{"id":39196,"date":"2009-02-24T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2009-02-23T18:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-the-motion-for-consideration-of-the-national-on-24-february-2009"},"modified":"2018-12-07T16:23:48","modified_gmt":"2018-12-07T10:53:48","slug":"discussion-on-the-motion-for-consideration-of-the-national-on-24-february-2009","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.legalindia.com\/judgments\/discussion-on-the-motion-for-consideration-of-the-national-on-24-february-2009","title":{"rendered":"Discussion On The Motion For Consideration Of The National &#8230; on 24 February, 2009"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"docsource_main\">Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n<div class=\"doc_title\">Discussion On The Motion For Consideration Of The National &#8230; on 24 February, 2009<\/div>\n<\/p>\n<pre><\/pre>\n<p>                                          &gt; <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=Title\">Title<\/a>: Discussion  on the motion for consideration of the National Commission for Minority  Educational Institutions (Amendment) Bill, 2009.   <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Now we will take up Item 33.\u00a0 The Minister may move the Bill.\n<\/p>\n<p>THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI M.A.A. FATMI): On behalf of Shri Arjun Singh, I beg to move:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat the Bill further to amend the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions Act, 2004, be taken into consideration.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>Sir, this is a very simple and short Bill which proposes to carry out some amendments in the parent Act of 2004.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions was established through the promulgation of an Ordinance dated 11th November 2004. The Ordinance was replaced by the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions Act 2004 (2 of 2005) which was notified on 6th January 2005. The Act provided for constitution of the Commission and the key objective was to ensure that the true amplitude of the educational rights enshrined in Article 30 (1) of the Constitution is made available to the members of the notified minority communities. This entails, inter-alia, addressing all issues that pertain to the denial, deprivation or violation of the constitutional right of the minorities to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice, including all issues related to grant of NOC, minority status certificates and affiliation to universities, wherever applicable.[RP70]\u00a0   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Commission, which has been in existence for three years, has faced certain practical difficulties in implementing some of the provisions of the Act. The Ministry of Human Resource Development has also, from time to time received several suggestions in regard to the Act (No.2 of 2005) from various cross-sections of the minorities, which were referred to the Commission. The Commission has considered the views and suggestions expressed by various stakeholders,\u00a0 and has recommended certain amendments to the NCMEI Act. It is accordingly proposed to carry out some of the amendments through the present legislation.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In Section 2 of the Bill, two amendments are proposed in clause (g). First is to do away with the exclusion of Universities in the definition of \u201cMinority Educational Institutions\u201d.\u00a0 The second proposal is to substitute the words \u201cor maintained by\u201d with the words \u201cand administered by\u201d.\u00a0 The existing exclusion of a University from the definition of a minority educational institution runs counter to the law laid down by the Supreme Court of India vide Azeez Basha V. Union of India (A.I.R. 1968) substitution of words &#8220;or maintained by&#8221; with the words &#8220;and administered by&#8221; Several complaints were received to the effect that non-minorities were advertising the institutes as established by the minorities. Through this amendment this defect is sought to be removed by providing that the institutions should be both established and administered by a person or group of persons belonging to the same minorities. This will also conform to the language used in Article 30 of the Constitution.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The NCMEI Act, as at present, has amplified the functions of the Commission manifold, as compared to the original Act, under which the strength of the Commission was fixed at two Members besides the Chairman. The number of cases registered with the NCMEI has been showing an upward trend. Apart from the increasing number of matters, the complex nature of issues brought before it, also calls for strengthening of the Commission. To meet the expectations of the minority communities who look upon the Commission as the forum for redressal of their grievances, it is proposed that Section 3(2) of the Act be amended to increase the existing number of Members of the Commission, other than the Chairperson, from the existing two to three.\n<\/p>\n<p>Article 30 (1) of the Constitution gives the Minorities un\u00adrestricted power to establish and administer educational institutions of their choice. In TMA Pai Foundation vs. State of Karnataka (2002) (8 S.C.C. 481), the Supreme Court was of view that the right enshrined under Article 30(1) of the Constitution is a regulatory right and the regulations must satisfy a dual test namely, the test of reasonableness and the test that it is regulative of the educational character of the institution and is conducive to making the institution an effective vehicle of education for the minority community. That being so we are amending Section 10(1) of the Act so that it does not circumscribe the width and ambit of Article 30(1) of the Constitution. The proposed amendment will ensure that issuing of NOC, wherever required, is made subject to law in force and not left to the executive discretion in each State.[H71]\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>Finally, clause 12(B) of the aforesaid Act confers power upon the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions to decide on the minority status of an educational institution. sub-clause (4) of said clause12(B), as it stands, provides that the Commission may, after giving the parties to the appeal an opportunity of being heard, and in consultation with the State Government, decide on the minority status of the educational institution and shall proceed to give such directions as it may deem fit,\u00a0 and all such directions shall be binding on the parties.\u00a0 It is proposed to do away with the requirement of consultations with the State Governments before deciding on the status of the Minority Educational Institution because in most of the cases the State Governments are already parties in the petitions coming to the Commission on appeal, and hence the State Governments should not, it is felt, be given a second chance as this will vitiate the principle of natural justice.\n<\/p>\n<p>With these words, I move for the consideration and adoption of the Bill by the House.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20%3A%20Motion%20moved\">MR. 