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Lok Sabha Debates<\/div>\n
Combined Discussion On The Disapproval Of Central Vigilance … on 15 March, 1999<\/div>\n<\/p>\n
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\nTitle: Combined  discussion on the disapproval of Central Vigilance Commission Ordinance, 1999  and motion for consideration of the and Central Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998,  moved by Shri M.R. Janarthanan. <\/p>\n
1424 hrs <\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Now the House will take up Item Nos. 2l and 22 together.  First, the Statutory Resolution.\n<\/p>\n
The time allotted is two hours.\n<\/p>\n
Shri P.C. Thomas. Absent.\n<\/p>\n
Shri Basu Deb Acharia.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>(BANKURA<\/a>): Sir, the promulgation of two ordinances in  regard to conferment of statutory status to Central Vigilance Commission shows  how in a cavalier manner the Government is functioning.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, within a period of one month, two ordinances were promulgated. Was it  not a fact that the ordinance which was promulgated in the month of August was  to be lapsed and because of that another ordinance was promulgated? But here an  ordinance was promulgated and that was promulgated because of the Supreme  Court’s direction. That was given long back in the year 1997. After one year,  the Government thought to promulgate an ordinance to give Central Vigilance  Commission statutory status. But when the ordinance was promulgated we found  that a few words were deliberately deleted.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, what the Supreme Court had said in 1997 in its judgment on Vineet  Narain’s case is known as hawala case. The Supreme Court had said that the  selection for the post of Central Vigilance Commissioner shall be made by a  Committee comprising of hon. Prime Minister, the Minister of Home Affairs and  the Leader of the Opposition from a panel of outstanding civil servants and  others with impeccable integrity. This is very important. While the Government  shall remain answerable for CBI’s functioning to introduce visible objectivity  in the mechanism to be established for overviewing the CBI’s working, C.V.C.  shall be entrusted with the responsibility of superintendence over CBI’s  functioning. But when the Ordinance was promulgated — the  —————————————————————————-\n<\/p>\n
* Published in Gazette of India, extraordinary, Part-2 Section II dated  15.3.99.\n<\/p>\n
Committee will consist of the Leader of the Opposition and the C.V.C. would  be selected from a panel of outstanding civil servants and others with  impeccable integrity -these words were deleted. We have seen the reaction of one  of the members of the Cabinet, Shri Ram Jethmalani. He immediately reacted that  the draft was not shown and the ordinance was promulgated or the draft was  finalised without the knowledge of the Cabinet.\n<\/p>\n
The responsibility of preparing the draft was entrusted with the Law  Commission.\n<\/p>\n
The Law Commission prepared the draft of the Bill or the Ordinance, and  submitted it to the Cabinet. But whatever the Law Commission has suggested  there, was not implemented while drafting the Ordinance.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, regarding the Law Commission’s Report, we have seen, how this House was  kept in dark. We have discussed the Patents (Amendment) Bill on the floor of  this House. But one month before it, the Law Commission had submitted its Report  recommending to the Government very categorically that `this Report should be  sent to the Lok Sabha.’ The Law Commission sent its recommendations because they  felt it that the Patents (Amendment) Bill would be debated on the floor of the  House. If the Law Commission’s Report was debated in the House, the hon. Members  of this House would have been able to know about its recommendations because  there are certain provisions of the Amendment Bill, against which the Law  Commission also has expressed serious reservations.\n<\/p>\n
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER<\/a>: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, are you talking about the Central  Vigilance Commission?\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: Sir, I am just referring to similiar and identical  approach of the Government. This has happened also in regard to Ordinance which  was promulgated. The CVC was set up in 1964 after Shri Santanam submitted its  Report to the Government of India. What has happened during these years after  1964? The corruptions of Sixties and the corruptions of Nineties are quite  different. Sir, at that time, they felt that there should be an institution like  the CVC. There also, the Santanam Committee recommended that that institution  should be independent of the Government control. But what is our experience  during these years, after 1964? The Government exercised its control, rather had  its political influence over the CVC. As a result, the impartiality in the  action was also hampered, and there was an impact in the impartial functioning  of the Central Vigilance Commission.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, when was the first Ordnance promulgated? In 1997, the Supreme Court  issued directions to confer the statutory status to the CVC. The Government had  enough time to do so without promulgating Ordinance. But now, it has become an  Ordinance Raj. Six to seven Ordinances have come in one months’s time.\n<\/p>\n
Shri Khanduri, we have never seen earlier as to what you are resorting to,  what you are leading to nowadays. You are by-passing the Parliament. You have  promulgated the Prasar Bharati Ordinance in order to by-pass this  Parliament.\n<\/p>\n
You passed Prasar Bharati Bill here, but you did not take that Bill to Rajya  Sabha. Your main purpose to promulgate Prasar Bharati Ordinance is to remove one  person Shri Gill, but not to give it an autonomous status. That was the  intention and motive behind promulgation of Ordinance in a hurried manner.\n<\/p>\n
1436 hours (Dr. Laxminarayan Pandey in the Chair).\n<\/p>\n
Similarly, when the first Ordinance was promulgated, what was the motive or  mala fide intention of this Government? It was to remove one person, Shri  Bezbarua from the post of Enforcement Director. He was transferred without  giving any reason and by Supreme Court’s Order, Shri Bezbarua was to be brought  back again. It is our experience to see how cases of corruption which are being  looked into by the Special Court in Tamil Nadu are being transferred to the  regular court by the Central Government. Is it not interference with the State’s  affairs? I am just giving an example as to how this Government is functioning  and how they are interfering in judicial matters.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI SATYA PAL JAIN <\/a>(CHANDIGARH<\/a>): You should speak on CVC, but not on cases  like Prasara Bharati which have no relevance to the present topic.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: Shri Satya Pal Jain, you will answer to all these  matters in your reply… (Interruptions) I am just giving an example.  (Interruptions) Shri Satya Pal Jain, this is also interference.\n<\/p>\n
What did the Law Commission keep in mind while making the provisions of the  Resolution 64 for setting up of CVC? While drafting the legislation, it was  stated that the supervision of the CBI and the Directorate of Enforcement as  provided in the judgment of the Supreme Court is only additional function  directed by the court to be entrusted to the CVC. It does not mean that the  existing power and functions of CVC were taken away or intended to be scuttled  in any manner. In fact, the idea is to strengthen this institution by giving it  a statutory character and entrusting some more functions to it.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: It is for this purpose of rendering CVC as an  effective, fair and competent organ that the court had taken the trouble of  giving the aforementioned specific direction. I have already mentioned about it.  One of the main objectives behind giving statutory basis to CVC is to get it  free from administrative or other control of any Ministry or any other power or  body.\n<\/p>\n
When this was first promulgated, Supreme Court had to interfere.\n<\/p>\n
Then, within a gap of one month, another Ordinance was promulgated in order  to rectify what the Government did in the first Ordinance. Is there any need for  the promulgation of an Ordinance? After the Supreme Court gave its direction in  1995, this Government appointed an independent review committee. That committee  also submitted its report.\n<\/p>\n
Mr. Chairman, Sir, you may remember, we were Members of this House at the  time we discussed the Vohra Committee Report which was presented in 1993. Shri  N.N. Vohra was the Secretary of the Ministry of Home Affairs. He inquired into  the nexus between the politicians and the criminals, the mafias. That  Committee’s Report was discussed here. That Committee also made certain  recommendations but since 1993, no tangible action has been taken to implement  those recommendations.\n<\/p>\n
We know that there is a nexus between the politicians, the bureaucrats and  the criminals. In order to curb this, there is a need for strengthening the  institution for an impartial and independent inquiry. For that, the promulgation  of an Ordinance was not required. The Government could have come with a Bill, in  the winter Session itself or even before that, in the Budget Session. There was  enough time to bring a regular Bill but the Government has not brought it.\n<\/p>\n
From the promulgation of the first Ordinance, the intention of the Government  was clear. It was that the Government does not want to strengthen this  institution; it does not want to implement the direction of the Supreme Court in  letter and spirit. This is why, I oppose this Ordinance and I oppose this type  of an attempt of the Government to bypass Parliament and the Supreme Court.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: It was done deliberately and I object to that.\n<\/p>\n
>THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC  GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE  (BANKING, REVENUE AND INSURANCE) (SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN): Sir, I beg to  move:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill to provide for the constitution of a Central Vigilance  Commission to inquire or cause inquiries to be conducted into offences alleged  to have been committed under the Prevention of Corruption Act, 1988 by certain  categories of public servants of the Central Government, corporations  established by or under any Central Act, Government companies, societies and  local authorities owned or controlled by the Central Government and for matters  connected therewith or incidental thereto, be taken into consideration.”\n<\/p>\n
Mr. Chairman, Sir, the main object of this Bill is to eradicate corruption in  public life. This is an attempt by this new Government for the first time in  Indian history. Therefore, I hope that the comrade will accept that. …  (Interruptions) Hon. Members, do you accept the purpose of the Bill or not? The  purpose of the Bill is to clean the public life. You have spoken as a lawyer. I  am not a lawyer but I am only a common man’s representative.\n<\/p>\n
The Supreme Court has issued the direction on 18.12.1997. The Gujral  Government decided to implement the orders in January, 1998. Then, the  Government decided on 7.4.1998 to implement the order, according to the Court  direction and gave it to the Law Commission. The then CVC resigned with effect  from 9.8.1998 and it became necessary to pass an Ordinance. These matters have  been elaborated in the explanation for bringing an Ordinance. All these aspects  have been explained.\n<\/p>\n
The Law Commission’s Report was received by this Cabinet; there was also a  Cabinet meeting and then only, it was done. Further, this Bill was passed on the  7th December and the House wanted it to be referred to the Departmentally  Related Standing Committee. As per the wishes of the House, it was referred to  the Departmentally Related Standing Committee and the Committee was requested to  submit its report before the 16th December; but it was not done and it was  submitted only on the 25th February 1999. Therefore, the re-issuance of the  Ordinance had become necessary and therefore, the Government’s aim and purpose  are clear.\n<\/p>\n
Our Comrade Shri Basu Deb Acharia has said something about corruption in some  States. I would say that corruption is not prevalent only in one State.  Corruption in public life is there right from the days of Shri T.T.  Krishnamachary, right from the days of Shri Nehru and Shrimati Indira Gandhi.  Corruption is there even in Japan and America. Comrade Acharia was talking about  international politics. He wanted to mention about a friend who is sitting in  the Southern end of Tamil Nadu.\n<\/p>\n
I would only say that the present Bill would only strengthen the Central  Vigilance Commission, as I explained. This Bill was introduced in this House on  the 7th December, 1998.\n<\/p>\n
I had given notice to speak in Tamil also. When I want to speak about bribery  and corruption, I want to speak in my language Tamil, my mother tongue.\n<\/p>\n
I hail from a party that has committed itself to keep bribery and corruption  and to eradicate it without giving any scope. I come from a party that has never  yielded to corruption or bribery. I am representing All India Anna Dravida  Munnetra Kazhagam founded by our late lamented leader Dr. Puratchi Thalaivi. We  all know what the Press had written about us when we forged an alliance with BJP  during the elections. Many people said many things about our bold decision.\n<\/p>\n
The Central Vigilance Commission Bill to eradicate corruption brought forward  by the BJP coalition Government is a landmark in the national history of  India.\n<\/p>\n
After its introduction, the Central Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 was  referred to the Departmently-Related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home  Affairs, under the Chairmanship of Shri Pranab Mukherjee, for examination and  report. The Committee had detailed discussions on this Bill. After such detailed  discussions, the Standing Committee presented its 51st Report on the Central  Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 to the Parliament on 25th February, 1999.\n<\/p>\n
The Central Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 contains 27 Clauses. The Standing  Committee has adopted 21 Clauses without any change. In respect of the other six  Clauses, the Standing Committee recommended or proposed principal changes. After  examination of these six Clauses, the Government has accepted the  recommendations or proposed changes in respect of five Clauses made by the  Standing Committee.\n<\/p>\n
