{"id":270221,"date":"2005-08-25T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2005-08-24T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/further-discussion-on-resolution-regarding-reservation-of-one-third-on-25-august-2005"},"modified":"2017-11-21T18:41:08","modified_gmt":"2017-11-21T13:11:08","slug":"further-discussion-on-resolution-regarding-reservation-of-one-third-on-25-august-2005","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/further-discussion-on-resolution-regarding-reservation-of-one-third-on-25-august-2005","title":{"rendered":"Further Discussion On Resolution Regarding Reservation Of One Third … on 25 August, 2005"},"content":{"rendered":"
Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n
Further Discussion On Resolution Regarding Reservation Of One Third … on 25 August, 2005<\/div>\n

Title : Further discussion on Resolution regarding reservation of one third of seats for women in all the state Legislatures and Parliament moved by Shri C. K. Chandrappan on the 6th May, 2005.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, we will take up Item No.42, the Resolution moved by Shri C.K. Chandrappan. The time allotted was four hours, and we have already taken three hours. The time left with us is only 59 minutes.\n<\/p>\n

Now, I request Prof. Rasa Singh Rawat to continue. He is not present.\n<\/p>\n

Shrimati C.S. Sujatha \u2013 Not present.\n<\/p>\n

Shrimati Tejaswini Seeramesh \u2013 Not present.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI K.S. RAO Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I am very happy to support the Resolution introduced by Shri C.K. Chandrappan. Basically he is from Kerala. Obviously, unlike many in other parts of the country, he is more in support of providing reservation for women. Though I do not belong to Kerala, I very much appreciate this Bill because it is coming in support of reservation for women from a male Member. It is not to gain any political advantage but by conviction, I am of the opinion that we must provide reservation for women as was suggested by him.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The reason is that in the initial days, the role of men is defined as that they are meant for earning livelihood for the family. This is because in those days there was no science and technology. Only physical strength was the criteria. Physical strength was required in those days to go to forest, hunt animals, get food and all that. Similarly physical strength is required to secure the family by fighting with the enemies and all that. Naturally, over a period of time it has become a man-oriented society. Many others have taken advantage and given shape to woman that she is only meant for procreation and to look after the needs of the house only. Certainly, she should not come out of the house and should not be on par with men. This opinion went on for\u00a0\u00a0thousands\u00a0\u00a0 of\u00a0\u00a0 years.\u00a0It\u00a0 has\u00a0 gone\u00a0 into\u00a0 the\u00a0blood\u00a0\u00a0 of\u00a0 the\u00a0people,\u00a0 society and all that. A common impression has set in the society that men are meant for all these external works and women are meant for being in the house only[m27]\u00a0. They are only meant to look after the children, rear the children, and for cooking and doing domestic works. As time passed, and with the improvement in communication, science and technology, there is a lot of change. In my grandfather\u2019s time, no woman used to come out of the house.\u00a0Woman also never used to feel that it is bad. The society also never used to feel that it is bad. Now, an awakening and awareness has come. Communication has gone up. The thoughts of women have changed. Women in those days were not educated. Even a few rich and well-placed families did not allow their girl children to go out, and learn. The teachers used to come to their houses and teach them.\u00a0 That means, they were prevented from going out of the houses. Gradually, changes have occurred.\u00a0 Now, the society has felt the need to educate the women also. They have permitted them.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, it is an accepted fact that if women were to be educated in the houses, the children would have an advantage for having better education, better understanding in the society, and the family will come up very well in the society. So, to an extent, it has been accepted. Now, almost the situation has come that both girls and boys are equal in numbers in the schools, and to our surprise, the performance of girls has found to be much superior than boys in education. In many occasions, it may be because of their concentration in education, and their discipline or determination to prove that they are more capable than men. All these have led to prove their capacity. That means, it has been proved that given an opportunity, a woman can perform much better than a man in any field of life, including fighting. By body constitution, any one of us is prone to think that it is made in a way that the women are weak in their physiques, and the men are more strong and confident.\u00a0 It may be so. With today\u2019s improvement in science and technology \u2013 hon. Minister is also sitting here \u2013 it is not fighting with hands but fighting with weapons. Women have also demonstrated their strength, and have proved that they are much superiors to men, They also learn \u2018Karate\u2019. Today, you cannot distinguish, and say that woman is a weaker sex.\u00a0 She is on par with man.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The other thing is that whether it is technology, strength or any other field, they are proving their superiority. Now, what is lacking is their presence in Legislature and Parliament. We have made reservation for SCs and STs in the Constitution. Our Constitution makers had realized that keeping in view the backwardness – economical, educational and social \u2013 reservations are given to SCs and STs, otherwise they could not compete in open competitions. There must be an opportunity given to them at least for some years so that they will also get their strength, confidence, and everything to compete with the advanced communities. They are given the opportunity.\n<\/p>\n

Now, it is the turn of the women. You cannot say that without giving an opportunity to a woman to come into the Legislature freely, and make her popular in the society to win an election, overnight if you bring her into an election she may be able to win election. It is because she has not become popular in the society.\u00a0Already enough men are there who are very popular.\u00a0 If the contest were between men and women – not in every place – men will take advantage. Naturally, we have to make some reservations by following the same philosophy as we have done for SCs, STs, and for others at least for some years. I do not say that reservation must be for ever, but we must provide her an opportunity to acquire skill, competence, knowledge, courage, conviction, etc. so that she is no less compared to man; even in political life, making legislation, execution, implementation, and judiciary, she must be given opportunities[t28]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On [e29]\u00a0the same analogy as what we have given to the depressed classes, we should give reservation to women as well.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today, women belong to the oppressed classes in the society. The country got Independence in 1947 but not our women. Women have to get independence. Every party says that it is in favour of 33 per cent reservation for women but when <\/p>\n

it comes to brass-tacks nothing is coming out. It is becoming a shame. Whom do the women have to believe? Which party do they have to believe? When it comes to passing the legislation, everybody drags out.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I am of the opinion that there could be a consensus. The discussions could be held outside the Legislature as to the manner in which it could be done. All of them could come to a common understanding over the manner in which we could give them reservation. If there is disagreement between the parties over providing 33 per cent reservation, let them start with some smaller percentage. Today, we have got about eight to ten per cent women in the Legislatures. So, let them start with 20 per cent or 25 per cent and later move to 33 per cent and then to 50 per cent. Women comprise about 50 per cent of the population and they cannot be deprived of seats. It is not our exclusive privilege to deprive them and have seats in Legislatures. I want people like Shri Kapil Sibal, who is an eminent lawyer, to think and come out with alternative methods to bring out a legislation or to bring about an understanding among the various parties so that we could make a beginning instead of prolonging giving reservation forever.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today, if we are talking of providing reservation for women, the credit goes to Shri Rajiv Gandhi. A young man of 40 years, when he became the Prime Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi was always thinking of bringing the youth into the Legislatures in larger numbers. Similarly, he wanted to bring women also to the Legislatures in larger numbers. The encouragement he gave to youth and women is unforgettable. During his tenure, the amendment to the Constitution was taken up whereby women were given 33 per cent reservation in panchayats and municipalities. So, a beginning has been made and it has to be followed now.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Today, Shrimati Sonia Gandhi, the Leader of the UPA is very particular that legislation must be passed during the tenure of this Lok Sabha for providing reservation for women in our Legislatures. She wants that all the parties, with a broader mind and with some understanding of the changing scenario, must come together and find a way to pass this legislation without thinking that there would be reservation for ever. This is just a beginning. We would give reservation now and later, we could do away with it when they are empowered to come on par with men in the Legislatures.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Chandrakant Khaire, please address to the Chair and not to anybody else.\n<\/p>\n

