{"id":162082,"date":"2006-05-16T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-05-15T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-the-motion-for-introduction-of-parliament-prevention-on-16-may-2006"},"modified":"2015-06-12T07:05:24","modified_gmt":"2015-06-12T01:35:24","slug":"discussion-on-the-motion-for-introduction-of-parliament-prevention-on-16-may-2006","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-the-motion-for-introduction-of-parliament-prevention-on-16-may-2006","title":{"rendered":"Discussion On The Motion For Introduction Of Parliament (Prevention … on 16 May, 2006"},"content":{"rendered":"
Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n
Discussion On The Motion For Introduction Of Parliament (Prevention … on 16 May, 2006<\/div>\n<\/p>\n
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Title <\/a>:  Discussion on the motion for introduction of Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Amendment Bill, 2006. (Motion adopted and Bill introduced).  <\/p>\n
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THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI):\u00a0\u00a0 Sir,\u00a0 I would like to submit one point, through you, to the House.\u00a0  <\/p>\n
As agreed in the usual Leaders\u2019 Meeting in the morning today, item No. 15, that is, the introduction of the Bill may be taken up before item No. 14 and the Calling Attention may be taken up after the introduction.\u00a0 Then, after the disposal of the Calling Attention, we shall take up the Bill for consideration and passing about which I have conveyed to you officially through a notice.  <\/p>\n
MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 It may be after mentioning some urgent matters.\u00a0 I think the House agrees to it. <\/p>\n
\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0935\u093f\u091c\u092f \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u0932\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0924\u094d\u0930\u093e<\/a>: \u0907\u0902\u091f\u094d\u0930\u094b\u0921\u0915\u094d\u0936\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092a\u0930 \u092d\u0940 \u0939\u092e \u0905\u092a\u094b\u091c \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n
MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 That is there.\u00a0 That right is not taken away.\u00a0 I believe this is prior to that.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>(GANDHINAGAR<\/a>):\u00a0 Sir, I feel that when the Offices of Profit Bill would be taken up, you may not be in the Chair. <\/p>\n
MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 I do not wish to be there.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>:\u00a0 I appreciate your decision.\u00a0 But I would like to plead with you on one point because, after all, you are the hon. Speaker.\u00a0\u00a0 The manner in which this particular matter is being dealt with by the\u00a0 Government is not the right way.\u00a0 For example, waiving of notices required for Bills or the circulation of the copy of the Bill to the Members can be waived in certain circumstances.\u00a0\u00a0 But by saying that the Bill is to be introduced today, to be passed today and is to be  <\/p>\n
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* Published in the Gazette of India, Extraordinary, Part-II, Section-2, dated 16.5.2006 <\/p>\n
passed by the other House today, they are trying to bulldoze it which is not necessary at all.\u00a0 I would like the Leader of the House to remember how this particular issue was messed up even in the beginning and how the House was adjourned sine die and, because of all that happened, we had to again convene a meeting and the House could not be prorogued.\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would like to plead with the Speaker to advise the Government and let the Government also decide on this matter.\u00a0 There is ample time.\u00a0 We are sitting till the 23rd of May.\u00a0 What is the hurry about it?\u00a0 Why is it being bulldozed?\u00a0 There should be a fullfledged discussion on this particular matter so that whatever has to be said can be said.\u00a0\u00a0 Even though it was said that before the Bill would be introduced, the Opposition would be consulted, I was not consulted.\u00a0 My Party was not consulted. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Hon. Members, please do not misunderstand me.\u00a0 Let me leave the Chair.\u00a0 Hon. Deputy-Speaker would occupy the Chair <\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI\u00a0 <\/a>:\u00a0 Mr. Speaker Sir, I am not referring to the Offices of Profit Bill at the moment. <\/p>\n
MR. SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 I am sorry.\u00a0 Now, hon. Deputy-Speaker is occupying the Chair.\u00a0 Please do not misunderstand me. <\/p>\n
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 12.09 hrs. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair) <\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0907\u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e\u0938 \u0906\u095b\u092e\u0940 <\/a>(\u0936\u093e\u0939\u093e\u092c\u093e\u0926<\/a>) : \u092f\u0939 \u0928\u0948\u0924\u093f\u0915\u0924\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093f\u0932\u094d\u0915\u0941\u0932 \u0916\u093f\u0932\u093e\u092b \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092f\u0939 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0928\u0948\u0924\u093f\u0915\u0924\u093e \u0915\u093e \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948[r1]\u00a0\u0964\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE <\/a>(SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE<\/a>): Most respectfully, I would just like to clarify one position. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: The Leader of the House is on his legs.\u00a0 Other hon. Members, please sit down. <\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE<\/a>: Mr. Deputy-speaker, Sir, I am just trying to clarify one position which the hon. Leader of the Opposition raised. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