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CHAIRMAN <\/a>: There is no time. Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B9%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A4%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0930\u093e\u0938\u093e \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0930\u093e\u0935\u0924 <\/a>: \u00a0\u092f\u0939 \u092c\u0939\u0941\u0924 \u0905\u091a\u094d\u091b\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u094b \u0938\u0947\u092e\u093f\u0938\u094d\u091f\u0930 \u0915\u0940 \u091c\u0917\u0939 \u0924\u0940\u0928 \u0938\u0947\u092e\u093f\u0938\u094d\u091f\u0930 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0940 \u092a\u0930\u093f\u092d\u093e\u0937\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u094b \u0938\u094d\u092a\u0937\u094d\u091f\u0940\u0915\u0930\u0923 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0915\u093f \u0905\u0932\u094d\u092a\u0938\u0902\u0916\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094b\u0902 \u0926\u094d\u0935\u093e\u0930\u093e \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u092a\u093f\u0924 \u0914\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u093e\u092f\u094b\u091c\u093f\u0924 \u0915\u0947 \u092a\u0940\u091b\u0947 \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0930\u093e\u091c \u0939\u0948? \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0915\u094b\u0908 \u0926\u0942\u0938\u0930\u093e \u0938\u092e\u0941\u0926\u093e\u092f \u092f\u093e \u0938\u092a\u094d\u0930\u0926\u093e\u092f, \u0905\u0932\u094d\u092a\u0938\u0902\u0916\u094d\u092f\u0915 \u0938\u092e\u0941\u0926\u093e\u092f \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0938\u0902\u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u092a\u093f\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948 \u0924\u094b \u0915\u094d\u092f\u093e \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u0907\u0928\u0947\u0930\u093f\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0947\u091f\u0938 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u092e\u093f\u0932\u0947\u0917\u093e? \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u0907\u0938 \u092a\u0930\u093f\u092d\u093e\u0937\u093e \u0915\u0947 \u0905\u0902\u0926\u0930 \u092d\u0940 \u0915\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0928 \u0915\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0905\u0932\u0917\u093e\u0935\u0935\u093e\u0926 \u0915\u0940 \u092c\u0942 \u0906\u0924\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0928\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u0924\u093f\u092a\u092f \u092c\u093e\u0924\u094b\u0902 \u0915\u0940 \u0924\u0930\u092b \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0927\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0928 \u0906\u0915\u0930\u094d\u0937\u093f\u0924 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0939\u092e \u0907\u0938\u0915\u093e \u0935\u093f\u0930\u094b\u0927 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0906\u092f\u094b\u0917 \u092c\u0928\u093e, \u092f\u0939 \u0905\u091a\u094d\u091b\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0906\u092f\u094b\u0917 \u091c\u093e\u0902\u091a \u0915\u0930\u0947 \u0914\u0930 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0938\u0939\u092f\u094b\u0917 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0926\u093e\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You place it on the Table.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B9%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A4%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0930\u093e\u0938\u093e \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0930\u093e\u0935\u0924 <\/a>: \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0905\u0902\u0924\u093f\u092e \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0915\u0939 \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0901 \u0914\u0930 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0938\u0902\u0930\u0915\u094d\u0937\u0923 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: It is very difficult to control it.[r73]\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B.%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%20%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B9%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%A4%20\">\u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b. \u0930\u093e\u0938\u093e \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0930\u093e\u0935\u0924 <\/a>: 2005 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0906\u092f\u094b\u0917 \u0915\u0947 \u0938\u093e\u092e\u0928\u0947 40 \u090f\u092a\u094d\u0932\u0940\u0915\u0947\u0936\u0902\u0938 \u0906\u0908\u0902, 2006 \u092e\u0947\u0902 1744 \u090f\u092a\u094d\u0932\u0940\u0915\u0947\u0936\u0902\u0938 \u0906\u0908\u0902, 2007 \u092e\u0947\u0902 818 \u090f\u092a\u094d\u0932\u0940\u0915\u0947\u0936\u0902\u0938 \u0906\u0908\u0902\u0964 \u0915\u0941\u0932 2622 \u090f\u092a\u094d\u0932\u0940\u0915\u0947\u0936\u0902\u0938 \u0906\u0908\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u0907\u0928\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u0947 825 \u0915\u093e \u0928\u093f\u0938\u094d\u0924\u093e\u0930\u0923 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e\u0964 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0938\u092e\u091d\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0901 \u0915\u093f \u091b\u093e\u0928\u092c\u0940\u0928 \u0924\u094b \u0939\u094b\u0928\u0940 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u093f\u090f\u0964 \u092c\u093f\u0928\u093e \u091b\u093e\u0928\u092c\u0940\u0928 \u0915\u093f\u090f \u0905\u0917\u0930 \u0905\u0932\u094d\u092a\u0938\u0902\u0916\u094d\u092f\u0915 \u0938\u0902\u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u0913\u0902 \u0915\u0947 \u0928\u093e\u092e \u092a\u0930 \u0939\u0930 \u0915\u093f\u0938\u0940 \u0938\u0902\u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e \u0915\u094b \u0938\u094d\u0925\u093e\u092a\u093f\u0924 \u0915\u0930 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0924\u094b \u0930\u093e\u0937\u094d\u091f\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0938\u0902\u0915\u091f \u0916\u0921\u093c\u093e \u0939\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0907\u0938\u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0938\u093e\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u0930\u0924\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0940 \u0906\u0935\u0936\u094d\u092f\u0915\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u093e \u0905\u0935\u0938\u0930 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e, \u0907\u0938\u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0927\u0928\u094d\u092f\u0935\u093e\u0926\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%2ASHRI%20J.M.%20AARON%20RASHID%20\">*SHRI J.M. AARON RASHID <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=PERIYAKULAM\">PERIYAKULAM<\/a>) : Sir, I wish to speak in Tamil while participating in this discussion on National Commission for Minorities Educational Institutions (Amendment) Bill 2009.\u00a0 In our Indian body polity, minorities must have their rightful place.\u00a0 The rights of the minorities under Article 30(i) are specified in our constitution.