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SHRIMATI C.S. SUJATHA Thank you Mr. Deputy-Speaker. I am participating in this discussion with pain and disappointment. Even after prolonged, protracted and marathon discussions, the issue again stands at square one. Really speaking, it is a matter of shame. Sir, the women of this country are not asking for any special favour. It is their legitimate and democratic right that they are demanding.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A collective wisdom of our nationhood utterly failed in arriving at a consensus and firm decision by virtue of national legislation in this regard till date. Voluminous explanations are being extended by various parties from their own perspectives day by day. The reality is that it is a genuine and legitimate right and privilege which has to be made available to the women of this country who constitute 50 per cent or more of the population. Hence, I am proud of my Party, CPI(M), which from the initial stage onwards and consistently stood and fought for this fundamental requirement of our body politic along with other Left Parties. Still, our desire is to get the original Bill passed. The enactment providing 33 per cent reservation within the existing number is the ideal thing. In the Legislative Assemblies also, the same can be extended within the existing number.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There are arguments that women cannot handle the responsibilities of administration and legislation. But our experience clearly shows that today\u2019s women in the country are quite able to handle any job with efficiency. In the political sphere also they have a proven record. Our experiment of providing 33 per cent reservation for women in the Panchayati Raj institutions turned out to be positive. Women could prove that they are not behind their male counterparts in such matters. A majority of the Panchayati Raj institutions with women at the helm of affairs, are working effectively.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In Kerala the percentage of women in Panchayat Raj institutions is more than 33 per cent. Their role in providing leadership in the developmental projects in the villages are worth mentioning. Women in this field are found to be more effective and acceptable as they are more sensitive to issues related to the local people and the poor.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I myself worked in the capacity of President of District Panchayat of Alappuzha in Kerala for more than eight years. I can proudly claim that no developmental work suffered in the district because of my gender. In fact, my Panchayat was awarded the Best District Panchayat Award in the country considering the overall performance. I cite this here to say that given an opportunity, we women can discharge any responsibility as effectively as our male counterparts.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The debate on the issue of reservation for women is continuing since the emergence of the Bill in the year 1996. It is almost a decade now that we could not reach a consensus on the issue[krr32]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This issue has been subjected to endless discussions, without much purpose. Again, it is a matter that this issue is being discussed in the male-dominated committees and maybe, that is the reason for this issue not getting the needed seriousness. We must show the political will. The women were expecting the introduction of the Bill in this very Session. It is quite disappointing that it has not happened. This, again, cannot go on like this. We must fix a timeframe for passing of the Bill at least in the next Winter Session, in this year itself.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I request the Government to bring a legislation in this regard without any further delay.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Bikram Keshari Deo. Mr. Deo, please be very brief.\n<\/p>\n

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SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO Thank you, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir. This Resolution, which has been moved by Shri C. K. Chandrappan, is a welcome measure. It is a debatable issue.\n<\/p>\n

Today, the population in our country really constitutes nearly 50 per cent of women. If we study the economic indicators for the upliftment of women and for the empowerment of women, then it is quite alarming and quite shocking. Let us take the example of literacy. The illiteracy rate is the highest among women in our country. The health hazards that they have to face are great in number. The infant mortality rate is the highest in the country in Orissa and in the world India is one of the highest.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As regards violation of women\u2019s rights, it is too much in the country. Yesterday, a Bill was also passed with regard to this issue, namely, Protection of Women from Domestic Violence. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please do not disturb the hon. Member. Please keep quiet in the House.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO <\/a>: If we take all these human problems, which are usually relevant to women folks, then it is high time that we started thinking about having more women representation in this august House and in the respective Assemblies. This would allow them to express their problems in a better way, and it could solve the problems to a certain extent. Therefore, it is a welcome measure.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember that in my State of Orissa, the late Shri Biju Patnaik — during his time — initiated empowerment of women in the Panchayati Raj system as per the guidelines in the 73rd Amendment. He, for the first time, gave women reservation in the three-tier Panchayati Raj system, and it has given results. Today, our non-Congress Government — which is functioning in Orissa — has started \u2018Mission Shakti\u2019. A lot of women welfare programmes are going on, and others are on the anvil.\n<\/p>\n

But if you closely scrutinise the Standing Committees\u2019 Reports, the Estimates Committee\u2019s Reports, etc., then you will find that the achievements in the women welfare schemes are abysmal or very low. Therefore, women should come to the august House to fight for their rights. It would allow them to express their feelings, and do some justice to themselves[ak34]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

As you know, everybody is saying that women are being given all facilities for education. But I am sorry to state that in my district, Kalahandi — I have written three or four letters and I do not know whether the hon. Minister of Social Justice Empowerment is aware of it — funds from Balika Samriddi Yojana, which is a small amount of stipend which is given to encourage girl education, have not reached for the last two years. As the Minister is sitting here, I hope she will take note of it.\n<\/p>\n

THE MINISTER OF SOCIAL JUSTICE & EMPOWERMENT\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (SHRIMATI MEIRA KUMAR): I would like to inform the hon. Member that it actually comes under the HRD Ministry.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO <\/a>: I know that it comes under HRD Ministry. Since you are her Cabinet Colleague and you are a woman, kindly convey the sentiments of the House, the sentiments of myself and the sentiments of the people of my district.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, if you see, today ICDS programmes are not all being implemented properly. Posts are lying vacant. Those women who are serving for an honorarium, I must give credit to them that in far-flung areas and in tribal pockets, they are giving honorary service for the betterment of the children of the country. If\u00a0 1\/3 reservation in Parliament and Assemblies could be made for them, it will be good, but it should be done in a phased manner. It is because when we introduced women\u2019s reservation in Orissa, during that time, it was seen that in the first year there were some difficulties. Things started improving afterwards. You will be surprised to see that in Kalahandi district, which is under the KBK programme, where the Mission Plan is being implemented, where self-help groups have been created, they are all successful today. I am hundred per cent sure that when a country could be led by Mrs. Gandhi, who was a woman and who led the country to the best of her capability, when there were ladies like Rani Laxmi Bai of Jhansi, who could revolt against the East India Company, and Rani Durgavati, who led the rebellion throughout the country, why can women not lead this country or why can women not lead from the front?\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Chandrappan will understand that some of the countries in the world, which have given reservations, have done it in a phased manner. So, let us start with a modest beginning of 10 per cent reservation. As the Election Commission said, thirty-three per cent reservation should be given by the parties concerned. Charity should begin from home instead of doing it just for meeting political ends. You want to politicise Women\u2019s Reservation Bill. Do not try to politicise. Let us elicit public opinion. Please send it to elicit the opinion of the public in the country, the opinion of the voters and the opinion of the masses of this country. Let us see what sort of opinion comes from other places. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If anybody speaks without my permission, that should not be recorded. Mr. Sunil Khan\u2019s remarks should not be recorded.\n<\/p>\n

(Interruptions) \u2026 * <\/p>\n

SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO <\/a>: I say that charity begins at home. I think, the Election Commission has rightly thought that if we want to give reservations from our heart, and if we want women to come forward, we should include it in our political manifestoes, and while we are distributing tickets, we should give preference to women to fight the elections.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My view is that it should be done in a phased manner and it should not be done abruptly. We should see that best women get elected to this House.\n<\/p>\n

