{"id":19207,"date":"1998-12-21T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1998-12-20T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/introduction-of-the-the-appropriation-no-4-bill-1998-on-21-december-1998"},"modified":"2017-09-02T21:16:38","modified_gmt":"2017-09-02T15:46:38","slug":"introduction-of-the-the-appropriation-no-4-bill-1998-on-21-december-1998","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/introduction-of-the-the-appropriation-no-4-bill-1998-on-21-december-1998","title":{"rendered":"Introduction Of The The Appropriation (No.4) Bill, 1998. on 21 December, 1998"},"content":{"rendered":"
Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n
Introduction Of The The Appropriation (No.4) Bill, 1998. on 21 December, 1998<\/div>\n<\/p>\n
<\/pre>\n
     Title: Introduction of the the Appropriation (No.4) Bill,  1998.  <\/p>\n
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE <\/a>(SHRI YASHWANT SINHA<\/a>): Sir, I beg to move for leave  to introduce a Bill to authorise payment and appropriation of certain further  sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of India for the services of the  financial year 1998-99.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN :The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That leave be granted to introduce a Bill to authorise payment and  appropriation of certain further sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of  India for the services of the financial year 1998-99.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA<\/a>: I introduce** the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>(MADURAI<\/a>): Sir, I would like to speak on this.\n<\/p>\n
PROF. P.J. KURIEN <\/a>(MAVELIKARA<\/a>): Mr. Chairman, the House has extended time  only for the Supplementary Demands for Grants.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA<\/a>: Sir, I would just like to put one point for the  consideration of the House. The Russian Prime Minister is here. I have to join a  discussion later with him as part of the Indian delegation. I will be very  grateful if this item of business is finished now.\n<\/p>\n
PROF. P.J. KURIEN <\/a>: Mr. Chairman, Sir, we have only extended time till the  reply of the Finance Minister on the Supplementary Demands for Grants. Since  that is over we have to as such move on to Item No.27, that is, discussion under  Rule 193. …(Interruptions) I am not saying that we should not take it up now.  I am only saying that the time for this item of business has to be extended  after taking the sense of the House.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: If the House agrees, we will take up Item No.24 now.\n<\/p>\n
SOME HON. MEMBERS<\/a>: We agree.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Prof. Kurien, we will now take up this item. It will take only  two to three minutes.\n<\/p>\n
___________________________________________________________________________ <\/p>\n
*Published in the Gazette of India, Extraordinary, Part-II, Section-2, <\/p>\n
dated 21.12.98 <\/p>\n
**Introduced with the recommendation of the President.\n<\/p>\n
PROF. P.J. KURIEN <\/a>: Mr. Chairman, you yourself gave a ruling earlier that  Shri Bhakta can speak at the time of consideration of the Appropriation  Bill.\n<\/p>\n
KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE <\/a>(CALCUTTA SOUTH<\/a>): The Finance Minister has appealed to  the House that the Russian Prime Minister is here and that he has to take part  in a discussion with him.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>(MADURAI<\/a>): That does not mean the Parliament has to  close down.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Manoranjan Bhakta will speak on this Bill.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: Mr. Chairman, Sir, I also want to speak on this.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The Minister may now move that the Bill be taken into  consideration.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: Sir, I beg to move<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill to authorise payment and appropriation of certain further sums  from and out of the Consolidated Fund of India for the services of the financial  year 1998-99, be taken into consideration.”\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: Motion moved<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill to authorise payment and appropriation of certain further sums  from and out of the Consolidated Fund of India for the services of the financial  year 1998-99, be taken into consideration.”\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA (ANDAMAN AND NICOBAR ISLANDS): Sir, I want to say  something… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>(MADURAI<\/a>): After him, you will have to call me…  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: He had sought my permission and I have given him the permission  to raise his point.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: I am seeking your permission… (Interruptions)… I  am also taking your permission.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Bhakta had taken my permission. There are some rules. You  had not given the prior notice.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: I am giving you the notice now.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Bhakta had already given the notice and I have permitted  him to speak.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: I am giving the notice now.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Now, you cannot give. Please cooperate with the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: What cooperation? You are not permitting me…  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please cooperate with the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: Are you not permitting me?\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: He is on his legs.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: I agree. I also have the right to speak…  (Interruptions)… So, I want to know as to whether you are permitting me or  not… (Interruptions)… Are you not permitting me?…(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Dr. Swamy, please sit down. Your notice is not with me.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: You tell me that you are not permitting me..  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: If a Member is desirous of speaking on the Appropriation Bill,  he should send intimation to the specific points intended to be raised by him by  10.00 a.m. upto the House to the Minister concerned to find out position in  respect of the points.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: You have residuary power but you do not want to  exercise it. That is the matter… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: He had given a prior notice and I have allowed him to speak.  … (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
>SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA (ANDAMAN AND NICOBAR ISLANDS): Mr.  Chairman, Sir, I am thankful to you that you have permitted me to say a few  words. The present Appropriation Bill No.(4), 1998 which is in relation to the  Supplementary Grants, to authorise this Parliament, to give powers to the  Government to draw money from the Consolidated Fund of India to the tune of Rs.  14,449.96 crore for the year 1998-99. I would like to specifically ask the hon.  Finance Minister that on the one hand during this current year, for which he has  sought more money, his Ministry has issued circulars to all the Ministries to  `follow 10 per cent austerity cut’ and on the other hand, he has come with the  demand of such a huge amount of money. Can he just tell us as to what is the  principle of his budgeting the estimation.\n<\/p>\n