The Standing Committee directed the Government to take a decision on their  suggestion that `in the Bill, at all places where the CVC is empowered to  supervise the work of CBI or give instructions to CBI, etc., the provision  should be in respect of verification, inquiries and investigations conducted by  the CBI and not merely one or two of these.’ The Government has examined this  suggestion of the Committee and it has not been found feasible to accept this  suggestion for the reason that since the scope of formal inquiries or  verification of facts by the police before registration of a regular case and  the scope of the powers exercisable by the police for that purpose are neither  defined under the Cr.P.C. nor they are statutorily recognized.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, I may submit here that necessary notice of official amendments in the  light of the recommendations made by the Standing Committee to the Central  Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 has already been circulated. The Central  Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 could not be taken into consideration by this  House as the report of the Standing Committee on Home Affairs was awaited. In  the meantime, the validity of the earlier two Ordinances issued by the President  was expiring and it became necessary to promulgate the Central Vigilance  Commission Ordinance, 1999 (No.4 of 1999) on 8th January, 1999 in order to give  continued effect to the validity of the provisions of the Central Vigilance  Commission Bill, 1998.\n<\/p>\n
With the change in the Enacting Formula and the year, for which an official  amendment has already been moved, the title of the Bill will become the Central  Vigilance Commission Bill, 1999. The Bill has to be passed by both the Houses of  Parliament by 18th March, 1999 and assented to by the President before April 4,  1999 when the validity of the Central Vigilance Commission Ordinance 1998 would  expire. In view of the urgency involved in the matter, Mr. Chairman, I urge the  hon. Members to unanimously pass the aforesaid Bill along with the proposed  official amendment.\n<\/p>\n
With these words, I request that the Bill may be considered and passed  unanimously along with the proposed official amendment. I request the hon.  Member to withdraw his objection. The Bill seeks to remove corruption in public  life. So, it should be passed unanimously. It is a record Bill in the history of  Parliament, which speaks for purification of not only politicians but also the  bureaucrats who are acting above the Executive.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : Motions moved<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That this House disapproves of the Central Vigilance Commission Ordinance,  1999 (No.4 of 1999) promulgted by the President on 8th January, 1999.”\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill to provide for the constitution of a Central Vigilance  Commission to inquire or cause inquiries to be conducted into offences alleged  to have been committed under the Prevention of Corruption Act, 1988 by certain  categories of public servants of the Central Government, corporations  established by or under any Central Act, Government companies, societies and  local authorities owned or controlled by the Central Government and for matters  connected therewith or incidental thereto, be taken into consideration.”\n<\/p>\n
>SHRI K.S. RAO <\/a>(MACHILIPATNAM<\/a>): Sir, I have gone through the Bill  as also the actions of the BJP Government in the last year. I have heard the  comments made by the Minister and I appreciate his pious intention to eradicate  corruption from the public life. The Minister was telling the House that it is  this Government which has intiated steps to bring about a CVC. It is not  correct. As early as 1964, the then Government expressed its intention and  brought the Commission into existence. All that the present Government has done  is to bring a statutory authority to the Commission but on the same line. In  fact, there is a change also, which was made either intentionally or  un-intentionally, by the present Government, incorporating an amendment in the  first Ordinance to include the Secretary of the Personnel as ex-officio Member  of the Commission by which the entire purpose is lost. The very purpose of this  Commission is to check corruption at the higher levels. But if the people who  are its Members are intrumental for making the lacunae in the Bill, the Bill  will not be implemented in true spirit if the Authorities were to be negligent  and allow it to be passed like this. I do not know whether it was the intention  of the Government to dilute the CVC by making the Secretary as its ex-officio  Member. I do not know whether it has been done intentionally or un-intentionally  or some of the Members of the ruling party wanted it to be done. I do not know  whether the Government has played in the hands of the Bureaucrats or the  Bureaucrats are taking advantage of the inexperienced Government in handling  them properly. The general impression among the country men is that this  Government is being played by the bureaucrats who are playing a role both in  making the Act and in making the provisions in such a manner…  (Interruptions) \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0936\u094d\u092f\u093e\u092e \u092c\u093f\u0939\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u092e\u093f\u0936\u094d\u0930 : \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940  \u0927\u093e\u0930\u0923\u093e \u0906\u091c \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0940 \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u0927\u093e\u0930\u0923\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n
SHRI K.S. RAO <\/a>: It may be true in your opinion. My perceptions are my own.  You cannot dispute with my perceptions. I am not saying it off-hand. I am also  elected by the people as you are. \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0936\u094d\u092f\u093e\u092e \u092c\u093f\u0939\u093e\u0930\u0940 \u092e\u093f\u0936\u094d\u0930 : \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0906\u092a \u092a\u0930  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u0936\u094d\u0928\u091a\u093f\u0928\u094d\u0939 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0932\u0917\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902, \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0926\u0947\u0936 \u0915\u0940 \u091c\u0928\u0924\u093e \u0915\u0940 \u092d\u093e\u0935\u0928\u093e \u0915\u094b  \u092c\u0924\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0915\u0947.\u090f\u0938. \u0930\u093e\u0935 : \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0935\u0939\u0940 \u092c\u0924\u093e \u0930\u0939\u093e  \u0939\u0942\u0902\u0964\n<\/p>\n
The opinions may vary. Your perception may vary from my perception. We are  here to discuss our perceptions. This is democracy.\n<\/p>\n
So, my hon. colleague, please do not think that your perceptions only are the  perceptions of the entire countrymen. Please do not be under that impression or  illusion.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, one thing we cannot but appreciate is that this Act that is meant to  prevent the corruption. As we all know, major evil that is confronting today is  corruption and more particularly corruption at the higher levels.\n<\/p>\n
Today people are thinking that there is no action for the greatest crimes  committed at the highest level whether it is by bureaucrat or by politician or  by some official. At the lowest level, if a bus conductor delays the repayment  of change after charging for the ticket, immediately he is caught red-handed and  punished. Sometimes he is even dismissed from the service and his family is on  the road. While a man at the lowest level is punished on the pretext of  corruption and for not paying a small change of less than one rupee, people who  are at the helm of affairs go scot free on some pretext or the other. Sometimes  they use some lacunae in the Acts or take advantage of the well placed persons  in the Government or other authorities. People’s faith in the legislations and  the Government is going down. So, the major thing is that a definite interest  has to be taken by the authorities concerned in not entrusting this job merely  to the bureaucrats and entirely depending on them. They must do something  more.\n<\/p>\n
In this case itself it is surprising that the Government has made two  ordinances within a short spell. In these two ordinances their own Cabinet  Minister says that the concerned bureaucrats have played with the Government. It  is quite unfortunate to hear from member of the Cabinet that the concerned  bureaucrat has played a role in preventing the Act to be effectively implemented  tomorrow. I do not think enough action has been taken against the concerned.  Here itself it is visible that the Government is not acting effectively. What  signal will go to the people at the lower level when every citizen would come to  know that even at the time of making the Act itself, the Government could not  control, contain and rectify the intensions and minds of the bureaucrats who are  involved in this. That is a major problem.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, several Acts have been made in the last 50 years or even more. But it is  not only the Act, but the intensions of the authorities in making the Act also  is very important. In this particular case while I appreciate the hon. Minister  that his intensions are to prevent corruption in the public life, the provisions  made in it do not indicate it totally.\n<\/p>\n
Many eminent citizens and experts have expressed their opinion in the  newspapers that the major thing which is required is that the nominated members,  the Chief Vigilance Commissioner or the Vigilance Commissioner, should have  impeccable integrity. Whatever be the experience and whatever be the knowledge,  the Vigilance Commissioners should have total integrity, and unquestionable  integrity. Not only that, they should have courage and some conviction so that  they cannot be played by any official or any well placed man including the  Cabinet Ministers in the Government. They should be able to perform their duty.  So, naturally the point of impeccable integrity should be kept in this Act.  Today if you see this Act and many other Acts where integrity is incorporated  and where we see quality of the persons who are selected the very meaning of the  integrity is not being believed by anybody.\n<\/p>\n
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Sir, in this aspect, I wish that the hon. Minister should incorporate the  word `impeccable’ or `unquestionable integrity’ in selecting at least the  Commissioners. As I told you earlier, knowing fully that the bureaucrats are  responsible for all this, Clause 3(1) says “provided from amongst the Central  Vigilance Commissioner and the Vigilance Commissioners not more than three  persons shall belong to the category of persons”. That means the Chief Vigilance  Commissioner can be selected tomorrow. The same bureaucrats who are responsible  for all these will once again play a key role. The fourth one cannot play the  key role. So, I am of the opinion that it must be at least 50:50. It must not be  balanced in favour of certain people. So, I request the hon. Minister to  consider whether it can be two persons and not three persons of any category. I  am saying this with all the experience that we had in the last several years and  to prevent the same people who are responsible for all these lacunae in not  implementing the Act properly. I would request him to see whether he can reduce  the number or not.\n<\/p>\n
Similarly, coming to Clause 17, after making all the inquiries, what is the  authority of the Commissioner? Invariably, the job of the Commissioner is to  investigate the cases only which are referred to them by the institutions. It  means not all the fraudulent and corrupt cases are referred to them. Whenever a  case is referred to the CVC, obviously it must be a very serious case.  Obviously, the case is such where the persons concerned do require punishment.  In that particular case, after going through the details of inquiries and  investigations made by the respective organisations, if the advice given by the  Commission was not to be implemented totally, then it remains only an advice. In  that case, what is the role of the CVC?\n<\/p>\n
Clause 8(1)(d) refers to the review of the progress of the investigation.  Similar is the case with Clause 8 (e) and (f). Sub-clause (f) says `to tender  advice to the Central Government’. It is only to advice the Central Government  or the Corporation. After the advice, what is the provision?\n<\/p>\n
Clause 17(2) says<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“The Central Government and the Corporations established by or under any  Central Act, Government Companies, societies and local authorities owned or  controlled by the Government, as the case may be, shall consider the advice by  the Commission and take appropriate action.”\n<\/p>\n
When the case is already investigated by the internal vigilance or by the  respective departments, and when they fail to take action on the party, only  then it is referred to the CVC and when the advice is given back to the  institution, they are once again at liberty to do whatever they feel proper.  Then, what is the role or purpose of the CVC? Is it to waste more time? When a  person has committed fraud, the respective institution has not taken action, the  inquiry is conducted for years together and finally referred to the CVC which  takes another couple of years, the respective official retires ultimately. Then,  what type of action can be taken? So, the intention of the Act is not to further  delay the action to be taken and prevent corruption. It is further delayed and  sees that he goes scot free.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, I once again request the hon. Minister to make it compulsory on the part  of the institution to implement the advice of the CVC because we are saying that  CVC also has persons of unquestionable integrity, men with courage and  conviction. Such persons are there as Commissioners. When they are going into  the entire investigation made by the investigating authorities and come to the  conclusion that certain action has to be taken and when it is not implemented  and remains as only an advice leaving the decision once again to the  institution, then no further action will be taken at all.\n<\/p>\n
In this connection, I would like to say that any Act that we make must  motivate a right man, and create fear and nervousness among the people who are  doing fraudulent acts.\n<\/p>\n
