{"id":215851,"date":"1999-12-21T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1999-12-20T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-regarding-functioning-of-prasar-bharati-on-21-december-1999"},"modified":"2016-02-21T14:20:18","modified_gmt":"2016-02-21T08:50:18","slug":"discussion-regarding-functioning-of-prasar-bharati-on-21-december-1999","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-regarding-functioning-of-prasar-bharati-on-21-december-1999","title":{"rendered":"Discussion Regarding Functioning Of Prasar Bharati. on 21 December, 1999"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"docsource_main\">Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n<div class=\"doc_title\">Discussion Regarding Functioning Of Prasar Bharati. on 21 December, 1999<\/div>\n<\/p>\n<pre><\/pre>\n<p>     Title:  Discussion regarding functioning of Prasar Bharati.  <\/p>\n<p>16.05 hrs. <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20SPEAKER\">MR. SPEAKER<\/a>: Now, we will take up the discussion under Rule 193. I appeal   to the hon. Members that we have to complete this discussion today itself.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MIRYALGUDA\">MIRYALGUDA<\/a>): Today, once again, I rise to speak on Prasar Bharati, which has been paralysed in its functioning, more in sorrow   than in anger because the functioning of Prasar Bharati has been subverted   deliberately and malignantly and consistently. The BJP-led Government has   given three I&amp;B Ministers in less than two years, and they spoke in different  voices. But may I also hasten to add that there was a cynical common pattern  to all their actions in regard to Prasar Bharati.\n<\/p>\n<p> When my good friend, Pramod Mahajanji, was the Minister of Information,  I used to be quite comfortable with him because of his disarming political  candour. He thought, that the Government must have its own channel now that  there are private channels. I am not as comfortable with Shri Jaitley because  he talks very sweetly about liberalism; I am afraid, he is no less a slippery  customer.\n<\/p>\n<p> Before I deal with the various blows that were so mercilessly dealt to   Prasar Bharati by the BJP-led Government, may I go into the history of this   Board? May I also deal with the first principles of democracy? The Charter   of Canadian Corporation starts with the famous words, &#8220;The air belongs to  all of us&#8221;. It was Jawaharlal Nehru, way back in 1948, speaking in the Constituent  Assembly, who desired that the All India Radio should, in due course, approximate  to the BBC. At that time, we did not have Doordarshan.\n<\/p>\n<p> There was a Committee headed by Chanda in 1960s, which recommended an   autonomous corporation for All India Radio. After 1977, there was Verghese   Committee Report, which also recommended an autonomous corporation for both   All India Radio and Doordarshan. When the Congress came back in 1980, the   Congress Government also appointed two Committees. One was Joshi Committee,   the other was Parthasarathy Committee. One thing that is common to all these   Committee reports was, each one of them recommended formation of an autonomous   corporation. It was because of the consensus that had been evolved in the   country over years and decades through so many expert committee reports that  Parliament of India could pass the present Act, the Prasar Bharati Act, 1990  unanimously in both Houses.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, the hon. Minister, who is a noted lawyer, is well aware of the historic  judgement delivered by the Supreme Court in 1995. The Supreme Court, amongst  other things, said:\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;In the interest of ensuring plurality of opinions, the broadcasting media cannot be allowed to be under a monopoly of anyone &#8212; be it the monopoly of Government or of an individual body or organisation. Government control, in effect, is not conducive to the free expression of contending viewpoints&#8221;.\n<\/p>\n<p> After this Supreme Court judgement, I do not think, anybody has an option  but to confer optimal statutory autonomy on both Akashvani and Doordarshan.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, I happened to become a Minister. I was there only for a few months.  When I became a Minister, the first statement I made was that my job would  be to render myself jobless. I do not think that our democracy is so backward  to need the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. In fact, in no advanced  country in the world do we have any Ministry called the Information and Broadcasting.  I am really happy that my good friend, Shri Arun Jaitley, has been given another portfolio, namely, the Disinvestment. If he was unemployed, he would have kept meddling in All India Radio and Doordarshan. I hope, because of the additional portfolio, he would not be tempted to do that. Being an optimist,  Mr. Speaker, Sir, I should not be faulted for hoping against hope.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, one charge that has been levelled against me is that I got the Prasar  Bharati Board constituted towards the end of my tenure as a Minister. I would  like to set the records straight. I made this point repeatedly but some people  are unwilling to learn, therefore, I am obliged to repeat.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, I became a Minister on May 1, and made all these statements. I notified  the 1990 Act on 22nd July, 1997 and said that the Prasar Bharati Act would  become operational from 15th of September, 1997. So, it was not a step taken  overnight but it was a step taken after a due process. Then, an Ordinance  was promulgated on 30th October, 1997. At that time, at least nobody in the  world knew that the Jain Commission Report would be leaked and our Government  would come under a cloud. The Ordinance was promulgated on 30th October, 1997. The Government wrote to the Chairman of the Selection Committee, namely the Vice-President, to go about the business of selecting persons. The hon. Minister knows full well that the selections made by the Selection Committee are final and binding on the Government. The Government has no role to play in the matter at all.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, be that as it may. Then, the BJP led Government came to power at   the Centre. What did it do? It wanted to get rid of Shri Gill. I am neither   attached to Shri Gill nor do I contend that he was the only competent man.   There may be other equally competent persons.\n<\/p>\n<p> I cannot help but refer to the manner in which Shri Gill was removed.   Before the Parliament was adjourned, for the first time in the history of  free India, 124 Members of Rajya Sabha wrote a letter to the Prime Minister   of India, with a copy to the President of India, that they would oppose this  amendment. The Bill was not deliberately taken to Rajya Sabha. After Parliament was adjourned, they promulgated an ordinance.\n<\/p>\n<p> There is a tendency to equate this ordinance with the ordinance I promulgated.  When I promulgated the ordinance, because of the support lent by the Congress  Party we had the support in both the Houses, I consulted the Congress Party&#8221;s  leader. Secondly, there is nothing wrong in promulgating an ordinance. But  they did not produce it before the House. They may turn around and ask, `Did  you produce?&#8221; I did not because I could not. I was not around to produce the ordinance before Parliament. But they were around. They promulgated the ordinance and threw out, the Chief Executive Officer, But, the I &amp; B Minister never turned up in Parliament with the ordinance. This is a biggest fraud played on the Constitution, having regard to the manner in which Rajya Sabha was deliberately bypassed.\n<\/p>\n<p> Okay, Shri Gill is not indispensable, but somebody else could have been  appointed. Nobody has been appointed. Two years were completed. Two members  of the Board had to be retired. I was told on April 1, 1999; subject to confirmation  by the Minister (I am not supposed to know what is transpiring in his Ministry)  that there was a notification to the effect that two of the six members of  Prasar Bharati Board would be retired through a neutral process of drawing  of lots. One, of course, was elevated as Governor. I do not know what happened  to this notification. On one fine morning, two people were handpicked &#8212; Prof. Romilla Thapar and Shri Rajendra Yadav.\n<\/p>\n<p> To call Prof. Romilla Thapar no more than a Leftist is to indulge in intellectual violence, analytical vulgarity and academic obscenity. Prof. Romilla Thapar, ironically, ten days before she was removed, was honoured with the Fellowship of the British Royal Academy, the highest honour the Great Britain can confer in the area of social sciences. The first Indian to receive this honour was Prof. Radhakrishnan. The other Indians who received this honour include such people like M.N. Srinivas, the founder of Indian sociology, who passed away recently and Prof. K.N. Raj, the doyen of Indian economists. Prof. Romilla Thapar is an internationally acclaimed historian. They heap humiliation on a person of this stature! They see red in every bush. They are practising McCarthyism. Shri Rajendra Yadav is nothing more than a Leftist for them. Okay, they are, of course, benighted leftists who need to be consigned to the dustbin of history because the blessed BJP is in power. What else can be done?\n<\/p>\n<p> What else can be done? But what did they do with the other people? Prof.  U.R. Rao has been found fit for only four-year term. Do we have a more eminent  Space Scientist who had hands on experience with communications? Who had more to do with the INSAT than Prof. U.R. Rao? May I enlighten the Minister that Prof. U.R. Rao received the prestigious International Award from the Association of International Aeronautics for his magnum opus? He wrote on the social Applications of Space Technology. He was only given a four-year term! <\/p>\n<p> Shri Abid Hussain who distinguished himself as a bureaucrat, as a diplomat,  who is now serving as a rapporteur on the UN Human Rights Commission has been considered fit for only four-year term. Does it behove any Government inflict this kind of mortification on men of our eminence? They were, at least, kind enough to Shri Verghese. They gave him a six-year term but they kept one six-year vacancy unfilled deliberately. For whom, Sir?\n<\/p>\n<p> Now, Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have a Prasar Bharati Board. What a phantom  Board we have! We have an acting Director-General of Doordarshan, we have  an acting Director-General of All India Radio, we have an acting Chief Executive  Officer. Nothing against the present Chief Executive Officer. He is an excellent  officer. But he is an Additional Secretary to the Government of India. That  is my complaint. There is no Chairman. Shri Nikhil Chakraborty was also condemned  as a Leftist though he was the doyen of Indian journalists, be that as it  may, he passed away. Sir, they did not deem it fit to fill the vacancy of  Chairman. They have not framed the rules so far under the Prasar Bharati Act. This is an act of deliberate omission. They are guilty of masterly inaction.\n<\/p>\n<p> Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Government is not only willing to wound but willing  to kill. But they are unable to do so because they do not have majority in  the Rajya Sabha. If it could, it would have rolled back the Prasar Bharati  into the Bay of Bengal. What are they instead? It is stifling. The infant  is being stifled. If the infant is stifled in this manner, the growth of this institution would remain retarded.\n<\/p>\n<p> Therefore, I said, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am speaking more with agony because  there is no point in losing temper on people who cannot be credited with sensitivity. Now, our Minister came out with a new proposition that `there must be persons only drawn from the Media.&#8221; It was said in the past, `The war is much too important to be left to the Generals. The Prasar Bharati is much too important to be left to the Media experts.&#8221; There must be experts  drawn from different disciplines to facilitate, what should I say, cross-fertilization of ideas. They must have people from different disciplines. It is never too late. Why I am saying so, why I am wasting my breath, because it is not too late to resurrect this body. And now, an orchestrated campaign has been unleashed  to say that the Prasar Bharati Board has failed.\n<\/p>\n<p>You never allowed it to function. It was never fully constituted. You have been trying to sabotage it from the word go and from the day one.\n<\/p>\n<p> Shri Arun Jaitley, being a professional lawyer, is fond of his own professionalism.  None is opposed to professionalism. But professionalism at what level? It  may be there at the level of functioning but not at the level of the members  of Prasar Bharati. I am happy to find Dr. Nitish Sengupta here who served  a committee. He is also one of those who headed one Committee. I should say  in fairness to him that he made many useful recommendations. I drew upon some of the recommendations. I am referring to those things when I promulgated  an Ordinance. I hope our hon. Minister will prove my fears to be liars. In  the name of professionalisation, he may try to indulge in saffronisation.  That is my solid fear. I want to enquire with our non-BJP partners of NDA  as to why none of them has been given HRD portfolio, Home Ministry or IB.  Dear friends, please wake up and realise that none of you are considered fit for these portfolios. You cannot be trusted to carry on the Agenda.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=BALASORE\">BALASORE<\/a>): Do you want us to learn just to cross  over to Congress just as you have learnt to cross over to Congress? Are you  asking everybody to go there or what? Do you want us to do just as what  you  have done?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Some interventions are treated with benign neglect.   Our hon. Minister may say Prasar Bharati is on trial. Through you I would   like to tell him that it is not Prasar Bharati which is on trial. It is the  Minister who is on trial. It is you who are in the dock. I hope at least  now he will rise to the collective call of the country and liberate the electronic  media from the Government&#8221;s stranglehold.\n<\/p>\n<p> I can give examples galore when the Government intervened, not during   his Ministry, but at the time of his predecessor. But I do not want to waste   the time of the House. I am dealing with the principle. Therefore, I want   the hon. Minister to rise to the occasion and see that this infant is allowed   to grow at its natural pace and our hon. Minister should also realise that  we have the largest network in the world. If you think the Government must   have its own Channel, then you must have your own newspaper. You can start   your own newspaper, but you will not find newspaper readers. Therefore, please  recover from your ancient background because you are living in BC while we are moving into the third millennium. I hope through internet, you will be  able to travel into third millennium along with all of us.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EDR.%20NITISH%20SENGUPTA%20\">&#8220;&gt;DR. NITISH SENGUPTA <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=CONTAI\">CONTAI<\/a>): Mr. Chairman, Sir, thank  you very much for giving me this opportunity.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Since Shri S. Jaipal Reddy referred to the Committee which  I headed on Prasar Bharati, which happened to be the last of the many Committees   on the subject, I would like to give a brief background. That Committee was  set up when Shri P.A. Sangma was the Minister of Information and Broadcasting.   I still remember the day when he called me to head that Committee. I said,   `Look, I am not a mediaperson. Why are you troubling me&#8221;, to which he said,   `No, I want someone like you, a management expert, an administration expert  to tell us where the Act has gone wrong.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Let me come to the background of 1990, till which time  Doordarshan had a monopoly. That was why the question of autonomy became terribly important. The Verghese Committee and all the other Committees felt that since the Government had the uncontrolled power over news and current affairs; the political party in power could always take an unfair advantage of the complete control over Doordarshan and All India Radio. Therefore, autonomy was desirable. But by one of those paradoxes in history, Doordarshan lost that monopoly power almost before the ink was dried on the Prasar Bharati   Act.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; You will recall that the role that CNN played when the  Kuwait-Iraq conflict erupted. The tremendous power wielded by satellite communication  and the dish antenna was discovered for the first time. Then, all the other  channels followed, both Indian and foreign.