Need To Permit Candidates To Answer Questions In Regional Language In … on 29 April, 2002

Title: Need to permit candidates to answer questions in regional language in examinations conducted by Staff Selection Commission.

 

SHRI VAIKO (SIVAKASI): Sir, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to raise this very important matter during ‘zero hour’.

            Here is the final result of the recruitment test for the post of clerks conducted by the Staff Selection Commission for the year 1999.   The trend of selections shows a clear discrimination and bias against the candidates from the Southern, the North-Eastern, and the non-Hindi speaking States. It is a result of the introduction of the method of descriptive examination from the year 1999. Out of the 8085 candidates recommended for appointment by the Staff Selection Commission – three candidates are from Tamil Nadu, 12 are from Karnataka, 52 from Kerala, and only 11 from all the North-Eastern States put together.  It comes to a total of only 100 candidates from the States of Tamil Nadu, Pondicherry, Andhra Pradesh, Kerala, Karnataka and the North-Eastern States.   … ( Interruptions)

SHRI SATYAVRAT CHATURVEDI (KHAJURAHO):  Sir, is he making a ‘zero hour’ submission or giving a speech?

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is ‘zero hour’.

SHRI SATYAVRAT CHATURVEDI : Can he go on reading like this?

SHRI VAIKO : Sir, this is a very serious problem.   This is regarding the problem of unemployment.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:  He is referring to statistics.

SHRI VAIKO : There is a provision for writing the Civil Services Main examination, which is of descriptive type, in any of the languages mentioned in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution, not allowing that facility in this examination is a very serious issue. While the languages of the Eighth Schedule are being allowed even for the topmost services like IAS, IPS, why can the same method not be adopted for examinations conducted by the Staff Selection Commission also?

An appeal was filed in this regard before the Central Administrative Tribunal, Chennai.  That Tribunal observed:

“We may observe that it is for the Government of India to consider whether all the languages included in the Eighth Schedule can be used as medium for all examinations conducted by the Staff Selection Commission.   We do not think it is very difficult, when the facility is available now in Civil Services Main Examination.  This fact has been rightly admitted in the reply filed.”

 

Sir, it is for the Government to take immediate steps either to allow the candidates to write the examination in the languages mentioned in the Eighth Schedule, or to switch over to the earlier two-tier system of recruitment wherein there was an objective type examination and an interview/skill test.  

             Out of the 8085 candidates selected, a thousand candidates are from Bihar. I do not have any grouse against Bihar. This has happened because there is no level-playing field available for the candidates. When candidates from all over the country are not allowed to write the examination in their respective mother tongue included in the Eighth Schedule, the candidates from the non-Hindi-speaking Southern and North-Eastern States are terribly affected. Unemployment problem is a very serious problem. It is a great injustice being done.  

Therefore, I would appeal to the Government to either restore the earlier system of examination, or allow all languages in the Eighth Schedule to be the medium of examination.  This is my request. … (Interruptions)

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SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU (SRIKAKULAM): Sir, I associate with the hon. Member on this issue.… (Interruptions)

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SHRI E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (SIVAGANGA): We also associate with the Member on this issue.… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Yerrannaidu, Shri Janardhana Reddy, Shri Natchiappan, Shri Kuppuswamy, Shri Suresh, Shri Murthi, Shri Thomas, Shri Francis, Shri Malaisamy, Shri Selvaganapathi and all these Members associate with Shri Vaiko on this issue.

SHRI VAIKO : Kindly allow them to speak, Sir.   It is a serious problem.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:  All right, Shri Vaiko, I have allowed them to associate.

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU : Sir, the Parliamentary Affairs Minister wants to say something on this.   … ( Interruptions  )

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE (BOLPUR):  All these requests should be granted before 30th of April.… ( Interruptions)

SHRI  DALIT EZHILMALAI (TIRUCHIRAPALLI): This is a discrimination.… (Interruptions)…Please respond to it… (Interruptions)…We will never accept any other  language except Tamil  and English… ( Interruptions)…This is a clear discrimination against them.… ( Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:  Shri Elumalai,   what is happening to you today?

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:  Please take your seat.  The hon. Minister is responding.

SHRI SURESH RAMRAO JADHAV (PARBHANI): Sir, I also associate myself with what Shri Vaiko has said… (Interruptions )

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU : It is mentioned in the VIII Schedule, and it should be followed… (Interruptions)

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SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : This has been raised at a proper time… ( Interruptions)…It is a very intelligent question… ( Interruptions)

SHRI VAIKO : Pandit Nehru had given the assurance.   That assurance should be honestly fulfilled… ( Interruptions)

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SHRI N. JANARDHANA REDDY (NARASARAOPET): Sir, this question of writing the examination in the regional languages arose in regard to the recruitment of  para-military constables.   There are about 10 lakh para-military constables but   not even  10 per cent of them are from the South India.  This is because they have not been allowed to write the examination in their regional languages.   Either they have to write in English or in Hindi.  This is the problem. 