As a Member of a Parliamentary Committee, I visited one of the banking  institutions in Bombay. Almost every bank and every institution said the same  thing when we put a question. We asked them why several crores of rupees were  lying unutilised with the financial institutions which are meant to be utilised  for productive purposes, they said that they did not have borrowers. We felt  very sorry about that and asked why it was so. We also pointed out that a lot of  people are coming to the institutions for borrowing money to start some  industries and even farmers, traders or small skilled workers go to the  institutions to borrow money. They said that suppose they give loan to someone  today with fair intention and tomorrow or after some years, if he fails to pay  back, then, immediately the CVC comes into play and they have to lose their job.  The first demand of the officers of all the institutions was that they should be  taken out of the purview of the CVC. Here, the problem is coming.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>:Shri Rao, the allotted time is only two hours. Many Members are  there to speak. Please keep this fact in mind.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI K.S. RAO <\/a>: I am a very rule abiding Member. I am not like other Members  whom you permit under force. I am not of that kind. Kindly tell me in how many  minutes I should complete. Always, I abide by the direction of the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please try to finish.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI K.S. RAO : Coming to my point, they said that the CVC, which is the  highest institution of the country, must not go into the acts of Class-II and  Class-III officers but it must certainly be limited to the major culprits at the  highest level. If corruption is free from the highest level, automatically it  will be cleaned at the lowest level. So, we have to send a signal that no matter  however well-placed they are, they will be punished and if they are punished,  the purpose is served. So, I request the Government to once again limit the  operations of the CVC only to a level of officers as the Minister himself has  said it in the Bill. But he has said: “…as decided by the Government at  regular intervals.” Instead of that, we can categorise and say that up to this  particular level, the CVC will act and have the power to investigate matters.  The rest of the matters can be left to the other authorities.\n<\/p>\n
I come to the next point. If the head of a bank or an institution, say the  Chairman and Managing Director, does not take action against a person or officer  who is working under him, then sack that CMD. If you do that, automatically the  rest of the CMDs will be in order. They will make a right judgement and take  action against the erring persons. On the other hand, if a person who has not  done a crime intentionally and if he has done it by chance because of the  decisions of the Government, because of the change in the rules, regulations or  due to sluggish economy or for some other reasons, if there is a failure on the  part of the people to pay, in that event it should be the duty of the CMD to  safeguard the officer. The CVC can later say that he went into the details and  found that the officer is not responsible for that. If the CVC found that it is  the CMD who is really responsible for not taking right action against the real  culprit, as I said earlier, sack the CMD. So, I would request the Minister to  limit the authority only to certain levels and not dilute it. Ultimately, if no  action is taken, no purpose would be served. Coming to the present Government’s  case, the hon. Minister has expressed his intention to prevent it. But the  action of the present Government in regard to the transfer of Shri Bezbaruah,  the then Enforcement Director, is known to the entire country. It was quite  visible and everybody felt that an officer who had got some integrity and  conviction in taking action against the culprits was removed. Later, at the  instance of the Supreme Court only, he was brought back. But still they said  that it was not their intention to shift him. After some time, once again, they  transferred him. Obviously the intentions of the present Government are not  clear in regard to prevention of corruption. One signal is enough. If the  Director of Enforcement, who had got reputation and who proved that he was a  competent person and went virtually by the rules, was shifted and threatened,  what signal would go across the country?\n<\/p>\n
No number of such Acts will change the opinion of the people of the country  and will serve the purpose of the Act. I request the Government not to repeat  such things and create an impression that they are not clear in their mind.\n<\/p>\n
One thing which is visible is that in almost every party, which includes the  major parties also, the sole intention is only to come to power. The sole  intention, of course, is to secure votes. To secure votes, they are prepared to  go out of the way and lose the values. Erosion of values is hampering and  creating havoc in the nation. So, those values have to be protected.\n<\/p>\n
I appeal once again to all the parties that they must sit together and make a  code of conduct instead of making these Bills. They have the moral  responsibility to see that below this it should not be accepted. These are the  minimum rules and regulations that have to be there; only then these Acts will  be of use. I humbly request the hon. Minister once again to see that by real  implementation, such actions are not repeated. Keeping all this in mind I am of  the opinion that this Act is not equipped with all the provisions that prevent  corruption necessarily at the higher level.\n<\/p>\n
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“On ceasing to hold office, the Central Vigilance Commissioner and every  other Vigilance Commissioner shall be ineligible for – ”\n<\/p>\n
1523 hrs. (Shri Basu Deb Acharia in the Chair) <\/p>\n
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“(d) is, in the opinion of the President, unfit to continue in office by  reason of infirmity of mind or body; or <\/p>\n
(e) has acquired such financial or other interest as is likely to affect  prejudicially his functions as a Central Vigilance Commissioner or a Vigilance  Commissioner.”\n<\/p>\n
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“If the Central Vigilance Commissioner or any Vigilance Commissioner is or  becomes in any way concerned or interested in any contract or agreement made by  or on behalf of the Government of India or participates in any way in the profit  thereof or in any profit or emoluments arising therefrom otherwise than as a  Member and in common with the other Members of an incorporated company, he  shall, for the purposes of sub-Section (1), be deemed to be guilty of  misbehaviour.”\n<\/p>\n
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Supremacy is that of the Parliament not of the Law Commission. Law Commission  has the right to have its own opinion or its point of view. \u092a\u0924\u093e \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902 \u0907\u0938 \u092e\u0941\u0932\u094d\u0915 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u0915\u092f\u093e \u0939\u094b  \u0930\u0939\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n
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What is the basic function of Parliament? The basic function is to legislate  and to frame laws for the country. I appeal to all the Members that let us  examine ourselves. Let us have introspection. Have we come up to the  expectations of our Constitution makers? Have we performed our basic duty to  legislate? How much time do we devote? How many Members are present when we  legislate the issue?… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI K.S. RAO <\/a>: Is it necessary to bring an ordinance for the Essential  Commodities Act?… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI SATYA PAL JAIN <\/a>: I ask, how many Members take interest when we legislate  the issue? In Zero Hour when the camera is there, the House is full and the  moment you discuss Bills, you have to go and search for the Members. You have to  call them and ask them to speak. Is it not a reflection on ourselves? We  criticise everybody on the earth. Do not we have any time to introspect, to  think about ourselves also? How much time are we devoting?\n<\/p>\n
As I said earlier also, it is our grace that we do not raise the issue of  Quorum whether it is `A’ Government, `B’ Government or `C’ Government. But if we  start raising the issue of Quorum, I can say with full sense of responsibility  that perhaps this House cannot function even for a single day in any week or  during any Session. That is the situation that we are facing. Let us not blame  others for that. Let us not criticise others for that because we have got  immunity. Let us think about ourselves also. Let us think about the functions  that we are performing and in what manner we are performing.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI P. UPENDRA <\/a>: What Shri Raghuvansh Prasad Singh has said is correct. The  Treasury Benches are never as empty as they are today. You should note that  point also.\n<\/p>\n
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>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>(BALASORE<\/a>): Sir, I understand the tinge of  irony in hon. Shri Satya Pal Jain’s speech when he said that why should the  Supreme Court order the Government and through the Government to the Parliament  to make a law. I also agree with his contention that there should be no  instruction by the Supreme Court to Parliament which is an independent wing. But  let us also think as to why this situation is happening in our country. It is  because, of the three pillars of democracy within the last 50 years, the  Legislature and the Executive have failed to discharge their duties. The  bureaucracy has gone out of control. I myself was an ex-bureaucrat. I know what  happens in the bureaucracy. How does the bureaucracy function? I know that the  bureaucracy has taken upon itself all the authority without any responsibility  and without any transparency. Everything that happens in the Government is  shrouded in secrecy. If you go to any office and ask for any information, they  will say that it is `secret’ and it cannot be given to you. This causes  corruption. People do not get justice from bureaucracy. The politicians are  equally corrupt. There are people like us and we are also equally corrupt and  irresponsible.\n<\/p>\n
AN HON. MEMBER<\/a>: Who say so?\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN <\/a>: This is my personal opinion. ..(Interruptions). You  are free to disagree with me. …(Interruptions). They do not get justice from  the politicians also and ultimately they go to the court. Now, court has  virtually usurped the power of the Legislature and the Executive. That is why,  it is the Judiciary which is giving the direction.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, I will not go into the details because so many hon. Members have gone  into the details of the Bill. I would like to give only some suggestions because  not much time is left.\n<\/p>\n
In hawala cases, the CBI could not come out with flying colours. It could not  charge anybody and it could not prove that any person, any political person  against whom a chargesheet was filed was actually corrupt. They could not come  out with even any foolproof case. Many people also charged that the CBI is  influenced by the political parties and political big daddies. So, the Supreme  Court said that the C.V.C. should be given the statutory powers. That is why,  the Central Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 has been brought by the Government.  This Bill has been brought in order to have superintendence over the CBI and the  E.D. on the matters of corruption. So, I support the Bill which has been brought  by the Government.\n<\/p>\n
I also know that some of the hon. Members have raised doubts about the  intention of the Government. I can say that I can never doubt the intention of  hon. Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee who is the Prime Minister of India. I can also  say that during the last one year, not a single charge of corruption has been  levelled against him or against any of his Members of the Cabinet. That is why,  I say that the intention is very clear. Nobody should doubt it.\n<\/p>\n
As far as this Bill is concerned, another point was raised by hon. Members.  The charge is, why have we deleted the phrase `person with impeccable  integrity’?\n<\/p>\n
Sir, the hon. Member, Shri Satya Pal Jain, who spoke before me, has already  narrated that the Chief Vigilance Commissioner will be appointed by no less than  the Prime Minister, the Home Minister and the Leader of the Opposition. If they  fail to select the person, who is not having an `impeccable integrity’, then I  will have to raise my hands up. Who else is there in the country to select a  better person? I think, it is a very good thing that the Leader of the  Opposition has been included; as per the instructions of the Supreme Court, he  should also be involved in the process of selecting the Chief Vigilance  Commissioner. I am very sure that when the Prime Minister, the Home Minister and  the Leader of the Opposition are there, positively, a person of `impeccable  integrity’ will be selected as the Chief Vigilance Commissioner. Such a person  has already been selected, Shri Vittal has been selected, and the way he is  performing within the last few months, I can say that he is the perfect person;  a person with `impeccable integrity’ has already been selected.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, in this country, corruption has become a `very low risk and high profit  business’. The intention is to make it `low profit and high risk business’. It  has to be done. In our country, the entire system and the entire process of  inquiry into the corruption charges has become a farce. The dilatory tactics  adopted while the inquiry is taking place and the endless adjournments that are  given to the people against whom corruption charges have been made, the process  is taking such a long time that ultimately the person against whom we are making  certain allegations of corruption, is retiring and, after that, we are unable to  take any action against him. So, my suggestion is that every inquiry should be  made time bound, and not more than two adjournments should be given in any case.  The people concerned cannot go on asking for adjournments.\n<\/p>\n
Another point is that there are certain public sector undertakings where  corruption is taking place on a large scale. They say that they do not have  enough qualified persons to investigate into the corruption charges. I would  like to suggest that they can appoint some retired persons with impeccable  integrity, who can go into the corruption charges and within a time bound  manner, they can finish the inquiry and punish the culprit.\n<\/p>\n