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;16.31 hours (Shri Basu Deb Acharia in the Chair) <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Mr. Chairman, today, the Indian viewer is no longer tied   down to the monopoly of Doordarshan at all. He has a tremendous amount of  choice: BBC, CNN and many other Indian channels. In fact, one of my recommendations   in that Committee was that it was pointless to stick to a position that we  would not give permission for uplinking to these satellite channels. That was a short-term Committee and no Committee has produced so much in a report  as that Committee did with such a low cost to the Government. Neither the  Chairman nor the members took any honorarium or anything. They took only the travelling expenses.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; After Shri P.A. Sangma came Shrimati Sushma Swaraj. She  told me to galvanize the Committee again and submit a Report quickly. I was  going to submit an Interim Report and then the Final Report. I was asked to submit the Final Report quickly. Later on, Shri C.M. Ibrahim became the Minister. He had very strong views on satellite channels. He said, `Only over my dead body will the Indian Government permit uplinking facility to foreign channels.&#8221; I said, `You can take a view there but can you prevent the Internet from coming in? What is the point in allowing the satellite channels to go on like free floating sovereign agencies without any control? It is much better to give them licence which will not only give the Government the power to put conditions for approval and for licence but also bring in a lot of foreign exchange to the coffers of the Government of India.&#8221; It was done but anyway today the autonomy is gone. Today, the Indian viewer is no longer tied down to the monopoly of Doordarshan. Therefore, the question of autonomy becomes less and less important. That is the background which I would like hon. Members to appreciate.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; A lot of reference has been made to the BBC. The BBC also  had the first channel only for the Government, to disseminate the Government&#8221;s   views. The BBC Charter also has a provision for the BBC to be given directives   by the Government although after the Second World War that power has been   exercised only once. During the Falkland Islands dispute, when the BBC was  giving a lot of publicity to the sinking of an Argentinian cruiser by a British  submarine, there was a lot of human angle to it and it showed how the British  submarines were cruel to the Argentinians who were going down under the sea. At that time, the only directive which has been issued in half-a-century  by the Government to the BBC was, `Please do not show it too much.&#8221; But this  was not done.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; It is not so much whether there is a law but much depends  on the traditions that we build. The various practices and the kind of healthy   traditions that we build gradually are really what are going to govern. After  that conflict in the Gulf, there has been a lot of political changes. Maybe,  it may take some time for the Government to appreciate the reality. I hope,  they will try to recast the Prasar Bharati Act taking into account the vastly  changed and fast-changing situation.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I had referred to two processes of change. When my Committee  was deliberating, there was nothing called DTH but basically it was only  about  dish antenna and all that. But shortly after the Report was submitted,  DTH  came into the picture and again complicated the matter.\n<\/p>\n<p>    Even now, the Government is not able to take a decision on how to treat  some of these technological problems which are appearing.\n<\/p>\n<p> Mr. Chairman, my good friend, Mr. Jaipal Reddy has mentioned about he  being made into an accused and of arbitrariness and all that. Is that completely  correct? It is true that when he announced that the Prasar Bharati Act would  be brought into operation, there was the support of the Congress. But on the 17th or 18th of November 1997, if I am not mistaken, the Congress announced  the withdrawal of support. On 19th, the meeting of the Selection Committee  took place. This could have taken place earlier also. On 19th, the meeting  of the Selection Committee took place and on the 20th at midnight when the  Congress had withdrawn support this announcement of the new Committee was   made.\n<\/p>\n<p> Constitutional propriety demands that such a major decision should be   left to the successor Minister or the successor Government. Even if the decision has been taken, it should have been said that since they have lost the majority and since this Government is going out, let this matter be put up to the successor Government which will be coming in. So, I think that it is not correct to accuse the Government of fraud. I would not use strong words. He is my good friend. Perhaps, it was slightly improper to have hastened that  notification at that time.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Since you have referred to me, may I give a clarification,  if you yield?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=DR.%20NITISH%20SENGUPTA%20\">DR. NITISH SENGUPTA <\/a>: Yes, absolutely.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Firstly, it is not factually correct to say that  the Congress party withdrew support on 17th November. The Congress Party,   on 17th November said that if the DMK Ministers were not dropped, it might  be constrained to withdraw support. Mr. Sengupta is a veteran bureaucrat;   he is still a babe in the political woods. Therefore, let him to try to tread  on a strange terrain.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=DR.%20NITISH%20SENGUPTA%20\">DR. NITISH SENGUPTA <\/a>: The other point is about the Government hastening  it with the notification. By 20th, it was quite clear that the Congress was  withdrawing support.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: No. No. It was not clear. Sir, this point needs  to be clarified. I am happy that a person with a background of Mr. Nitish   Sengupta had raised it, because it permits me to go on record with my clarification.  You may please refer to any dates. I said that the Vice-President of India  was requested to make selections on 30th October. After that, the Government  had no role to play. Secondly, the Board was constituted through a notification  on 23rd November, by which time, the Government had not fallen formally. The Congress had not written to the President of India at all. This is the point I would like to clarify.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=DR.%20NITISH%20SENGUPTA%20\">DR. NITISH SENGUPTA <\/a>: The question is whether it was proper to issue that   notification because the power to issue that notification rests with the  Government. The Government at that stage should have announced that it is  an important decision. &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20SONTOSH%20MOHAN%20DEV%20\">SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SILCHAR\">SILCHAR<\/a>): During the last six months, before the   elections, how many decisions were taken by this Government? Now, you are   referring to one decision taken at that time.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=DR.%20NITISH%20SENGUPTA%20\">DR. NITISH SENGUPTA <\/a>: Let us confine our discussion to the present subject   matter.\n<\/p>\n<p> A question was raised about the removal &#8211; or I do not know whether we   can call it removal &#8211; or just simply vacating the position under the law.  I have told that there were many defects in the entire Act. It made the main  author or the architect of that, Mr. Upendra issue a statement once in a Press briefing saying that this Act has become practically unworkable. That is why, there was a long delay in implementing the Act between 1990 and 1997.  Successive Governments came, but nobody bothered about that Act at all, although it has been passed unanimously.\n<\/p>\n<p> Well, certainly, Mr. Jaipal Reddy deserves a lot of credit for implementing  this Act, for the first time. When the persons from the Media asked him as  to what happened to the recommendations of the Nitish Sengupta Committee some of which are very appropriate, he did announce that he shall give effect to them through legislation later on, but just then he was in a hurry to introduce that law because for eight years they had been sitting on it.\n<\/p>\n<p> Eight years of delay took place between the passing of the Act and its   implementation. These eight years were very very crucial. Now, there is a   sea change in the technological scenario and the electronic media scenario.   Things are no longer what they were in the seventies and eighties. The Act   itself says that the term of the Members would be for six years and one-third   of them will retire every two years. The Government will retire two of them   after every two years. The Government has the power to do it and the Government  went about it. According to whatever limited facts that I have been able to gather, the Government decided to really concentrate on those who are in the media and who had direct professional relationship with the media field  and decided to retain them. The Government chose to retire those who did not have that direct professional experience or attachment to the media field.  That is why the question of retiring one lady and one gentleman came up. But, bear in mind, not a single BJP person has been picked up and placed in their place. I would have understood it if the Government is set on saffronising  the whole thing and removing the known Leftists. But that is not borne out  by the facts because not a single saffron person has been put in their place.  Still the vacancies exist and we have to see what the Government is going  to do. I think it is unfair to accuse the Government at this stage of being  particularly biased against the Leftists or people of Left protestations.  The Government has decided to retain those eminent people like space scientist  Shri U.R. Rao and Shri Abid Hussain. Shri Nikhil Chakroborty who is my mentor  has passed away. So, it is not correct to see or read anything and everything,  when nothing is there. Therefore, I think, it would be unfair to blame the  Minister and the Government that in a high handed manner they replaced two  of the members and retained others. It is neither red nor saffron.\n<\/p>\n<p> The Government had the power to replace two of them and it only followed  the provisions of law. One of the two members even went to the High Court  and that petition, I understand, had been dismissed. So, the High Court have  read the law correctly and they have decided on the basis of their understanding  of what the law says. It has been said that three Ministers of the BJP have  spoken in three different voices. That only shows that there is some internal  democracy in BJP. That only shows that they are not controlled by the Sangh  parivar or some other organisations. Shrimati Sushma Swaraj took very keen  interest in Prasar Bharati. She wanted to recommend some of the recommendations  that my Committee had recommended. Then, Shri Pramod Mahajan made a statement  as to what is the point in providing autonomy when the Government is so much  concerned and when the Government spends so much o money. A little while ago I mentioned that the entire question of autonomy has become somewhat irrelevant because of the changes that have taken place in several fields.\n<\/p>\n<p> I feel the Government should come out with a resurrected Prasar Bharati  Act taking into account the great changes which have taken place in the political  scenario, in the technological scenario etc., which brooks of no legal difficulty.  So, I do hope that the changes which have taken place from 1990 onwards would  be taken into account. Shri Jeevan Reddy, Supreme Court Justice has said that nobody has the right to control the air. But then the Doordarshan would be part of the Government media.\n<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, the Committee to which a reference was made, of which I happened  to be the Chairman, made a recommendation that like BBC, Channel-I should   be devoted to only expressing the Government&#8221;s point of view, news or the   current affairs and Channels II, III and IV should be devoted to things like,  agriculture, health and population. Of course, they should also be permitted  to raise a part of the resources through advertisements. Mr. Chairman, Sir,  the basic point is, today, how do you make Doordarshan compete with the number  of private channels that are there. Doordarshan is the national property but it must acquire competitive edge. There I think it is professionalisation  or professionalism more than anything else which holds good.\n<\/p>\n<p> Another recommendation of mine in regard to Doordarshan and All India   Radio was this. Historically, Doordarshan was an off-shoot of the All India   Radio system but there is no reason why they should be kept together. They   should be separated because technologies are different, styles are different   and even the programmes are also becoming quite different. If you see a discussion or something on Doordarshan, it will appear as if the whole thing is planned on the style of All India Radio. But, normally if you see the television programmes elsewhere, you will see an altogether different technology. I am sorry, I am going into some of these details.\n<\/p>\n<p> The other point is regarding the Doordarshan and the All India Radio being kept together. Doordarshan is a glamour boy. Everybody from the AIR wants to go to Doordarshan. I would say that those who are in Doordarshan should be in Doordarshan only. Just to get the promotion they go to AIR, revert and again get back to Doordarshan as quickly as they can. This, Mr. Chairman, is all on the present situation.\n<\/p>\n<p> As I have recommended, instead of statutory corporation, the Doordarshan  and the AIR should be turned into two separate joint sector companies. I had a long discussion with Shri Jaipal Reddy and he asked me as to how I get across the figure of Rs.50,000 crore which the Government is supposed to have given as the value of the property. I told him that it is entirely by the figures which the department gave to me. I had suggested that shares should be issued to Government or others and they should be turned into the joint sector companies or separate companies. Who says, radio has become obsolete?  Today, one of the wonders in the Western world has been the revival of radio  and it competing with T.V, just as ground stations are competing with the  satellites.\n<\/p>\n<p> I have taken a lot of time. I am sorry for that. But it is not correct   to say that the Government has committed fraud or have deliberately made  use of or manipulated the law. On the other hand they have proceeded according  to the law, as laid down in the Act which was passed unanimously in 1990.\n<\/p>\n<p> ______ <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%20%22%3ESHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\"> &#8220;&gt;SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=HOOGLY\">HOOGLY<\/a>): Sir, the BJP in power and the BJP out of power, are two different faces. This I say when I compare what Shri Pramod Mahajan had said and what today Shri Arun Jaitley has to say in regard to the autonomy or rather the undesirability of autonomy, particularly  in respect of the Doordarshan and Akashvani the two electronic media. If we compare what the Government say today with what has been said earlier, my saying two faces of the BJP &#8211; out of power and in power &#8211; will be confirmed.  I am referring to a larger figure in the saffron camp. His name is, Shri L.K. Advani. Immediately after the Janata Government had come under the leadership   of Shri Morarji Desai, Shri Advani was the Minister for I&amp;B. You may  see what he had to say at that point of time. Of course, the Minister may  now say that two decades have passed and a lot of changes have taken place.  The Minister seems to be more conscious about the technological changes.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;He is trying to emphasize accountability. He is trying to give focus to the credibility aspect of Doordarshan and Aakashvani. But things have not changed much about the concept of autonomy. As has been rightly pointed out by my esteemed colleague Shri Jaipal Reddy, since the 1960s, so many committees, so many individuals, experts, Parliamentarians and Ministers have been emphasizing that the only alternative was autonomy. Autonomy can be of different varieties. There should be public autonomy, so that people  can have access to information. People have a right to information to communicate  their feelings, emotions, messages and also have access to it.