\u00a0 Under the guidance of Madame Sonia Gandhi, the Chairperson of UPA, Minister of Human Resources Development in the Union council of Ministers headed by our Prime Minister Dr. Manhoman Singh, has brought about several welfare measures meant for the minorities.\u00a0 Much has been done to bring about change in the lives of minorities in these four to five years during the tenune of UPA Government.\u00a0 I would like to point out that in certain states especially in the BJP ruled states, getting approval to run Minority Educational Institutions is in itself a problem and it is just not available.\u00a0 Section 10(i) is being amended just because the minorities are denied of their rights in the opposition ruled states.\u00a0 This amendment seeks to protect their rights.\n<\/p>\n<p>I have a humble request to make.\u00a0 Minority Commission has \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 got just three members as of now.\u00a0 It is said that about Rs.13 lacs is being spent on each member of the commission.\u00a0This Bill seeks to protect the rights of minorities especially the Islamic community as it remains to be the socially most backward community.\u00a0 There must be provision for three members from Muslim Community.\u00a0Along with a Sikh member and a Chistran member there can be five more members in this commission.\u00a0 The money spent on them could be about Rs.65 lakhs.\u00a0This amount is just a drop in the massive Budget of ours as the Centre deals with about Rs.6,00,000 crore and more. In these four years 4279 complaints have been received and 3932 have been disposed off after being considered properly.\u00a0 This commission\u00a0 has been given\u00a0 the judicial\u00a0 powers of a Civil court.\u00a0 Still some more   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>* English translation of the Speech originally delivered in Tamil.\n<\/p>\n<p>powers have to be given.\u00a0 Those who want to establish Minority Education Institutions are made to run from pillar to post when they seek No Objection Certificate from the State Governments.\u00a0 Hon\u2019ble Shri Arjun Singh has provided for in this Bill conferrment of certain rights.\u00a0A Minority Institution can be started if there is no response within 60 days to the application filed for obtaining No Objection Certificate for approval from the State Government.\u00a0 I would like to point out that this UPA Government headed by Dr.Manmohan Singh and led by Smt. Sonia Gandhi have great concern for the minorities.\u00a0 I would like to point out that minorities have not forgotten the injustice meted out to them during the previous NDA regime.\u00a0 Minorities have been put to many sufferings in many riots.\u00a0 There are thousands of men in the civil services as IAS and IPS Officers.\u00a0 How many of them are from the Minority Community?\u00a0 How many of the IPS Officers belong to Islamic Community? They are very limited in number and easily countable. This Bill shows the concern this Government has for the minorities.\u00a0 Not only this Government has got concern for the minorities and the under privileged sections of the society even our other leaders have shown it.\u00a0Especially our young leader Rahul Gandhi makes it a point to visit the Scheduled Tribe people and try to learn from them their problems.\u00a0 I would like to ask of you whether the rulers in the previous regime have done anything like that.\u00a0 The rights of the Minority Community must be protected.\u00a0 I would like to request this Government to see that the National Commission for Minority Education Institutions gets some more powers and gain an enhanced status.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Hon. Member, you can place your speech on the Table of the House.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20J.M.%20AARON%20RASHID%20\">SHRI J.M. AARON RASHID <\/a>: Section 12 should also be modified.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Hon. Member, you can place your speech on the Table of the House.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20J.M.%20AARON%20RASHID%20\">SHRI J.M. AARON RASHID <\/a>: It should definitely be investigated by the Government whether the institutions that are run in the name of minorities are run by the minorities. You have to probe it in the larger interest of the minorities of this country.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We are deprived, and the minorities are not given importance. The UPA Government is giving utmost importance to it because the minority community is educationally backward.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have 545 districts. I would request and urge upon the Government that the UPA Government in the Centre should start minority educational institutions like Kendriya Vidyalaya or Kasturba Gandhi Vidyalaya in every district. You have to start one minority educational institution in every district. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Mr. Karunakaran, you can start speaking. He would not stop.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20J.M.%20AARON%20RASHID%20\">SHRI J.M. AARON RASHID <\/a>: In addition, you have to provide education to the minorities. The Central Government should give training to the minority students for IAS and IPS also.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Hon. Member, you can place your speech on the Table of the House.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20J.M.%20AARON%20RASHID%C2%A0%20\">SHRI J.M. AARON RASHID\u00a0 <\/a>: \u00a0Section 12(B) in this Acts needs to be amended.\u00a0 In the same way as you seek to amend section 10 a(i) you may amend also section 12(B).\u00a0 There must be a study to collect details as to how many of the beneficiaries from the Minority Educational Institutions are really minorities.\u00a0 There are some people who run such institutions under the guise of minorities.\u00a0 How many students are benefitted? How many from the Minority Communities get job opportunities must be studied.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>As regards reservation of seats, minorities should be given reservation in education. The minorities should be given reservation in all the States by this Government. The Tamil Nadu Government has given it; the Andhra Pradesh Government has given it; and even the BJP Government in Karnataka has given it. Why are you not giving it? The Central Government should also give reservation to the minorities.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would like to say that this Government alone can give it, and this Government alone can take care of them.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We should not be deprived and neglected. The minorities should not be neglected at any cost.\n<\/p>\n<p>Article 30 (1) of the Constitution should be protected. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Yes, Mr. Karunakaran, you can speak.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Nothing will go on record.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions) \u2026 *  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20P.%20KARUNAKARAN%20\">SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=KASARGOD\">KASARGOD<\/a>): Sir, how can I speak? The House is not in order. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: He would not stop.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20J.M.