The Chief Vigilance Commissioner should also be allowed to confiscate the  ill-gotten money. It is a very important thing. Unless the ill-gotten money is  confiscated and unless that power is vested in the Chief Vigilance Commissioner,  we will not be able to really punish the people. In our country, you can just go  on conducting an inquiry. You say that a person has amassed money or assets  beyond his means or beyond his known sources of income. This is happening and  everybody knows that a particular person has amassed a lot of money, crores and  crores of rupees, but have we been able to confiscate it? Let us confiscate it  so that it will be a `low profit and a high risk business’, and not a `high  profit and a low risk business’ as it is happening today.\n<\/p>\n
Another suggestion of mine is that in every office, there should be a Rogues’  Gallery where the photographs of all the corrupt officers should be pasted in  front of the office so that everybody knows that, that person is corrupt and he  has swindled the money of this country.\n<\/p>\n
Shri Vittal has given a very good suggestion that there should be no  post-tender negotiation on any contract in any public sector undertaking.  Post-tender negotiations are the main source of corruption. Tenders are floated;  contractors file their papers and on the specified day, in the presence of  everybody, the tenders are opened. Everybody comes to know who quoted what rate.  Then, why should there be post-tender negotiation with anybody in this regard?  By following this method, are we not allowing people to resort to corrupt  practices and deny the contract to the person who has quoted the lowest rate? By  resorting to post-tender negotiation method, in a way we are disallowing the  contract to a person whose quotation is the lowest and giving it, after taking a  bribe, to someone whose rate is much higher.Sir, the level of corruption  in the country has gone up very high. Once upon a time in Orissa, corruption  took place in the Sirajuddin mining case. At that time the Minister took a bribe  of only Rs.15,000 and yet that incident shook the entire country. Hundreds and  hundreds of crores of rupees are being swindled now and yet it does not shake  anybody; it does not shake the conscience of the nation! The most important  thing to do today is to raise the level of intolerance among the people towards  corruption.\n<\/p>\n
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Sir, it all depends on the person who is appointed to a post. We never knew  how powerful the Election Commission could be before Shri T.N. Seshan was  appointed as the Chief Election Commissioner. Till then we thought that it was a  run of the mill organisation without any power. Once Shri T.N. Seshan became the  Chief Election Commissioner, he changed the entire scenario of elections in  India. Now everybody knows the Election Commission to be a very powerful  organisation. That is why I say that it all depends on the person who becomes  the Central Vigilance Commissioner. On the person who is appointed to this post,  it depends whether the people will have a crisis of faith in the system or they  will have faith in the system and believe that it can give them justice.\n<\/p>\n
With these words, I conclude.\n<\/p>\n
>SHRI P. UPENDRA <\/a>(VIJAYAWADA<\/a>): Mr. Chairman, Sir, this Bill has  taken a very circuitous route before it came for consideration and proved that  the style of the present Government is to issue Ordinance after Ordinance. It  has become the practice of the Government to issue an Ordinance before a Bill is  brought. An Ordinance to nullify the effect of an Ordinance is a very rare  phenomenon in the Parliamentary history and this Government is indulging in this  practice.\n<\/p>\n
Similarly, in regard to this Bill also an Ordinance was promulgated first and  another Ordinance came again. Then the Supreme Court had to make certain  comments and raised certain objections in regard to certain provisions of the  Bill. Ultimately, the Bill has come here for the consideration of the House  after the Standing Committee has cleared it.\n<\/p>\n
Sir, we all know that corruption, of all varieties, is all-pervasive and it  is eating into the vitals of the nation. Any attempt to curb this, if not to  eliminate this, is welcome.\n<\/p>\n
1600 hours (Prof. Rita Verma in the Chair) <\/p>\n
1600 hrs. <\/p>\n
The institution of CVC was created in 1964 in pursuance of the  recommendations of the Santhanam Committee and after several years, in 1997 an  independent review committee was appointed to suggest measures for strengthening  this institution. ..(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>(PROF. RITA VERMA<\/a>): Please maintain some order in the House.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI P. UPENDRA <\/a>(VIJAYAWADA<\/a>): One of the major recommendations of the review  committee was to give statutory status to the CVC. It also suggested that CVC  should be responsible for the efficient functioning of the CBI. The Supreme  Court also observed in December, 1997 that the CVC should be given statutory  status. Therefore, this Bill gives statutory status to the Chief Vigilance  Commission which is now a multi-member Commission.\n<\/p>\n
We are all aware that mere creation of mere institutions would not curb the  menace of corruption. But it would definitely act as a deterrent against  corruption and the corrupt people. Whenever we create such institutions, they  should inspire confidence in the people that they will be effective in achieving  the purpose for which they are created. Keeping that in view, I raise some  issues for the consideration of the hon. Minister and the Government and  probably they may have to bring another Amendment Bill in course of time after  seeing the working of the multi-member Commission.\n<\/p>\n
The first point is, it is a five-Member Commission, that is, the Chief  Vigilance Commissioner plus four Vigilance Commissioners. But the Chief  Vigilance Commissioner has been given a tenure of four years whereas the  Vigilance Commissioners are given only three years. The hon. Minister should  explain the rationale for this, why some Members of the Commission are given  only three years and the Chief is given a four year tenure.\n<\/p>\n
Another deficiency in this institution is they are not equipped with  sufficient staff to undertake the work entrusted to them. They have to depend on  several agencies to carry out their work and unless the CVC is equipped with  sufficient staff of its own, it will not be able to perform its work. …  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Please hear the hon. Member. It is a serious matter.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI P. UPENDRA <\/a>: There is also one point which has to be considered. The  various Ministries of the Government of India at various levels have got their  own vigilance set up. But only the officers belonging to that Ministry are  acting as Vigilance Officers and I doubt very much whether the officers  inquiring into the misdeeds of their colleagues can be objective in dealing with  corruption cases. Therefore, my suggestion is that these officers should be  appointed by the CVC in various Government Departments. If not at every level,  at least the top man in the Ministry or Department could be an outsider dealing  with corruption cases. For example, when some of us made a complaint against one  high official, a Commissioner of one Department, we have received a letter  asking us to produce evidence by a Deputy Commissioner acting as a Vigilance  Officer in the same Department.\n<\/p>\n
How can a Deputy Commissioner in that Department inquire into the charges  against his superior officer, who is the Commissioner, and deal with it  objectively?\n<\/p>\n
Clause 17 provides that the Ministries concerned or the public undertakings  concerned can disagree with the recommendations of the CVC. This is a very  pernicious provision. As pointed out by my colleague Shri K.S. Rao, the CVC is  equipped with many powers. After several months of inquiry, they come to a  conclusion. So, how can you allow the Ministries or the public undertakings to  disagree with the recommendations and write back to the CVC that they do not  agree with the CVC’s recommendations? This may find place in the Annual Report  of the CVC, which would come before Parliament, but that is not enough. This is  an escape route for all the corrupt people. They can manage it in the Ministry  to ensure that the Ministry does not agree with the recommendation of the CVC.  Therefore, I think, this provision requires an amendment.\n<\/p>\n
Previously, every case dealt with by the CVC had to be referred to the UPSC  for its final opinion. It was understandable at that time because the CVC was  not a statutory body and the UPSC was a statutory body dealing with personnel.  But now both of them are statutory bodies. The Chairmen are of the same rank.  So, why should an advice of the CVC be referred again to the UPSC? This will  again lead to delay and if they disagree with each other, problems will arise.  Therefore this provision should be deleted.\n<\/p>\n
There are 5,300 vigilance cases pending in various Departments and Ministries  of the Government of India because they do not have enough officers to  investigate. My suggestion is that they may employ some retired officers with  impeccable integrity for specific cases to be inquired into and they can be paid  some honorarium for that. I think, the services of the retired officers can be  taken for the disposal of these cases.\n<\/p>\n
The CVC has recently given a directive that inquiries on all cases must be  completed within six months. This should be made mandatory because the vigilance  cases linger on for years. Therefore, this time limit should be fixed.\n<\/p>\n
I envisage one more problem. We are now going to create the institution of  Lokpal. I do not know when it will be created. This means, there will be the  Lokpal, the CBI and also the CVC. If all the three organisations start dealing  with corruption at the higher administrative ranks, there will be duplication  and overlapping. Therefore, we will have to specifically decide which  organisation will deal with which type of cases so that there is no overlapping  and no contradictory decisions are given by these three organisations.\n<\/p>\n
I would also suggest that in addition to the cases referred to by the  Department the CVC should be empowered to take up cases suo motu on the basis of  complaints received by them directly. They can take up cases referred by the  Ministries or the public undertakings concerned but the power to conduct suo  motu inquiries should also be given to the CVC.\n<\/p>\n
There are many people who are appointed as part-time directors of  nationalised banks, public undertakings, etc. They are appointed, maybe,  sometimes on political grounds and sometimes on other grounds. Some of them are  of very dubious character. Several complaints are received against part-time  directors of nationalised banks that they take money to recommend cases and so  on. Therefore, the appointment of these part-time directors must also be cleared  by the CVC and their antecedents must be examined by the CVC.\n<\/p>\n
The other point that I would like to make is that officers from a particular  State should not deal with the cases relating to the officers of that very  State. Some kind of a code of conduct – it need not be a rule- should be  observed so that no partiality is shown and no preferences are shown.\n<\/p>\n
Finally, I would like to say that we have insulated the Director of the CBI  and the Director of Enforcement from pressures and similarly officers holding  several other key positions should also be insulated from all types of  pressures.\n<\/p>\n
I request the hon. Minister to take note of these suggestions and try to  incorporate as many as possible, if not in the present Bill, but at least in  some amending Bill in future. Thank you.\n<\/p>\n
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>SHRI V.V. RAGHAVAN <\/a>(TRICHUR<\/a>): Mr. Chairman, as far as the  promulgation of Ordinance is concerned, I fully endorse the points made by my  colleague Shri Basu Deb Acharia.\n<\/p>\n
I do not know why the Government is fighting shy to convene the Parliament in  sufficient number of days. If you count the total number of days of the Session  of Parliament last year, it would be the barest minimum in the history of  Parliament. The Government is fulfilling the necessity of legislations by  promulgating Ordinances. I should say that within a year, this Government has  fully qualified to be called as `Ordinance Raj’. Last year, it was abruptly  adjourned sine die. The Government could have convened Parliament again. Why are  they fighting shy to convene Parliament? If we are given sufficient number of  days, we could pass the legislations by ourselves. But they are not giving that  facility to us. They have established the Central Vigilance Commission and the  Chief Commissioner also. Everything is done and now we are asked to endorse  their steps. What else can we do now? It is a fait accompli. This sort of making  legislation is not at all good. So, my request to the Chief Whip and those who  are responsible in the Treasury Benches is not to fight shy to convene  Parliament in sufficient number of days. Why should they confine to the barest  minimum number of sittings in the history of Parliament in the last one year?  That is the reason why they had to promulgate so many Ordinances and come before  Parliament with fait accompli legislations.\n<\/p>\n
We are wholeheartedly in support of any step that the Government takes  against corruption. Corruption is a cancer now in our body politics. So, we have  to do something wholeheartedly – both the Opposition and the Treasury Benches  together – to prevent corrupt practices in the services and in public life.\n<\/p>\n
As far as this legislation is concerned, it is all right, but some  explanation is to be given by the hon. Minister. I have read in some newspapers  that one of the senior members of the present Cabinet, a leading advocate of the  Supreme Court has charged that this Ordinance – when they prepared the Ordinance  and promulgated it – did not take into consideration the suggestions put forward  by the Law Commission. It is not my comment; it has come in the papers. Shri Ram  Jethmalani questioned them as to why were the suggestions of the Law Commission  not taken into consideration before they promulgated the Ordinance.\n<\/p>\n
It was asked by Shri Jethmalani, a leading advocate and one of the Cabinet  Ministers. In a Parliamentary democracy, the Cabinet should function as one. If  there are different voices in the Cabinet, the very Parliamentary system is in  question. It is not a simple thing.\n<\/p>\n