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SHRIMATI\u00a0 D. PURANDESWARI Thank you, Sir. I am sorry I was not there when you called me earlier. I apologise once again.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I thank you for giving me this opportunity to voice myself here today on a subject which is very near and dear to us, especially women. I would also like to voice my appreciation to the sensitivity displayed by Shri Chandrappanji in bringing the Resolution into the House today. Since it has been debated for quite some time, I would definitely like to appreciate him.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would not want to delve into the technicalities, merits and demerits of the Bill because the Bill has not yet been tabled in its actual form. I would just restrict myself to the Resolution, that is, that the Central Government should bring forward a suitable legislation to reserve at least one third of the seats for women in all the State legislatures and both Houses of Parliament. So, I would just like to speak about the necessity why we need to introduce a Bill in the House today. I would also like to make it very clear initially that I intend to take part in this discussion not as a reaction to the male chauvinism that has been displayed or has been predominantly dominating our present social structure. I would like to draw focussed attention to the gender discrimination which our Indian women have been subjected to.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Widespread discrimination against women has been very inherent. It has been structural and it has been reflected in the persistent under-representation of women in our Parliament, Legislative Assemblies and even in high profile workplaces.\u00a0 But, if you go back to our traditions, traditionally and culturally our Indian religion and philosophy has always assigned women a high place of honour and divinity.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

It was always the Mother Divine whom we prayed to; Goddess Laxmi whom we prayed to when we needed wealth; Goddess Saraswati whom we turned to when we needed to be blessed with knowledge; and Goddess Kali whom we always tried to appease when we wanted to be blessed with valour. Similarly, nature also, which gave us in plenty and in bountiful, is always called mother nature and not father nature. The child also learnt his first communication skills in his mother language and not father language. So, this is the importance that the woman was always given.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

Even when we go back and look into our ancient scriptures, it was always a matriarchal form of society that existed in the country. In some parts of our country, they continue with the matriarchal form of society in the present day also. In our ancient scriptures, women have always been assigned high places of pride and honour. For example, Kunti, Maitreyi, Gargi, Savitri, Sita, etc., have all been assigned a very high place of honour and dignity. So, it goes beyond all pale of doubt that women would have always been revered and worshipped all along in our history.\n<\/p>\n

Even if we look at our modern day religious leaders like Ramakrishna Paramahansa, or Swami Vivekananda for that matter; our leaders like Mahatma Gandhi; or even men of worth like Bharati, Rabindranath Tagore; or even social reformers like Raja Rammohan Roy, Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar; they have all sung the saga of motherly qualities of divinity and love in women. So, it goes beyond all doubt that women were always honoured, they were always worshipped, and I hope they would be continued to be honoured in the present day also.\n<\/p>\n

However, the present day situation has undergone a great metamorphism and there is a sea change in the position of our women today. During the days of Independence we all know that men and women have fought shoulder to shoulder, as Shri Chandrappan had rightly said the other day in his initial speech. Men and women have fought shoulder to shoulder and this political emancipation was expected to usher in many reforms on the social front also.\u00a0 But, unfortunately, our social reforms have fallen short of expectations. There is a large gap between concept and reality today, and while women have been relegated to positions that are very very inferior, they have been subjected to subordination also.\n<\/p>\n

The Economic Survey, which is the latest and authentic official version of women\u2019s position in our modern day society, says:\n<\/p>\n

\u201cAs per the 2001 census, women constituted 48 per cent of the total population of the country. Women suffer many disadvantages as compared to men in the areas of education, labour participation, wages and earning. \u201d <\/p>\n

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This is in spite of us having a Constitution which is the supreme law of the land, which prohibits gender discrimination and has also specified measures wherein women should be socially and economically empowered[KMR35]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, the provisions of Articles 14, 15, 16(2), 21, 23, 39(a), 39(d) and 39(e) all uniformly speak of equal treatment that should be meted out to both men and women.\u00a0 It also makes the message very loud and clear that the States should provide measures wherein both the sexes, men and women, should have equal access to the finer graces of human civilization.\u00a0 Despite these statutory measures being in place, despite umpteen judicial interventions, the ground realities are absolutely and totally different.\u00a0 They are not what we want them to be.\u00a0 They are totally different.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A study conducted by an international organisation has revealed that women contribute 50 per cent of the adult population and contribute about one-third to the total labour force;\u00a0 They work for two-thirds of the total number of working hours. They receive one-tenth of the world income and yet they\u00a0 possess less than one per cent of the world property.\u00a0 Each one of us should clearly understand that the reservation that is going to be given to women today is not a charity but a recognition of their contribution to the economy and the social development.\u00a0Pessimists believe that within the patriarchal gender relations which confine and constrain a woman, a woman will end up becoming a puppet in the political interest and the power play of a man. They further feel that by giving reservation to women, it would widen fissures which exist in already fragmented society.\u00a0 But, Sir, we need to understand that by ensuring women direct access to political power, she would be given a status in society, which would change her position in the society. By gaining the status in society, by accessing decision making status, the position of women in the house would also be changed for the better.\n<\/p>\n

When the 73rd Constitution amendment has come in, there was a lot of debate and speculation and there were apprehensions but the 73rd and 74th amendments have brought in a definite impact on the participation of women in Panchayati Raj institutions and local bodies in terms of absolute numbers.\u00a0 In some places, where these women had contested the Panchayati Raj institutions and local bodies, they have even exceeded 33 per cent which they were required to get.\u00a0 So women in spite of coming out, they could be able to ably handle both their professional and home fronts very well.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

When we look at the rural areas, it is the\u00a0 family and the social norms,\u00a0lack of education and their dedication to the household chores and their commitment to the household chores that has actually prevented these women from coming out.\u00a0 By giving them an opportunity like this, we are giving them a chance to come out, to prove themselves. Not only that we are also throwing young generation into the political mainstream, which has always been the stronghold of men and a few influential women.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0Even in electoral\u00a0 terms, when we look at the total number of women who had contested elections since 1984, 32.43 per cent\u00a0 women who have won come from recognised parties. When we look at men, their track record has only been 26.50 per cent.\u00a0 This means,\u00a0 voters do not discriminate against women.\u00a0 It is the people who have to give them the seats, who are actually discriminating against women.\u00a0 Therefore gender-based discrimination is very regrettable and it also excludes the entire unpacked gene pool from coming into the mainstream. I hope, each one of us understand that.\n<\/p>\n

Women\u00a0 in India have been able to break the gender-based barrier in many professions. Women have opened the doors to top executive jobs, entered civil services.\u00a0 They are into police service, into journalism and so many other areas which were earlier considered\u00a0 bastions of men.\u00a0 Therefore, women must not and should not be kept away from politics today.\u00a0 Today, even after 50 years of our Constitution have recognised that the equality of women, participation in politics on an equal footing with men seems a very distant dream. Therefore,\u00a0 not only critics but we, women, feel that 33 per cent reservation for women must be made mandatory and must be brought into the House for us to come into the House.\u00a0I once again thank you, Sir.\n<\/p>\n

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:\u00a0 Now, Shri Brahmananda Panda.\n<\/p>\n

\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0941\u090f\u0932 \u0913\u0930\u093e\u092e <\/a>(\u0938\u0941\u0928\u094d\u0926\u0930\u0917\u0922\u093c<\/a>) : \u092e\u0947\u0930\u093e \u0930\u093f\u091c\u0949\u0932\u094d\u092f\u0941\u0936\u0928 \u092d\u0940 \u0939\u0948, \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u091f\u093e\u0907\u092e \u090f\u0915\u094d\u0938\u091f\u0947\u0902\u0921 \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902\u0917\u0947?\n<\/p>\n