%20AARON%20RASHID%20\">SHRI J.M. AARON RASHID <\/a>: Sir, I am concluding. More percentage of seats for minorities should be given in the colleges that are run in the name of minorities. With these words, I conclude my speech.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0   <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: There is a limit. You are on the ruling side. How can the Business of the House be concluded if you take so much of time of the House?\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0Mr. Karunakaran, you must at least be liberal and accommodative.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p> \u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>* Not\u00a0 recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20P.%20KARUNAKARAN%20\">SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN <\/a>: We are discussing the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions (Amendment) Bill, 2009. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: This is a subject on which anybody can speak for any length of time. Minority issue is the basic issue, and anybody can speak on it at any time.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20P.%20KARUNAKARAN\">SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN<\/a>: The hon. Minister has stated that there are issues with regard to the functioning of the Commission. I would like to recollect that there was a really heated discussion in this House when we first discussed the Bill in 2004. After that discussion, we have given shape to the Bill. \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I am sure that the Minister will be here. If all others leave, he will be here.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRIMATI%20C.S.%20SUJATHA%20\">SHRIMATI C.S. SUJATHA <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MAVELIKARA\">MAVELIKARA<\/a>): Sir, we are here.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20C.K.%20CHANDRAPPAN%20\">SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=TRICHUR\">TRICHUR<\/a>): Sir, we all are here.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: This is the only consolation.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20P.%20KARUNAKARAN%20\">SHRI P. KARUNAKARAN <\/a>: It is true that even now there are a large number of problems being faced by the minority community. The minority community has a Constitutional right under Article 30 (1A). Still, we are discussing this issue in this House even after 61 years of our Independence.[r74]\u00a0   <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As stated by other hon. Members, we have to give due importance to minorities. It is on this basis that Sachar Commission Report was been tabled in Parliament. It came to the fore in the Sachar Commission Report that in many Districts and towns of the country the status of minorities is below that of SC and ST communities. Some Governments have taken steps to rectify their mistakes. I am proud of saying that on the basis of Sachar Commission Report the Government of Kerala has constituted a Committee, the Paloli Mohammad Kutty Committee to go into this issue. The Committee has submitted its report and the recommendations have already been implemented to give scholarships to minority students and provide reservation to minorities in educational institutions and employment opportunities.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I understand that there are some practical difficulties experienced by the Commission in the past four years of its existence. Hon. Minister has made it clear that the number of Members of the Commission has to be raised and some other issues have to be attended to. I fully agree with many of the suggestions made by the Minister. At the same time one must realise that the status of education in the country differs from State to State. In Kerala there is cent per cent education and that is not the case with many other States. While majority of the educational institutions are Government-owned in some States, they are privately managed in many other States. We have a federal set up in our country. Every issue is complex in our country including education. We have to give due importance to States in all sectors whether it is education or any other sector.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Minister has made a suggestion that problems crop up with regard to the State Governments in the matter of according the status of minorities. He said that some States may have differing views from the other States in this regard. But I think it is the State Governments which can judge these things better. There may be problems and I do not deny that. But how can the State Governments be kept out of the process of deciding the status of minorities and other issues? If two State Governments take opposing views, the Central Government can intervene and give a direction.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember that in the draft Bill that was introduced in the House in 2004 there was no mention about the role of the State Governments. After taking into consideration the views of all political parties, it was included that there should be consultation with the State Government in this matter. Even after consulting the State Governments, the Minorities Commission can take its own view. In this Bill, even that consultation role given to the States earlier has been done away with. I think that has to be reintroduced. Otherwise, it would set a bad precedent with regard to relations between the States and the Centre.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Both the Central and State Governments will have to give due importance to minorities. We cannot say that it is only the Central Government that gives due importance to minorities and State Governments are all against them. We cannot take that view in our federal set up. It is only when the States are strong that the Centre can become strong. Otherwise, there may be problems. The Union Government has to consider this aspect and introduce the concept of consultation with the States once again.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With these words, I support the Bill.\n<\/p>\n<p>[KMR75]\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e \u0915\u0943\u092a\u093e\u0932 \u092f\u093e\u0926\u0935 (<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%BE%29%C2%A0%20\">\u092a\u091f\u0928\u093e)\u00a0 <\/a>: \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0938\u092c\u0938\u0947 \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0947 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u093e \u0906\u092d\u093e\u0930 \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u0907\u0924\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0939\u0924\u094d\u0935\u092a\u0942\u0930\u094d\u0923 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\u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0916\u0924\u094d\u092e \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e, \u0924\u092c \u0906\u092a \u0926\u0942\u0938\u0930\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f \u0938\u0926\u0938\u094d\u092f \u0915\u094b \u092c\u0941\u0932\u093e\u090f\u0902\u0917\u0947, \u0905\u092d\u0940 \u0924\u094b \u092e\u0948\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0916\u0924\u094d\u092e \u0939\u0940 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092f\u0939 \u0928\u093f\u0935\u0947\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e \u0915\u093f \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f \u092e\u093f\u0924\u094d\u0930 \u0930\u093e\u0938\u093e \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u0930\u093e\u0935\u0924 \u091c\u0940 \u092c\u094b\u0932 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0925\u0947 \u0915\u093f \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u092f\u0939 \u091b\u0942\u091f \u0926\u0940 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\u0915\u0930 \u0930\u0939\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0947 \u0930\u0939\u0924\u0947 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u093e \u0939\u093f\u0924 \u092d\u0940 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964&#8230;( \u0935\u094d\u092f\u0935\u0927\u093e\u0928)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN%20\">MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Nothing will go on record.