I have to point out one other thing. Whatever legislations we may pass and  with whatever power we may arm them, like the CVC or the Chief Commissioner, the  main thing is, are they allowed to function freely. This is the main question  now confronting the country. The Government is not allowing these investigating  agencies function freely. They are not given the freedom to function freely.  There is intervention from the high-ups. We have noticed that in a number of  cases because of the interventions, charge-sheet against corruption, steps  against corruption or final investigation against corruption, prolong for years  together.\n<\/p>\n
My learned friend, Shri Jain was questioning the Supreme Court directing the  Government to have a legislation on this. The Supreme Court has every right to  direct the Government to legislate, to plug every loophole in any law. It cannot  be questioned. In my humble opinion, a number of things have been said about the  judicial activism. I think that is the silver line in the Parliamentary  democracy in our country. The executive, the main pillar of the Parliamentary  democracy, is the most responsible body. It is up to the Judiciary to point out  to the executive if it does not do what it is obliged to do. In a number of  corruption cases the judiciary has intervened and because of that intervention  only we have come to know the number of cases where the executive has gone  wrong. So, it is a pointed question to the Government. Will the Government arm  these investigating agencies with ample power to function freely?\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Please be brief. Two hours were allotted for this item.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI V.V. RAGHAVAN <\/a>(TRICHUR<\/a>): I am just concluding. I always obey the Chair.  I am a very obedient Member of the House.\n<\/p>\n
Even the court had to intervene in the functioning of the CBI. Because of so  many interventions of the Government, we all know, there was direct intervention  by the Supreme Court. Even the Special Courts are not allowed to function and  the Government is in dock on that score. So, the crucial requirement to wipe out  corruption, is to give full authority to the investigating agencies and to give  them the freedom to function. The Government should not ever intervene in the  cases involving corruption and thus save the corrupt people.\n<\/p>\n
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MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Now, Shri Varkala Radhakrishnan to speak. I hope he will be  equally kind as Shri Raghuvansh Prasad Singh has been.\n<\/p>\n
>SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>: Thank you. I am always lucky  because whenever I speak, you are in the Chair. Madam, I hope you will not  interfere with my speech.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I beseech you to be very brief. Please take five minutes.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>: I will try to be brief as far as possible. But I  will have to explain my point. I represent a large party. My party has the time.  How can I take only five minutes?…(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: We have to conclude it by Five of the Clock.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>: I agree with you. But I will try to conclude  within ten minutes.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: All right, now you take five minutes and let us see after  that.\n<\/p>\n
1632 hours <\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>(CHIRAYINKIL<\/a>): I will take ten minutes.\n<\/p>\n
Madam, at the outset, I would like to say that all of us know that during the  Freedom Struggle, our attempt was to establish a Government free from  corruption. Gandhiji’s Rama Rajya, as we all know, is a society of virtues.  After fifty years of Independence, we are on the verge of entering the third  millennium. What is the state of affairs in India now?\n<\/p>\n
You are aware that we are entering the third millennium with a society filled  with corruption. We could not prevent this corruption. There is corruption in  many ways: corruption among public men, corruption among civil service officers  and corruption even in Judiciary! This is the state of affairs. We could not  prevent it so far effectively. There were times in the past to prevent  corruption among public men. But we have not come to the final stage. Even  today, we are at the drafting stage so far as corruption among public men is  concerned. In the matter of civil service also, though we have certain statutes,  we have not achieved the goal. We are still lagging behind.\n<\/p>\n
I would like to submit here that if there is a Government with stability, if  there is a Government with political will, corruption will not take place so  much as in the present case. Here is a Draft (Amendment) Bill which is an  offshoot of bureaucratic manipulation. I do not think that it is the offshoot of  people who know law, public men who are at the helm of affairs of such things.  They would not allow such a practice to take place in such a situation. We all  know what is happening in the present stage. Since there is no political will  and political stability, the offshoot is judicial adventurism.\n<\/p>\n
I would like to put it in that way. Now Judiciary is everywhere. They dictate  terms even to the Members of Parliament as to how we should issue slips for gas  connection to others. We know how to do it. But the Judiciary has even entered  into that field. The Judiciary has even entered into the field by asking the  Government to do pooja in a particular way and in a particular temple. The  Judiciary is directing the Executive to do certain things which are not in their  dominion at all. They are using the process of Public Interest Litigation (PIL)  petitions. By that process, everything is now being dictated by the court. That  is called Judicial Adventurism.\n<\/p>\n
We are in such a situation because there is no stable Government; and because  there is no Government with the will power. So, everywhere we are seeing  Judiciary. They have gone to the extent that they would give direction that what  medicine should be administered to a particular patient. That day will also come  in future. Such a situation is created because of the inability of the Executive  to control or curtail corruption. That is the position today. All of us are  aggrieved. The Judiciary is going to the extent of giving direction to the  political party. They have given a direction as to how to conduct their  procession, as to how many people should take part in that procession, and as to  how they should behave on a public road. This is not the outlook of the  Judiciary. But they have gone to that extent because there is no stable  Government with the political will in the country. That is the position.\n<\/p>\n
We are now facing that difficulty here also. It is an offshoot of a judicial  decision. The Supreme Court has given a direction to do certain things in a  particular way and in a particular manner. But even there, we see adulteration.  The bureaucracy has manipulated things in such a way to suit their  convenience.\n<\/p>\n
We know about the Prevention of Corruption Act of 1988 meant for servicemen  and bureaucrats. They could not implement it effectively because of the  interference of the political leadership at the helm of affairs. The bureaucrats  were not allowed to function freely. The people, who are entrusted with the  process of investigation are always harassed and they were transferred. There  was interference from the Executive to suit their political convenience. This  has come to a situation that the Supreme Court had told us to give a statutory  status to the investigating agency. There is a provision for investigation in  the Act itself, but that proved to be ineffective for the simple reason that  there was political interference to save their own followers in this regard.  Such a situation has been created. After the Supreme Court has given a very  definite direction, a draft Bill was brought in and this Bill is not as per the  dictates of the Supreme Court.\n<\/p>\n
Now, there is an authority in India which could give advice in this matter. I  do not say the Law Commission is above us. The Law Commission can be taken as an  advisory body. They are experts; their opinion will have to be considered. I do  not say that we will have to accept all that is said by the Law Commission. But  in taking a correct decision, to a considerable extent, it will influence us.  Now, the Law Commission had been given a go by. It had not been taken into  consideration by the Cabinet at all. Just as what is done in the case of the  Patents Bill. In the Patents Bill also, there was a recommendation of the Law  Commission, but that was suppressed. Here also there is a recommendation of the  Law Commission, that also has been given a go by and the same is being  suppressed.\n<\/p>\n
My learned friend – who has gone out just now – Shri Ram Jethmalani, himself  had declared in public that the bureaucracy has manipulated things in such a way  that they have given a go by to the recommendation of the Law Commission.\n<\/p>\n
He was forced to declare that in public. Now, the Judiciary is not within the  control of the Government. The Judiciary does not have any faith in the  Government. Since the present Government is an unstable one, the clever  bureaucrats in India know that they could manipulate it to suit their  convenience. That is the position in the Central Vigilance Commission Bill.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>:Please conclude quickly.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>:I will conclude within a few minutes.\n<\/p>\n
Madam, the Cabinet could not think about the matter. Now, I shall deal with  two Sections very briefly to establish my submission that this is a creation of  the bureaucrats. Now, who should be the Chief Vigilance Commissioner and who  should be Vigilance Commissioners? They found out that only persons from the  bureaucracy should be eligible for appointment as the Chief Vigilance  Commissioner and the Vigilance Commissioners also should be retired bureaucrats  or bureaucrats in service. So, this is a Bill of the bureaucracy, by the  bureaucracy and for the bureaucracy. That is what I would submit.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Radhakrishnan, why do you not conclude with this beautiful  quotable quote.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>: I am concluding.\n<\/p>\n
Madam, Section 25 of the Bill deals with the appointment of Vigilance  Commissioner. It says he should be a person in the service of the Central  Government or State Government or a retired officer of the Central Government or  State Government. They want men of their own choice. Why should it not be a man  with some legal knowledge, either from the Judiciary or from public life? What  is the difficulty? Why should there be a retired person? Why should there be a  bureaucrat to deal with corruption among the bureaucrats? Now, for the  appointment of the Director of Enforcement, a Committee is constituted. The  members of that Committee are, the Central Vigilance Commissioner, the  Secretaries to the Government of India in the Ministries of Home Affairs,  Personnel and the Department of Revenue. Section 25 (b) says:\n<\/p>\n
“No person below the rank of Additional Secretary to the Government of India  shall be eligible for appointment as a Director of Enforcement.”\n<\/p>\n
So, all are Secretaries to the Government of India. That is why, I said that  it is an Act created for the Secretaries and bureaucrats.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please conclude now. You have already spoken for 13  minutes.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI VARKALA RADHAKRISHNAN <\/a>: I will take only one minute more.\n<\/p>\n
Madam, Section 25 says that a Committee will be constituted for the  appointment of the Director of Enforcement. The Central Vigilance Commission, as  a whole, should be the Committee for that purpose and nobody else. What is the  difficulty in it? The Chairperson of the Central Vigilance Commission assisted  by three other Vigilance Commissioners will be sufficient for selecting the  Director. Why should the Secretary to the Government of India be brought in  here? What is the necessity of bringing the Home Secretary? What is the  necessity of bringing the Revenue Secretary? The selection of the Director can  be achieved very effectively by the Commission itself, as a whole. So, the  appointment of the Director who is in-charge of the Special Police Establishment  in Delhi should be done by the Commission itself and not by a Committee  consisting of Secretaries to the Government of India.\n<\/p>\n
Madam, is the Minister not*that he is being misled by the Secretaries?  The hon. Minister, Shri Janardhanan is smiling. He should rather forgive them  for they do not know what to do. That is what I have to submit. He is being  misled; he is becoming a..*  <\/p>\n
\u00a0in the hands of the bureaucrats. So, he should try to get above  them. Otherwise, elimination of corruption among the bureaucracy will not be  possible. With these words, I conclude.\n<\/p>\n
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>SHRI B.M. MENSINKAI <\/a>(DHARWARD SOUTH<\/a>): Madam, I am very happy  that you have given me time to speak. I expect that you will give me at least  five minutes to take part in this discussion.\n<\/p>\n
Anyhow, since I belong to a supporting party, Lok Shakti I support it. But  the problem is that our nation is burdened with so many laws without any work. I  am fed up with all these Acts. The new Acts are always brought forward but the  people are not acting according to those laws. Then, another Act will be passed.  Things are going on like this. This Parliament is burdened with thousands of  laws making process.\n<\/p>\n
In this connection, I would like to bring to your kind notice that in  Karnataka, when our leader, Shri Ramakrishna Hegde was the Chief Minister, the  Lokayukta Act was passed in 1984. According to that Act, the definition of a  public servant should be clarified. The Members of the Assembly have to submit a  return of their income and assets annually to the Lokayukta before 30th June of  each year. Nobody used to submit that.\n<\/p>\n