            The Standing Committee on Home Affairs had taken up   this matter very seriously and recommended unanimously   to the Home Ministry, the Government of   India  to allow the examination to take place in  regional languages.   But  for the last one year, they had given a deaf ear to it.  I do not know whether the hon. Minister is going to say anything about it also.

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SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU : Sir, in the case of Indian Administrative Service Examinations, there is no discrimination in the usage of language and the local students can appear for those Examinations in the regional languages. They are allowing that to happen. But for the examinations to small posts of paramilitary personnel conducted by the S.S.C., they are not allowing the usage of regional languages. For these posts, the applicants would have studied only up to X Standard or ‘Ten Plus Two’ or they may be graduates. Candidates from some States do not know Hindi or English well. How can they write the examination in English or Hindi only? In some States, they have introduced the usage of regional languages up to the graduation level. When we are allowing usage of regional languages for Indian Administrative Service Examinations, why should we have this discrimination in usage of other languages for other small posts? This is a legal and a genuine demand. So, there is no need to have a discussion; and the Parliamentary Affairs Minister, taking into account all the observations from various political parties here, can make an announcement in this regard now itself.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Since it is an important matter, I am allowing the hon. Members to make submissions.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I will give you the floor.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Kunwar Akhilesh Singh, please resume your seat.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Vaiko, the matter raised by you is being projected now. Please take your seat.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, Shri Sudip Bandyopadhyay   .  

SHRI SUDIP BANDYOPADHYAY (CALCUTTA NORTH WEST): Sir, there are at least three or four States in our country where English is accepted as the official language.   We should not forget that.  We have got full regards and honour for the Hindi language.   I would suggest that all the question papers could be prescribed on the basis of all the languages included or enlisted in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution.… (Interruptions )

SHRI VAIKO : We would like to get a response from the hon. Minister.… ( Interruptions)

SHRI DENZIL B. ATKINSON (NOMINATED): Sir, I associate myself with whatever has been said by Shri Vaiko but I take strong objections to what the hon. Member, Shri Mulayam Singh has said about the English language.   English is the mother tongue of the Anglo Indian community in this country and we are recognised in the Constitution.   I request him not to say such words about the English language.… (Interruptions) lakhs of children study through English medium in our christian school.

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SHRI S.S. PALANIMANICKAM (THANJAVUR): Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the DMK Party, I fully associate ourselves with the issue raised by Shri Vaiko.  We request that all the competitive examinations should be conducted in all the regional languages included in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution.… ( Interruptions  )

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SHRI VAIKO : It is really a very sad effort.… ( Interruptions  )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Vaiko, what is this?   It is a very important matter. I want every Leader to speak on this.

… (Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : It is a very sensitive matter.… ( Interruptions)  Sir, for the benefit of my friends, what I have said is, it is a very sensitive matter and it should not be decided by just mentioning it during the ‘Zero Hour’.   Shri Vaiko, for once – although in that company – has raised a very pertinent issue.  I would request the hon. Prime Minister, this is one of the issues on which he may think it right, to call all the Opposition Parties including the Leader of the Opposition – without being irritated so much – so that there could be a proper decision out of this discussion.  Our intention is not to lower the importance of any language.   India is a country where so many languages are spoken.   Kindly see, Shri Vaiko cannot understand my Hindi and I have to speak in English.  If this is the position, how will you run the House?  If everybody comes to the House and speaks in his or her mother tongue, what will happen to this House?  Everybody will have to put on the earphones.

            There has to be a language for India as a whole.    It can either be Hindi or Tamil.   I have nothing against Tamil.  My daughter is now in Chennai.  My grand daughter is trying to learn Tamil. She has stood first in her examination.   No language is superior to other.   This is a very vital issue and, therefore, we should proceed in a manner that a proper decision is taken on it.   This is my request  .

SHRI VAIKO : This is a wider issue.  On this particular issue, we want the response of the Prime Minister.    I agree fully with Shri Somnath Chatterjee that   what he has mentioned is a wider issue.   But on this particular issue which I have raised, I want a response from the hon. Prime Minister.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He will respond.

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SHRI VAIKO : Sir, out of 1885 candidates, less than 100 candidates are from all the Southern and North-Eastern States.   This is a total discrimination. Therefore, I have raised this issue… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He will respond but before that I want to give chance to every Party.