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions) \u2026*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20CHAIRMAN\">MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>:\u00a0 Now nothing will go on record.\n<\/p>\n<p>(Interruptions) \u2026*  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%20%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B2%20%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B5%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e \u0915\u0943\u092a\u093e\u0932 \u092f\u093e\u0926\u0935 <\/a>: \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0905\u0928\u094d\u0924 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092f\u0939\u0940 \u0928\u093f\u0935\u0947\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e, \u0907\u0938\u0915\u094b \u0906\u092a\u0928\u0947 \u0911\u092b \u0915\u0930\u093e \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e, \u092e\u0941\u091d\u0947 \u090f\u0915 \u092e\u093f\u0928\u091f \u0915\u0940 \u092a\u0930\u092e\u0940\u0936\u0928 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f, \u0924\u093e\u0915\u093f \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092a\u0941\u0928\u0903 \u0907\u0938 \u092c\u093f\u0932 \u092a\u0930 \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0928 \u0926\u0947\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0938\u092e\u093e\u092a\u094d\u0924 \u0915\u0930 \u0938\u0915\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0 * Not recorded.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a\u0938\u0947 \u0928\u093f\u0935\u0947\u0926\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e \u0914\u0930 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u0940\u092f \u092e\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0924\u093f \u0906\u092d\u093e\u0930 \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0915\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0942\u0902\u0917\u093e\u0964 \u0938\u091a\u094d\u091a\u0930 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0947 \u092c\u093e\u0926 \u090f\u0915 \u092b\u093e\u0924\u092e\u0940 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u092d\u0940 \u0906\u0908 \u0939\u0948, \u0909\u0938\u0940 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u0940 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094b\u0930\u094d\u091f \u0939\u0948, \u0907\u0928\u094d\u0939\u094b\u0902\u0928\u0947 \u0909\u0938\u0947 \u0938\u094d\u091f\u0921\u0940 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0907\u0938\u0932\u093f\u090f \u0909\u0938 \u0915\u092e\u0947\u091f\u0940 \u0915\u094b \u092d\u0940 \u0907\u092e\u094d\u092a\u094d\u0932\u0940\u092e\u0947\u0902\u091f \u0915\u0930\u0947\u0902 \u0914\u0930 \u0928\u093f\u0936\u094d\u091a\u093f\u0924 \u0924\u094c\u0930 \u092a\u0930 \u0936\u0948\u0915\u094d\u0937\u0923\u093f\u0915 \u092a\u093f\u091b\u0921\u093c\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u091c\u094b \u092e\u0941\u0938\u0932\u092e\u093e\u0928 \u0932\u094b\u0917 \u0939\u0948\u0902, \u0916\u093e\u0938 \u0924\u094c\u0930 \u092a\u0930 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0930\u093e\u0937\u094d\u091f\u094d\u0930 \u0915\u0940 \u092e\u0941\u0916\u094d\u092f \u0927\u093e\u0930\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u094b\u0921\u093c\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u0906\u092a \u0914\u0930 \u0906\u0917\u0947 \u092c\u0922\u093c\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0907\u0938 \u092c\u093f\u0932 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u0930\u094d\u0925\u0928 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0941\u090f \u0905\u092a\u0928\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0924 \u0938\u092e\u093e\u092a\u094d\u0924 \u0915\u0930\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p> 18.44 hrs  <\/p>\n<p>(Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair)  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20C.K.%20CHANDRAPPAN%20\">SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=TRICHUR\">TRICHUR<\/a>): Sir, we support this Bill and I must make it very clear that the Left Parties take a position of supporting the minority\u2019s cause.\u00a0 It is not that we are treating them as a vote bank or anything.\u00a0 It is out of conviction that in a secular and democratic country, the minority communities should enjoy the rights that are bestowed upon them by the Constitution.[R77]\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>While we are discussing this Bill, let me just mention that the Government agreed for appointing the Sachar Committee and the Committee brought out a very good Report, but the Report has never been discussed in Parliament. Now, if the recommendations of the Report were to be implemented properly and the spirit of the Report is to guide the Government at the Centre as well as at the States, then it should have been necessary that the Government should have taken interest to see that it was discussed in Parliament. It was listed for discussion but the House could not discuss it. Since tomorrow or the day after, this Fourteenth Lok Sabha comes to an end, we are sure that we are not going to get an opportunity to discuss that Report.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20MADHUSUDAN%20MISTRY%20\">SHRI MADHUSUDAN MISTRY <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SABARKANTHA\">SABARKANTHA<\/a>): We all are going to be there in the 15th Lok Sabha\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20DEPUTY-SPEAKER\">MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Please do not interrupt.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20C.K.%20CHANDRAPPAN%20\">SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: Sir, I take it in the right spirit. But it was a failure on the part of the Government.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: 7.00 \u092c\u091c\u0947 \u0924\u0915 \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u092c\u0922\u093c\u093e\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0941\u0906 \u0939\u0948, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f 7.00 \u092c\u091c\u0947 \u0924\u0915 \u0907\u0938\u0947 \u0916\u0924\u094d\u092e \u0915\u0930 \u0932\u0947\u0902\u0964\u00a0 That will be good. The hon. Members are requested to give their suggestions only.