When I was the Municipal President, I had made an experiment since 1979-80  declaring my assets along with all the work done. Such a statement is to be  given by the public servant as such. I asked all the hon. Members also that they  must declare their assets voluntarily. At the time of filing the nomination to  the Parliament, I filed a declaration regarding my assets. If this thing is done  by representatives of Public, then only, corruption can be controlled. It cannot  be wiped out from the society. At least to control corruption, we have to make a  sacrifice. In all the offices, the representatives of the people must give a  lead. Then, the bureaucracy will follow it. Otherwise, the bureaucracy will act  according to the wishes of the representatives who are corrupt. In Karnataka,  there are about 52 Ministers out of whom 30-35 Ministers have not submitted  their return of wealth or statement of assets. In spite of that, they are  continuing in office.\n<\/p>\n
Similarly, here also, it goes on like this. Nobody wants to be transparent in  society. I want that transparency should be there. Then only, the corruption in  public life and in the bureaucracy could be controlled.\n<\/p>\n
I think, I have read in some newspaper that Shri Vittal, Central Vigilance  Commissioner told that the smugglers’ property will be confiscated according to  that Act by the Government. Similarly, if that provision is introduced here,  then there is no question of amending this Act also.\n<\/p>\n
There is the Vigilance Wing in Income Tax Department. If the Minister of  Finance gives them full powers, they would collect information about all the  blackmarketeers and hoarders of black money. They will assess the cases on the  basis that if there is an undisclosed income or it is disproportionate to the  known sources of income, that will be taxed. Similarly, the disproportionate  income will also be taken back by the Government. If that provision is inserted  in the Income Tax Act, then, everything is possible to curb the corruption in  the public life. Therefore, if these officers are not men of credibility, this  Act would not help anything.\n<\/p>\n
Even I wrote a letter to the Prime Minister regarding the Lokpal Bill which  was to be brought before the House. It is not possible that the people who are  making laws, should be punished by themselves. That is why I would like to say  that that law is not useful here. Even if the Prime Minister is included in the  Lokpal Bill, he cannot be punished. Then, who is going to be punished? It is  because the officers have to take action. Can they take action against him? Take  the example of Karnataka. The Chief Minister was included in the Lokayukta Act  but nobody could take action against him. The Officers cannot take action  against him. That is why I would like to say that all such laws should be  omitted just as they have done in Philippines. Marcos amassed crores and crores  of rupees when he ruled that country, which was later confiscated when the new  rulers  came.Anyhow  I am supporting this Bill. But the point is that such laws cannot work. Any man  executing the law must have the credibility in the society.\n<\/p>\n
With these few words I conclude my speech.\n<\/p>\n
>SHRI T.R.BAALU <\/a>(MADRAS SOUTH<\/a>): Madam Chairperson, first of all,  I would like to welcome the Bill brought by this Government as per the advice of  the Supreme Court for giving statutory authority to the Central Vigilance  Commission which will now be a multi-member body. The powers of this Commission,  after passage of this Bill, would be to monitor, superintend, to control over  the Central Bureau of Investigation, to order inquiry on its own or with the  Central Bureau of Investigation, to call Report on corruption from any  Department and so on. I wholeheartedly support and welcome this Bill.\n<\/p>\n
At the same time, if the Bill is brought forward with good intentions, it is  to be welcomed. There is an Ethics Committee in the Parliament. This Government  is talking loudly about bringing the Lokpal Bill. What happened to the Lokpal  Bill? What happened to the Ethics Committee’s Report? As per Ethics Committee’s  Report, I understand that if any Member of Parliament goes wrong, then, the  Report will prevail. I want to have a clarification from the Government. If a  Member of Parliament with the powers he is having, indulges in corrupt  practices, what will happen to him? I want to know whether the Ethics Committee  will correct him or the Central Vigilance Commission will have its own say or  the proposed Lokpal Bill will prevail. It is good, Madam, provided this  Government or the people having the powers do not interfere with the Judiciary.  As far as corruption charges are concerned, there are special courts. The  corruption cases must be heard daily. Those cases must be expedited. My request  is that let there not be any interference from the people in power.\n<\/p>\n
For your information, and for information of the House, a person who had  earned only one rupee per month in office for five years, what would have been  her income? Her income would have been only Rs. 60. During 1989 elections, she  did not have any money even to contest elections. She had to borrow.\n<\/p>\n
But after demitting her office, her own total income was just Rs.60. Now, how  come she could purchase 10,500 silk sarees worth Rs.7,000 to Rs. 8000 each? She  was in possession of 350 pairs of chappals. How come jewellery worth crores and  crore of rupees she would be having?… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND  PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (BANKING, REVENUE AND  INSURANCE) (SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN): Madam, are we discussing these  things here or are we discussing Central Vigilance Commission Bill?\n<\/p>\n
people are aware of the fact that Imelda Marcos of Philippines was having  only 2000 sarees and only 200 chappals… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>:Shri Baalu, please conclude now, the time allotted to you is  over.\n<\/p>\n
office, is facing the Special Court, but the Law Minister of this Government  has issued an executive order to transfer the cases to other courts. I would  like to know what is the locus-standi he has got to issue an executive order  when the matter is pending with the judiciary… (Interruptions) Madam, this  kind of interference would not in any way… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI CH. VIDYASAGAR RAO <\/a>(KARIMNAGAR<\/a>): Madam, I am on a point of order…  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Yes, what is your point of order? Under what Rule?\n<\/p>\n
SHRI CH. VIDYASAGAR RAO <\/a>: Madam, my point of order is that name of no  individual should be attributed like this…(Interruptions) This is not  correct… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please, Shri Baalu, I am dealing with it.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You are not in the Chair. I am here to decide on that.\n<\/p>\n
Shri Vidyasagar Rao, under which rule you are raising a point of order?\n<\/p>\n
SHRI CH. VIDYASAGAR RAO <\/a>: Madam, the hon. Member should confine within the  ambit of the Bill. He can discuss anything on the Bill which we are going to  pass. But he should not attribute anything on an individual who is not here…  (Interruptions) I totally oppose this.\n<\/p>\n
raising his point of order?\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Baalu, thank you very much for helping me. But I can deal  with this matter.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI SATYA PAL JAIN <\/a>(CHANDIGARH<\/a>): This is under rule 352…  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
quote that rule… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI SATYA PAL JAIN <\/a>: Madam, under rule 352 there are 3-4 conditions and a  Member cannot level any allegation against any other person …  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions) I was narrating what has happened during the course of  time… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
THE MINISTER OF POWER, MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF  NON-CONVENTIONAL ENERGY SOURCES (SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM): Madam, Rule 352  says:\n<\/p>\n
“A Member while speaking shall not–\n<\/p>\n
(i) refer to any matter of fact on which a judicial decision is pending;\n<\/p>\n
(ii) make personal reference by way of making an allegation imputing a motive  to or questioning the bonafides of any other Member of the House unless it be  imperatively necessary for the purpose of the debate being itself a matter in  issue or relevant thereto;…”\n<\/p>\n
That also he must realise.\n<\/p>\n
“…(iv) use offensive expressions about the conduct or proceedings of  Parliament or any State Legislature;”\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM<\/a>: Madam, I have not yielded… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
expression I have used… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Baalu, you had been a Minister. Why cannot you restraint  yourself for a couple of minutes?\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: No, I have allowed him. He is on a point of order.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Baalu, you should restrict yourself to the subject and not  divert from that.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
I was telling that a particular person… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Baalu, please keep quiet and let me listen to the hon.  Minister.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM<\/a>: Madam, he cannot reflect upon the conduct of  persons unless the discussion is based on a substantive motion. Why is he  reflecting upon the conduct of people who are not in the House and when it has  nothing to do with the subject matter here? Why is he on this matter? There are  opportunities he will get. He should have the right to say. I am not saying  `No’… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: Madam, he has not referred to any person …  (Interruptions) He has not mentioned any name… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Wait a minute. Shri T.R. Baalu, there should not be a slanging  match between you and the hon. Minister.\n<\/p>\n
I think, the hon. Minister, Shri P.R. Kumaramangalam has raised a very  pertinent point. We shall look into the matter and the offensive words will not  form part of the records.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
to delete … (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri T.R. Baalu, we shall settle it later on. Now, you  conclude.\n<\/p>\n
now and raised a point of order. When I have started speaking, he was not in  the House. … (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: We shall go through the records and find out the portion to be  deleted.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You cannot dispute the Chair’s decision.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>(BANKURA<\/a>): Madam, he has not mentioned any name …  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Basudeb Acharia, you should not forget that you are in the  Panel of Chairmen; you should not encourage such things.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA <\/a>: Madam, I am cooperating with the Chair. I am helping  the Chair. … (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I do not need support from any quarters.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri Basu Deb Acharia, you should be on the side of the Chair  and nobody should really dispute the decision of the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
Shri T.R. Baalu, please conclude now.\n<\/p>\n
out against the Chair’s ruling. … (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Shri T.R. Baalu, you have had enough time and you must conclude  your speech within a minute.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
there is no place at all. I am walking out. …(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
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*Expunged as ordered by the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Your party’s time is over. Please conclude.\n<\/p>\n
my speech; he just came and raised a point of order. … (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: I feel sorry. You had been a Minister. This is not the way to  behave.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You must conclude your speech within a minute.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
not having any money even to contest the election in 1989 …  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: You must conclude now within a minute.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
a minute. … (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: It is all right. You will get only one minute. …  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
have to voice my feeling. I have not mentioned anybody’s name. …  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Whatever he speaks after one minute will not form part of the  record.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
walking out in protest against the Chair’s decision.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
————————————————————————\n<\/p>\n
* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
1702 hrs <\/p>\n
(At this stage, the hon. Members, Shri T.R. Baalu and <\/p>\n
Shri S. Arumugham left the House.) <\/p>\n
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>SHRI BIKRAM DEO KESHARI <\/a>(KALAHANDI<\/a>): Madam Chairman, I  wholeheartedly support the Central Vigilance Commission Bill which has been  initiated by the Government because this Government, led by the hon. Prime  minister, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee, has been voted to power against corruption.  It was the corruption in high political places which has voted this Bhartiya  Janata Party Government to power under the able leadership of Prime Minister,  Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Besides, the Supreme Court judgement necessitated to  create a Central Vigilance Commission and accordingly the President of India  promulgated an Ordinance which is going to lapse shortly and will become  infructuous unless this Bill is passed by the Parliament. Keeping this in view,  the Government has brought this Bill and as per the sense of the House, which we  have just heard, it is going to be passed unanimously.\n<\/p>\n
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I do not have much to say, but one thing I would like to say that the  Commission which has been created, is going to be a transparent Commission  because the annual reports of the Commission will eventually be placed in the  House and the pros and cons of the findings will be subject to discussion.  Basically, this Commission will act as a watchdog to the Prevention of  Corruption Act, 1988 which was not coming out with any positive results. During  the Jain Havala case, the Supreme Court had directed that if a Commission was  not created, corruption in high places could not be dealt with.\n<\/p>\n