SHRI K. MALAISAMY (RAMANATHAPURAM): Sir, on behalf of AIADMK Party, I like to place my views.  I congratulate Shri Vaiko for having raised a very valid issue.   On this issue, we cut-across party lines and we are one in every way.  As far as the matter of protecting the languages of the entire country is concerned, we are not against any language.   But at the same time, we are very much interested in protecting the interest of Tamils and Tamil Nadu.  In that way, the trend and mood of House is perfectly in order.   I am very happy that wisdom and reason prevailed in the minds of all big leaders.  This is a very sensitive issue.    It has to be very carefully handled.  I think the Government has got enough problem with Gujarat.  Therefore, they need not invite one more problem like this.   I want to forewarn the Government that this is a very sensitive issue and the Govt. must see that the  tyranny of the majority should not be imposed on the tiny minority.… ( Interruptions).  The examination in question has to be cancelled.  Facility to write in  regional languages should be provided.  The Minister should respond to it.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He will respond.

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SHRI K.A. SANGTAM (NAGALAND): India is a multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-linguistic country. So, I would like to make an appeal here. In States like those in the North-East we have adopted English as the official language. In my own State of Nagaland we have sixteen dialects, but we do not have scripts. We have adopted the Roman script as the official one. We have adopted English as the official language. If we have to go by other languages, do we stand a chance of competing in the examinations?

            As rightly said, in Goa, Andaman and Nicobar Islands and in other parts of India, people speak different languages. If we continue to stress that English should be taken away from the list of main languages, it would not be a correct decision. India has encouraged English language and that is the reason why we are standing first in the field of software in the world today. Whereas Japan, Korea and   China have adopted their own languages and their own scripts, India chose to adopt English language as a medium in education as well as in the Government and therefore and we are first in the field of software. That is one important aspect.

            If we do not encourage regional languages and if we do not encourage Hindi, then we would be failing in our duty. At the same time, we should continue with the English language so that everybody can translate their language into the other’s language. I would, therefore, request the Government of India that we should continue Hindi as well as English as the official languages in all official matters.

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SHRI E. PONNUSWAMY (CHIDAMBARAM): The issue raised by Shri Vaiko is a very serious and sensitive one. PMK is the only Party which had conducted a seminar in 1998 in Delhi on the national languages issue where it was said that all the 18 languages be included in the official languages list.

The Father of the Nation Mahatma Gandhiji wrote his autobiography in Gujarati and Rabindra Nath Tagore wrote Gitanjali in Bengali. So, mother tongue must be given priority in the competitive examinations to enable people have a fair chance in all the attempts in their career. For once, Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav also supported us by saying that mother tongue be allowed. We the PMK associate ourselves with the issue raised by Shri Vaiko and reiterate that mother tongue be given priority in competitive examinations.

SHRI P.C. THOMAS (MUVATTUPUZHA): India is a country with much diversity. In our Constitution we have accepted federalism. It is necessary to strengthen the federalist nature and the real intent of the makers of our Constitution. The issue raised by Shri Vaiko is a sensitive and a serious one to be addressed by all of us. We cannot leave away this issue.

            Therefore, I would submit, as most of the sections of the House did, that we must give due importance to all the languages. In fact, we should accept that all the Indian languages are national languages and as national languages spoken in the nation we should give importance to all the languages in all the tests, including the one which has been mentioned by Shri Vaiko.

            Here the issue has come up because the nature of the questions has also changed. Earlier it was of objective type and now it has been made into descriptive type. That is also an issue to be addressed. In the light of the changes now taken place in the type of questions it is very important that we look at the language issue also. As far as English is concerned, I would submit that it has been accepted as an international language and we cannot go back from it as it connects us to other nations also. Therefore, it must continue.

SHRI SURESH KURUP (KOTTAYAM): Candidates are allowed to take part in the Civil Services examinations in regional languages. In Staff Selection Commission examinations they have changed over to descriptive type questions and answers in order to discriminate against people who are from the South and the North-Eastern parts of the country  .

The results also show that.  The results should be cancelled.  This examination should be cancelled, fresh examination should be conducted and candidates should be allowed to take part in this examination using their regional languages..… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:   It is a very important issue and every Member is taking part in it.   Something useful is being done.

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SHRI M.V.V.S. MURTHI (VISAKHAPATNAM):  Is there any link between writing the examination in the regional language and what he is speaking now?  Sir, it is a diversion of the subject..… ( Interruptions)

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SHRI K. FRANCIS GEORGE (IDDUKKI): Sir, I rise to support the issue that has been raised by Shri Vaiko.  In our multi-linguistic country, it is not fair to discriminate or disregard any regional language.  I do not know how this issue has come up at all.  It is because we have three-language formula here.   We have the mother tongue, the regional language and then the national language. … (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He has given the details.