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Rightly in 1995 the historic judgment by the Supreme Court  said that airways was a public property. There can be no governmental control  or for that matter there can be no private control either. It is just like   oxygen or river water. Airways is a public property.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I had been referring to the two faces of BJP. Now I shall  refer to their two voices. They are speaking of the second generation reforms.   They do not even know as to what happened to the first generation reforms.  In their own manifesto they have written that since 1991, for six years,  Congress Party had wasted the reforms process and they landed the country  in distress  and sorrow. Out of the eight years of reforms process, they refer to the first six years like this. In the last two-three years they have suddenly woken  up to the second generation reforms. They say, they are selling this and that; they are opening it on a platter; they are making presentation of Navratnas;  they are speaking so much of market economy and decontrol. Looking at the  pace at which they are proceeding, even the World Bank is asking as to what we are doing &#8211;  &#8220;&gt; \u092a\u093e\u0917\u0932 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092f\u0939  \u0915\u092f\u093e  \u0921\u093e\u092f\u0930\u0948\u0915\u0936\u0928  \u0939\u094b\u0917\u093e, \u0915\u092f\u093e \u0924\u0930\u0940\u0915\u093e  \u0939\u094b\u0917\u093e\u0964 &#8220;&gt; <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;Mr. Paul Krugman  and many other great advocates of reforms are criticising this and they themselves  are taking a U-turn. Now they are speaking about reforms. That is a different  story. But here is an area where they want to get back the control on the  media.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20BIKRAM%20KESHARI%20%20DEO%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI  DEO <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=KALAHANDI\">KALAHANDI<\/a>): I am on a Point of Order, Sir.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>:  Under what rule?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20BIKRAM%20KESHARI%20%20DEO%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI  DEO <\/a>: Under Rule 376, Sir. My Point of Order is that when the hon. Member  was referring to disinvestment and all that, he used the word `paagal&#8221;. I  would request you, as this word is unparliamentary, to kindly expunge it from the proceedings.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: That can be done by you, Sir. Whether the word `pagal&#8221; is unparliamentary  or not can be checked up and a direction can be given from the Chair. The  Chair can check it up, Sir.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Okay. Please continue.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20BIKRAM%20KESHARI%20%20DEO%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI  DEO <\/a>: Sir, this is a serious matter.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: It is not unparliamentary. Please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20SONTOSH%20MOHAN%20%20DEV%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN  DEV <\/a>: Perhaps you have not seen the Zero Hour. That is why you are questioning  it. During that time, many of us are in that category! <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL  REDDY <\/a>: I must thank him because I did not hear the word. He has got it broadcast  now.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u0942\u092a\u091a\u0928\u094d\u0926  \u092a\u093e\u0932 : \u091c\u094b \u091a\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u093e  \u0939\u0948, \u0935\u0939  \u092d\u093e\u0937\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092d\u0940 \u0939\u094b \u0914\u0930  \u0926\u0943\u0937\u094d\u093f\u091f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092d\u0940 \u0939\u094b\u0964 &#8220;&gt; <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;What I have been telling is that they are speaking  in two voices.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Now I refer not to the divergent voices of BJP,  but to the individual voice of the hon. Minister, an eminent lawyer, Shri  Arun Jaitley. He said that autonomy was needed when their party first came  to power as the official media had been misused earlier by the Congress Party.  Now they are misusing it.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I am just reading a part of what has been stated  by the eminent Hindi literator who has been unceremoniously removed from the Prasar Bharati Board. There was a Public Interest Litigation also against  his removal on which the Delhi High Court had already given its judgement.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EAN%20HON.%20MEMBER\">&#8220;&gt;AN HON. MEMBER<\/a>: But he lost the case.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : He lost the case; it is all  right. But morally it is indignant; morally no civilised Government should  do it. He said that, since the electoral process was set under way, he had  assumed the authority on behalf of the Prasar Bharati Board to monitor the  public grievances about the quality of political coverage in the electronic  media. He, in this capacity, received no fewer than 1,500 complaints from  the viewers about Doordarshan&#8221;s unseemly bias towards the BJP. He argues:\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8220;For every individual who writes, there must  be, at least, a thousand who share the same perception.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, they say that the Congress Party was misusing  it and that is why, they had demanded autonomy, at that time. But now, the  Prasar Bharati Board member himself is publicly saying that he had intervened  against the misuse by the BJP during the election process. Then, the Chief  Election Commissioner and the Election Commission had also intervened. They  wanted to introduce a 24 hours News Channel to give publicity for the image  building of their leader, to have an edge in the election. But the Election  Commission had intervened in the matter. They could not forget and forgive  the people who had been upholding the concept of autonomy and guarding the  autonomous institution.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, the Government had unceremoniously removed  the members of the Prasar Bharati Board. Is this the way to remove them that  the people should know that they have been removed only through newspapers?  What does it show? This shows to the people that the BJP has come to power  and they will remove everybody, whatever may be their status or however high  the reputation and recognition they may be having throughout the world, be  it in the Indian Council of Historical Research, be it in the NCERT, etc.  Can they not show the simple courtesy of informing those people like Romila  Thapar and Rajendra Yadav, on telephone about their removal? Is this a civilised  Government? They do not even have the courtesy of informing those people,  who have been honoured internationally and who have contributed to the Prasar  Bharati Board in their capacity as members, by making a single telephone call. Can they justify it? No; they cannot justify it. So, they will have to keep silent. It never happens in any civilised country.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; The member of the Prasar Bharati Board, who had been removed now, says:\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8220;My ultimate objective is to ensure credibility  of the medium&#8230;&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8220;&#8230;Because of this only autonomy was recommended.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, Doordarshan was once called `Indira Darshan&#8221;  and the most eloquent speakers from that side, at that time, were Shri L.K.  Advani and people who had been in the Opposition then, including our hon.  Prime Minister. But now they are speaking in different voices among themselves  also. Shri Arun Jaitley is speaking about accountability. He is also speaking  about the autonomy required these days because, he says, this was misused  by them. He is also speaking about credibility. But I shall give due credit  to Shri Pramod Mahajan. He does not care for the hidden agenda. He does not  have anything to hide. He says:\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8220;Prasar Bharati has lost all relevance. It was  wrong to constitute Prasar Bharati.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, in 1990, I was here, many of us were here  and Shri P. Upendra discussed it for several hours with us. I have been associated  with the Consultative Committee of the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting  for several years, since 1980.\n<\/p>\n<p>    17.00 hrs.    <\/p>\n<p> Some of us were consulted at various levels and ultimately, a consensus  was reached. BJP was a party to that. Their leaders were a party to that.\n<\/p>\n<p> What is he saying? He says: &#8220;Ensuring autonomy to the Government, autonomy  to the Government channel, it is a meaningless exercise. We are spending one thousand crores of rupees. How can we just allow this body to work without  any Governmental control?&#8221; This is what Shri Pramod Mahajan says. He says  further: &#8220;No Government would like to spend about Rs. 1,000 crore on DD and  AIR and have no control over them in day to day activities, specially at the functioning of the Prasar Bharati.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p> I just remind them that once our hon. Shri P.A. Sangma, when he was the  Information and Broadcasting Minister, somewhere in the North-East had come  out with a statement that Prasar Bharati was only an extended wing of the   Government and it was meant for propagation of Government views only. This  is what Shri Sangma had said. He was the Minister of Information and Broadcasting   for a brief period. At that time, the entire Opposition including the leaders   of the BJP joined in the protest and said that after the Prasar Bharati had  been set up as a public autonomous body, the Ministers should not interfere  in its functioning. Somehow, the Minister, Shri Sangma, tried to retract  and  backed out from the stand he had taken in public.\n<\/p>\n<p> Mr. Chairman, Sir, there is another Member on behalf of my Party who will speak. So, I am trying to be brief.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, he has talked about professionalism. What is professionalism? Let   us define it. Yes, it is to put people like Shri Sonu Sen, Gnanamurthy, and  others. Okay, they are professionals. But what about the presentation of pluralism of views, which is a verdict of the Supreme Court?\n<\/p>\n<p> After six months, micro soft and some other things are going to come in Internet. In these days, a debate is going on, in this age of information   technology, digital revolution, how more and more people will have access  to global scenario, access to global information. You are trying to have a control over it. I do not know whether this is outside the Parliamentary   parlance or not. They are living in the fools&#8221; paradise. You shall be punished   by history, you shall be punished by the technology, and you shall be punished   by the people next time when you face the people.\n<\/p>\n<p> Firstly, he has taken one stand, that is professionalism. Immediately,   when he saw that it would not stand the test of criticism, which was coming   on, then he took a legal stand. He said that he removed them because he had  got the authority and power and also said that they could go to the court. Why had this Prasar Bharati been set up? Why did you agree to it? Why are  you still speak about autonomy? Why are you still speak about accountability?\n<\/p>\n<p> Communications, broadcasting and telecommunication will ultimately converge.  We have the Ministry of Information and Technology. Yesterday I was asking  the hon. Minister for Communications a question. The Telecom Regulatory Authority  of India has been set up by an Act of Parliament. They are defying the C&amp;AG  when the C&amp;AG wanted to know from them as to what was the basis for the  fixation of the tariff structure, which goes very much against the DoT and  the Government companies.\n<\/p>\n<p> Instead of giving them that information, they are going to the court and challenging the authority of the Comptroller and Auditor General and spending Government money. And you are saying that they are autonomous! Terms like `autonomy&#8221; and `independence&#8221; are being used by them only to confuse others. Even the regulator is accountable to someone and Prasar Bharati, of course, is accountable. But that does not mean that it is accountable to an individual Minister. There was a very big rally at Delhi. The Minister himself had, on the floor of the House, said that when the news had gone for broadcasting it, some higher-ups had intervened to say that no such news should go because it was a rally of the Third Front secular parties at Delhi. I had said that on the floor of the House also and no one had the guts to reply that day. They are behaving in a manner which will lead to their own graves. These people are behaving in a manner where they will lose their credibility. And if they want to control the electronic media, the electronic media also will lose its credibility. We have got excellent people. We have the best professionals in our structure in Doordarshan and also in Akashwani. Our people have been honoured. I can give you umpteen number of such cases. Our own Secretary was taken by Star TV Our own people in Doordarshan were taken by Zee TV and others. They are running their channels because of our own trained people and still they say we do not have professionals, and just to bring in professionalism, two eminent people had to be removed. No one will buy their argument. No one will buy their logic.\n<\/p>\n<p> They are talking about so many irrelevant and meaningless things about   technology and about digital technology age. I have been associated with  a Select Committee under the leadership of Shri Sharad Pawar. I had the occasion  to listen to many viewpoints. I have also been associated with the National  Media Policy Group led by Shri Ram Vilas Paswan. When Shri K.P. Singh Deo  was the Minister, he had set up that body and I was the privileged person  to be associated with that body. I had the occasion to listen to so many things. The Congressmen had their own choice, their own preferences, their own authoritarian style of functioning and the BJP has been claiming that they are different, they are democratic. But now we see that there is no difference between them in the matter of misuse of the electronic media and also it is lopsided on information, education, entertainment. Now they say that on 26th January, we will have one Education Channel, we will have this, we will have that, but their preference is commercialisation, commerce and profit, not service. I shall only remind them that when Doordarshan had come first in the nineties, during the late Shrimati Indira Gandhi&#8221;s time, it was said that it will be the most meaningful instrument of social change,  with emphasis on education, information and, of course, healthy entertainment,  which they are themselves destroying, and I think they will destroy themselves  by trying to destroy these institutions which are built up by the people of this country. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940  \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0940\u0935 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093e\u092a \u0930\u0942\u0921\u0940 (\u091b\u092a\u0930\u093e) \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0906\u091c \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0930 \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940  \u092a\u0930 \u092f\u0939 \u091a\u0930\u094d\u091a\u093e \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906\u0908  \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u091c\u092f\u092a\u093e\u0932  \u0930\u0947\u0921\u094d\u0921\u0940 \u0938\u093e\u0939\u092c \u0928\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u0936\u0947\u0937 \u0930\u0942\u092a \u0938\u0947 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u0916\u0942\u092c\u0938\u0942\u0930\u0924  \u0905\u0902\u0917\u094d\u0930\u0947\u091c\u0940 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0924\u0925\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u094b \u091b\u093f\u092a\u093e\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u092a\u094d\u0930\u092f\u093e\u0938  \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e\u0964 \u0906\u091c 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(\u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: He is not yielding; so, I will  allow you after him.