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20C.K.%20CHANDRAPPAN%20\">SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: It was a serious mistake on the part of the Government that the Report was not discussed in Parliament. That would have done some good.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, now coming to the provisions of the Bill I would like to submit that all the amendments are good except that aspect that amendment which stipulates doing away with consultations. I can understand the difficulty of the Government. Probably, many States are putting a hindrance and the Government wants to get out of that kind of a situation. This is another aspect that in the name of minority, using the name of minority education is being successfully made into a big industry by certain people. Since we are discussing an issue relating to minority education, how can the Government ignore this? This fact cannot be ignored. If I remember correctly, in the original Bill neither consultation nor consent was there. After a long discussion the Government agreed to the idea that consultation could be introduced. That does not mean that if consultation and consent are there, that is a different thing. We are not asking for inclusion of consent, but consultation is a democratic process. Though we are living in a democratic society, yet we have serious differences with certain Parties in power who might take an obstructionist attitude. Consultation should be done and finally the decision is with the Commission.\u00a0 I would request the Government to consider this issue. Let there be consultation. It is in the spirit of federalism. I am not going to speak about the federal character of the State and its parameters but it would be understood that in a federal State, an Act should not be such that it would dispense with consultation.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, since you are in the Chair, I am sure you would agree with me.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20DEPUTY-SPEAKER\">MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: I try to accommodate everybody to the best of my ability. But sometimes I have my own limitations.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20C.K.%20CHANDRAPPAN%20\">SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: Sir, it is not a question of accommodating. It is already there in the Concurrent List. This aspect should be seriously thought about before the hon. Minister finally asks for the consent of the House to pass this Bill.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20SANTOSH%20GANGWAR%20\">SHRI SANTOSH GANGWAR <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=BAREILLY\">BAREILLY<\/a>): Why are you not opposing the Bill?\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20C.K.%20CHANDRAPPAN%20\">SHRI C.K. CHANDRAPPAN <\/a>: We will not oppose it. We are requesting the Government to re-consider this particular aspect.\u00a0 Thank you. 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Deputy-Speaker, Sir, we are discussing the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions (Amendment) Bill, 2009.\u00a0 It intends to just amend Section 2.\u00a0 In the Bill it is said:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn section 2 of the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions Act, 2004 (hereinafter referred to as the principal Act), for clause (g), the following clause shall be substituted.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>So, only (<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=g%29%20is%20being%20substituted.%C2%A0%20It%20says\">g) is being substituted.\u00a0 It says<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201c(g) \u201cMinority Educational Institutions\u201d means a college or an educational institution established and administered by a minority or minorities.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=The%20amendment%20of%20section%2012%20B%20is\">The amendment of section 12 B is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn section 12B of the principal Act, in sub-section (4), the words \u201cand in consultation with the State Government\u201d shall be omitted.\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>So, it is not for minority students.\u00a0 It is also not in accordance with the recommendations of the Sachar Committee.\u00a0 I do not know whether the hon. Members supporting the Bill are reading it or not.\u00a0This is meant for the business in the name of the minorities.\u00a0 This is to start colleges. \u2026 (Interruptions) This is just to allow the minorities to start colleges in higher education.\u00a0 This is nothing else.\u00a0\u00a0This is not for the welfare of the minorities.\u00a0 Can the hon. Minister assure that in these institutions either fifty per cent or sixty per cent or seventy per cent of the minority students will be admitted?\u00a0 Is there any such provision in this?\u00a0 There is no such provision in this. This amendment is only to allow them to do some business.\u00a0 There is nothing in this for the welfare of the minorities.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is universally acknowledged that key to progress of any group, whether it be any caste, community or gender, is education.\u00a0 Education is necessary for minorities and others.\u00a0 The rights of minorities are guaranteed under the provisions of article 30 of the Constitution.\u00a0 The objectives of the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions are contained in section 3 and section 11 of the NCMEI Act, 2004.\u00a0 Everything is mentioned.\u00a0 So, we are not discussing that thing.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Insofar as the education of the Muslims are concerned, who are one of the major minorities of our country, according to Sachar Committee Report, the dropout rate is 25 per cent;\u00a0 seventeen per cent are matriculates and only six per cent are graduates.\u00a0 So, what to talk about IIMs and other higher technical education?\u00a0 For example, only 63 Muslim out of 4,4743 students had taken admission in IIMs.\u00a0 The recruitment of minorities is also only 8.65 per cent.\u00a0We are concerned with these things.\u00a0The Government should consider all these things.[MSOffice79]\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p> 19.00 hrs.  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Government should consider for the upliftment and better education of the minorities.\u00a0 But your amendment is not meant for this thing. Your amendment is just to facilitate the high and rich people of the minorities to go for business and nothing else.\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%C2%A0%20\">\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f\u00a0 <\/a>: \u0939\u093e\u0909\u0938 \u0915\u093e \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0938\u093e\u0924 \u092c\u091c\u0947 \u0924\u0915 \u092c\u0922\u093c\u093e\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0925\u093e\u0964 \u0938\u093e\u0924 \u092c\u091c \u091a\u0941\u0915\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>THE MINISTER OF OVERSEAS INDIAN AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI VAYALAR RAVI): The discussions on this Bill can be completed today and the Minister can reply tomorrow.