SHRI K. FRANCIS GEORGE : If the Government is bound by this formula that has been accepted in the Constitution even, then how can this issue come up?  How can any regional language, which has been accepted in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution, could be discriminated against?  So, the point I want to raise is this.  Along with Shri Vako and other hon. Members, I would request that this particular examination may be cancelled and chance be given to all those who want to appear in the examination throughout the country.

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGLY): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the language policy of the country has been discussed several times.   We have broadly reached a consensus that we should have one official language, that is Hindi, and all the other languages, which are mentioned in the Eighth Schedule should be encouraged.   About the link language, we do follow the three-language formula.  

            This is a very sensitive issue and piecemeal discussion may lead to further confusion.  It is because on the issue of language, our neighbouring country was divided.   It was due to imposition of a language.     There is a mis-conception in this country that some particular language is sought to be imposed on other languages and on others mother tongues.  This has already been issued. … (Interruptions)

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU : Sir, he is diverting the issue. … ( Interruptions)

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : I am concluding. … ( Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He is coming to that.

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He is a Professor and he will have to come.

… (Interruptions)

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU :  This is a limited issue of writing examination.  Shri Rupchand Pal is raising the language issue. … ( Interruptions)

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : While supporting the issue raised by Shri Vaiko., I would like to say this.  … ( Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: He is supporting Shri Vaiko.

SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : While supporting the issue raised by Shri Vaiko, I would like to say that in respect of IT Sector, the advantage that India has, among many other things, is that the number of English-learning people in this country is much larger than many other countries in the world.   This is an advantage, particularly in the age of Information Technology, which is used world over.  … ( Interruptions)  I demand a full-fledged discussion on this issue. … (Interruptions )

THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF    COMMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: Sir, the most sensitive part of the `Zero Hour’ is that an issue is suddenly raised in the House without a notice.  Being the Minister of Parliamentary Affairs, it becomes my responsibility to answer the questions, which are beyond my competence and jurisdiction.   We almost discussed this issue for about forty or forty-five minutes. Even though none of us wanted to discuss it, everybody discussed it.   Even though none of us wanted to enlarge its scope, everybody added to the original scope.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: They have contributed.

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN:  I would take up one point before I come to the specific point raised by Shri Vaiko  .

 

            I think, all of us agree that the creation of any language was to unite the people and not to divide the people. When we went   from a gesture language to a spoken language and a written language, the basic need of the humanity was to communicate with the other person and try to unite people and not to divide people. I am sure,   the whole House will agree with me that any discussion which we have under such circumstances should unite the country and not to divide it.  The AIADMK leader has rightly put it that the Government has many hot issues on hand. We do not want to add one more issue. My problem is that I have not raised it. Once it is raised, it becomes my responsibility to answer it.

            I can briefly say that Hindi is our national language. We love and respect Hindi. As in the case of Shri Vaiko, Hindi is not my mother tongue. But as an Indian citizen, I would submit that Hindi is a language which has an old tradition. I think, by love and affection, we should try to learn Hindi. When I said by love and affection we should learn it, I would still reiterate what Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru told long back in the 1960s that if the whole country learns Hindi by love and affection, there is no objection. I think Shri Vaiko will  also not object to it. But, at the same time, we would not like to force the language or impose the language till the society is ripe for it, till the society is ready for it. As long as that, the usage of English becomes necessary.