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Sir, I have a right.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20RAJIV%20PRATAP%20RUDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY <\/a>: I have a right to carry  on.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: I have a right to offer  a personal clarification.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20RAJIV%20PRATAP%20RUDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY <\/a>: I know that these various  things which I am just telling you are hurting you. But then, in the interest  of this country, I am compelled to speak out these things.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Shri Reddy, he is not yielding.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You can speak after he completes  his submission.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Sir, I have every right  to offer a personal clarification &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0921\u0949. \u0930\u0918\u0941\u0935\u0902\u0936  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0926 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939  (\u0935\u0948\u0936\u093e\u0932\u0940) : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f,   \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f  \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092c\u0948\u0920\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0938\u0915\u093e  \u0928\u093e\u092e \u0932\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f \u0914\u0930  \u0909\u0938 \u092a\u0930  \u092f\u0926\u093f \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0906\u0930\u094b\u092a  \u0932\u0917\u093e\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f, \u0924\u094b \u0935\u0939 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e  \u0915\u0932\u0948\u0930\u0940\u092b\u093f\u0915\u0947\u0936\u0928   \u0926\u0947\u0917\u093e \u092f\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902?\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;&#8230; (\u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)&#8221;&gt; &#8220;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20%20%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI   RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: Sir, he has the right to offer a clarification &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20%20%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI   S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Sir, I would rise only to offer my personal clarification  &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: But he is not yielding. You can speak after he finished his submission.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230;  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20%20%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI   S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Sir, there is no question of that &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I will give you a chance then.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230;  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Under what rule do you want to intervene?\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230;  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0921\u0949.  \u0930\u0918\u0941\u0935\u0902\u0936 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0926   \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0939\u092e  \u092f\u0939\u093e\u0902 \u092c\u0948\u0920\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u0905\u0917\u0930  \u0915\u094b\u0908  \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f  \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947  \u090a\u092a\u0930 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0906\u0930\u094b\u092a  \u0932\u0917\u093e\u090f, \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u093e   \u0928\u093e\u092e \u0932\u0947, \u0924\u094b \u0915\u092f\u093e \u0939\u092e \u092c\u0948\u0920\u0947  \u0930\u0939\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947? \u0928\u093f\u092f\u092e\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u0940 \u0915\u093f\u0924\u093e\u092c \u0926\u0947\u0916  \u0932\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f, \u0909\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902  \u0932\u093f\u0916\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u092a\u0930\u094d\u0938\u0928\u0932  \u090f\u0915\u0938\u092a\u094d\u0932\u0947\u0928\u0947\u0936\u0928  \u0926\u0947  \u0938\u0915\u0947\u0917\u093e\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Sir, you could  consult everybody. I have the inalienable right to offer my personal clarification  &#8230; (Interruptions)I have the right to offer a personal clarification &#8230;  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: All right. You have the  right to clarify your point. But I will give you a chance after he finishes  his submission.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Sir, the only problem is that he is making some points now and later on &#8230; (Interruptions) if I clarify the points &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0940\u0935  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093e\u092a \u0930\u0942\u0921\u0940 \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f   \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u092a\u0930 \u0906\u0930\u094b\u092a  \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0932\u0917\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u091c\u094b  \u0938\u0924\u094d\u092f  \u0939\u0948 \u0935\u0939 \u092c\u0924\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; (\u00b4\u00aa\u00c9\u00b4\u00c9v\u00c9\u00c9x\u00c9)&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You speak after he completes.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Sir, my clarification at that stage may be slightly out of place. Therefore, I need to clarify now so that the hon. Member can also be enlightened &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You can speak after he completes.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Shri Rudy, you may continue.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940  \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0940\u0935 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093e\u092a \u0930\u0942\u0921\u0940 : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u0924\u093f  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092a\u0942\u0930\u0947 \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u094b \u092c\u095c\u093e  \u0915\u0937\u094d\u091f \u0939\u094b \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u092f\u094b\u0902\u0915\u093f  \u0907\u0938 \u0935\u093f\u0937\u092f \u0915\u094b \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u0941\u091b \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u0940\u091a \u0909\u0920\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u092f\u0939 \u0935\u093f\u0937\u092f  \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940\u092e\u0924\u0940  \u0930\u094b\u092e\u093f\u0932\u093e \u0925\u093e\u092a\u0930 \u0914\u0930 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 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\u0939\u0948, \u092e\u0948\u0902  \u092c\u0924\u093e\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e  \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940\u092f  \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u093e \u090f\u0915 \u0939\u0940 \u090f\u091c\u0947\u0902\u0921\u093e  \u0939\u0948 \u0930\u093e\u0937\u094d\u091f\u094d\u0930\u0939\u093f\u0924\u0964  \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0905\u0932\u093e\u0935\u093e  \u0914\u0930 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u090f\u091c\u0947\u0902\u0921\u093e  \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p>     Sir, Shri Jaipal Reddy has said that the air belongs to all of us. He  quoted Pandit Nehru forgetting what Shri Gill had written in his book `The  Dynasty&#8221;. He has quoted the judgement of the Supreme Court while forgetting  the activities which took place right under his nose in his Ministry then.  He had said that his job as a Minister was to become jobless in the Ministry  to make the Prasar Bharati strong. 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Somehow my name has gone down very low in the list as it has happened with Prasar Bharati.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: You have already spoken for 25 minutes.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RAJIV%20PRATAP%20RUDY%20\">SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY <\/a>: But, Sir, there are many important  points left with me. I will try to conclude early.\n<\/p>\n<p>  \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f,  \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924\u094b\u0902  \u0938\u0947 \u0938\u0939\u092e\u0924 \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0930 \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0917\u0920\u0928 \u0907\u0924\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093f   \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0938\u093e\u0930\u0947  \u092e\u0941\u0926\u094d\u0926\u094b\u0902 \u092a\u0930 \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947  \u091a\u0930\u094d\u091a\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964  \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0930\u0915\u093e\u0930   \u0915\u0940 \u0928\u0940\u092f\u0924 \u0938\u093e\u092b \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0940  \u0938\u0930\u0915\u093e\u0930 \u0907\u0938 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u094b \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0915\u0930   \u091a\u0932\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0906\u091c \u091c\u093f\u0938 \u0924\u0930\u0939 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JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Mr. Chairman, Sir, Shri  Rudy made specific references to some of the steps I took. Therefore, I am  entitled to offer personal clarification.\n<\/p>\n<p> BJP, perhaps like the Nazis, believe in repeating  a big lie ten times so that it can pass for truth. I stated here, in the course of my presentation, that I notified the Act as early as the 22nd July, 1997. The Act came into irreversible operation as early as the 15th September. I wrote to the Vice-President of India on the 30th October. It should not be confused with 17th November.\n<\/p>\n<p> The process of selection was initiated from the 30th October with the Vice-President as the Chairperson. Selections were made available to the Government on the 19th of November. The Government had no role to play in it. The Minister is a noted lawyer. As per Subsection (4), Section 4 of the Act, selections made by the Selections Committee are final and binding. Therefore, Shri Rudy is only a party to the process of spreading this Goebbelsesian lie.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RAJIV%20PRATAP%20RUDY%20\">SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY <\/a>: This requires explanation.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Giving explanations and counter-explanations  is not allowed. Shri Rudy, please take your seat.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RAJIV%20PRATAP%20RUDY%20\">SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY <\/a>: Sir, this matter is the property of the House now. These are facts. There are documents substantiating  what I have said. In spite of that when such statements are made in the House,  they should be withdrawn.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, he has said that I am just trying to be  a part of the bigger lie game. I do not agree with this. Sir, I think, he  should withdraw these words.\n<\/p>\n<p> Yes, it is an accepted fact that we are here  in the Ruling party. We appreciate the mistakes committed by him and that  can be condoned. We will find ways to solve it. But then, he should accept  it.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. 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CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Next speaker is Dr. Beatrix  D&#8221;Souza.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20HANNAN%20MOLLAH%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=ULUBERIA\">ULUBERIA<\/a>): The time  of the sitting has to be extended, Sir.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: The time allotted for this discussion was two hours. It is already over. With the consent of the House, we extend the time. How much time is required to complete this discussion?  The hon. Speaker has said that today we have to complete it.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u092d\u0941\u0928\u093e\u0925  \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 (\u092e\u0939\u093e\u0930\u093e\u091c\u0917\u0902\u091c,  \u092c\u093f\u0939\u093e\u0930) : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f   \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0932 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u091c\u093e\u0930\u0940  \u0930\u0916\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The hon. Speaker has said that today itself we should  complete the discussion on this subject. It was agreed also that this discussion   would be completed today. It is for the House to decide how much time it  wants. I think one hour is sufficient.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0915\u0941\u0902\u0935\u0930  \u0905\u0916\u093f\u0932\u0947\u0936 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939   (\u092e\u0939\u093e\u0930\u093e\u091c\u0917\u0902\u091c,  \u0909.\u092a\u094d\u0930.) : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u0906\u091c \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u090f\u0921\u091c\u0930\u094d\u0928  \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f \u0914\u0930 \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0932 \u091c\u093e\u0930\u0940  \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u092d\u0941\u0928\u093e\u0925  \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 : \u0906\u091c \u0938\u093e\u095d\u0947 \u091b:  \u092c\u091c\u0947 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u091a\u093e\u0908  \u0935\u093f\u092d\u093e\u0917 \u0915\u0940  \u092e\u0939\u0924\u094d\u0935\u092a\u0942\u0930\u094d\u0923  \u092e\u0940\u091f\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0939\u0948,  \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0932 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f  \u0915\u093e\u0902\u091f\u0940\u0928\u094d\u092f\u0942 \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u0939\u092e \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u094b \u092e\u0940\u091f\u093f\u0902\u0917  \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Would the Minister be able to complete  his reply by 6.30 p.m.?\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION  AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DISINVESTMENT  (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): If I get about fifteen to twenty minutes, I will complete  my reply.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;&#8230;(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: There are only two more speakers.  These names have been given by the hon. Speaker. If new names are to be included,  it will become difficult.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20SONTOSH%20MOHAN%20DEV%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SILCHAR\">SILCHAR<\/a>): Who are the  two speakers? From our side, Shri K.P. Singh Deo will have to speak.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Rashid Alvi and Shri K.P. Singh Deo are to speak. But this discussion will have to be completed today itself. In the Business Advisory Committee meeting also a decision was taken that this discussion would be completed today because tomorrow we have to pass three-four Bills.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u092d\u0941\u0928\u093e\u0925 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 : \u091c\u092c \u092c\u093f\u0939\u093e\u0930,  \u092c\u0902\u0917\u093e\u0932 \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0924\u094d\u0924\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0947  \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u091a\u0932\u0947 \u091c\u093e\u092f\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947  \u0924\u094b \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u0915\u093f\u0938  \u092a\u0930 \u091a\u0932\u093e\u092f\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947\u0964  \u0939\u092e \u0938\u092d\u0940 \u0932\u094b\u0917\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u094b \u092e\u0940\u091f\u093f\u0917 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0906\u091c  \u0938\u093e\u095d\u0947 \u091b: \u092c\u091c\u0947  \u092e\u0940\u091f\u093f\u0902\u0917 \u0930\u0916\u0940 \u0917\u0908  \u0939\u0948\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shall we finish it by 6.30 p.m.? I have called upon Dr. Beatrix D&#8221;Souzsa to speak. She is on her legs. From each party at least one Member has spoken, I think.