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A7%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%20%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%AF%20\">\u0909\u092a\u093e\u0927\u094d\u092f\u0915\u094d\u0937 \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f <\/a>: \u0939\u092e\u093e\u0930\u0947 \u092a\u093e\u0938 \u0938\u093f\u0930\u094d\u092b \u0926\u094b \u092e\u0947\u0902\u092c\u0930\u094d\u0938 \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0915\u0947 \u0932\u093f\u090f \u092c\u093e\u0915\u0940 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0909\u0928\u0915\u094b \u0926\u094b-\u0926\u094b \u092e\u093f\u0928\u091f \u0938\u0941\u0928 \u0932\u0947\u0924\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0930\u093f\u092a\u094d\u0932\u093e\u0908 \u0915\u0932 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940\u0964\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Minister will reply tomorrow.\u00a0 The House is extended for two more Members to speak.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BRAJA%20KISHORE%20TRIPATHY%20\">SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: All are not right about Madrassas to call them institutions of social services and humanism is perhaps too much.\u00a0 So,\u00a0 Government must take care of the students who are enrolled in Madrasas.\u00a0 They must be taught other modern subjects; otherwise how can they be qualified in this present world?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, they have issued certificates after the enactment of Act of 2004.\u00a0 The total number of minority status certificates issued by the National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions during 2005-07 is 825. Hon. Minister can apprise us the number of other certificates issued by this Commission during the year 2008.\u00a0 They have issued No Objection Certificates to about 825 institutions.\u00a0 How many students of minority communities are admitted in these institutions?\u00a0 I hope the hon. Minister can apprise us so that we will be able to know whether there is some reservation.\u00a0\u00a0 \u2026 (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20DEPUTY-SPEAKER\">MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: You are only repeating your points.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20BRAJA%20KISHORE%20TRIPATHY%20\">SHRI BRAJA KISHORE TRIPATHY <\/a>: Sir, I am just concluding within one minute.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There is some result with this amendment.\u00a0 Can education be considered complete without the students having at least the working knowledge of Mathematics and Science or in an increasingly globalized world, even English?\u00a0 I would like to know whether these institutions will teach Mathematics, Science and even the English subject to the students. Can the hon. Minister assure us?\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, lowering the education standard will be retrograde move for the students and it surely would not help these children for whom the National Educational Policy promises equality and social justice.\u00a0 So, this will not even help the students.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I will conclude within one minute.\u00a0 Even the present West Bengal Government \u2013 my Left Friends are very much arguing \u2013 is bringing an amendment to the State Education Act to curtail the powers of the Minority Educational institutions to appoint the teachers.\u00a0There is a clash between the Commission and the Government of West Bengal.\u00a0 So, by this amendment it is curtailing the powers of the States. I cannot say that the West Bengal Government is not favouring the minorities.\u00a0But I do not know as to why they are opposing.\u00a0 Because it is curtailing the powers of the States.\u00a0 Education is a State subject. This amendment will just create a pandamonion and States will oppose all these things and the entire interest will not be solved.\u00a0 So, I hope that the hon. Minister will see that the minority students will get better scope in this institution where you are giving No Objection Certificate and in this way their educational standards will also increase.\u00a0 The standards of the Madrasas educational institutions will increase as they should be equipped to cope with other sections of the society.\n<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=MR.%20DEPUTY-SPEAKER\">MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Shri Asaduddin Owaisi, you can speak for two or three minutes.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80%20%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A8%20%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%80%20\">\u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0905\u0938\u093e\u0926\u0942\u0926\u094d\u0926\u0940\u0928 \u0913\u0935\u0947\u0938\u0940 <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=%E0%A4%B9%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A6\">\u0939\u0948\u0926\u0930\u093e\u092c\u093e\u0926<\/a>) : \u00a0\u092a\u093e\u0902\u091a \u092e\u093f\u0928\u091f \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0926\u0947 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u090f \u092c\u0921\u093c\u0940 \u092e\u0947\u0939\u0930\u092c\u093e\u0928\u0940 \u0939\u094b\u0917\u0940\u0964\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, I rise to support this Bill.\u00a0 During the last 60 years of our Independence, this is the only piece of legislation that was made subsequent to Article 30 which is a Fundamental Right.\u00a0\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, the hon. Minister in his introductory remarks talked about Article 30.\u00a0He quoted about the T. M.A. Pai judgement also. .[a80]\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>I would like to point out here that Article 30, which is a fundamental right, has been diluted by the hon. Supreme Court in its various judgements \u2013 whether it is in the TMA Pai judgement or the Namdar judgement. It is very unfortunate that the Commission has never bothered to go to the Supreme Court or even this Government has never bothered to ensure that Article 30 remains a fundamental right. It remains a fundamental right only on paper. But if you read the subsequent Supreme Court judgements for the last six years, you can find that they have diluted the fundamental rights. In fact, they have gone on record and said\u00a0 that Article 30 is not a fundamental right. This in itself was the duty of the Commission because if you read the Statement of Objects and Reasons, it clearly says  <\/p>\n<p>\u201cto make recommendations to the appropriate Government for effective implementation of programmes. \u201d  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Another function is to specify the measures to\u00a0 promote and preserve the minority status and character. This has not been done. I would like to know from the hon. Minister, through you, Sir, one thing. The Annual Reports which have been given by this Commission are only for two years. What about the other two years? Those Reports have never been laid on the floor of the august House. I do not subscribe to the view that the State Government should be consulted. I subscribe to the view that it is because of the State Government\u2019s indifferent attitude towards the minorities, especially the Muslims, that the problems remain, which is the reason. That is why, the status of higher education of Muslims is very bad.