            One more thing which my comrade Rupchand Pal mentioned. Indeed he helped me in that matter. I also belonged to a movement like Shri Mulayam Singh. In my initial days, in my college days, I joined the    Angreji hatao campaign.   But I can say that lately I have realised that one of the strengths which India has today internationally, particularly in the sector of Information Technology, is its largest human resource who can speak English. We are ahead of China only because of the English language which we have. Now the Chinese are trying to learn English very fast. At this juncture, if we start deviating from English and if we are not allowing our students to learn English, we will be giving double advantage to China which,   I think, as a nation, we should not give. So, I would beg of Shri Mulayam Singh to consider this.  ÉËcnÉÒ BÉEÉ àÉä®É ºxÉäc +ÉÉè® |ÉäàÉ ÉÊBÉEºÉÉÒ ºÉä BÉEàÉ xÉcÉÓ cè* àÉé iÉÉä BÉE£ÉÉÒ-BÉE£ÉÉ® àÉÖãÉɪÉàÉ É˺Éc VÉÉÒ ºÉä BÉEc näiÉÉ cÚÆ ÉÊBÉE <xɺÉä +ÉSUÉÒ +ÉÉè® ¶ÉÖr ÉËcnÉÒ àÉé ¤ÉÉäãÉBÉE® ¤ÉiÉÉ ºÉBÉEiÉÉ cÚÆ +ÉÉè® +ÉMÉ® ¶ÉiÉÇ ãÉMÉ VÉÉA ÉÊBÉE +ÉÉvÉä PÉÆ]ä ÉʤÉxÉÉ +ÉÆOÉäVÉÉÒ ¶É¤nÉå BÉEÉ ={ɪÉÉäMÉ BÉE®BÉEä ÉËcnÉÒ ¤ÉÉäãÉå iÉÉä =kÉ® £ÉÉ®iÉ BÉEä £ÉÉÒ ¤ÉcÖiÉ ºÉä ºÉÉƺÉn ¤ÉÉäãÉ xÉcÉÓ {ÉÉAÆMÉä +ÉÉè® àÉé ¤ÉÉäãÉBÉE® ÉÊnJÉÉ ºÉBÉEiÉÉ cÚÆ* <ºÉÉÊãÉA àÉä®ÉÒ ÉËcnÉÒ BÉEÉÒ £ÉÉÎBÉDiÉ BÉEàÉ xÉcÉÓ cè* But, at the same time, I would like to say that if the real India, if the   rural villagers want to go ahead in   Information Technology, if we stop them from learning English, we will be putting them in a disadvantageous position not only at the national level but also at the international level. So, I do not want the Indian citizens, Indian students and the Indian kids from any State, particularly from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh to be put in a disadvantageous position for lack of the English language when they go at the international level in information technology.… (Interruptions)

SHRI VAIKO :  Sir, let the hon. Minister complete his submission.… (Interruptions )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER:  If there is any misunderstanding, that could be removed now.

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SHRI VAIKO :  Let him complete his submission. … (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If there is any misunderstanding, the same could be removed now.

… (Interruptions)

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SHRI VAIKO : The most classical language is Tamil. … ( Interruptions) Tamil should be the official language of India. … ( Interruptions)

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Vaiko, time is running out. … ( Interruptions)

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SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: I would now conclude by saying about the particular issue. … (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The hon. Member has raised a point, Mr. Minister, reply to it.

… (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: I was in a dilemma. I was only going to refer to the issue raised by him. … (Interruptions )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You are also in a mood to join the debate in the House.

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: I should do it for that is my duty.

            Lastly, I would say only one thing and that is about the issue of Staff Selection Commission examinations raised by Shri Vaiko.  

            In principle, I think that if somebody does not have the knowledge of a particular language, that should not put somebody at a disadvantageous position as far as these examinations are concerned.   Shri Vaiko has told two things. Firstly, the style of examination has been changed where some  descriptive questions have been asked, due to which persons, who do not know Hindi or English, were put to a disadvantageous position. That seems to be the case because in an objective question-answer paper, your knowledge   and proficiency is not needed.  At this moment, Shri Vaiko and the whole House would appreciate that I do not know as to what kind of examination it was, as to what were the questions and as to what were asked last time and this time.   As I said, in principle, I do not want anybody to be at a disadvantage whether he is a Tamilian or a Bihari.  I do not want anybody to be at a disadvantageous position.   I want everybody to be at an advantageous position.   In a competition examination, merit should matter  .

 

13.00 hrs.

            So, whether Tamilians get all the seats or Biharis get all the seats, it is not really our concern. But as you rightly said, there should be a level playing field. The whistle should blow when everybody is in line. I have taken note of what he has said.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE : He is not insisting on a reply by tomorrow.

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: I cannot even reply by tomorrow. So, I will take up this matter with the concerned department and see that at least, as he has said, the disadvantage is not there if the language is changed. At the same time, I cannot react to this on the spot. I take a serious note of this and communicate to the Minister concerned.

SHRI K. YERRANNAIDU : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, he can ask the concerned Minister to convene an all-party meeting on this issue.

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: Sir, there are two demands for convening an all-party meeting. One is by Shri Somnath Chatterjee who has demanded it for a larger issue and another is by Shri Yerrannaidu on a smaller issue. … ( Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is ‘Zero Hour’. How can he reply just like that?

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: Sir, looking at the agenda before Parliament, whatever Shri Somnath Chatterjee and Shri Yerrannaidu say, it is very difficult for me not to communicate to the Prime Minister and the concerned Minister. I will communicate both the requests. … ( Interruptions)

SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA (BANKURA): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I want to raise an important matter. … (Interruptions )

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I cannot help now.

13.02 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Fourteen of the Clock.

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