\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f :\u00a0 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0930\u093f\u091c\u0949\u0932\u094d\u092f\u0942\u0936\u0928 \u092d\u0940 \u0906\u090f\u0917\u093e\u0964\n<\/p>\n

SHRI BRAHMANANDA PANDA Sir, I may kindly be permitted to speak from this place.\u00a0 Thank you.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hon. Deputy-speaker, Sir, I extend my hearty thanks for giving me an opportunity to participate on the discussion on the Resolution regarding Reservation of one third of seats for women in all the State Legislatures and Parliament, moved by my hon. friend, Shri C.K. Chandrappan.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As we all are aware, all through, women have been given the highest honour in our civilisation.\u00a0 They have become source of inspiration in our social life.\u00a0\u00a0 Therefore, it is high time that they should come to the political platform now.\u00a0 I rise to support this Resolution but with certain corrections in the Representation of People Act.\n<\/p>\n

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\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Shri Balasaheb Vikhe Patil in the Chair) <\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would like to remind you, Sir, that our great late lamented leader Biju Patnaik had always been giving emphasis on the empowerment of women, as a result of which\u00a0 at panchayat level and also in the urban bodies, women have been given the highest preferences.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, here, let me say that my wife is also heading the Orissa State Women Commission.\u00a0 It is always to be seen how women are efficient to carry the message of the people.\u00a0 That is most important.\u00a0 I would like to remind you, Sir, that Mrs. Nandini Satpathy was our Chief Minister.\u00a0She is a very dynamic lady.\u00a0 Her contribution to the overall development of the State of Orissa has been very remarkable.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So, in any walk of life, if women actually exhibit their talent,\u00a0there is no doubt that the people will accept them, appreciate them.\u00a0 Now, it is to be examined that unless the Representation of People Act is corrected or amended,\u00a0 whether this Resolution can come to play its real role.\u00a0 I would like to urge that the political mileage or any such thing should not be the purpose, so far as this Resolution regarding empowerment of women is concerned.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Once again, I would like to support this Bill and I would like to appeal that since the Constitution has provided equal rights to the women, and women have been given equal privileges in all walks of life, it is high time that they should be given preference, so far as the political platform is concerned.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With these few words, I conclude my speech.\u00a0 Thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to speak on this occasion.\n<\/p>\n

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SHRIMATI\u00a0P. SATHEEDEVI Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am really glad to say a few words in support of the Private Member\u2019s Resolution on the Reservation of one third of seats for women in all the State Legislatures and Parliament moved by our hon. Member,\u00a0 Shri C.K. Chandrappan.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, we are discussing the issue of women\u2019s reservation\u00a0while we are almost going to complete the sixth decade of our Independence.\u00a0 We are ruled by the Constitution in which the principle of gender\u00a0equality is enshrined in its preamble, Fundamental Rights, Fundamental Duties and Directive Principles within the framework of a democratic polity laws.\u00a0 Development policies, plans and programmes have been aimed at women\u2019s advancement in different spheres.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, every hon. Member, who has spoken here, admits that there exists a wide gap between the enunciated goals\u00a0\u00a0 in the Constitution and the ground reality of the status of women in India[k36]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

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Women\u2019s equality in power sharing and active participation in decision-making, including political decision-making at all levels and in all processes, should be ensured.\u00a0 For the achievement of this goal, empowerment of women is essential.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

Now, Sir, when we are in the 59th year of Independence and in the 14th Lok Sabha, the percentage of women representatives is only 8.34.\u00a0What is the situation in various States?\u00a0 Between 2002-04, there have been elections to 20 State Assemblies with a total number of 2432 seats.\u00a0There were only 1525 women candidates.\u00a0Out of those 1525 women candidates, only 137 won in those elections.\u00a0 This is just 5.7 per cent.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, the situation at the panchayat level is now becoming much better only because of the Constitutional requirement of one-third reservation for women in panchayats. The 73rd and 74th Constitutional amendments in 1993 have brought about a definite impact on the participation of women in terms of absolute numbers in grass-root democratic institutions – I mean the local bodies.\u00a0 Out of 475 Zila Parishads in the country, 158 are being chaired by women.\u00a0 By ensuring women\u2019s direct access to formal political power and resources for development, women\u2019s social position will automatically get transformed.\u00a0 By gaining status and decision-making power in the community, their position within their houses will also change for the better.\u00a0 Moreover, our experience at the panchayati-raj level brings out the fact that the women are less corrupt and more responsible in executing their duties than men as they have not yet been very much contaminated by the prevailing feudal and political culture.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, the Bill introduced in the Parliament was referred to a Joint-Parliamentary Committee of the two House. The Committee headed by Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee presented its Report on 9th December, 1996.\u00a0 The Report presented by the Committee further strengthened the Bill.\u00a0 The Bills introduced in the 12th and 13th Lok Sabhas failed miserably as there was no consensus of opinion even among the ruling parties.\u00a0 Now also, we are facing the same situation in the 14th Lok Sabha.\u00a0 Even now, the Election Commission, in an attempt to overcome the deadlock, suggested in April 2000 that all the political parties should put up a minimum of one-third seats for women.\u00a0Now also, all the political parties are against the suggestion given by the Election Commission.\u00a0 What will happen if these political parties follow the suggestion of the Election Commission?\u00a0 Every political party will be giving them only those seats on which there is no chance for that political party to win. Naturally the number of women representatives in the State Assemblies and the Parliament will continue to be the same given the situation that is existing now.\u00a0 Several political parties have rejected the suggestion given by the Election Commission by saying that other backward communities and the Scheduled Castes also should be given reservation.\u00a0 Then the Government tried to have a consensus among all the political parties by proposing double-member constituencies, that is, reducing the reservation to 20 per cent and allowing a sub-quota for women from backward classes and minority communities. There was no unanimity on this[pkp38]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : Kindly sit for a minute and then, you can continue.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The time allotted for this Resolution is over. We have eight more Members to participate in this discussion. If the House agrees, the time for discussing this Resolution may be extended by an hour.\n<\/p>\n

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. The time is extended by an hour.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Shrimati Satheedevi, you may continue and conclude soon.\n<\/p>\n

SHRIMATI\u00a0 P. SATHEEDEVI <\/a>: Yes. I am concluding my speech.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the National Common Minimum Programme of the UPA Government, it was reiterated that the Government would take the lead to introduce the legislation for one-third reservation for women in the Lok Sabha and the State Legislatures. But the recent discussions that are going on in the last few days show that there is no likelihood of having any consensus among the political parties, who are in support of the UPA Government. This nation was born out of struggle in which women had played a prominent role and women shouldered equally with men. But the Parliament has not reflected this historical background. Women have been able to break the gender bias or barrier in many professions. Yet, their participation here still remains a dream. So, providing constitutional guarantee, this Bill has to be introduced and passed in the Winter Session of Parliament. It should be passed unanimously with all the political parties that are supporting the UPA Government, extending their support to this Bill, for which the Government has already given a promise to the general public.\n<\/p>\n

SHRIMATI TEJASWINI SEERAMESH Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly cooperate with the Chair by taking 3-5 minutes each. One should not take more than five minutes. If one takes three minutes and concludes, then, this could be completed today itself. Every business is important.\n<\/p>\n

SHRIMATI TEJASWINI SEERAMESH <\/a>: It is very unfortunate, but still we would like to respect the Chair.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Everything is important.\n<\/p>\n