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20%20%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI   RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=HOOGLY\">HOOGLY<\/a>): I have even mentioned in my speech that there is a  second speaker from our Party and therefore I am taking less time.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; There  is another speaker Shri Suresh Kurup. He has to speak from our side. You cannot deny this opportunity to us..(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: You have already consumed much time. I do not think time is transferrable  like that.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230;  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EDR.%20\">&#8220;&gt;DR. <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRIMATI%29%20BEATRIX%20D%27%27SOUZA%20%28NOMINATED\">SHRIMATI) BEATRIX D&#8221;SOUZA (NOMINATED<\/a>): Sir, you have called my name&#8230;(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I think it is agreed that we extend the time up to 6.30 p.m. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Now  Dr. (Shrimati) Beatrix D&#8221;Souza to speak.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EDR.%20\">&#8220;&gt;DR. <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRIMATI%29%20%20BEATRIX%20D%27%27SOUZA%20%28NOMINATED\">SHRIMATI)  BEATRIX D&#8221;SOUZA (NOMINATED<\/a>): Mr. Chairman, Sir, at the outset, I would like  to state that Shri Jaipal Reddy has made a powerful plea for autonomy. I believe that autonomy is desirable when there is a possibility of any Government misusing the Governmental machinery. But I would like to make one thing very clear. The Government did not muzzle the media during the Emergency. Also, autonomy leads to credibility.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I also  agree with Shri Jaipal Reddy when he says that eminent people of various disciplines should be appointed to the Expert Committee and not media persons because of professionalism. We do need technical expertise alone. Media people also have their own political loyalties. But I am not going to talk on that subject.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; The enormous  potential of the Doordarshan and the All India Radio as vehicles of social  change has not been sufficiently exploited&#8230;(Interruptions) Nearly, every  home has a television. Transistors are very cheap. But I am talking particularly  about women. Women have been entertained. But they have not been informed  about things that benefit them personally. Even educated women are woefully  ignorant of their legal rights. I believe that the All India Radio and the  Doordarshan could become a channel for the spread of legal literacy among  women. For example, a woman does not know that she cannot be arrested after  6 p.m.; that she cannot stay in the police station after that time. Women  do not know where to report a rape and where to go for reporting sexual harassment.  They also do not know where to go and report about harassment regarding divorce;  how to get consumer protection and services available on the hot-line provided  by the NGOs. These should also be publicised.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I was on the Science and Technology Committee last year. During the scare about adulterated mustard oil, we were shown a very simple device in which the purity of the mustard oil could be tested. But, unfortunately, the general public were not aware of this very simple method and mustard oil was sold. My suggestion to the hon. Minister is to have a one-liner flash news so that people are informed about various important matters. For example, pensioners need to know when pension is being revised. People need to know about when to get ration cards and when to have vaccination etc. Perhaps, the hon. Minister  could enlist the services of film-stars and cricketers. I believe that he  himself is a cricket fan.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Nowadays,  on Doordarshan, sale of washing machines and refrigerators is promoted. After  selling washing machines and refrigerators, they could also tell us something  about issues of social importance. In fact, I would suggest to the hon. Minister  that all advertisements accepted by Doordarshan and All-India Radio should  compulsorily contain a one-liner giving us information. After all, all the  consumer advertisements are aimed at women consumers. Let us get something  which is socially relevant after they take our money. There is also a need  for children&#8221;s programmes. In Britain, they have a very educative programmed  called the &#8220;Sesame Street&#8221; where children are educated while they have been  entertained.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; We should  have some indigenous programme on those lines, so that Doordarshan enters  into the classroom, especially the rural classroom. Then, we also need programmes  for senior citizens. We need programmes to inform senior citizens about health  care etc. and we need programmes for people who stay at home.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, the  hon. Minister became a T.V. personality during the elections and, I am sure,  he knows the power of the visual media. I am very sure that he would take  all my suggestions into consideration.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20K.P.%20%20SINGH%20DEO%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI K.P.  SINGH DEO <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=DHENKANAL\">DHENKANAL<\/a>): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to compliment the Minister for presiding over a Ministry which, in my three decades of experience in Parliament, I thought, I had the privilege to be in-charge of and which is one of the best Ministries, that is, the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting.  The people working in Doordarshan and Akashvani as well as in the Field Publicity  Units, the Song and Drama Division, the Indian Institute of Mass Communication,  the Films Division and the Photo Division have been doing excellent work.  Doordarshan and Akashvani have been the leaders in many fields where advanced  countries like America and Japan were no comparison. The innovative skills  of Doordarshan and All India Radio can be borne out by the fact that many  of them who have had their grounding in Akashvani and Doordarshan are today  occupying very high places in the competitors of Doordarshan, that is, Star  T.V., Zee T.V. and many other satellite television channels.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, I  compliment Shri Jaipal Reddy because he has the courage of conviction and  he has been consistent throughout, whether he has been on this side of the  House or on that side of the House, belying the words of Sir Winston Churchill  who had said:\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8220;Consistency  in politics is the asset of an ass.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; But in  spite of that, he has the courage of conviction and the Congress Party, in  its Election Manifesto in 1991, had committed itself to the functioning of  Doordarshan and All India Radio as autonomous bodies and in competition with  other professional channels.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, the  reach of Akashvani and Doordarshan is unparalleled in the world and it is  all due to the fact that the staff, the engineers and the people who have  been manning these two organisations have brought them to that level. Today,  90 per cent of our country is covered by Doordarshan and 98 per cent of the  country is reached by All India Radio. Today, All India Radio is even thinking  of sky radio, satellite radio and they are still the pioneers in many fields.  Today, Doordarshan is the pioneer even before America in digital compression  video technique where Doordarshan had 17 channels and they had the capacity  of 85 channels. At one time, as an experiment, we were beaming five different  channels to Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab when militancy was at its peak. This could happen only because there was a lot of autonomy amongst the technical  staff. They could compete and they could get the funds required. But if we,  750 Members of Parliament, feel that we are the repository of all wisdom and that we can also be ahead of technology and technological innovations, we will be committing a sad mistake.\n<\/p>\n<p>     Sir, when Shri Jaipal Reddy was there in the Rajya Sabha, he used to be  very active and some of my colleagues, who are sitting on the other side  now, like Shri Pramod Mahajan and Shrimati Sushma Swaraj used to raise the  question of autonomy. At that time, there was an order, a direction from the Chair of Dr. Najma Heptulla that Doordarshan and Akashvani should be freed from the controls of the Government because technology had made irrelevant  any  law or any control or any regulation.\n<\/p>\n<p> In 1990, there was a combined wisdom of this Parliament. It was unanimously  decided at that time that we must have a Prasar Bharati Board which should  be free from Governmental and bureaucratic control. But what it requires is also functional autonomy by the people who are running it.\n<\/p>\n<p> Today, probably 136 satellite channels are beaming into India. If Doordarshan,  Akashvani and Prasar Bharati have to be relevant in Indian conditions and  face the competition as a result of liberalisation, then they should have  professionals. Along with autonomy and professionalism, it requires accountability  and responsibility to Parliament. There are no two opinions about it.\n<\/p>\n<p> I recall that Dr. Manmohan Singh, as the Finance Minister, threatened   that he would not give a single paise to Information and Broadcasting Ministry,  and that Doordarshan and Akashvani must generate its own revenue. Therefore,  Doordarshan and Akashvani were innovative and they were about to get Rs. 1,000 crore. Their operating expenses at that time was Rs. 624 crore. I am talking about five years back. At that time, their income was Rs. 500 crore. But when this move was made and today when they were about to be self-sufficient,  then we found the upheavals of the Prasar Bharati Board running into trouble  with the Government and with various other things. So, I would like to pose  a question to hon. Minister. I feel that he has an open mind. The Prasar Bharati Board should be strengthened rather than be weakened. It should be strengthened by the professional people. In fact, we have been following a pattern here that some one who is an expert in health, does not become the Health Minister; some one who is an expert in defence, does not become the Defence Minister so that objectivity comes and not subjectivity. In fact, we had one of the finest engineers here who became a Minister of his Department but unfortunately, the Ministry did not function as well because subjectivity went in and objectivity was sacrificied at the alter. Therefore, professionalism and autonomy along with accountability and responsibility to Parliament are important because ours is a Parliamentary democracy.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, without accountability, we will be facing criticisms. Criticisms   are nothing new. When people sit on this side, they have a different point  of view. When they go to the other side, they have a different point of view.  We have been at the receiving end sometimes when we sit there and when we  come to this side, we hear different voices from that side. Therefore, there  will be a crciticism about the credibility of Doordarshan and Akashvani  as  compared to BBC. In fact, there are any number of certificates by international   agencies, where they have praised Doordarshan and Akashvani in the highest  of terms, whether it was sports, whether it was the burning of Charar-e-Sharief,   whether it was the Asian Games or whether it was the live telecast of any  other event. Therefore, such a fine organisation requires the support of the Parliament. Then only, it can function in today&#8221;s technological revolution.\n<\/p>\n<p> We have missed the Industrial Revolution. Let us not miss out the Information  Revolution. For that, we have to give them full autonomy, free from the control  of Parliament, both the Government and bureaucracy but they must be accountable.  After all, ours is a Parliamentary democracy. We are all accountable to the  people. So, this organisation, where the national resource of about Rs. 60,000  crore has been pumped in over the last fifty years, must be accountable to  Parliament, must be responsible to Parliament but they must have full functional  autonomy without any hindrance or without any interference from any politician  or any bureaucrat because we are not experts.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940  \u0930\u093e\u0936\u093f\u0926 \u0905\u0932\u094d\u0935\u0940  (\u0905\u092e\u0930\u094b\u0939\u093e) : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f  \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0936\u0941\u0958\u0917\u0941\u091c\u093e\u0930  \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947  \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0930  \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u092b\u0902\u0915\u0936\u0928 \u092a\u0930 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947  \u0915\u093e \u092e\u094c\u0915\u093e \u092e\u0941\u0939\u0948\u092f\u093e  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href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Kindly conclude now. You were allotted three minutes, I have given you five minutes.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u0936\u093f\u0926  \u0905\u0932\u094d\u0935\u0940 : \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u0935\u0915\u0924  \u0928 \u0932\u0947\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f, \u090f\u0915 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0914\u0930  \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e  \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u091c\u093f\u0924\u0928\u0947 \u092d\u0940  \u092c\u094d\u0930\u093e\u0921\u0915\u093e\u0938\u094d\u093f\u091f\u0902\u0917  \u092e\u0928\u093f\u0938\u094d\u091f\u0930\u094d\u0938  \u0939\u0941\u090f \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0909\u0928\u0915\u0947 \u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u093e \u0926\u093f\u090f \u0917\u090f \u0915\u0928\u094d\u091f\u094d\u0930\u093e\u0921\u093f\u0915\u091f\u094d\u0930\u0940   \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u091f\u092e\u0947\u0902\u091f\u0938 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u091c\u093e\u0928\u093e  \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902,  \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u090f\u0915 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u091c\u0930\u0942\u0930  \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e  \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964  \u092d\u0917\u0935\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u0943\u0937\u094d\u0923 \u0928\u0947 \u0917\u0940\u0924\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u0905\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0930 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948  &#8211; \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f  \u0926\u094b \u0924\u0930\u0940\u0915\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0939\u094b\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u090f\u0915  \u0930\u093e\u091c\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0914\u0930 \u0926\u0942\u0938\u0930\u0940  \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u092d\u0917\u0935\u093e\u0928  \u0915\u0943\u0937\u094d\u0923 \u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u093e \u0925\u093e, \u091c\u092c \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f  \u0930\u093e\u091c\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0915\u0940 \u091c\u093e\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948,  \u0924\u094b \u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0920\u093e \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e  \u0905\u0930\u094d\u0925 \u0916\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u091c\u092c \u0928\u093f\u0937\u094d\u0920\u093e  \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u0905\u0930\u094d\u0925 \u0916\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0924\u094b \u0938\u091a\u094d\u091a\u093e\u0908  \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u092e\u0924\u0932\u092c  \u0916\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u091c\u092c \u0938\u091a\u094d\u091a\u093e\u0908  \u0905\u092a\u0928\u093e \u092e\u0924\u0932\u092c  \u0916\u094b \u0926\u0947\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948,  \u0924\u094b \u0938\u093f\u0930\u094d\u092b \u091d\u0942\u0920  \u0915\u093e \u0930\u093e\u091c \u0939\u094b\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947  \u0905\u0932\u093e\u0935\u093e \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u0914\u0930  \u0915\u093e \u0930\u093e\u091c  \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u094b\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u092f\u0947  \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u091c\u0947\u091f\u0932\u0940 \u091c\u0940 \u0938\u0947 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e   \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0901 \u0915\u093f \u0930\u093e\u091c\u0928\u0940\u0924\u093f  \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u0947  \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902, \u0930\u093e\u091c\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u092f\u0947  \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u092e\u0948\u0902  \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e \u0915\u093f \u090f\u0915 \u0915\u093e\u092e\u094d\u092a\u094d\u0930\u093f\u0939\u0948\u0902\u0938\u093f\u0935  \u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0932\u093e\u0928\u093e   \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f, \u0924\u093e\u0915\u093f  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0930 \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0928 \u0938\u093f\u0930\u094d\u092b \u0907\u0928\u094d\u093f\u0921\u092a\u0947\u0902\u0921\u0947\u0902\u091f\u0932\u0940  \u0915\u093e\u092e  \u0915\u0930\u0947, \u092c\u0932\u094d\u093f\u0915  \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u094b \u0928\u091c\u0930 \u0906\u090f \u0915\u093f \u0935\u0939 \u0907\u0902\u0921\u093f\u092a\u0947\u0902\u0921\u0947\u0902\u091f\u0932\u0940  \u0915\u093e\u092e  \u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u0939\u0948 \u0924\u0925\u093e \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947  \u0905\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0930 \u0924\u092e\u093e\u092e \u0924\u0939\u091c\u0940\u092c  \u0914\u0930 \u0924\u092e\u0926\u094d\u0926\u0941\u0926 \u0915\u0935\u0930   \u0915\u0930\u0928\u0947 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20T.T.V.