\u00a0 The Sachchar Committee is to be seen. I do not feel there is need to amend that. Let this Bill be passed in toto because it is high time that we required a law which opens the avenues for minorities to open educational institutions.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Another important point\u00a0 which I would like to bring to your kind notice is the figures that have been quoted during the last three years. Only 825 institutions have got the NOC. Why such a low number is there? The Commission is not doing its work properly. When you have received 2622 and odd applications, why is it that you have given NOC to only 825? Why not all the 2000? What stopped you from doing that?\n<\/p>\n<p>The basic lacuna in the National Minorities Commission is that it only pertains to the HRD Ministry. What about Health, Medical and Dental Colleges? When this Bill was brought forward nearly four years ago, I did not move the amendment but I requested one thing. You are only giving NOC to the colleges which work under the AICTE. What about the Health Department? Why do they also not do it? Why do you want to limit this Commission\u2019s work only to your Department? This should have been brought forward. That has not been done. Moreover, I would like to know from the hon. Minister one thing. Appreciating and accepting all the amendments, I would like him to enlighten us as far as Section 10 of the Principal Act is concerned. I can understand Section 2 or 3 of the Principal Act. But why was he ready to bring Section 10? I fail to understand it. I really fail to understand why he was ready to bring forward this Section.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Lastly, when it comes to the issue of minorities, what is the definition of \u201cminority?\u201d Why has the UPA Government not brought forward a Bill to say what is the definition of minority? As a Government, why are you relying on the Supreme Court\u2019s judgment? Why do you want the Supreme Court to lead you? You are the Government. You should lead the nation. Whatever the Supreme Court is following, this Government is blindly following it. It is not the job of the Executive to blame somebody. When you commit a wrong, you should correct it. This definition of minority has been laid down by the Supreme Court. The Punjab Government does not agree to that. It is high time the definition of minorities is defined so that tomorrow we do not find all these lacunae and problems. The Supreme Court said it so and the Punjab Government has disagreed to that.\u00a0We could have codified the definition of minority. Keeping all these points in front of you, I hope that tomorrow when the hon. Minister rises to answer, I would request him once again through you, Sir, that for God\u2019s sake not to drop that thing. Let this Bill be passed in toto because it is high time the minorities get this thing.\n<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, the Commission is slack. The Commission is not doing its work properly. It is very slow. So many applications are pending with them. That has to be expedited. I hope that the hon. Minister would pressurize the Commission to go to the Supreme Court.\u00a0 If not the Supreme Court, you can bring forward a legislation. How can the Supreme Court dilute Article 30 in the TMA Pai\u2019s case or the Namdar\u2019s case? The Supreme Court has diluted Article 30. It is my college. I am opening my college for my students. I cannot give them admission. I have to rely on the State Government. Who is the State Government? Not even a single pie has been given by the State Government. Through my sweat and blood, I have formed these colleges. The Supreme Court said: \u201cYou cannot do it.\u201d What is my job? Am I a door keeper there? [R81]\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>That is the real issue. That is why I brought it to the notice of the Government. I hope the Government will take it in the right spirit and take corrective measures. Still there is some time for them to take these measures.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p>\u00a0  <\/p>\n<p><a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=SHRI%20K.%20FRANCIS%20GEORGE%20\">SHRI K. FRANCIS GEORGE <\/a>(<a class=\"marker_ref\" href=\"\/search\/?formInput=IDUKKI\">IDUKKI<\/a>): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I too rise to support this Bill. This is a Bill to amend the earlier Bill which was passed in 2004 and it was discussed threadbare in this House.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sir, from the discussion that has just taken place here, it is very clear that almost everybody agrees that all the amendments except the last one regarding whether to consult State Governments or not.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Before going into that, I was rather pained to listen to my good friend Tripathyji who said that this Bill is entirely for facilitating the business interests of the minorities. I do not understand that. In the educational field, it is an established fact that minority communities of this country have done yeoman\u2019s service. In fact, if we go through the list of educational institutions of this country, those institutions which are considered as real centres of excellence are being run by minority communities in this country mostly, not that Government institutions are not of that high standard. So, such statements that this is just to facilitate the business interests of minority communities are not correct.\n<\/p>\n<p> 19.12 hrs\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Shri Devendra Prasad Yadav in the Chair)  <\/p>\n<p>I do not understand this. Those people who criticize, people like Tripathyji, should also explain to us as to why they stand in queue to get admissions for their children and their grandchildren in these very institutions which they dub as business institutions. It is very unfortunate to make that kind of sweeping remarks. There may be black sheeps both among the minorities and the majority communities which run educational institutions or healthcare institutions, but it is very unfortunate that those kinds of comments are being made.\n<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As far as the consultation process is concerned, ours is a federal democracy. In a federal set up, it is only proper and fit that States are consulted. But at the same time, as far as the minorities are concerned, in every democracy, minorities have special rights provided in the Constitution. Our Constitution has also made special provisions for the protection and well being of the minorities and that is regarding the establishment and administration of educational institutions to protect the special character of the minorities in this country. Within the ambit of that constitutional provision States should be consulted. There has to be a time limit to get the opinion of the States and then the Commission has to take a decision within the ambit of the constitutional provision regarding the minority status of a particular institution. 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