SHRIMATI TEJASWINI SEERAMESH <\/a>: I am having my apprehension. With due respect, I would like to tell you that whenever it comes to women\u2019s matters, we do not even get time to speak. I would like to convey my feelings here.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Minister wants to say something.\n<\/p>\n

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI BIJOY HANDIQUE): The time has been extended twice for this. That is why, we want to complete this subject by today.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. You may continue now.\n<\/p>\n

SHRIMATI TEJASWINI SEERAMESH <\/a>: Thank you. I would like to appreciate our Comrade Chandrappan who is always supporting women\u2019s causes. Of course, many Comrades in the Left Party do it. It is a great opportunity to convince them and express our feelings. We need their support and rising above party lines, we need the support of everybody, to pass this Bill in this House.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Look at the contribution made by women to this mankind and for nation building. You cannot value the contribution of the mother. Mother is everything in the family; mother is the governor. Mother does governance; mother handles finances. She knows how to deal with the subject; in the field of HRD, we can see her contribution. I do not want to blame the men-folk for that, but it is the system.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have done some mistakes; we have not educated our women and so, we are begging for our rights today, even though we are representing 50 per cent of our population, even though we contribute to 50 per cent of the labour force and even though we are not owning any property. It is our fault and that is why, I do not want to beg in this House for our rights. We will take up this cause by educating our women, by organising social movement further.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Humbly, I would like to tell this House that we are only 44 women Members who got elected to this House. In spite of criminalisation of politics, in spite of the very huge expenses that are made by them, can any honest woman fight the election? I am asking this question to everyone of my brothers present here. Can any honest woman fight the election? There are talented women; there are good teachers; there are good nurses and there are good doctors who want to enter politics, but it is not possible for them to do so in the present political scenario. So, do not underestimate them.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: You are one of the elected Members here! People have elected you! <\/p>\n

SHRIMATI TEJASWINI SEERAMESH <\/a>: There is a prejudice that women will not make it. We made it in our houses; we organise the house properly. But we reached this level; do not forget it. We have that tradition. If anybody asks what are we doing, we say that we do not do anything[R39]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

Women work 24 hours a day.\u00a0If a baby awakes in the midnight, mother feeds her.\u00a0 Does the father in anyway show concern?\u00a0 If the baby is not well, the mother shows concern?\u00a0 Are you paying her for this?\u00a0 Do not under-estimate the personality, the dignity of the women.\u00a0She is aware of her right but she is not able to fight for it.\u00a0 Unless she is economically, socially and educationally empowered,\u00a0 the Indian Woman will not make it to the top.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 People are always humiliating women.\u00a0 I was hearing, a number of speeches being made in this House in support of the Bill.\u00a0 Nobody dares to oppose it because everybody is aware that fifty per cent of the women will not back them in the election.\u00a0 You still do not want to pass this Bill because you are afraid that once women reach to the Parliament they will not leave the political power which men folk today are enjoying.\u00a0 I would like to recall the contributions made by women in our nation building.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The political world scenario is, the IPU stressed the need for reservation of women in the Parliament.\u00a0 The parliamentary nations have been raised from 26 to 176.\u00a0 Since last 50 years, the representation of women in Parliament is not more than 11.6 per cent.\u00a0 It indicates that in the world parliamentary nations, the least women representation is in India.\u00a0 In the Scandinavian countries like Norway, Argentina, Belgium, Brazil and Korea, the women representation constitutes nearly 30 per cent whereas in India it is only 11.6 per cent.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

Our great Leader Shrimati Indira Gandhi had ruled India for 18 years as the Prime Minister.\u00a0 How much did she contribute?\u00a0 She took India to the world scenario by initiating NAM.\u00a0 The world today appreciates India.\u00a0 Do not forget the contributions made by the iron lady, Shrimati Indira Gandhi.\u00a0 I would like to recall them in the House because it is a great honour for all of us to remember her services.\u00a0 Today we are boosting ourselves as a nuclear power.\u00a0 It is all due to her contribution to the scientific world.\u00a0It was Shrimati Indira Gandhi who fought all these wars.\u00a0 She took a bold decision.\u00a0 RSS had appreciated Madam Gandhi’s boldness and determination.\u00a0 I appreciate them because they had shown respect to the contributions made by her.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

I would say that we could safeguard our national integrity under the leadership of a woman.\u00a0 Do not under-estimate women.\u00a0 If given an opportunity, they can make it.\u00a0 You may look at the women Chief Ministers.\u00a0 They may have political differences with the administration but compared to men they are more sincere because they have humbleness.\u00a0They know the real problems.\u00a0They know what is poverty, hunger and illiteracy.\u00a0 I would request all of you to give women a chance.\u00a0 If 33 per cent reservation is denied to women, one day \u2013 I may be here or not \u2013 history will tell you who was right and who was wrong.\u00a0 The future will show that they will make it to 50 per cent reservation in the House.\u00a0 Humbly I would like to request everybody to cooperate with us and respect the sentiments of the Indian women.\u00a0 It will be an honour to you only.\u00a0 She has been serving you all these years as a mother, wife and daughter.\u00a0 Contrary to this, look at how women are being discriminated.\n<\/p>\n

When Shrimati Sonia Gandhi was contesting from Bellary, Karnataka, immediately the BJP had put up Sushma ji as its contestant from there.\u00a0 Anybody could have contested from that seat.\u00a0 Sushma ji is really a great Leader.\u00a0 She could have won from any other seat but BJP wanted to create a jhagra between two women.\u00a0 It wanted to defeat a woman by woman.\u00a0 I feel that even the women folk in the BJP, our sisters, would have retaliated.\u00a0 Even in the Congress, we do not want any woman to be defeated.\u00a0 We want to see more women in this House.\u00a0 We want to have more women in the ruling Party also.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : We do respect ladies[R40]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURAVARAM SUDHAKAR REDDY Sir, I stand to support this Resolution proposed by my hon. colleague, Shri C.K. Chandrappan on the empowerment of women.\u00a0 Generally, it looks that most of the political parties and the Members of Parliament are in favour of providing reservation up to 33 per cent in this highest decision and policy making body, the Parliament of India and also in the Legislatures.\u00a0 But there are a few political parties which are not reconciled to this proposal. Unfortunately, they are creating the problem by saying that it should be less than 10 per cent or it should be left to the political parties to decide about a certain percentage of the reservation in allocating the seats in different constituencies.\u00a0 I think it is not correct.\u00a0 Why do we need this reservation now?\u00a0 There are generally four types of discriminations that are going on in the world, namely, race, religion, gender and in India, it is caste also.\u00a0 The gender discrimination is continuing for centuries together and Manudharma Shastra legalised this discrimination against women in India.\u00a0 For centuries, this patriarchal society undermined the role of the women in the society.\u00a0 They tried to suppress the women.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