The problem of corruption started overflowing. It may be at the Chief  Minister’s level or at the bureaucratic level or even at the Prime minister’s  level, the needle of suspicion started pointing towards them, whether it was the  Bofors scandal or the Bihar chara scandal, or the urea scandal, or the sugar  scandal, or the telecom scandal, or the havala scandal, or the share scandal of  Harshad Mehta, or whatever it was. If you start naming the scandals, there is no  end to it. Therefore, our Government has taken a decision in the right direction  to nab the culprits, who, by virtue of the vpters, come here to this august  House to rule the country. The people have faith in us. They think that we shall  deliver the goods to them. But instead of delivering the goods to them, we give  them corruption. Therefore, this Bill which is being discussed today is for the  good of the country and for a healthy democracy.\n<\/p>\n
Some hon. Members from the Opposition benches cited the example of the Law  Commission. They said that the directions of the Law Commission were not  followed. But here I would like the hon. Minister to clarify during his reply  whether the Law Commission’s reports are mandatory to be placed before the House  because unless these are placed before the House, unless they become the  property of the House, unless they are made public, they cannot be discussed.  Therefore, it should be clarified that whatever recommendations are made by the  Law Commission, they will be given proper weightage in future. Once this  Vigilance Commission Bill is passed and becomes an Act, if there are some  lacunae found afterwards, it can be amended to suit the electorate and to suit  the situation of the country. As of now it is legal. If it becomes an Act, it  can always be amended.\n<\/p>\n
Therefore, Madam, after this Bill is passed, the Commission will be headed by  an impeccable retired bureaucrat or if a bureaucrat who is in service is  appointed as the Commissioner, then he will be automatically deemed to have been  retired. Considering this, Madam, after the passage of this Bill, we will get  justice in future and corruption can be stemmed or killed at its roots.\n<\/p>\n
With these words, I conclude.\n<\/p>\n
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\u00a0 \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f: \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0916\u0924\u094d\u092e \u0939\u094b  \u091a\u0941\u0915\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0906\u092a\u0915\u0940 \u092a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u091f\u0940 \u0938\u0947 \u092e\u094b\u0939\u0928 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 \u091c\u0940 \u0915\u093e\u092b\u0940 \u0905\u091a\u094d\u091b\u093e \u092d\u093e\u0937\u0923 \u0926\u0947  \u091a\u0941\u0915\u0947 \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u0938\u092c\u0915\u094b \u0938\u092e\u092f \u0938\u0947 \u091c\u094d\u092f\u093e\u0926\u093e \u0935\u0915\u0924 \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0917\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964 \u0905\u092c \u092e\u0928\u093f\u0938\u094d\u091f\u0930  \u0938\u093e\u0939\u092c \u0915\u094b \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947 \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u094d\u0926 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 (\u0938\u0924\u0928\u093e): \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f  \u091c\u0940, \u092d\u094d\u0930\u0937\u094d\u091f\u093e\u091a\u093e\u0930 \u0915\u093e \u092e\u093e\u092e\u0932\u093e \u0939\u0948, \u0906\u092a \u0938\u092c\u0915\u094b \u092c\u094b\u0932\u0928\u0947  \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f : \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902, \u092f\u0939 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902  \u0939\u094b \u0938\u0915\u0924\u093e\u0964\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u0930\u093e\u092e\u093e\u0928\u0928\u094d\u0926 \u0938\u093f\u0902\u0939 : \u0906\u092a \u0938\u092e\u092f \u092c\u095d\u093e  \u0926\u0940\u091c\u093f\u092f\u0947\u0964\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f : \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902, \u0938\u092e\u092f  \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0947 \u0939\u0940 \u092c\u095d\u093e\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e \u091a\u0941\u0915\u093e \u0939\u0948\u0964\n<\/p>\n
>SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN : Madam Chairman, I  would like to thank all the Members who have given their opinions or valuable  suggestions on this Bill.\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
(Translation) *I wish to speak in Tamil, my mother tongue. I had given notice  in writing in this regard. This Bill seeks to eradicate corruption and bribery  totally. I mention this when the Statutory Resolution was moved by hon. Member,  Shri Acharya. Let me explain as to why we were compelled to promulgate an  Ordinance. As per the directions of the Supreme Court, on 18.12.1997, the then  Gujral Government brought this Bill. On 7.4.1998, when this was sought to be  implemented, the then CVC resigned. So, it became necessary to promulgate an  Ordinance on 9.8.1998.* <\/p>\n
1722 hrs. (Shri Raghuvansh Prasad Singh in the Chair) <\/p>\n
That has been elaborated in the explanation. Before the Cabinet Meeting and  the meeting in the Ministry, the Law Commission Inquiry Report has also been  received. I have already told very clearly to hon. Members, Shri Acharya, Shri  Upendra and others that the matter was explained in the Bill itself.\n<\/p>\n
As far as possible, I would like to reply briefly. When the hon. Member from  Andhra Pradesh, Shri K.S. Rao, was speaking, he was telling about what was  happening, that is, only lower level employees like the bus conductors are being  punished and that high level officials are not being punished. While speaking,  he has given some suggestions. In general, all the Members were telling that we  are being misled by the bureaucracy. I would like to submit that in this  democratic country, so many sat in the minister’s Chair. After being a Member  for 12 years, I am now sitting in the Chair of a minister. When we have the  political will and apply our mind properly, the bureaucracy cannot mislead us.  That much confidence we, the politicians, should have. I can assure you that  this Government has not been misled by the  —————————————————————————–\n<\/p>\n
*——* Translation of the speech orginally delivered in Tamil.\n<\/p>\n
bureaucracy.\n<\/p>\n
On the issue of tackling corruption, the highest Court has given directions  to the two Houses. Some hon. Members were saying that our Parliament is superior  and we are sitting in this Parliament with that objective.\n<\/p>\n
I thank Shri Satya Pal Jain for supporting the Bill. At the same time, he  said that along with the Government, it should go into corruption cases in  bureaucracy and public life. That has to be gone into.\n<\/p>\n
Shri Upendra asked as to why there should be a difference of one year between  the tenure of the Chairperson and that of the Members. The tenure of the  Chairman is four years while that of a Member is three years. This is done to  ensure the supremacy of the Chairman as well as to maintain continuity in the  Commission.\n<\/p>\n
Hon. Member, Shri Mohan Singh has moved an amendment to the Bill. In this  connection I would like to draw the attention of the august House to the fact  that the Central Vigilance Commission is being conferred statutory status by  this Bill as per the directions of the Supreme Court in the Vineet Narayan case  which was accepted by the Government. In this case, the Supreme Court had, inter  alia, directed in paragraph 58.2 of their order dated 18-12-1997 that selection  for the post of Central Vigilance Commissioner shall be made by a committee  comprising the Prime Minister, the Home Minister and the Leader of Opposition.  The court had given no direction to include the Chief Justice of India as a  member of the committee. The Parliamentary Standing Committee has also accepted  the present formulation with a certain clarification regarding the Leader of  Opposition which has been accepted by the Government. The amendment necessary  for that has been moved. Therefore, the Government is not in favour of accepting  this amendment. Corruption at high places can be discussed when the House takes  up the Lok Pal Bill also.\n<\/p>\n
An hon. Member asked about the Personal Secretary. Personal Secretary has  been included and it has been rescinded. Dr. Raghuvansh Prasad Singh spoke about  the appointments of the four Vigilance Commissioners. Appointment to these posts  will also be made by the High Powered Committee of which the Leader of  Opposition is a member. Hence, there is no cause for any apprehension that the  Government will not appreciate any Vigilance Commissioner. The amendment  introduced will ensure that the CVC and the Vigilance Commissioners will not be  belonging to any one service. It is not here. He made a particular point and,  therefore, I replied to it.\n<\/p>\n
Shri Radhakrishnan said that the CVC should decide disciplinary cases of  Government servants and employees of the public sector undertakings. The persons  who will be covered under this have been decided based on the directions of the  Supreme Court and recommendations of the Law Commission as well as under the  supervision of the Standing Committee. Under clause 27, the Committee is  constituted for selecting the Directors of CBI and ED strictly as per the  directions of the Supreme Court.\n<\/p>\n
Hon. Member belonging to Lok Shakti party talked about transparency and that  the Ministers should submit their property returns. I agree with him. It is  being done even now. As a Minister, I have given it and everybody is giving  it.\n<\/p>\n
Hon. Member Shri Baalu also spoke on the Bill. When I speak in the House I  speak as a Member who has been here in the House for 14 years.\n<\/p>\n
After my fourteen years of experience in Parliament, if I do not say who I am  politically, I will be failing in my duty. I was a person who was attracted to  the ideology of Arignar Anna in 1949 when I was a student. I never thought that  I would become a Member of Parliament or a Minister. I came from that line of  workers.\n<\/p>\n
It was Arignar Anna who had drawn me into his fold. During the times of  Puratchi Thalaivar MGR, I came to the House, thanks to Navalar. Dr. Navalar was  a chosen one, chosen by none other than the great Anna who called him to lead  the party as his younger brother.\n<\/p>\n
He was in full power in Anna’s period. Navalar was able to give me a  Parliamentary seat. During MGR’s period, I became a Member of Parliament from  the AIADMK party. That was after 37 years of my political career.\n<\/p>\n
This is the thing about Tamil Nadu. I do not want to mention any name. I am  an example. I am a coin. I am a test tube in the Dravidian history. Everybody  knows, how we have been toiling, working and shedding our blood for the  language, for the country and for the nationality. I want to say that when China  attacked us it was our Anna who said:\n<\/p>\n
* Let us strengthen the hands of Nehruji.* <\/p>\n
(Original in English) He was released from the Vellore jail as he was put  behind the bars for leading an agitation against the price rise. …  (Interruptions)…During 1962, he was not a Chief Minister. In fact, Anna was  defeated in the Assembly elections.\n<\/p>\n
on record.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: Why?\n<\/p>\n
replying to me… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: *I am drawn by Anna. Whereas he was drawn by  somebody else. So, I can give him a befitting reply… (Interruptions)…I am  drawn towards a great leader, Anna. He was attracted by somebody else. So, I  need not give him a reply.* <\/p>\n
Jayalalitha… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: How he got attached with this party, I need  not tell. The country knows, the world knows about it. This is a pity…  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
He was also a Minister, and I am also a Minister now. But there is a  difference… (Interruptions)… He said that the ladies wear only saris…  (Interruptions)…Ladies do not wear lungis.\n<\/p>\n
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*—-* Translaltion of the speech originally delivered in Tamil.\n<\/p>\n
** Expunged as ordered by the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
* Without mentioning name, he referred accusatively to 1989. Hon. Balu who  now refers to 1989 may not know of the party and what it was in 1950-57. Even  the leading speakers do not know of the times. I know about him. He may sit  down… (Interruptions)* <\/p>\n
am not like you who is just going here and there… (Interruptions)… I am  not like you. I am a man of stature and strength… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN)<\/a>: *If there is anything between us, let us  sort it outside. Shall we?… (Interruptions)* <\/p>\n
(Interruptions)… Sir, he is calling me to fight outside. It is…** <\/p>\n
(Expunged as ordered by the Chair) <\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: He is talking of the integrity. I challenge  him openly in regard to integrity. I am ready… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
out of Parliament and fight with him… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: I challenge him. When he joined the party,  what was he? And, what was our leader in 1960?… (Interruptions)…And, what is  he today? Can he tell me?… (Interruptions)… The person, with whom he was  working in 1989, was living in a hut… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: What was Dr. Karunanidhi during 1960s?\n<\/p>\n
nothing at that time… (Interruptions) He should not raise his party matters  in the Parliament… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
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*—-* Translation of the Speech originally delivered in Tamil.\n<\/p>\n
** Expungd as ordered by the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: *His leader was living with Shri Dravidamani  in North-Madras. That man is still alive. Shri Dravidamani can tell us what was  Dr. Karunanidhi then. I speak Tamil what Anna had taught us. But his Tamil is  what he learnt from his leader Dr. Karunanidhi.* <\/p>\n
(Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: Hon. Minister, please address the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: Can he come outside? I am challenging him. I  am ready… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: Please confine yourself to the reply only.\n<\/p>\n
… (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
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SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: What is he and, what are we?  (Interruptions)…Come on. Tomorrow, if the elections are held, and I am  defeated, I will resign from my post… (Interruptions)…Will he also do it?  MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Janarthanan, please address the Chair.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: Mr. Chairman, he is talking in singular. …  (Interruptions)… I am talking in Tamil… (Interruptions)…This is the  difference between him and me.\n<\/p>\n