It is a general trend we found that in every year wherever the original  allocations are there, subsequently he has again sought more money during the  time of Supplementary Grants. Subsequently, neither the original allocation was  spent nor the Supplementary allocation was spent. Can he kindly enlighten this  august House as to what principle he is following? How is he managing his  financial system?\n<\/p>\n
My second point is about the 10 per cent austerity cut which he has  mentioned. This House is supreme to grant money to the executive, to the  Government to draw and spend for the particular purpose against the heads and  sub-heads. Now, when he is passing the Budget, he gives his commitment to the  nation that `these are the heads, these are the amount of money allotted and  these are the works which he will be doing for the benefit of the people of this  country.’ But subsequently, while coming to Parliament, he is issuing back date  back-door circulars to all the Ministries that `you do not spend this money.’  This way, is he not going against the interest of the country?\n<\/p>\n
When he is giving 10 per cent austerity cut and also issued circulars then  why is he again asking for more money? What will he do with that money? He has  replied to the Supplementary Grants that he will find this money somewhere. Some  more money will be needed.\n<\/p>\n
There is some less money, some increase or some decrease. This will be taken  into account. But can you clearly state what is your system of budgeting and  estimation and how are you doing this? This is my question.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA<\/a>: I am following the same system in this country which  Governments have followed over the years since 1950 when this Constitution came  into existence. I had explained while replying to the debate on the  supplementary demands that there are occasions where Ministries come up with  requests for extra expenditure and it is the endeavour of the Minister of  Finance to make sure that it does not result in additionality of overall  expenditure because if we do not locate savings, then it will become absolutely  unsustainable. That is why, we are not doing anything behind the back.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA<\/a>: You have commitment to the nation.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA<\/a>: I will draw the attention of the hon. Member to the  Supplementary Demand for Grants. If you look at the Supplementary Demand for  Grants, then for every item of expenditure, there is a justification there. We  have said why we are making that provision and need of the circumstances. For  overall economy and austerity, I am sure the hon. Member will agree that it is  the prerogative of the Government to make sure that moneys are properly spent  and where money cannot be spent, that money is saved. It is in national interest  to make sure that we save even after we made budgetary provision. In all  fairness, forthrightly I am coming to the House with the entire account. It is  before you. Nothing is held back from this House and it is within the power of  this House to approve it or reject it. I am pleading with you to approve it  because it is all fair and above board.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is <\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill to authorise payment and appropriation of certain further sums  from and out of the consolidated Fund of India for the services of the financial  year 1998-99, be taken into consideration.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: We shall now take up Clause by Clause consideration of the  Bill. The question is :\n<\/p>\n
“That Clauses 2 and 3 and Schedule stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clauses 2 and 3 and Schedule were added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is <\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That Schedule stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The Motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
The Schedule was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is <\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Long Title stand part of the  Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA: I beg to move<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill be passed.”\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved <\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill be passed.”\n<\/p>\n
>DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>(MADURAI<\/a>): There is a third reading. For  that I do not need to give you notice before 10 o’clock. That is the tradition  of the House. You have all the power. You can read Rule 318.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I know that. If you want to say something, please do it in  brief.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: I have only one point. I would like the Finance  Minister to take this House into confidence, whether it is a fact that in the  Budget he had said that the total tax revenues would rise by 22 per ccent and  from April till the end of November for which statistics are available,  according to our information, the annual rate is only 7 per cent.\n<\/p>\n
17.00 hrs. <\/p>\n
In fact, in the month of November, the tax revenues are actually negative. In  view of all the indicators going downwards, I want to know whether the Minister  of Finance would consider making a comprehensive statement or bringing a white  paper so that we know exactly where we stand well before the Budget Session and  advise him or whoever is there at that time to formulate a Budget to rescue the  country. It is a question of the country.\n<\/p>\n
For example, let us take foreign investment, for which they spoke so much.  The cumulated amount of foreign investment in November of last year, which was  itself a bad year, was Rs.9 billion. It has now gone down to Rs.8.5 billion.  This means, people are selling. This means, we are following the Indonesian  pattern. I would like the Minister of Finance to tell this House whether it is a  fact that the rate at which he is getting his revenues is much, much lower than  what he told us at the beginning of the year.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA<\/a>: As far as direct taxes are concerned, we are on target;  as far as indirect taxes are concerned, we are at a shortfall. This is something  which I have never hidden from the House. Whenever occasion has arisen, I have  said that there is a shortfall. But what will be the nature and extent of the  shortfall is something which should be calculated at the end of the year and not  at this point of time.\n<\/p>\n
DR. SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY <\/a>: Practically, this is the end of the year.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI YASHWANT SINHA<\/a>: I would like to dispute in this House with all the  emphasis and confidence at my command this repeated reference to Indonesia and  other East Asian countries. India is not in trouble. Please remember this.  Despite all the problems, we have successfully managed this economy. I would  like Dr. Swamy to please take note of it and not keep on repeating it. India is  not Indonesia and India will not go the Indonesian way.\n<\/p>\n
Thank you.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill be passed.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
________ <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The House will now take up discussion under rule 193 on natural  calamities.\n<\/p>\n
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Lok Sabha Debates Introduction Of The The Appropriation (No.4) Bill, 1998. on 21 December, 1998 Title: Introduction of the the Appropriation (No.4) Bill, 1998. 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