Even after six decades of Independence, unfortunately, we are seeing today that not even 10 per cent of the women are able to come into Legislative Assemblies and Parliament.\u00a0 The percentage of the women is something like 49.8 per cent.\u00a0 Naturally, the reservation should be 50 per cent but we are accepting 33 per cent reservation because Beijing Declaration on the International Women Conference had come to the understanding that at least one-third reservation for women should be there in decision making and policy making bodies in various countries.\u00a0 This is generally accepted throughout the world.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now some people are raising an issue that the Panchayats, Zila Parishads, etc. are not decision making bodies and that they are only decision implementing bodies.\u00a0 But with the experience of leadership which the women had provided in Panchayats is really heartening.\u00a0 They are very successful in leading the Panchayats.\u00a0 After this experience, there is no reason why there should be any protest or any doubt as to whether the women can represent and lead.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I do not want to quote the role of the women in various fields but I would like to quote a few successful political leaders of the world.\u00a0They played a very important role whether it was Indira Gandhi as the Prime Minister of India or Ms. Golda Meir as the head of the Israel or Mrs. Margaret Thatcher as the head of the United Kingdom or Ms. Sirimavo Bandaranaike earlier and now Ms. Chandrika Kumartunge of Sri Lanka or Ms. Eva Peron of Peru, etc.\u00a0 In their respective countries they took over the responsibility of the political leadership in a situation when their countries were in turmoil and the political situation was challenging.\u00a0 They led their respective countries very successfully.\u00a0 There are several examples even in Latin America.\u00a0Megawati Sukarnoputri of Indonesia led her country very successfully in the most turmoil situation[r41]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have before us the example of Ms. Aung San Su Kyi of Myanmar who took over the leadership in her country to fight against the military dictatorship there for restoration of democracy. When women all over the world have proved their worth as leaders, be it at the lowest rung of the Panchayats, or at the highest level of leading a country, why could there not be proper representation for them in the Parliament and in the legislative bodies?\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There has been a lot of debate going on about this and almost everybody, when we debate this issue in Parliament, agrees to providing for reservation of women in Parliament and in the legislative bodes. Several discussions are taking place behind the curtains. The hon. Prime Minister is discussing this issue with the political parties of the UPA on the one hand, and also with the partners of the NDA to arrive at a consensus on passing the Bill for providing 33 per cent reservation to women in Parliament and the legislative bodies. It is a good thing. It has been one of the main promises made in the Common Minimum Programme of the UPA. But I would like to ask one thing to the leaders of the UPA as to why they are insisting on having a consensus\u00a0 of all political parties on this issue. The Parliament passes several Resolutions, and takes several decisions in spite of opposition from political parties. No doubt, this is an important issue. It is good if we can arrive at a consensus on this. But if we do not get the consensus of all parties, then we should at least have the courage to translate this Bill into Act as early as possible.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I believe, it is already too late. This House should take up this historic Bill. This House has already passed historic Bills like the Right to Information Bill, National Rural Employment Guarantee Bill during this Fourteenth Lok Sabha. This Lok Sabha should have the honour to take this decision about passing this Bill that seeks to provide for 33 per cent reservation to women in the Parliament and in the legislative bodies.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN :\u00a0Kindly conclude or if you have more points to mention, then you may kindly lay them on the Table\u00a0 of the House.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN : We have to regulate the House. Kindly cooperate.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing will be recorded.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly address to the Chair.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly conclude now.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record except the speech of Shri Ram Kripal Yadav.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record except Shri Ram Kripal Yadav\u2019s speech.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly sit down.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly conclude now.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: Kindly cooperate.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN :\u00a0You have already taken 12 minutes. You are a very learned, responsible and good Member. Please conclude now.\n<\/p>\n

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SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN Sir, I thank for the opportunity given to me to speak on this Resolution.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I support the Resolution moved by our hon. Member Shri C.K. Chandrappan.\u00a0 It is very sad to note that it is after 58 years of Independence that we discuss whether we have to give reservation to women or not. We are quarrelling amongst ourselves\u00a0 as to who is to be given and who is not to be given. Why are we not able to give it? I cannot understand it. The point is that women constitute half of the electorate in the world and half of the population in the world. It is true in the case of India. It is true in the case of Kerala also as well as any other State. When we look into the Council of Ministers, we are really in a very bad position. We are not attaining the 33 per cent mark in the case of Ministers. We are not able to attain it in the case of Members of Parliament. We are not able to attain it in the case of Members of Rajay Sabha. It is true\u00a0 in the case of\u00a0 Assemblies also. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nowadays, in all the fields we see that women are able to work with men. Either in the administration as IAS officers or\u00a0 in the political field or in the health service or in the educational field or in any other field, we see that women can do the work what the men are doing. Then, why are we not able to think that we can have a consensus to give 33 per cent reservation to women?\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the light of the 73rd and 74th Constitutional Amendments, it is evident that women can do a lot of things in the administration. The main thing is that women have to be given a chance in the political decision-making bodies. In the case of local panchayats, block panchayats and also district panchayats, when we have given the one-third reservation to women, as far as Kerala is concerned, I am sure that we have made tremendous changes. They work as Panchayat Presidents, Block Panchayat Presidents and District Panchayat Presidents. No doubt, when we compare them with\u00a0 other panchayats, they have done a very good job. I am proud of saying that because I have got the chance of participating in Delhi itself in the Total Sanitation Programme and also in the Rajiv Gandhi Drinking Water Mission.\u00a0 In the Gram Panchayats and District Panchayats, who are the Presidents and who are the Chairpersons? They are women members.\u00a0 They have done it well as far as Kerala is concerned.\u00a0 We have seen that in the grass-root level organisations, they are participating in the panchayat meetings, ward meetings and they are interacting with the IAS officers and also with many other officers. We see that we have such a leadership amongst us. Then, why can we not give 33 per cent reservation to them? When we see the statistics, in any country, the total population of women is 50 per cent. So, it is really not a question of showing some mercy. I think this discussion itself is a sympathetic one. There is no need of extending any sympathy. That is their right. We have to do justice to them. We have to give due share to women[R45]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

I can say that a discussion is going on in the Parliament as well as outside with regard to the Women\u2019s Reservation Bill that may come in the Parliament.\u00a0 As stated by other respected Members, why should we worry?\u00a0Why can we not introduce the Bill in the House?\u00a0 Let us start the discussion.\u00a0 It is not the question of hiding anyone.\u00a0 It is because if we are not able to give due importance to womenfolk, no doubt this House and also this century would really be committing some crime.\u00a0Even in some countries, in South Africa they are giving more representation to women as compared to our country.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

We have a long history; we have a long tradition.\u00a0 Some comrades and some hon. Members have cited some of the great leaders as women Prime Ministers, and also on many other positions.\u00a0 You see that this is the question of social justice that we have to give to women.\u00a0 The political decision is the main issue.\u00a0 The women have to participate in those fields.\u00a0 That is possible now in the local bodies but that is not possible in the State Assemblies or in the Parliament.\u00a0 So, this House has to take a decision.\u00a0 Of course, it is true that there should be some consensus.\u00a0 How far is it possible to do that?\u00a0 Even if there is no consensus, the UPA Government should come with this original Bill.\u00a0 We are fully supporting that.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN :\u00a0Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN <\/a>:\u00a0 I am just concluding, Sir.\u00a0 You see that there is a discussion that the membership has to be increased to 800.\u00a0 Suppose that is done.\u00a0 Then, how will we identify ourselves if 800 Members are there in the House and what about the security?\u00a0 What is the mentality that is ruling?\u00a0 It is the mentality of the feudal view that we are not able to give any share to the women.\u00a0 Women can take it.\u00a0 You create more seats and then only we can give that.\u00a0 So, I would like to conclude with these words.\u00a0 Women cannot, women must not and women will not be kept away from the political decision bodies.\u00a0 All parties will have to understand this.\u00a0 Otherwise, they will have to pay in the future for this great crime.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Tathagata Satpathy, please be very brief and precise because there are two more speakers and then the Minister will reply.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI TATHAGATA SATPATHY Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am extremely grateful to you for giving me this opportunity. I will just take two minutes.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The main question is this. Who needs reservation? Is it the weak? Is it the helpless? Who needs reservation? Are we accepting the fact that our mothers, our sisters, the Lakshmis, the Kalis, the Durgas of India need reservation? I do not think so. The women of India have stood up through time immemorial against all sorts of oppression, deprivation and they have the courage and innate strength to guide this nation. They have done it, they have proved it time and again.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, it is amazing that when the Members of the Congress Party, which is a part of the ruling coalition, talk about their leadership, they talk about late Shrimati Indira Gandhi or Shrimati Sonia Gandhi now. In one breath they take the names of these two ladies. It just shows that both these ladies did not need any reservation. Even the Minister who has struggled and come up in politics did not need any reservation in her constituency to enter this House. In Orissa also, when my mother was the Chief Minister, she did not need any reservation. It just goes to show that women have the strength and they do not need the kindness of men. What is this 33 per cent or what is this 50 per cent? Probably a time can come when women can have 100 per cent representation in this House. We should welcome that. It is the men who have to get out of this mindset of being dayalu. Are we being kind to women by saying that we would excuse the weaknesses of the fair sex, the weak sex and so we would allow them some quarter to survive? This is a ridiculous thought. We speak about sati and on the same breath we accept the ideology of purdah. We have to get out of this deobandi mindset. We cannot accept that kind of a mindset in a modern country.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I strongly oppose reservation and I think all women should be supported to grow on their own strength. They have grown and they will lead. They are our mothers, they are the Durgas, they are the Kalis. Long Live Indian womanhood! <\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : There are a number of Members who want to participate. But due to constraint of time, I will allow only one or two Members to speak now provided they cooperate with the Chair by speaking briefly.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN : All Resolutions are important, all speakers are important, all points are important, but time is also important. Now Shri Sunil Khan will speak. Please be very brief[k49]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