%20DHINAKARAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI T.T.V. DHINAKARAN <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PERIYAKULAM\">PERIYAKULAM<\/a>): Hon. Deputy-Speaker,  Sir, thank you for giving me an opportunity to participate in this debate.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Advertisements is the basic resource on which the  television channels survive. But certain television channels have monopolised  on the advertisements over the years to the disadvantage of other channels.   Therefore, I request the hon. Minister to take necessary steps to bring a  legislation on the lines of Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices Act,  1969 for the prevalence of the healthy trend in television industry. Thank  you, Sir.\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0927\u0930\u094d\u092e  \u0930\u093e\u091c \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939  \u092a\u091f\u0947\u0932 (\u092b\u0942\u0932\u092a\u0941\u0930) : \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f,  \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0932\u094b\u0915\u0938\u092d\u093e   \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0940  \u092c\u093e\u0930 \u091a\u0941\u0928\u0915\u0930  \u0906\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0938\u093e\u0930  \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940 \u0915\u0947  \u0915\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f\u0915\u0930\u0923  \u0915\u0947 \u0935\u093f\u0937\u092f \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u0927\u093e\u0930\u0923\u093e  \u0938\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u092e\u0928\u0947  \u0930\u0916\u0928\u093e  \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e  \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964&#8221;&gt; <\/p>\n<p> &#8220;&gt; \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f,  \u0906\u092a\u093e\u0924\u0915\u093e\u0932 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092e\u0947\u0902  \u0938\u0902\u0938\u0926  \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u094b \u092d\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092f \u0939\u094b\u0924\u0940  \u0930\u0939\u0940 \u092f\u093e \u0905\u0916\u092c\u093e\u0930\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u092e  \u0938\u0947  \u0939\u092e \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0924\u0947  \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0915\u093f \u0906\u0915\u093e\u0936\u0935\u093e\u0923\u0940  \u0914\u0930 \u0926\u0942\u0930\u0926\u0930\u094d\u0936\u0928  \u092a\u0930 \u0915\u093e\u0902\u0917\u094d\u0930\u0947\u0938  \u0915\u093e \u0928\u093f\u092f\u0928\u094d\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0923 \u0939\u0948\u0964  \u0907\u0938\u0940 \u0924\u0930\u0939 \u0938\u0947  \u0938\u0902\u092f\u0941\u0915\u0924 \u092e\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091a\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0930\u0915\u093e\u0930   \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940\u092f  \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940  \u0914\u0930 \u0938\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u0926\u0932\u094b\u0902 \u0928\u0947 \u0932\u095c\u093e\u0908 \u0932\u095c\u0940  \u0925\u0940 \u0915\u093f \u0926\u0942\u0930\u0926\u0930\u094d\u0936\u0928  \u0914\u0930 \u0906\u0915\u093e\u0936\u0935\u093e\u0923\u0940  \u0915\u094b \u0938\u094d\u0935\u0924\u0928\u094d\u0924\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e  \u091c\u093e\u090f\u0917\u093e\u0964  \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940  \u0924\u0930\u0939 \u0938\u0947 \u0906\u092a\u093e\u0924\u0915\u093e\u0932  \u0916\u0924\u094d\u092e \u0939\u0941\u0906, \u0915\u093e\u0902\u0917\u094d\u0930\u0947\u0938 \u0915\u093e \u0930\u093e\u091c \u0916\u0924\u094d\u092e \u0939\u0941\u0906  \u0914\u0930 \u0938\u0902\u092f\u0941\u0915\u0924  \u092e\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091a\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0930\u0915\u093e\u0930  \u0906\u0908, \u0924\u094b \u0928\u0936\u094d\u093f\u091a\u0924 \u0930\u0942\u092a \u0938\u0947  \u0926\u0942\u0930\u0926\u0930\u094d\u0936\u0928  \u0928\u0947 \u0938\u094d\u0935\u0924\u0928\u094d\u0924\u094d\u0930 \u0930\u0942\u092a \u0938\u0947 \u0915\u093e\u092e \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e  \u0914\u0930 \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u0915\u094b \u0909\u0938 \u0935\u093f\u0936\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0938  \u0939\u0941\u0906\u0964 \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0905\u092c \u091c\u092c \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940\u092f  \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u0938\u0930\u0915\u093e\u0930  \u0906 \u0917\u0908 \u0939\u0948, \u0924\u094b  \u0926\u094b \u0938\u093e\u0932 \u0938\u0947 \u0939\u092e \u0932\u0917\u093e\u0924\u093e\u0930  \u0926\u0947\u0916 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u093f &#8220;&gt; <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;TV  &#8220;&gt; \u0914\u0930 \u0930\u0947\u0921\u093f\u092f\u094b  \u092a\u0930 \u091c\u094b \u092d\u0940 \u0935\u093f\u0936\u094d\u0932\u0947\u0937\u0915  \u0906\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0914\u0930  \u0935\u092d\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0928 \u0935\u093f\u0937\u092f\u094b\u0902  \u092a\u0930 \u0935\u093f\u0936\u094d\u0932\u0947\u0937\u0923  \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0935\u0947  \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940\u092f \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e   \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0915  \u0939\u094b\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0915\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u094b \u092c\u0941\u0932\u093e\u0915\u0930   \u0921\u093f\u0938\u0915\u0936\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u093e\u092f\u093e  \u091c\u093e\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 &#8220;&gt; <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;TV  &#8220;&gt; \u0914\u0930  \u0930\u0947\u0921\u093f\u092f\u094b \u092a\u0930 \u0939\u092e \u0938\u0941\u0928\u0924\u0947  \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0909\u0928\u094d\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0935\u0948\u091c\u094d\u091e\u093e\u0928\u093f\u0915\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u094b \u092c\u0941\u0932\u093e\u092f\u093e  \u091c\u093e\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u091c\u094b  \u092d\u093e\u0930\u0924\u0940\u092f \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e  \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0915  \u0939\u094b\u0902 \u092f\u093e \u0915\u093e\u0902\u0917\u094d\u0930\u0947\u0938  \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0915 \u0939\u094b\u0902,  \u0932\u0947\u0915\u093f\u0928 \u0915\u092d\u0940 \u092d\u0940 \u0924\u0940\u0938\u0930\u0940  \u092b\u094b\u0930\u094d\u0938 \u092f\u093e \u0909\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0915\u094b\u0902  \u0915\u094b  \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092c\u0941\u0932\u093e\u092f\u093e  \u091c\u093e\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964&#8221;&gt; 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<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Hon. Member Shri Suresh Kurup to speak. Shri Kurup, your Party was allotted seven minutes. Shri Rup Chand Pal has consumed more time. You have been given a bonus minute.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20SURESH%20KURUP%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=KOTTAYAM\">KOTTAYAM<\/a>): Sir, it is the discretion of the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Respected Chairman, Sir, it has been a long and  painful endeavour to all the right-thinking persons in this country that we should utilise AIR and Doordarshan for stabilising our democratic setup and also for bettering the millions of illiterate poor people of our country.  We are on the threshold of the next millennium and the world has already sunk to a global village. Our electronic media is facing its biggest challenge.  Our skies are already open and various TV channels are competing with each  other.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Now what are the rules of the game here? Credible  and reliable information and also wide variety of entertainment are the new  rules of the broadcasting regime. Here profit-driven and performance-oriented   companies are competing with each other for influencing the mind and heart  of the people.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; In this environment, what should be the role of  our electronic media apart from entertainment in which, of course, they have  to compete successfully with other TV channels? They have a great responsibility   on their shoulders. This is the only medium which can rise to the millions   of illiterate masses of our country because illiteracy is not a bar for hearing  the radio and viewing television.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; The duty of AIR and Doordarshan is to inform, educate  and entertain. My humble submission is that competition with other TV channels  should not be at the cost of public service broadcasting. Already the time  earmarked for public service broadcasting is being reduced. In a country like India, public service broadcasting should not be sacrificed at the altar of commercialisation. The public service broadcasting cannot be led by the  market because, as I pointed out earlier, half of our population is out of the market, beyond the market.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; So, whatever material that you want to reach the  poor farmers to improve the quality of their life can only be through public  service broadcasting. Here lies the main difference between Doordarshan and  other TV channels. It should communicate to each and every citizen of our  country. In this scenario, in what way should AIR and Doordarshan function?  It is already pointed out that it was the dream of Jawaharlal Nehru that AIR should be modelled like BBC, with only broad Government control and wide   autonomy. All these years, we have seen the negation of this idea. It was  during emergency, we witnessed the naked assault on the independence of AIR  and Doordarshan in this country. So, after emergency, the new ruling dispensation  could not back out from the commitment given to the people regarding conferring  of autonomy to AIR and Doordarshan. It was in this atmosphere that B.G. Verghese  Committee was appointed, 20 years have lapsed since that Committee presented  its Report, and everyone knows that none of its recommendations were implemented.  It was a difficult path for AIR and Doordarshan to tread to reach the gates  of autonomy.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; It was a genuine attempt to confer autonomy to AIR and Doordarshan that the Prasar Bharati Act of 1990 was passed. But again,  the country had to wait for another non-Congress Government for conferring  the autonomy to the electronic media. It goes to the credit of my esteemed  colleague, Shri Jaipal Reddy &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20K.P.%20SINGH%20DEO%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=DHENKANAL\">DHENKANAL<\/a>): Then he was a former  Congressman, and now he is a Congressman.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20SURESH%20KURUP%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>: He is always a Congressman at  heart. He was the only Broadcasting Minister in this country who showed the  political will and conviction to confer genuine autonomy to AIR and Doordarshan  by constituting the Prasar Bharati Board and making it autonomous. In any  case, it is a pleasure and pious obligation to salute him.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; As everyone knows, the breath of fresh air that  Shri Jaipal Reddy could infuse into the organisation could not last long.  Again, it has degraded into the level of any ordinary Government department.  This Government&#8221;s policy towards this organisation, and the treatment that  is in store for AIR and Doordarshan became evident when the Government made  Romila Thapar and Rajendra Yadav to retire. Each and every speaker has referred  about it. But what were the criteria used for this retirement? The only criteria  used was that they were voices of dissent, as far as the Government is concerned.  The Government do not want any independent-minded intellectual in this Board.  They want to fill this institution with loyal saffronites. If we take the  Government&#8221;s attitude at its face value that as per the Act, after every  two years two members have to retire, even then there was one vacancy already  existing. That was created because Shri A. Padmanabhaiah had become the Governor. So, the need, if at all there was any need, was only for one member to retire.  This itself shows that the Government&#8221;s argument is spurious. This is part  of a systematic organised attempt by BJP to saffronise all the key areas in the country. Already, textbooks are being rewritten, history books are  trampled with, so also Prasar Bharati.\n<\/p>\n<p>     A new argument is being floated by the Government that the question of  autonomy does not arise now, since Doordarshan is not the only network functioning  in the country. I am surprised to see that a person like Shri Nitish Sengupta  has also mentioned about that argument. This is a very deceiving argument.  Since many other TV channels are already in the country, it is most important  that Doordarshan and AIR should be autonomous.\n<\/p>\n<p> It should be well-managed. Doordarshan may be owned by the Government   but it should not be controlled by the Government on a day to day basis.\n<\/p>\n<p> Sir, the offices of the Doordarshan and All India Radio should not be   subordinate to the Shastri Bhawan only. They should be independent entities.   There are different broadcasting systems in every part of the world which  are owned and controlled by the Government, but those Governments broadly   direct the organisations. 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CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Kindly speak on the subject  under discussion. 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CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The time allotted or this discussion does not permit  more time to Members. This is the time allotted by the Business Advisory  Committee.