I have no intention of participating in the debate. \u2026 (Interruptions) I am responding to the point which the Leader of the Opposition referred to. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Nothing will go on record except what Shri Pranab Mukherjee says.\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions) \u2026* <\/p>\n
SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE<\/a>: Will you not allow anyone to speak? \u2026 (Interruptions) Let me complete and then you can speak. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would just like to clarify that nothing has been messed up which the hon. Leader of the Opposition referred to.\u00a0 I gave the explanation why the House was adjourned sine die in the previous part of this Session.\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As far as the consultation with the leaders of the parties is concerned, I would like to say that hon. Leader of the Opposition would recollect that first my colleague, the hon. Minister of Parliamentary Affairs had a meeting with the leaders of various groups of the Parliament.\u00a0 After that I myself wrote letters to all the Opposition parties.\u00a0 I have received responses including the Leader of the Opposition of BJP in Rajya Sabha.\u00a0 The Leader of the Opposition of this House told me personally that whatever have been pointed out by the Leader of the Opposition in Rajya Sabha, Shri Jaswant Singh, are the views of the Leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha.\u00a0 Therefore, it is totally surprising to me to hear that the Government has not consulted all the Opposition parties.\u00a0  <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In regard to the procedure to be adopted, I would say that the hon. Minister of Parliamentary Affairs discussed the matter as to the manner in which the Bill will be taken up with the floor leaders well in advance.\u00a0 Therefore, it is not being  <\/p>\n
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* Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n
bulldozed.\u00a0 Nobody is going to take away the rights of the hon. Members to discuss it in detail.\u00a0 The House can decide as to how much time it wants to discuss the Bill.\u00a0 You can take as much time as is needed to debate the Bill.\u00a0 We can give them.\u00a0 There is no problem regarding that. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: Sir, a mention has been made by the Leader of the House to what I spoke to him and to what I said to him.\u00a0 I have said that so far as the broad approach is concerned it has already been indicated by the Leader of the Oppositing in the Rajya Sabha and I endorse it.\u00a0 This was my personal talk with him.\u00a0 But that letter itself says that we would give our considered view when the Government’s thinking comes to us in the shape of the draft Bill. That Bill was brought to the House without discussing with anyone else.\u00a0 You may have discussed it with your allies.\u00a0 But you did not discuss the Bill with us. <\/p>\n
SHRI PRANAB MUKHERJEE<\/a>: I am afraid, Sir, the Bill which is being discussed is nothing but the original Bill.\u00a0 Along with my letter a copy of the Bill, which exists, was referred to.\u00a0 What is being done is only the Schedule is being expanded.\u00a0 When you study the Bill, you will find that there is nothing more than that. Only the Schedule, which contains the offices of profit which are to be exempted, is being expanded. Only that is being added.\u00a0 There is no other new element in the Bill, in the text of the Bill at all. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI <\/a>:\u00a0 Shri Kharabela Swain, please allow me to speak.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would like to submit very sincerely and faithfully that in the presence of all the leaders on the first day of leaders meeting; then in the normal meetings that the hon. Speaker holds in his Chamber, I made it abundantly clear, with the consensus and unanimity of all the leaders, that this Bill should be introduced, considered and passed on the same day.\u00a0 Nobody can deny this fact.\u00a0 All were present in the meeting.\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>(PURI<\/a>): Do not say “all”. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>: Shri Tripathy, if you fail to attend the meeting, that is not my fault. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: My simple objection is you have not consulted us.\u00a0\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>: Then you can give your objection.\u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I must clarify this point.\u00a0 I contacted the Leader of the BJD, Shri Arjun Sethi, over the phone.\u00a0 He said that he was in a village and that he would let me know his party’s views within seven days.\u00a0 No view came from the BJD after my interaction.\u00a0 I personally called on all the Leaders, which was followed by the letters of the Leader of the House. Then, some Leaders wrote in their opinion and some said that they would interact later.\u00a0 So, in this matter, a comprehensive drill has been done by the Government with the parties.  <\/p>\n
