchased lands from the State Governments for establishing SSB battallion headquarters in the past.\u00a0Some State Governments are wanting to take the lands back for development of their areas.\u00a0 For example, in Mizoram, the SSB has taken land at Aizawl and Kolosib.\u00a0 The Deputy Commissioner of Kolosib district has been in correspondence with the SSB Directorate for the return of the land for construction of some Government buildings and the matter is still pending.\u00a0 I suggest that the SSB now may settle such matters with State Governments as early as possible.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI S.K. KHARVENTHAN <\/a>(PALANI<\/a>): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I thank you very much for giving me this opportunity.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I rise to support the Sashastra Seema Bal Bill. I am also appreciative of our hon. Minister of Home Affairs for presenting this Bill.\u00a0 Actually, this Bill is framed for the constitution of Force and conditions of service of the members in the Force.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, this Bill elaborately discusses about the appointment, tenure of service and also offences under Chapter III.\u00a0 The offences are discussed under Chapter III in an elaborate manner and certainly this proposal will streamline the force and will also raise the morality of our people serving in the force.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, in this Bill, there were separate provisions under clauses 14 and 15 about redressing the grievances.\u00a0 Section 14(1) deals with the grievances of persons other than officers.\u00a0 The persons other than officers working in the service can get their grievances redressed by lodging the complaint against the senior officers.\u00a0 In most of the cases, we have seen the persons other than officers are being ill-treated by the immediate senior officers.\u00a0 This proposal will certainly protect them.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, under clause 15, there is a separate provision for redressal of the grievances of the officers.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I would also like to mention that in the Army or in the Air Force, young people are serving in Bangladesh border or in Pakistan border.\u00a0\u00a0 They are not being given any leave for two years or three years and they are not able to meet their family members.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, today is the International HIV\/AIDS protection day.\u00a0\u00a0 There is a recent report in which it is mentioned that some of the Army men are also affected by this disease and they are tested as positive.\u00a0 The reason for this is that they are not allowed to go to their homes and meet the family members for three years or so. There must be certain provisions for providing holidays at least 15 days, one month or once in a year.\u00a0This is one of the important suggestions I would like to place before this august House.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, the young men who are joining the Forces are not being provided adequate and proper salary.\u00a0 Nowadays, youngsters are getting very high salary in different fields.\u00a0So, the Government has to come forward and provide good salaries and all other benefits to them.\u00a0 Then only the young people will come to serve in these Forces.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, these are my few suggestions. I welcome the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
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THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, first of all, I would like to pay homage to the memory of all the members of the para-military forces who have laid down their lives in guarding our borders.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I am indeed very happy that Members belonging to all parties from all sides of this House have supported this Bill. Almost all Members have praised the work done by the members of the para-military forces and also SSB. Members have given very good suggestions and most of the suggestions given by them relate to the welfare of the members of the para-military forces. I would like to say that we would keep these suggestions in mind and act on them. We have already taken certain steps to help them, more steps are required to be taken and we would definitely take more steps to make their lives more comfortable and more livable in the difficult areas in which they live.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Many of the Members have said that these members are living at very high altitude. Some of them are living at an altitude of 18,000 feet. Living at an altitude of 18,000 feet is a very difficult task and yet they are living there and discharging their duties. One or two Members have said that when they want to go back to their places from the border areas, they have to travel by train and it becomes very difficult for them to travel long distances by train and then make use of the leave that is given to them in a proper manner. We have already looked into this issue and we would like to see that the facilities which are given to the members of the Defence Forces living in the border areas are given to them also. I would not like to go into all the details of the steps which have been taken and it is not necessary for me to comment on all the suggestions which have been given by the hon. Members asking the Government to take welfare measures. I would only like to say that all the suggestions given by the hon. Members are valid and we would definitely act on them.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There were one or two other points which were made. One of the questions asked was why there are some vacancies. It is a very valid question and I would like to say that we would like to fill up all the vacancies which are there in SSB. I am told that as far as Constables are concerned, the vacancies of Constables are going to be filled up fully within 4-5 months. Then, with regard to the posts of officers, there is some difficulty because of the difficult nature of duties that they have to discharge. Many people are not joining these forces and that is why it is becoming a little difficult to fill up the posts of Inspectors and other officers at higher level, but we will take steps and see that these vacancies are filled up. This is a very valid point.[R38]\u00a0   <\/p>\n
[r39]\u00a0One of the points raised related to the joint command.\u00a0 It was suggested, why should we not have a joint command.\u00a0 It has to be realised that BSF is standing on the borders which are between Pakistan and India and between Bangladesh and India.\u00a0The SSB is on the borders with Nepal and Bhutan.\u00a0 The ITBP is the force which is guarding the border between Tibet and India.\u00a0 So, the countries are different, the situations prevailing on both sides of the borders at different places are different and these forces have come into existence at different times.\u00a0 Different kinds of trainings are given to them.\u00a0 That is why, it does not become possible to bring them together and put under one control.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have our Defence Forces.\u00a0 Army is there, but Army is also divided into different commands, Eastern Command, Western Command, Central Command, Southern Command, Northern Command and things like that.\u00a0 Under these commands, the forces are working.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, here we already have different forces.\u00a0 BSF is one force, SSB is another force, ITBP is third force, Assam Rifles is fourth force, which is looking after the border adjoining to Myanmar and Other States.\u00a0 So, I do not think that it is a good suggestion that all the forces should be brought under one command because they are dealing with different kinds of situations prevailing in those areas and it will be more useful to continue to command these forces in the manner in which they are commanded now.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, one of the questions which was asked and a very pertinent question was whether the task which was performed by the SSB in the past will be continued to be performed by them.\u00a0 This is a very valid question.\u00a0 As a matter of fact, all the members of SSB were not putting uniforms and were not discharging the duties which are discharged by other forces in uniform.\u00a0One other thing they were doing was to motivate the people living in those areas and help them.\u00a0 They were doing civil action duties.\u00a0 They were helping the people, motivating the people.\u00a0This task will be continued to be done by SSB.\u00a0 The other was that in the process they were getting some information.\u00a0 Now, we expect our forces to get the information which will help them to discharge their duties in a proper manner.\u00a0 This task will also be continued to be done by them.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We are raising a few more battalions.\u00a0 About 21 battalions are going to be added to\u00a0 SSB.\u00a0 That is going to be an extra strength available to the SSB and they would be in a position to continue their duties as they used to do it.\u00a0 As a matter of fact, we would expect other forces also to continue some of the duties which these forces are doing.\u00a0 To some extent, they are also asked to help the civilian people living in the area where they are working in many ways so that they get the cooperation of the people living in that area.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I do not have to say anything more than this.\u00a0 If there are any deficiencies found in the working of this force, our endeavour would be to see that those deficiencies are removed and there is an improvement also.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would once again like to thank the hon. Members for supporting this Bill and for giving very good suggestions.\n<\/p>\n
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThat the Bill to provide for the constitution and regulation of an armed force of the Union for ensuring the security of the borders of India and for matters connected therewith, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken into consideration.\u201d  <\/p>\n
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The motion was adopted[r40]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: The House will now take up clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThat clauses 2 to 156 stand part of the Bill.\u201d  <\/p>\n
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The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clauses 2 to 156 were added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Long Title were added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL: I beg to move<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThat the Bill be passed.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThat the Bill be passed.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n
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The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: The House stands adjourned to meet on Monday, 3rd December 2007, at 11 a.m.  <\/p>\n
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 14.42 hrs.  The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock  <\/p>\n
on Monday, December 3, 2007\/Agrahayana 12, 1929 (Saka).\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
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