*Let me ask whose Government was dismissed on corruption charges in  1976.* <\/p>\n
(Original in English) I worked for 30 years in my Party and only then I  contested election and I won. It is a proof that people have faith in us. You  have seen it. (Interruptions) I know better English than him. I can tell him in  English also.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN <\/a>: You confine yourself to your reply. You should not be  provoked.\n<\/p>\n
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*—–* Tranlation of the speech orginally delivered in Tamil.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M. R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: Why has he provoked me? I have to reply in a  decent and civilised manner.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M. R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: I am here as Minister because the people of  Tamil Nadu have accepted me, not you. You are being boycotted… (Interruptions)  They are the people who beat a lady in the Assembly. They are the Party who beat  a lady in the Assembly and they are talking of decency here…  (Interruptions)\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M. R. JANARTHANAN<\/a>: I want to inform the House that about 60 per  cent to 70 per cent of cases are ready for conviction. Therefore, they need not  doubt the bona fides of the Commission.\n<\/p>\n
I am really very sorry because something very nasty, something which is not  connected with this Bill has been uttered in this Parliament. …(Interruptions)  Senior Members like Shri Indrajit Gupta are here. I am very sorry the former  Speaker Shri Balram Jakhar is here. I got provoked by a man who has talked  nothing which is connected with this Bill. Therefore, if anybody is feeling, I  have got to explain my position. I have to explain the political position of my  party, Anna DMK. They have raised the name of Anna.\n<\/p>\n
…(Interruptions) It is none of our fault.\n<\/p>\n
With these words, I request all hon. Members to support and pass this  Bill.\n<\/p>\n
*m17 \u0936\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u092c\u0938\u0941\u0926\u0947\u0935 \u0906\u091a\u093e\u0930\u094d\u092f (\u092c\u093e\u0902\u0915\u0941\u0930\u093e) :  \u0938\u092d\u093e\u092a\u0924\u093f \u092e\u0939\u094b\u0926\u092f, \u092e\u0902\u0924\u094d\u0930\u0940 \u091c\u0940 \u0928\u0947 \u0907\u0938 \u0938\u092d\u093e \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u091c\u094b \u091c\u0935\u093e\u092c \u0926\u093f\u092f\u093e \u0939\u0948,  \u0909\u0938 \u0938\u0902\u092c\u0902\u0927 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u092e\u0948\u0902 \u0915\u0939\u0928\u093e \u091a\u093e\u0939\u0924\u093e \u0939\u0942\u0902 \u0915\u093f \u090f\u0915 \u092e\u0939\u0940\u0928\u0947 \u092e\u0947\u0902 \u090f\u0915 \u0928\u0939\u0940\u0902  \u0926\u094b \u0906\u0930\u094d\u0921\u0940\u0928\u0947\u0902\u0938\u0947\u0938 \u0915\u093f\u090f \u0917\u090f \u0939\u0948\u0902\u0964 \u091c\u094b \u0906\u0930\u094d\u0921\u0940\u0928\u0947\u0902\u0938 \u092a\u0939\u0932\u0940 \u092c\u093e\u0930  \u092a\u094d\u0930\u094b\u092e\u0932\u0917\u0947\u091f \u0939\u0941\u0906 \u0935\u0939 <\/p>\n
within a gap of one month. That was a fraud on the nation.\n<\/p>\n
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Who was responsible for that? Who was responsible for drafting it without  bringing it before the Cabinet, if it was a fact? The hon. Minister Shri Ram  Jethmalani reacted sharply to it and a statement was made by the hon. Prime  Minister that that would be inquired into. Was there an inquiry? What was the  result of the inquiry? Was any responsibility fixed and any action taken against  somebody who was responsible for that? The hon. Minister has not replied to this  aspect.\n<\/p>\n
What was the need for the promulgation of an Ordinance when there was enough  time with the Government to bring a regular Bill and that Bill was being  considered by the Standing Committee of Parliament. In spite of all this, they  promulgated an Ordinance, not once but twice. He has not explained the need for  the promulgation of the Ordinance. This is why I do not find any justification  to withdraw my Statutory Resolution. I do not find any justification because he  has not explained it and he has not replied to the points which I made during my  initial remarks on why I have brought the Statutory Resolution.\n<\/p>\n
I am not, in principle, against the Bill because I am also in favour of  strengthening the Central Vigilance Commission, removing the lacunae and  weaknesses which were there in the Central Vigilance Commission, an impartial  vigilance commission, changes in the procedure of appointment of Chairman and  Members of the Commission. But I am not in favour of promulgation of successive  Ordinances within one or two months and thus bypassing the importance of this  Parliament. By bypassing this Parliament, the Government is resorting to  Ordinance-raj. This should be avoided. There was enough time with the  Government. They could have brought a Bill to this House but without doing that  and without giving the Members an opportunity, they have promulgated Ordinances.  They are now bringing a Bill to replace the Ordinance. I am against this. I do  not find any justification for withdrawing my Statutory Resolution. I am in  favour of my Statutory Resolution. I have already moved my Resolution and I am  not withdrawing my Statutory  Resolution.MR. CHAIRMAN : The  question is:\n<\/p>\n
\u00a0 <\/p>\n
“That this House disapproves of the Central Vigilance Commission Ordinance,  1999 (No. 4 of 1999) promulgated by the President on 8th January, 1999.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was negatived.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill to provide for the constitution of a Central Vigilance  Commission to inquire or cause inquiries to be conducted into offences alleged  to have been committed under the Prevention of Corruption Act, 1988 by certain  categories of public servants of the Central Government, corporations  established by or under any Central Act, Government companies, societies and  local authorities owned or controlled by the Central Government and for matters  connected therewith or incidental thereto, be taken into consideration.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN<\/a>: The House shall now take up clause by clause consideration of  the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 2 <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That clause 2 stand part of the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 2 was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 3 <\/p>\n
Amendment made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 2, after line 27 insert–\n<\/p>\n
“Provided further that while appointing the Central Vigilance Commissioner or  the other Vigilance Commissioners, the Central Government shall ensure that they  do not belong to the same service or category of person referred to either in  clause (a) or clause (b).”. (4) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That clause 3, as amended, stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 3, as amended, was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 4 <\/p>\n
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\u00a0 \u092a\u094d\u0943\u093e\u0937\u094d\u0920 \u0968, –\n<\/p>\n
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\u00a0 \u0915\u093f\u092f\u093e \u091c\u093e\u090f –\n<\/p>\n
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\u00a0 \u0938\u0902\u0936\u094b\u0927\u0928 \u0905\u0938\u094d\u0935\u0940\u0915\u0943\u0924  \u0939\u0941\u0906 <\/p>\n
Amendment made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 2, line 38, insert–\n<\/p>\n
`Explanation– For the purposes of this sub-section, “the Leader of the  Opposition in the House of the People” shall when no such Leader has been so  recognised include: the Leader of the single largest group in opposition of the  Government in the House of the People.’ (5) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That clause 4, as amended, stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 4, as amended, was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 5 <\/p>\n
Amendments made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 3, after line 7, insert–\n<\/p>\n
“(ab) any diplomatic assignment, appointment as administrator of a Union  territory and such other assignment or appointment which is required by law to  be made by the President by warrant under his hand and seal.”. (6) <\/p>\n
Page 3, line 22, for “Provided further that”, substitute–\n<\/p>\n
“Provided further that if the Central Vigilance Commissioner or any Vigilance  Commissioner is at the time of his appointment, in receipt of retirement  benefits in respect of any previous service rendered in a corporation  established by or under any Central Act or a Government company owned or  controlled by the Central Government, his salary in respect of the service as a  Central Vigilance Commissioner or, as the case may be, the Vigilance  Commissioner shall be reduced by the amount of pension equivalent to the  retirement benefits:\n<\/p>\n
Provided also that” (7) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That clause 5, as amended, stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 5, as amended, was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clauses 6 and 7 were added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 8 <\/p>\n
Amendments made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 4, line 6 after “Prevention of Corruption Act, 1988”, insert-\n<\/p>\n
“or an offence with which a public servant may, under the Code of Criminal  Procedure, 1973, be charged at the same trial.” (8) <\/p>\n
Page 4, line 11, after “the Prevention of Corruption Act, 1988”, insert-\n<\/p>\n
“or an offence with which such public servant may, under the Code of Criminal  Procedure, 1973, be charged at the same trial.” (9) <\/p>\n
Page 4, line 14, after “the Prevention of Corruption Act, 1998”, insert-\n<\/p>\n
“and an offence with which such official may, under the Code of Criminal  Procedure, 1973, be charged at the same trial”. (10) <\/p>\n
Page 4, line 17, after “Act 1998” insert-\n<\/p>\n
“or the public servant may under the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, be  charged at the same trial”. (11) <\/p>\n
Page 4, for line 29, substitute-\n<\/p>\n
“(a) members of all-India Service serving in connection with the affairs of  the Union and Group `A’ officers of the Central Government;”, (12) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That clause 8, as amended, stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 8, as amended was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clauses 9 to 19 were added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
New Clause 19A <\/p>\n
Motion for suspension of Rule 80(i) <\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN: I beg to move<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That this House do suspend clause (i) of rule 80 of the Rules of Procedure  and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha in so far as it requires that an amendment  shall be within the scope of the Bill and relevant to the subject matter of the  clause to which it relates, in its application to Government amendment No.13 to  the Central Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 and that this amendment may be  allowed to be moved.”\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That this House do suspend clause (i) of rule 80 of the Rules of Procedure  and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha in so far as it requires that an amendment  shall be within the scope of the Bill and relevant to the subject matter of the  clause to which it relates, in its application to Government amendment No.13 to  the Central Vigilance Commission Bill, 1998 and that this amendment may be  allowed to be moved.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Amendment made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 6, after line 24, insert-\n<\/p>\n
“19A. The Central Government shall in making any rules or regulations  governing the vigilance or disciplinary matters relating to persons appointed to  public services and posts in connection with the affairs of the Union or to  members of the all-India-Services, consult the Commission.” (13) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That new clause 19A be added to the Bill”.\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
New clause 19A was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clauses 20 to 26 were added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 27 <\/p>\n
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Amendment made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 8, for lines 40 to 45, substitute-\n<\/p>\n
“27.(1) the Central Vigilance Commission Ordinance, 1999 is hereby  repealed.\n<\/p>\n
(2) Notwithstanding such repeal, anything done or any action taken under the  said Ordinance shall be deemed to have been done or taken under the  corresponding provisions of this Act.” (14) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That clause 27, as amended, stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 27, as amended, was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
The Schedule was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 1 <\/p>\n
Amendment made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 1, line 4, <\/p>\n
for 1998 substitute 1999″ (3) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That clause 1, as amended, stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
Clause 1, as amended, was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
Enacting Formula <\/p>\n
Amendment made<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
Page 1, line 1,-\n<\/p>\n
for “Forty-ninth” substitute “Fiftieth” (2) <\/p>\n
(Shri Kadambur M.R. Janarthanan) <\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Enacting Formula, as amended, stand part of the Bill.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
The Enacting Formula, as amended, was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is <\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Long Title stand part of the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
The Long Title was added to the Bill.\n<\/p>\n
SHRI KADAMBUR M.R. JANARTHANAN: Sir, I beg to move:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.”\n<\/p>\n
MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is<\/a>:\n<\/p>\n
“That the Bill, as amended, be passed.”\n<\/p>\n
The motion was adopted.\n<\/p>\n
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