As regards the Draft Bill, also I said in the Leaders\u2019 Meeting that there is no Constitution Amendment but only a section will be amended to include more list to expand the Schedule. I do not know what is lacking in terms of informing the Leaders. We have done our job very transparently. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>(BALASORE<\/a>): Sir, please allow me. \u2026 (Interruptions) I have a valid point.\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Now, we will take up Legislative Business. We will take up Item No.15 \u2013 Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Amendment Bill, 2006.  <\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): Sir, I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Act, 1959.\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion moved<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThat leave be granted to introduce a Bill further to amend the Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Act, 1959.\u201d <\/p>\n
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SHRI L.K. ADVANI\u00a0 <\/a>: Sir, I oppose the Bill.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ<\/a>: Now, you can oppose it! \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, ordinarily, I would not have opposed introduction of a Bill. It is not the convention\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Observe silence, Azmiji. The Bill is a very serious one. Take it seriously.  <\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI\u00a0 <\/a>: I rise to oppose this introduction only because of one clause, and that clause is clause 2(i).\u00a0 Otherwise, I would have waited for the Third Reading and that at the end of the Third Reading, as has been decided already by members of the National Democratic Alliance, we would have opposed the passing of the Bill. But, I believe, that when the Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Amendment Bill was first passed in 1953, later in 1959, it was never conceived that this would include offices which are virtually constitutional  <\/p>\n
offices.\u00a0 It was never contemplated.\u00a0 I am reading the particular clause to which I am objecting. It says: <\/p>\n
\u201cafter clause (ac), the following clause shall be inserted, namely:-\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201c(ad) the office of the Chairperson of the National Advisory Council constituted by the Government of India in the Cabinet Secretariat vide Order No.631\/2\/1\/2004-Cab., dated 31st May, 2004;\u201d\u201d <\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, I have with me this Order, which creates the National Advisory Council to monitor the implementation of the National Common Minimum Programme of the Government.\u00a0 It mentions the functions of the National Advisory Council, and the first and foremost function is: <\/p>\n
\u201cto monitor the progress of the implementation of the Common Minimum Programme.\u201d <\/p>\n
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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The second function is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
\u201cto provide inputs for the formulation of policy by the Government and to provide support to the Government in its legislative business.\u201d <\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, I cannot conceive how an office of this kind can be created by a simple law, not by a constitutional amendment Act. Of course, the Law Minister is present there. He must have advised that the National Advisory Council Chairman does not come within the meaning of the\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI MADHUSUDAN MISTRY <\/a>(SABARKANTHA<\/a>): Sir, it is not a debate. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI\u00a0 <\/a>: I am not going into the details.\u00a0 I am confining myself only to one point.\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Please listen. I have given him the time.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Mistryji, please listen.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI\u00a0 <\/a>: I am not going into any other provision because I know that already the Prevention of Disqualification Act is there under which many offices have been named, some more to be added. But this particular provision is not in the Schedule.\u00a0 It is one of the principal clauses in the Bill.\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI MADHUSUDAN MISTRY <\/a>: Sir, he is going into the details.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Mistryji, this is not the way.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Hon. Minister will reply. Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 I know better than you.\u00a0 Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 I have given him time.\u00a0 Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>:\u00a0 The Council would be supported by a Secretariat with the necessary complement of officers and staff who shall be responsible to the Chairperson.\u00a0 The Council would be provided adequate and appropriate office space by the Central Government.\u00a0 All expenditure incurred in connection with the functioning of the Council would be met by the Central Government\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>:\u00a0 This is exactly what I am saying.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0 They want to bulldoze.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Nothing should be recorded except the speech of Mr. Advani.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions) \u2026 * <\/p>\n
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* Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Nothing should be recorded except the speech of Advaniji.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions) \u2026 * <\/p>\n
\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u0906\u092a \u0915\u0928\u094d\u091f\u0940\u0928\u094d\u092f\u0942 \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n
…( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n
\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0932\u093e\u0932 \u0915\u0943\u0937\u094d\u0923 \u0906\u0921\u0935\u093e\u0923\u0940 <\/a>: \u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u0928\u094d\u091f\u0940\u0928\u094d\u092f\u0942 \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e, \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u091c\u093f\u0938 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u0940 \u091a\u093f\u0902\u0924\u093e \u0938\u094d\u092a\u0940\u0915\u0930 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0915\u091f \u0915\u0940 \u0925\u0940, this is only an evidence of that.\u00a0 There is ample time.\u00a0 You will pass it.\u00a0 You have a majority.\u00a0 Why do you allow this kind of sycophancy to prevail in your Party?\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0\u00a0 \u092f\u0947 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948? Your Chief Whip is behaving in this manner.\u00a0 There is nothing else except the sycophancy.\u00a0 \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u093e \u091c\u092c\u0915\u093f \u092c\u093e\u0915\u0940 \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0925\u0947, \u0915\u0947\u0935\u0932 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0925\u093e\u0964 …( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)  <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, my point is simple.\u00a0 I would think that a provision of this kind where a National Advisory Council is to be created and the Chairperson has to be given these rights and those rights, in actual practice, the whole country has seen in the last two years.\u00a0 For all practical purposes, the Chairperson of this National Advisory Council became a Super Prime Minister.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0 For that and everyone agreed that the Office of Prime Minister, as conceived by the Indian Constitution makers, has been devalued, has been diminished.\u00a0  <\/p>\n
It is, therefore, that I feel that if this had to be done, this should be done by a Constitutional amendment, not by a simple law as this one.\u00a0 If it is done in that manner then I am afraid that our opposition to this particular Bill becomes more <\/p>\n
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* Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n
 intense.\u00a0 We think, after you may by majority pass it, and everyone knows it will be passed.\u00a0 You will say that it will benefit your people also, it will benefit others also.\u00a0 Yes, I know that.\u00a0 Let it be, Sir.\u00a0 But, basically, I think that this should have been separated from the Office of Profit Bill that you have brought in today.\u00a0 This is my basic objection to the introduction of the Bill. Other points will be made in the course of the debate.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0916\u093e\u0930\u092c\u0947\u0932 \u0938\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0908\u0902 <\/a>: \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0907\u0902\u091f \u0911\u092b \u0906\u0930\u094d\u0921\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Have you given any notice?\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, at the introduction stage a notice is to be given for raising objection.\u00a0 This is the rule of the House.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Without giving the notice, nobody can be allowed to speak.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY\u00a0 <\/a>:\u00a0 I am raising point of order\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Have you given notice?\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>:\u00a0 It is in the rule book.\u00a0 Nobody can oppose the introduction except the notice maker.\u00a0 You cannot.\u00a0 You cannot take the House in your own hands.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u0943\u091c\u0915\u093f\u0936\u094b\u0930 \u0924\u094d\u0930\u093f\u092a\u093e\u0920\u0940, \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u092a\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0907\u0902\u091f \u0911\u092b \u0906\u0930\u094d\u0921\u0930 \u0939\u0948?\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>:\u00a0 I am drawing attention to rule 371.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 First you should go to your seat.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, I rise to a point of order.\u00a0 The established rule of the House cannot be violated by anyone whomsoever be the party\u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0  <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 I agree with you.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, allow me to conclude my point of order.\u00a0 The rule is very clear.\u00a0 If before introduction of a Bill\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Mr. Dasmunsi, that will be decided by the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>: Sir, Rule 72 (2) says:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cNotice to oppose introduction of a Bill shall be addressed to the Secretary-General\u2026\u201d <\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: The Chair will decide about that.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>: Sir, how can you prevent me from raising a point of order? You cannot prevent me from raising the point of order. <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Nobody is going to speak without prior notice. This is what I was going to say. <\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I want to raise a point of order under rule 376. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u091c\u093f\u0938\u0928\u0947 \u092d\u0940 \u0928\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0938 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092c\u0941\u0932\u093e \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Have you given any notice?\n<\/p>\n