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MR. CHAIRMAN: We are doing it in Maharashtra also.\n<\/p>\n

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SHRI SURESH KURUP Mr. Chairman, Sir, I congratulate my learned colleague Comrade C.K. Chandrappan who brought this Resolution of current importance before this House.\u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0 At the same time, it shows lack of political will on the part of the Government regarding this legislation.\u00a0 It is because this is a part of the Common Minimum Programme.\u00a0 An important aspect of the Common Minimum Programme \u2013 I seek the indulgence of the House \u2013 is that the UPA Government is committed to bring forth the Women Reservation Bill.\u00a0[r50]\u00a0 <\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, Sir, suddenly the talk of consensus has emerged.\u00a0 I do not know when this talk of consensus has emerged.\u00a0 In bringing forth an important social legislation, the history of this country shows that there has never been consensus.\u00a0 What about the Hindi Code Bill?\u00a0 Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, facing all sorts of reactionary opposition in the country, single-handedly brought the Bill in this House and passed it.\u00a0 So, it is the will of the Government, the will of the Ruling Party that is needed.\u00a0 That is why, people have elected this Government.\u00a0 This Government is here in power on the basis of a programme which was put before the people and later a Common Minimum Programme of all the supporting parties was formulated.\u00a0 So, this Government should show the political will to introduce the Women Reservation Bill giving 33 per cent reservation to women in the Parliament and also in the State Legislatures and pass it.\u00a0 When the reactionary Muslim Women Bill was introduced and passed in the House, I happened to be a Member. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : I know.\u00a0 I was also there.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>: In spite of all sorts of opposition from all the progressive forces in the country, that Bill was passed.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN:\u00a0 Shri Suresh Kurup, please wait for a minute.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now, the extended time allotted for this Bill is over.\u00a0The Minister has to reply.\u00a0 We may extend the time for this Bill by 15 to 20 minutes.\u00a0 After that, we will have to take up the next Resolution also.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is it the sense of the House to extend the time for this Bill by 20 minutes?\n<\/p>\n

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: So, the time for this Bill is extended by another 20 minutes.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Shri Suresh Kurup, you may continue your speech now.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>: Sir, it was the NDA Government which initially brought this consensus business regarding the Women Reservation Bill.\u00a0 They could pass the Prevention of Terrorism Bill, which was defeated in the Rajya Sabha, by convening a Joint Session of both the Houses of Parliament and they had the temerity to pass it in spite of all opposition. \u2026 (Interruptions)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is easy to say about Kali and all those things but the actual fact is that in every sphere of life, women are under-represented.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, what was the ILO study?\u00a0 You allow me two more minutes, Sir. Anyway you have extended the time.\u00a0\u00a0\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please address the Chair.\u00a0 If you start addressing other Members, then time will be lost, and you will be responsible for it.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>:\u00a0 Sir, the International Labour Organisation study shows, \u201cwhile women represent 50 per cent of the world adult population and a third of the official labour force, they perform nearly two-thirds of all working hours, receive a tenth of world income and own less than one per cent of world property\u201d.\u00a0 This is the situation of women all over the world. It is nobody\u2019s charity.\u00a0 It is the right of women of this country that they should get representation in all spheres of life, especially in the Legislatures. Their voice should be heard in the Parliament and in the State Legislatures.\u00a0The Eighty-third Constitution (Amendment) Bill, which gave one-third representation to women in all the Panchayat Samitis, is proved beyond doubt and it is working successfully. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: You are right.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>: Heavens had not fallen down when you gave proper representation to women in the Panchayat Samitis.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude your speech.\u00a0 The Minister has to reply.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>: I will conclude my speech in two minutes.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The higher representation in all these bodies shows that the level of corruption will be less.\u00a0 The studies have revealed that women representation in all the bodies has made corruption less.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So, what I want to say is that this UPA Government should show the political will to bring forth this Bill, and in spite of all opposition and whoever opposes it, this Government should bring forward this Bill in this House and pass it.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN:\u00a0 Please conclude now.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>: Sir, please allow me one more minute.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN:\u00a0 Kindly co-operate.\u00a0 You are a very good speaker.\u00a0 Please conclude now[lh51]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SURESH KURUP <\/a>: As a tailpiece, I would like to say one thing. In the South African Parliament it was only one lady Member, the legendary Helen Holsman, who said that apartheid should be abolished. She was heckled and thrown out of the House. None of the male Members supported her.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, Mr. Minister. Kindly co-operate. Be brief and precise.\n<\/p>\n

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW & JUSTICE\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY): Sir, I am very happy to note that this House could discuss on the important commitments of the Government by way of the Resolution moved by Shri C.K. Chandrappan, our beloved friend.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The motion is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n

\u201cIn view of the demand for ensuring adequate representation to women in the State Legislatures and Parliament gaining ground, this House resolves that the Central Government should bring forward a suitable legislation to reserve at least one third of the seats for women in all the State legislatures and both Houses of Parliament.\u201d <\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In this connection, I would like to draw the attention of this august House to the fact that the United Progressive Alliance in its National Common Minimum Programme has stated that the Government will take the lead to introduce legislation for one-third reservation for women in the House of the People and the Legislative Assemblies of the States. The same commitment was also reflected in the inaugural address of the President to the Joint Session of Parliament on 7.6.2004. Since reservation of seats for women is an important feature of the Common Minimum Programme, the hon. Prime Minister also directed that the issue of piloting the Bill initially be discussed in the Coordination Committee of the United Progressive Alliance.\u00a0 After holding discussion with certain political parties, a new Bill has been prepared by this Government. The Bill has the following features:-\n<\/p>\n

1)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The Bill provides one-third reservation for women, including the number of seats reserved for women of the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes in the House of the People and Legislative Assemblies of the States. One-third reservation for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes shall be within the reserved seats for the Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes, as the case may be. There is also a provision to make one-third reservation by rotation, where the total number of seats is one or two, by adopting the block-wise formula.\n<\/p>\n

