{"id":210149,"date":"2002-07-19T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2002-07-18T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/further-discussion-on-the-constitution-scheduled-castes-orders-on-19-july-2002"},"modified":"2018-09-27T16:57:44","modified_gmt":"2018-09-27T11:27:44","slug":"further-discussion-on-the-constitution-scheduled-castes-orders-on-19-july-2002","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/further-discussion-on-the-constitution-scheduled-castes-orders-on-19-july-2002","title":{"rendered":"Further Discussion On The Constitution Scheduled Castes Orders … on 19 July, 2002"},"content":{"rendered":"
Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n
Further Discussion On The Constitution Scheduled Castes Orders … on 19 July, 2002<\/div>\n
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. (Shri Devendra Prasad Yadav in the Chair) <\/p>\n
Title<\/a>: Further discussion on the Constitution Scheduled Castes Orders (Amendment) Bill 2001 moved by Dr. Satyanarayan Jaitya on 18th July, 2002 (Not concluded).\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : The House will now take up item no. 9.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI A.C. JOS <\/a>(TRICHUR<\/a>): Sir, is he speaking on the Bill, or is he making an election speech? It seems he is making an election speech. He should speak on the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI BAJU BAN RIYAN <\/a><\/p>\n
<\/a>(TRIPURA EAST<\/a><\/a>): Mr. Chairman, Sir, this Bill seeks to include eight communities of Scheduled Castes, exclude 24 communities of Scheduled Castes and modify 49 other communities in the List. <\/p>\n
In total, it involves 81 communities. The States involved are 18. This number of States may be more.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, after the drafting of the Bill, the Cabinet Committee on the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Minorities gave the green signal on 15th June, 1999. It was done three years back. At that time Bihar and Madhya Pradesh were not bifurcated. Now, Bihar has been bifurcated into Bihar and Jharkhand and Madhya Pradesh has been bifurcated into Madhya Pradesh and Chhatisgarh. This way, if we add Jharkhand and Chhatisgarh, the number of States may be 20 instead of 18.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, I support the intention of this Bill. In entry 33, there is a proposal for inclusion of Dhuli, Sabdaka and Badyakarcommunities. Similarly, in entry 34, there is a proposal for inclusion of Natta and Nat communities. This is a proposal from the State of Tripura.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, I cannot say that this Bill is a comprehensive one. There may be some more communities which deserve inclusion in the List. So, I cannot say that this Bill is anomaly-free or all the anomalies in the List, which was notified in the year 1950, are removed.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, there are certain communities in West Bengal, viz.,Deswuali and Majhi which are mostly inhibited in three districts of West Bengal, namely, Purulia, Bankura and Midnapore. As per my information there was a proposal to include them in this List. Looking at their economic status and social background, they also deserve to be included in this List. But this proposal is not there in the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
This way if we go throughout the country, there may be some more communities which deserve to be enlisted in this Bill. But they are not there.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, there is a proposal for exclusion of 24 communities. I do not know what is the number of population of these 24 communities. It is not clearly stated in the Statement of Objects and Reasons attached to the Bill. In the Financial Memorandum it is stated that it is not possible to estimate the likely additional expenditure to be incurred on this account at this stage. So, they are unable to estimate the likely additional expenditure that may be there. It is very unfortunate. The Government should come with a comprehensive Bill giving the exact population of these 24 communities, which are going to be excluded from the List. I would like to know the reasons for their exclusion. The Scheduled Caste people belonging to these 24 communities are upgraded and they are now to be treated as general people. Their status is being uplifted. It is all right if this is the case. This is as per the provisions of articles 341 and 342 of our Constitution. I would like to quote article 341 with regard to the Scheduled Castes. It says:\n<\/p>\n
As per this provision, even the Scheduled Caste and the Scheduled Tribe communities recognised by a State are not being recognised so in other places. As a result they are being confined to one place. For example, I belong to a tribal community of the State of Tripura. If I choose to settle in Delhi, my sons and daughters are not recognised as tribal people. I think this is not the intention of our Constitution. It is not the intention of our Constitution that the Scheduled Caste people should be confined to a particular area like the jail. This is not the correct position. My request is that a particular community having defined as either Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe should be recognised so throughout the country. They can go and settle anywhere otherwise they develop a complex.\n<\/p>\n
In the past 52 years, various Governments have implemented a number of developmental schemes for the upliftment of economic, social and educational life of these people. Huge amount of money is being allotted under this head in various Five Year Plans. Though the quantum of money allotted for the purpose is not meagre yet we find that instead of uplifting, the status of the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe people is coming down <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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(Shri Devendra Prasad Yadav in the Chair) Title: Further discussion on the Constitution Scheduled Castes Orders (Amendment) Bill 2001 moved by Dr. Satyanarayan Jaitya on […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-210149","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-judgements"],"yoast_head":"\nFurther Discussion On The Constitution Scheduled Castes Orders ... on 19 July, 2002 - Free Judgements of Supreme Court & High Court | Legal India<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/further-discussion-on-the-constitution-scheduled-castes-orders-on-19-july-2002\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Further Discussion On The Constitution Scheduled Castes Orders ... on 19 July, 2002 - 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