\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e\u091c\u0940\u0932\u093e\u0932 \u0938\u0941\u092e\u0928 <\/a>(\u095e\u093f\u0930\u094b\u095b\u093e\u092c\u093e\u0926<\/a>) : \u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e \u0928\u094b\u091f\u093f\u0938 \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: I have not received any notice so far.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Mr. Tripathy, please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u0906\u0921\u0935\u093e\u0923\u0940 \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0916\u0924\u094d\u092e \u0915\u0930\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI\u00a0 <\/a>: Sir, I will again read out the rule relevant to this particular matter. Rule 72 (1) says: <\/p>\n
\u201cIf a motion for leave to introduce a Bill is opposed, the Speaker, after permitting, if he thinks fit, brief statements from the member who opposes the motion and the member who moved the motion, may, without further debate, put the question:\u201d <\/p>\n
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After what I have said now, you are correct in putting the question and allow it to be voted. That is all right. But there is a proviso to this rule which says: <\/p>\n
\u201cProvided that where a motion is opposed on the ground that the Bill initiates legislation outside the legislative competence of the House, the Speaker may permit a full discussion thereon:\u201d <\/p>\n
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I have not used the words that this Bill initiates legislation outside the legislative competence of the House, but I have certainly pointed out that my objection to the introduction of this Bill is confined to just one clause which, I believe, should have been more appropriately brought through a Constitution (Amendment) Bill, not through an ordinary Bill, as in this case and, therefore, I think that the Speaker, in his wisdom, can permit other Members also, who have not given notice, to speak. This is my submission. This is your discretion. \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: No, this is not possible.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI L.K. ADVANI <\/a>: Sir, there is no disrespect to you. You are fully entitled to decide. We would like to register our protest against the introduction of this Bill by the hon. Minister and, therefore, we stage a walk out. <\/p>\n
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 12.28 hrs.  <\/p>\n
(At this stage, Shri L.K. Advani and some other <\/p>\n
hon. Members left the House.) <\/p>\n
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SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY\u00a0 <\/a>: Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I want to raise a point of order.\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Under what rule?\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY : Under rule 376. I am drawing your attention to rule 376. Kindly listen to me. When the introduction of a Bill is opposed under rule 72, you put the question to seek permission of the House to introduce the Bill and it also deserves division. So, I am now drawing your attention to rule 371. It says: <\/p>\n
\u201cIf the vote of a member in a division in the House is challenged on the ground of personal, pecuniary or direct interest in the matter to be decided, the Speaker may, if he considers necessary, call upon the member making the challenge to state precisely the grounds of his objection and the member whose vote has been challenged to state his case and shall decide whether the vote of the member should be disallowed or not and his decision shall be final:\u201d <\/p>\n
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: This is not the proper time for that.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: This is not the proper time.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: Sir, so many Members\u2019 interests are involved.\u00a0 How can they participate in this?\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Nothing should be recorded.\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions) \u2026* <\/p>\n
\u00a0SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ <\/a>: Sir, I will briefly deal with\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: Sir, I am on a point of order\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: There is no point of order.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, he is challenging your ruling\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
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 * Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n