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20PAWAN%20KUMAR%20BANSAL%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL <\/a>: Members are making valid suggestions.  Some time should be given to them to speak.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The time is allotted by the Business Advisory Committee.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20PAWAN%20KUMAR%20BANSAL%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL <\/a>: We do allocate time in the Business Advisory   Committee that way but always more time is given to the Members to speak.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Okay, let them consume more time.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Sir, I would like to express my displeasure  at the way the BJP Members are being treated. It is most unfortunate that  a party with 182 Members has got only one Member to speak on its behalf.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You have your Minister sitting here.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Does it mean that we do not need to come  to the House at all? &#8230;(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: They might be very magnanimous &#8230;(Interruptions)&#8230;Does  it apply for only the Ministers? If so, then there is no need of us coming  to this House at all. We have not come here just to raise our hands.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: The time allotted for your party has already been  exhausted by your Member.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Sir, speaking in this House is in itself  an incentive. We go to the Library and prepare the subject for hours together,  and after that when we come here to speak, you say that there is no time for the Ruling party Members&#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The hon. Minister of Parliamentary Affairs, Shri Pramod Mahajan has given it in writing that `if only the time permits, you allow more Members to speak&#8221;.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Sir, you are controlling the House here.  The Chair is controlling this House. That is the point, I just want to make.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: In the morning at 10 o&#8221; clock, you have different  views.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Because we belong to the Ruling party, you  cannot be so partial to us. Three Members from the Congress party have already   spoken on this subject. You tell us. Just to speak in this House, we will  have to become Ministers, then only, you will allow us to speak! I express  my deepest displeasure.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I could give you any time you want because I do not  have any other work here on the Chair. But a decision had been taken in the  BAC.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: It would have been better just to have been  elected as a Member of a single-Member party so that on every subject, I could have spoken. 182-Members party will get the same time as one-Member party or two-Member party gets! What is this, Sir?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please allow Shri Kanungo to speak.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20TRILOCHAN%20KANUNGO%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI TRILOCHAN KANUNGO <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=JAGATSINGHPUR\">JAGATSINGHPUR<\/a>): Mr. Chairman, Sir,  I had thought that perhaps I would be the last speaker. But I am not the last speaker, and my words are also not the last words.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, I have been keeping in high esteem, hon. Shri Jaipal Reddy,  even when I was not here in this House. My respect for him has also not gone  down. I have heard him here and outside also with rapt attention. I have  also heard different voices. I thought to express myself to give my free voice, to give my opinion of conscience because I do not want to put on a different face.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, the electronic media of today and that of five to ten years before are altogether different. They have gone a sea change. During  1974-75, when T.V. was not known all over the country, the radio was only the known, the All India Radio was known as `All Indira Radio&#8221;. At that time, I was a Member of the Orissa Legislative Assembly from the Congress party.  During that time, even people in rural places were telling that `it is All  Indira Radio&#8221;, what happened after the 1977 Elections? Everybody knows. My  point is very simple. There was monopoly of the electronic media, and therefore,  everybody was telling that it should be given autonomy.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Sir, I put before this august House. I appeal to the conscience  of the hon. Jaipal Reddy. Is he really interested in the credibility of Doordarshan  and electronic media? Is he really interested to have perfect accountability  of the electronic media, the Prasar Bharati Board or Doordarshan, whatever  the case may be? If he wants it, then my humble submission is that, when free channels and private channels are available, why don&#8221;t we leave it under the control of the Government totally? This way, the credibility part, the accountability part will get scrutinised because they would be under scrutiny every moment, not only by this House alone but also by hundred of crores of people of our country.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Therefore, my point is that in the changing scenario, when   there are so many free channels, let it be compared accountability-wise, quality-wise  and character-wise. Thereby, the character, credibility and accountability  of the Government will be subject to scrutiny every moment not only here but also outside.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I want to express my opinion that it should be left in the hands of the Government so that the Government&#8221;s character, quality, calibre,  credibility and accountability would be subject to scrutiny at every moment  not only by this House, but by the whole of India, instead of granting full  autonomy to audio-visual media, i.e A.I.R. and Doordarshan.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Now Shri Kharabela Swain will speak.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20KHARABELA%20SWAIN%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: Are you giving me two minutes? In that  case, I do not want to speak.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN\">&#8220;&gt;MR. 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CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Now the hon. Minister will reply.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: The hon. Minister can reply tomorrow because  the House is not full.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3EMR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">&#8220;&gt;MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: The hon. Minister has to finish it today. That is  the decision taken.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%22%3ESHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">&#8220;&gt;SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: I will go by the decision of the Chair.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; 19.00 hrs <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING  AND MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DISINVESTMENT (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY):  Mr. Chairman, Sir, this discussion under rule 193 is with regard to the functioning  of Prasar Bharati.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; Certainly, with regard to the functioning of the Prasar Bharati  and the conceptualization of its future that we have, this House and its  hon.  Members would have a lot to say because Prasar Bharati, Doordarshan  and All  India Radio are still struggling to define their identity in an environment  where there are a large number of private channels. Some Members did refer  and I must compliment Shri Suresh Kurup for having referred to the concept in which Prasar Bharati could be developed. But I deeply regret to say that a discussion on Prasar Bharati need not have been confined primarily to two  individuals or to the attitudes of individuals who head the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I must confess that I have the deepest personal regard for Shri Jaipal Reddy, who initiated the discussion. He was also fair enough to say that during the last few weeks that I have been associated with the  Department he had no instance to cite any intervention by me. However, he made two crucial points. One was with regard to the retirement of two members and the other was that he thought that I, holding the current charge of this  Ministry, am a bit too slippery.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I, today, realized why he has been awarded the honour of the   `Outstanding Parliamentarian&#8221;. He anticipated what could have been said about  the manner in which things have taken place in the past. I may remind him  through you, Sir, that both of us were together in opposing the Emergency,   both of us used to speak in the same voice on the Bofors case. I remain where  I am and he slipped into the Congress; and today it was not merely slippery  but I could see the point of distinction between what Shri K.P. Singhdeo said, what Dr. Girija Vyas said and what, belonging to the same Party, Shri Jaipal Reddy had to say. They were making suggestions with regard to the functioning of the Prasar Bharati but Shri Jaipal Reddy still wanted to defend what happened in November, 1997.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I do not what to go into specific dates as to what happened  when. The mindset was Janata Dal; the defence was of the then members clearly   identified with political ideologies coming into the Board; and then, the  argument being made now, `My Government was on its last leg.&#8221; I do not want  to quibble on the dates. The Jain Commission Report had been submitted to  the Government. As a Minister of the Cabinet, the Government was aware of  what the Jain Commission had said. The Congress Party was making the United  Front Government shaky. There was a race whether the Ministry of Information  and Broadcasting appoints the Board first or whether Shri Sitaram Kesari succeeds in withdrawing the support first. &#8230; (Interruptions) The Ministry facilitates the appointment of the Board.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; My friend, Shri Rudy gave some dates. I do not want to get into those dates once again. But every statement with regard to withdrawal of support from the then Government by Shri Kesari, his first warning and his second ultimatum were timed with the appointment of the Board and what Board did they appoint?\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt; I must confess that I have personally nothing against the members   including the members who have retired. They may be very eminent in their  own fields. But when you speak of plurality, did you consider that there  was any other political opinion in this country other than the political opinion with which those persons were identified? The Chairman was a person, ostensibly a very honourable man, who had very strong left leanings. The CEO was was  very critical of the BJP; he was more critical of the Congress. He was close  to the so-called `Third Front&#8221;.\n<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&gt;The two members who have retired may be people of excellence  in their own fields, but who can deny that they have leanings to a political   ideology. I have always asked myself this question: If you speak of political   plurality, it must be reflected in the programmes, in the current affairs   programmes. Did it not ever strike you that people who could have inclinations  to some other ideology should also come on the Board? Please do not have double standards on the issue of autonomy; there is no principle in Indian  politics, that only the people with Left ideology will represent autonomy and everything else is destructive of autonomy. That is the principle of double standards which you have been moving with.\n<\/p>\n<p>    SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Will you yield for a minute please?\n<\/p>\n<p> First of all, the appointments cannot be made by the I&amp;B Ministry  and were not made by the I&amp;B Ministry. Selections are made by the Selection   Committee. For example, the Chairman of the Press Council is appointed by  an independent Selection Committee. Why are you giving credit to me which   I do not deserve?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: I am glad that Mr. Jaipal Reddy is saying this. Therefore,   it was obligatory on the then Ministry &#8211; on the midnight of 20th November  when he realised that the Chief Executive Officer-designate had passed the   commercial interests with Doordarshan &#8211; to have disqualified him from being   appointed because he could have been disqualified from continuing and also  to have informed the Selection Committee once again that they have erroneously   appointed a man who is disqualified from being appointed in the first instance.  But he had already anticipated that appointment and amended the law by an  Ordinance and the amendment which he brought about was this.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: When did I amend the law?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Well, you must have had the person in mind, when you   amended the law. &#8230; (Interruptions) I will give clarifications when you  seek them later.\n<\/p>\n<p> I know that some facts are very uncomfortable because there is no presumption.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Some facts can be twisted by clever lawyers! <\/p>\n<p>SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Well, you have said about slippery today, but today  it was not an act of being slippery, today it was an acrobatic act by which,   sitting in the Congress benches, he is defending what the Congress had outrightly   condemned. Let me just read out to him what the Congress had to say about   what he did in November 1997. A Member of this House belonging to the Congress  Party, Mr. Mani Shankar Aiyar had to say this in November 1997 about what  the then United Front Government did and about what he did. He refers to  this and I will read out only one sentence because some of the other sentences   perhaps are little more aggressive. He says:\n<\/p>\n<p> &#8220;The selection represents cronyism at its worst.&#8221;\n<\/p>\n<p> This is what a Member of his present party had to say about what he did  in November 1997. He wanted to give autonomy to the Board. I am, per se not  against the concept of autonomy. But please do not re-position me in order  to defend something that he did, which is indefensible. He wanted to give  autonomy to a person who was politically so committed as the Chief Executive  Officer. Is it desirable? He said that I am going to saffronise. Well, I  have not made any single appointment. The appointments even today will be  made by the same Committee. Why is he anticipating that the same Committee  will make the appointments to the persons of saffron colour? Going by his  own yardstick, if `red&#8221; can be autonomy, why is `saffron&#8221; a threat to autonomy?\n<\/p>\n<p> Please do not have double standards. What you did in November 1997 had  done a great harm to the concept of autonomy and the Prasar Bharati. The  entire asset worth Rs.55,000 crore was placed in the hands of an individual,  and how was that individual appointed? Mr. Reddy makes a strong grievance  of the fact that Mrs. Sushma Swaraj, as the I&amp;B Minister brought forward  an Ordinance to get rid of Mr. Gill. But Mr. Reddy brought an ordnance to  appoint Gill. Has that Ordinance ever became an Act?\n<\/p>\n<p> The Ordinance was passed to repeal certain provisions of the Act. The   Prasar Bharati Act had been passed by both the Houses of Parliament and an  Ordinance was passed when the Congress was on the verge of withdrawing support  and the Government was shaky. The Government knew that there was no possibility of this Ordinance ever becoming an Act.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: The Ordinance was passed on the 29th October.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Yes. The Jain Commission report had been submitted before that date.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: No. You are wrong. Mr. Jaitley, I will table a privilege motion. The Jain Commission report was not even leaked, let alone being submitted.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Well, I am sorry, you are referring to the `leak&#8221;, but I am referring to the `availability&#8221; of the report with the Government.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: No. It was not available.