2)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The Bill provides for reservation for women in respect of nominations of Members of Anglo-Indian community in the House of the People and Legislative Assemblies of the States.\n<\/p>\n

3)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The Bill provides for reservation for women in the Legislative Assembly of the National Capital Territory of Delhi.\n<\/p>\n

4)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The provision of reservation for women should cease to have effect on the expiration of a period of 15 years from the day of enactment of the Bill.\n<\/p>\n

5)\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0The Bill does not provide for reservation for women belonging to Other Backward Classes as also for extending similar reservation to women in the Rajya Sabha.\n<\/p>\n

With a view to arriving at a consensus, a meeting of UPA was held on 23rd August. We also convened a meeting of leaders of all the political parties on 24th August for ascertaining the views of the parties. In view of the divergence of opinion, no consensus could be arrived at. I hope an agreeable formula could be arrived at in the near future. This also includes the formula of the Election Commission put forth by the BJP.\n<\/p>\n

Therefore, there are three views. One view is that in the existing seats, one-third seats should be reserved for women. Another view is to increase 33 per cent seats so that 543 seats will become 724 so that women could be provided the required seats. And the third proposal is the one put forth by the BJP that the political parties should reserve one-third of the seats.\u2026 (Interruptions) Yes, this is the view of the Election Commission also. Therefore, the political parties should be insisted to reserve 33 per cent of seats for women[m52]\u00a0.\n<\/p>\n

[t53]\u00a0 <\/p>\n

So, any one of these theories should be adopted.\u00a0 Therefore, in view of the aforesaid, it may be noted that the Government has been making sincere efforts for evolving a consensus on the provisions of a legislation providing for reservation for women in Lok Sabha and State Legislative Assemblies.\u00a0 The matter is to be considered in its entirety and a consensus amongst political parties is yet to be arrived at.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : Kindly complete.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY<\/a>: Hence, unless a consensus is arrived at, it may not be possible to finalize the proposal.\u00a0 This will take some more time.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Therefore, in the circumstances, I would request the hon. Member to withdraw the Resolution.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>(TRICHUR<\/a>): You said that in view of something, I should withdraw the Resolution. But on what basis, should I withdraw it? \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Chandrappan, please be brief.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: I should hear from the Minister.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: The Government is trying their best to come to a consensus, and then they will come with a legislation.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY<\/a>: I have stated that in the circumstances, I would request the hon. Member to withdraw the Resolution.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: Do you want me to withdraw?\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, he wants you to withdraw the Resolution.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY<\/a>: I have got very good appreciation for this, and our hon. Members have expressed their views and opinions. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: Will you bring the Bill in a stipulated time?\n<\/p>\n

SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY<\/a>: The consensus will definitely be arrived at.\u00a0 I sincerely hope.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Chandrappan, you kindly be brief.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

\u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f : \u00a0\u0915\u092e \u0938\u0947 \u0915\u092e \u092e\u0942\u0935\u0930 \u0915\u094b \u0924\u094b \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n

\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record. Only the Mover may kindly withdraw the Resolution.\n<\/p>\n

(Interruptions) \u2026 * <\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: I have to reply. It is my right.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: I am requesting you to withdraw.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: I am really disappointed by the reply of the Minister.\u00a0Thirty-five Members of this august House have participated and spoken on this Resolution.\u00a0 I think, an overwhelming majority, except a very few, was in full support of a legislation providing one-third representation to women. We are asking you for this because it is a part of the National Common Minimum Programme. If you are telling that you will do it only after the consensus is arrived at, then I will say that the consensus will never arrive.\u00a0 We have seen how they have tried consensus for five years, and it did not come. I do not want this Government to do that exercise. They should have more serious commitment to the promise that has been made to the country, and they should also take a firm position because you are a Party claiming to have Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru\u2019s heritage and Shrimati Indira Gandhi\u2019s heritage. There was no consensus arrived at whenever important Constitutional amendments were brought forward. In the of Constitutional Amendment to overcome the Golak Nath Case verdict, you did not go for consensus. It was voted and decided. What is lacking is a political will. If <\/p>\n

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* Not Recorded <\/p>\n

political will is not there, this is never going to happen. This is all trying an attempt to dupe the people of this country and saying that we are for this or that.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have a word for BJP about the kind of acrobatic exercise that they have done. It is a perfect acrobatic feat. You were the people who promised the blank cheque.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/p>\n

16.19 hrs.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Dr. Laxminarayan Pandey in the Chair) <\/p>\n

s <\/p>\n

SHRI SUSHIL\u00a0 KUMAR MODI <\/a>(BHAGALPUR<\/a>): We have given the blank cheque. We have not withdrawn it.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Chandrappan, you please address the Chair.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: Still you have a blank cheque!\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0.\u2026 (Interruptions) No, it was withdrawn yesterday.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI SUSHIL\u00a0 KUMAR MODI <\/a>: No, we have not withdrawn. .\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: This is another blank cheque.\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Chandrappan, you may address the Chair.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: What I am saying is that they have switched over to another suggestion[t54]\u00a0[t55]\u00a0\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There [e56]\u00a0are two blank cheques now; earlier, there was one blank cheque from them.\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The point now is that we want this Bill to come. It is not a charity. It is a matter of doing social justice. It is in the spirit of the Constitution which promises in the preamble that it would not discriminate on the basis of sex. Now, women are being discriminated against. So, we want this legislation to come up. I am sorry that the Government is not coming forth with a statement that it would bring in legislation. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They want me to withdraw my Resolution. Is it out of friendship that I should withdraw it?\n<\/p>\n

SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY<\/a>: The UPA is committed to introduce a Bill. There is no doubt about it. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN : Please do not interrupt. The hon. Minister is replying now.\n<\/p>\n

\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n

\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0938\u0941\u0936\u0940\u0932 \u0915\u0941\u092e\u093e\u0930 \u092e\u094b\u0926\u0940 <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u0941\u091b \u0915\u094d\u0932\u0948\u0930\u0940\u092b\u093e\u0908 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\u00a0 \u0939\u092e\u0928\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u0938\u0941\u091d\u093e\u0935 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e\u2026( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\u00a0\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Nothing will go on record.\n<\/p>\n

(Interruptions) \u2026* <\/p>\n

SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY<\/a>: Mr. Chairman, Sir, the UPA is committed to introduce a Bill. There is no doubt about it. There is also no doubt about the fact that we want to empower women politically, socially, economically and in all spheres but we are discussing matters with the political parties and we want to arrive at a consensus.\n<\/p>\n

SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: If consensus is not available, what would you do?\n<\/p>\n

SHRI K. VENKATAPATHY<\/a>: The very fact that all the hon. Members are participating in this discussion with avowed interest and zeal would disclose the fact that we are all interested in the matter. So, we have to take the House into confidence. Definitely, the Bill would be introduced after we arrive at a consensus. That is all I would say.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Chandrappan, are you accepting the request of the hon. Minister?\n<\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/p>\n

__________________________________________________________________ <\/p>\n

* Not Recorded
\n SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: Yes. In view of the fact that the Chair is also saying that they have made a commitment to bring forward a Bill and taking into account the fact that the people of this country would not spare anybody who would betray women, I withdraw the Resolution.\n<\/p>\n

MR. CHAIRMAN: Is it the pleasure of the House that the Resolution moved by Shri C.K. Chandrappan be withdrawn?\n<\/p>\n

The Resolution was, by leave, withdrawn.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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