 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Tripathy, please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Sir, I have given a notice\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: I have already given my ruling.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: Sir, we want division.\u00a0 How can the Members, who are involved, participate in voting?\u2026 (Interruptions) At the time of introduction of the Bill, we can challenge it\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>:\u00a0 \u0924\u094d\u0930\u093f\u092a\u093e\u0920\u0940 \u091c\u0940, \u0906\u092a \u092e\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u091f\u092e\u0947\u0902\u091f \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u0939\u0940 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0938\u0915\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI<\/a>: Sir, he is the Leader of his Party.\u00a0 He should respect the ruling of the Chair\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Nothing should be recorded, except what Shri H.R. Bhardwaj says.\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions) \u2026 *  <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: I have already given my ruling.\u00a0 You have to sit down now, Shri Tripathy.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY\u00a0 <\/a>: Sir, you should give your ruling\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: I have already given my ruling.\u00a0 Please sit down.\u00a0 You can participate in the discussion and say what you want to say. <\/p>\n
SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: Sir, if we are not allowed to speak, then we stage a walk out.\n<\/p>\n
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(At this stage, Shri Braja Kishore Tripathy and some other <\/p>\n
hon. Members left the House.) <\/p>\n
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*\u00a0 Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ<\/a>: Sir, I will briefly deal with, and it is my duty to deal with, the objection raised by the hon. Leader of the Opposition, Shri Advani.\u00a0 I never expected it from a Leader of Opposition to make such a frivolous objection.\u00a0  <\/p>\n
Sir, I have been in Parliament for some time now and I know that the introduction of the Bill cannot be objected, in my humble view, except for\u00a0 the legislative incompetence\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Please listen to the hon. Minister.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ<\/a>: Legislative competence can be challenged only when the Parliament lacks competence and only then the hon. Members can say that there is lack of competence.\u00a0 Sir, you heard the hon. Leader of the Opposition.\u00a0 He has nothing to say on the matter of legislative competence of this House.\u00a0 He straightaway touched upon one point that this National Advisory Committee is a constitutional body\u2026 (Interruptions) and hence it is a constitutional appointment.\u00a0 It is farthest from truth\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>(CHIRAYINKIL<\/a>): Sir, I have given a notice.\u00a0 It is with you\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ<\/a>: Sir, we all know what is a constitutional appointment.\u00a0 Here in this case it has nothing to do with the constitutional appointment\u2026 (Interruptions) Sir, I humbly submit that what the hon. Leader of the Opposition has said is absolutely without any foundation\u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>: Sir, I have given a notice\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Nothing should be recorded.\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions) \u2026* <\/p>\n
SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ<\/a>: Sir, I think, we should now\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>: I am supporting the hon. Minister\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
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* Not Recorded.\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI <\/a>: Sir, allow him to continue his speech.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>:\u00a0 Please allow him to speak.\u00a0 Please sit down.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN\u00a0 <\/a>: The Bill is defective.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: The hon. Minister is on his legs.\u00a0 Please allow him to speak.\n<\/p>\n
\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ <\/a>: I would not have liked to speak at all because I know at the introductory stage nobody makes long speeches, but the way the Leader of the opposition spoke and for his lack of knowledge of Parliamentary law, I am surprised what will happen to this great institution when he said that this NAC is a \u2018constitutional office\u2019.\u00a0 It is not even a statutory office.\u00a0 It was the creation of an order of the Government, of the Cabinet Secretariat and that is what is being termed as a constitutional office.\u00a0 With greatest humility at my command I would like to submit that whatever the Leader of the Opposition has said shows exactly the lack of knowledge of Parliamentary law, and this should not have come from his mouth.\u00a0 Therefore the only thing that at this stage could be said is that this law, and Sir, I would also like to submit one thing, we are not dealing with today the question of appointment or qualification.\u00a0 We are dealing with preventing the disqualification and by inserting one or two more offices into the already existing law.\u00a0 The Parliament has already passed the Prevention of Disqualification Act which is a valid law and time tested Act and we are inserting certain offices which will otherwise disqualify 40 sitting MPs of this House.\u00a0 What a lack of responsibility has been shown by this party! \u2026 (Interruptions) <\/p>\n
\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Therefore, I would submit that there is no merit in what Shri Advani, the Leader of the Opposition said, and permit me to introduce this Bill. <\/p>\n
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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
\u201cThat leave be granted to introduce a Bill further to amend the Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Act, 1959\u00a0 \u201d <\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ <\/a>: I introduce*\u00a0 the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
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