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: As a member of the Government, you certainly were privy  to the knowledge which is much more than a leak. What kind of a person was   appointed? The Selection Committee was not told that a person with commercial   interest in Doordarshan is being appointed as CEO.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: He did not have any commercial interest. I did not  want to defend an individual.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Forget that he was critical of BJP. He was a person  who was a strong campaigner of a particular political view. The entire Rs.   55,000 crore asset, an independent electronic media as you want to define  it, was handed over to this person. May I just read his views? He writes about your present party. He was writing about a person who was no more. Some courtesy could have been shown to him. He writes, &#8220;Rajiv lacked her adroitness and clout; whereas during Indira&#8221;s time, dissidents were controlled through a well directed activity, Rajiv ended it giving out of control.&#8221; &#8230; (Interruptions) Please allow me to complete. Perhaps in your present seat, it may embarrass you. &#8220;But Indiraji was never rude, not even to her worst opponents and refused to indulge in personal invectives, Rajiv had no such qualms. One can take an indulgant view of Rajiv trying to amuse him by his juvenile witticism, but for the fact that every word that Prime Minister utters carries weight or should carry weight, in such a high office it is better to be dull but discreet than smart and flippant&#8221;. &#8230; (Interruptions) Please allow me to complete.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: Since you have referred to the criticism that he voiced,   I would like to make one remark. &#8230; (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Why was a political person appointed as CEO? This is  an explanation that you owe to the country.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: He voiced this criticism in a book as an author of  that book. These were brought to the notice of the Congress Party and the   Congress Party defended Shri S.S. Gill in the Twelfth Lok Sabha in spite  of this. You kindly note this down.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Well, a senior Member of the Congress Party had said  that it represents political cronyism at its worst.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: In the Twelfth Lok Sabha, when I was not the member  of the Congress Party, the Congress Party defended the appointment of Shri   S.S. Gill and opposed your Ordinance.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: I am glad that you have pointed out this to me. Then  you use the adjective `slippery&#8221; for them and not for me.\n<\/p>\n<p> He further says, &#8220;Rajiv had scant regard for established Parliamentary   conventions&#8221;. You have appointed a person who is out and out political. You  have appointed him as CEO who will run the electronic media of this country  for the next six years. Therefore, I wish to merely submit that the problem  with the Prasar Bharati is far more than a problem relating to one individual  being appointed or two individuals being removed. A question was raised as to why two members were removed. That is the mandate of the law. Section 6(v)  of the Prasar Bharati Act is very clear. It says that each member will have a term of six years, but it would be a rotational membeship like in Rajya  Sabha where one-third of members will retire every two years. The Government  will have the power to retire two members after every two years and two members  after four years and the rest may continue for the full term. It is not the  discretion of the Government. Therefore, from the next round onwards, the  rotational system will come into play. The Government  had no discretion in  the matter but to retire two members. How do the Government  exercise this  discretion? There is a serious difference of opinion. One view was that you  can do it by draw of lots. That is a view which Shri Jaipal  Reddy publicly  supported. With a minor legal background, I feel, that it  is untenable in law because when you put people in governance of Prasar Bharati,  those with  a larger ability to contribute can continue more, then there has to be a criteria for the continuation. The basis for that continuation cannot be that one who is lucky will get a longer term.\n<\/p>\n<p>It is not that he will continue though there are others who may be better   qualified than him. Courts have always frowned upon draw of lots, chance  or luck as an instrumentality of administrative decision making. We, therefore,   went to the Attorney General and said that this was the circular. Should  it be by draw of lots? The Attorney General was kind enough to record his   opinion that this is the procedure which has been frowned by the courts all  over the world. There has to be some criteria and this particular criteria   should be followed. We have not, after following that criteria, appointed   anybody. It is the same honourable selection panel which will appoint the   people. There is no question of people of one ideology or the other being   appointed. It is the same system which will be followed. The legality of  our action has also been tested in courts. The consequences are known and,   therefore, to say that it is ultra virus, unconstitutional or we have done  it for political reasons, is not meant to be a stigma in any way about those  who have retired. We have applied the criteria and unfortunately the two  had to go and, therefore, two went. Therefore, whatever criteria we would  have  applied, instead of Shri Yadav, Shri Vergheese would have retired first.  Shri Jaipal Reddy would have then said that Shri Vergheese is a man behind   the idea of Prasar Bharati. He is associated with this idea since 1977. He  should have been given the longest term. Why has the Government retired him  first? Any argument could have been raised in relation to these retirements.\n<\/p>\n<p> But, as I said earlier, Sir, today the issue is what is the functioning  of Prasar Bharati going to be. Shri Pal was kind enough to say that I speak  in two voices. Different people speak in different voices. It is very easy  to make these allegations. But it is difficult when the same allegations are made back. Could I then say, that people in his Party also speak in the same voices? Is there no institution in West Bengal where the appointments have been made where people of a political colour go in? Sir, they want autonomy  for electronic media in Delhi.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=HOOGLY\">HOOGLY<\/a>): That means the Minister is agreeing that he  speaks in two voices.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Well, that is your presumption, that is a hope and I would not oblige you with that.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: You are taking the other example to corroborate your   position.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Well, I will explain the position, Sir. The West Bengal   Government want to run a State-I Channel. So, in West Bengal there must be a State-run Channel and in Delhi there must be autonomy for electronic media. I do not know, Sir, who speaks in two voices.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: Sir, the problem is that the Central Government is   confusing it with the State Government.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: If there is to be an autonomy then autonomy will not   recognise the State boundaries within this country. It is an argument which   has to prevail all through.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: The State Government wanted a Bengali Channel and not a State Channel.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20ARUN%20JAITLEY\">SHRI ARUN JAITLEY<\/a>: Sir, Shri Pal has been kind enough to state that. The   Prasar Bharati I am given to understand, and this was a suggestion which  was made by some of the hon. Members, is today effectively contemplating  and  putting into action channels in at least five regional languages in the next  few months which will be available in five different States. There will be  Satellite Channels running 24 hours. I am given to understand that one of  their contemplations is also for a Bengali Channel. That perhaps may then  satisfy the need of the State Government also.\n<\/p>\n<p> The real issue before Prasar Bharati, Sir, is, with the air becoming public, available to private parties, it has been mentioned that there has been competition. Obviously, when there is a freedom of choice, the viewers will switch over from one channel to another. The figures today are, there are 69 million TV homes in this country. Of 69 million TV homes in this country, 29.4 million homes have a freedom of choice because they also have a cable and satellite channel. In States where the powerful private regional channels have come up and are very popular, the dip in both the revenue and the viewership of Prasar Bharati is more significant. What, therefore, has to be done to rejuvenate this organisation? What is the role of this organisation going to be?\n<\/p>\n<p>I agree with the hon. Member from CPI(M) who spoke towards the end and  asked and several other hon. Members also said &#8211; can you take BBC as a model?   In the first instances, it can be very difficult to do. But the Act itself   says that this is an Act which is contemplating to give Prasar Bharati &#8211;  Doordarshan and All India Radio &#8211; a status of a public service broadcaster.  Now if it  is to develop as a public service broadcaster &#8211; the hon. Member  was right  when he said that it has terrestrial monopoly and large reach &#8211; people will  have to be entertained. But besides entertainment, it is also  information and education which have to be given. The private channels may  only go for  entertainment because it really brings revenue and that makes  it sustainable. But even today, there is already a gradual shift taking place  as far as projecting  Doordarshan as a public service broadcaster is concerned.\n<\/p>\n<p> It is very easy to say that it only projects the Government in power.   I have seen the News and Current Affairs Channel. There are a series of discussions which take place. There is hardly a discussion which takes place having a representative from one party. Plurality of opinion must be encouraged and it is always there. Today if I give the figures of the one month itself,  on education and cultural activities, the Prime Channel &#8212; DD-1 is to be developed as a public service broadcaster &#8212; has 22 per cent of its programmes on education, and culture and on information, it has 36 per cent programmes. Therefore, even today 58 per cent of DD-1 is moving in the direction of public service broadcaster. Dr. D&#8221;Souza was very right when she said that she is given to understand that they are already contemplating whether messages with a social purpose in regard to people who cannot read and write can be available on such a channel. The entertainment content on this channel has already come down to 42 per cent. But some entertainment will have to be there because entertainment cannot be the prerogative of those who have cable and satellite channels available to them. It is because still there are 60 per cent of the television homes in this country which do not have a cable  connection. Therefore, some entertainment have to be provided as far as they  are concerned. Therefore, my respectful submission would be, with regard to the functioning of Prasar Bharati as of today, there is an enactment. The  enactment is the law. By Ordinances, efforts have been made to repeal some  parts of the Act. But those Ordinances never had the approval of this House.  People have pointed out several shortcomings in the Act. But then, it is for this House, as and when the opportunity arises, to bring changes as far  as the Act is concerned.\n<\/p>\n<p> Today, our priorities with regard to Prasar Bharati are very clear. We  are concerned in developing it as a public service broadcaster. We want the  quality of its programming to improve. We want it to be a forum which has  credibility because there are a large number of entertainment programmes  and some revenue generation will have to come. The rest is coming as Budgetary   support from the Government. Its revenue generation has to improve. It is   easy to construe professionalism as meaning RSS and professionalism as meaning   saffron. I do not know how such a political construction is even imaginable.   But today a reference was made to the election telecast. On an election programme each day in the News Bulletin, if party `A&#8221; was shown, leader of party `B&#8221; was also shown. In the current affairs programme, there was a plurality of opinion. But the difficulty was that the post-election telecast, Prasar Bharati telecast had the largest viewership in the country. It is several times over and above private channels. But the revenue generation was only a small percentage of what the private channels did. Therefore, if you are running an electronic media channel, you have current affairs programmes, and you have entertainment programmes. There is not a single system in the country in the Prasar Bharati even radio or television which has the ability to market programmes so as to be able to generate revenue. As a result of which it is the taxpayers money which is used to give budgetary support to Prasar Bharati.\n<\/p>\n<p> Therefore, in the face of competition should various professional departments  in Prasar Bharati be set up in relation to what is the quality of entertainment  and how the current affairs programmes are to be packaged and marketed ? Most of all, the Government is committed that in order to develop credibility,  the programmes of Prasar Bharati, particularly the news and current affairs  programmes must be on a non-partisan basis. It cannot be used to propagate  only one view because that would go contrary to the spirit of a liberal democracy  or that would go contrary to even political pluralism which is a part of our system. Therefore, in order to consider how the structures of Prasar Bharati can be professionalised, it need not&#8211;my friend was right &#8211;operate only as a commercial organisation.\n<\/p>\n<p> In public service broadcasting, commerce would take a back seat. But in entertainment and some other programmes, commercial realisation will have   to be there; otherwise it is the taxpayer who is burdened. Public service   broadcasting has to be done not with the idea of yielding monetary returns,   but with the idea of educating and informing, as he has rightly mentioned.  How is the structure of the organisation to be professionalised? Is the entire  resource being fully utilised or not? We have, therefore, appointed three  of the best available professionals to go into these questions.\n<\/p>\n<p> A question was raised as to how long it will take. We have, in the first  instance, given them a period of about three months to complete their study.  I am given to understand that they are already working on the terms of reference  which have been assigned to them. It is our endeavour to make sure that Prasar  Bharati exists not merely as a competitor or as a clone of private channel,  but as a public service broadcaster with a distinct identity of its own.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: I want to ask a small clarification. The Minister has admitted that two members from the Board were removed.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20S.%20JAIPAL%20REDDY%20\">SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY <\/a>: We are not satisfied with the answer given by the   Minister in regard to retirement of members and in regard to non-filling  of vacancies. We, therefore, stage a walk out.\n<\/p>\n<p>    1927 hours    <\/p>\n<p> (At this stage, Shri S. Jaipal Reddy and some other <\/p>\n<p> hon. Members left the House.) <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20RUPCHAND%20PAL%20\">SHRI RUPCHAND PAL <\/a>: The Minister has admitted that they were removed because   ideologically they were opposed to them. The Minister has not replied to  our valid queries about the removal.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: The House stands adjourned to meet on Wednesday, 22nd December,  1999 at 11 a.m. <\/p>\n<p>19.28 hours <\/p>\n<p> The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock on <\/p>\n<p> Wednesday, December 22, 1999\/Pausa 1, 1921 (Saka).\n<\/p>\n<p> _______<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lok Sabha Debates Discussion Regarding Functioning Of Prasar Bharati. on 21 December, 1999 Title: Discussion regarding functioning of Prasar Bharati. 16.05 hrs. MR. SPEAKER: Now, we will take up the discussion under Rule 193. I appeal to the hon. Members that we have to complete this discussion today itself. SHRI S. 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