Title: Discussion regarding functioning of Prasar Bharati.
16.05 hrs.
MR. SPEAKER: Now, we will take up the discussion under Rule 193. I appeal to the hon. Members that we have to complete this discussion today itself.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (MIRYALGUDA): Today, once again, I rise to speak on Prasar Bharati, which has been paralysed in its functioning, more in sorrow than in anger because the functioning of Prasar Bharati has been subverted deliberately and malignantly and consistently. The BJP-led Government has given three I&B Ministers in less than two years, and they spoke in different voices. But may I also hasten to add that there was a cynical common pattern to all their actions in regard to Prasar Bharati.
When my good friend, Pramod Mahajanji, was the Minister of Information, I used to be quite comfortable with him because of his disarming political candour. He thought, that the Government must have its own channel now that there are private channels. I am not as comfortable with Shri Jaitley because he talks very sweetly about liberalism; I am afraid, he is no less a slippery customer.
Before I deal with the various blows that were so mercilessly dealt to Prasar Bharati by the BJP-led Government, may I go into the history of this Board? May I also deal with the first principles of democracy? The Charter of Canadian Corporation starts with the famous words, “The air belongs to all of us”. It was Jawaharlal Nehru, way back in 1948, speaking in the Constituent Assembly, who desired that the All India Radio should, in due course, approximate to the BBC. At that time, we did not have Doordarshan.
There was a Committee headed by Chanda in 1960s, which recommended an autonomous corporation for All India Radio. After 1977, there was Verghese Committee Report, which also recommended an autonomous corporation for both All India Radio and Doordarshan. When the Congress came back in 1980, the Congress Government also appointed two Committees. One was Joshi Committee, the other was Parthasarathy Committee. One thing that is common to all these Committee reports was, each one of them recommended formation of an autonomous corporation. It was because of the consensus that had been evolved in the country over years and decades through so many expert committee reports that Parliament of India could pass the present Act, the Prasar Bharati Act, 1990 unanimously in both Houses.
Sir, the hon. Minister, who is a noted lawyer, is well aware of the historic judgement delivered by the Supreme Court in 1995. The Supreme Court, amongst other things, said:
“In the interest of ensuring plurality of opinions, the broadcasting media cannot be allowed to be under a monopoly of anyone — be it the monopoly of Government or of an individual body or organisation. Government control, in effect, is not conducive to the free expression of contending viewpoints”.
After this Supreme Court judgement, I do not think, anybody has an option but to confer optimal statutory autonomy on both Akashvani and Doordarshan.
Sir, I happened to become a Minister. I was there only for a few months. When I became a Minister, the first statement I made was that my job would be to render myself jobless. I do not think that our democracy is so backward to need the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. In fact, in no advanced country in the world do we have any Ministry called the Information and Broadcasting. I am really happy that my good friend, Shri Arun Jaitley, has been given another portfolio, namely, the Disinvestment. If he was unemployed, he would have kept meddling in All India Radio and Doordarshan. I hope, because of the additional portfolio, he would not be tempted to do that. Being an optimist, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I should not be faulted for hoping against hope.
Sir, one charge that has been levelled against me is that I got the Prasar Bharati Board constituted towards the end of my tenure as a Minister. I would like to set the records straight. I made this point repeatedly but some people are unwilling to learn, therefore, I am obliged to repeat.
Sir, I became a Minister on May 1, and made all these statements. I notified the 1990 Act on 22nd July, 1997 and said that the Prasar Bharati Act would become operational from 15th of September, 1997. So, it was not a step taken overnight but it was a step taken after a due process. Then, an Ordinance was promulgated on 30th October, 1997. At that time, at least nobody in the world knew that the Jain Commission Report would be leaked and our Government would come under a cloud. The Ordinance was promulgated on 30th October, 1997. The Government wrote to the Chairman of the Selection Committee, namely the Vice-President, to go about the business of selecting persons. The hon. Minister knows full well that the selections made by the Selection Committee are final and binding on the Government. The Government has no role to play in the matter at all.
Sir, be that as it may. Then, the BJP led Government came to power at the Centre. What did it do? It wanted to get rid of Shri Gill. I am neither attached to Shri Gill nor do I contend that he was the only competent man. There may be other equally competent persons.
I cannot help but refer to the manner in which Shri Gill was removed. Before the Parliament was adjourned, for the first time in the history of free India, 124 Members of Rajya Sabha wrote a letter to the Prime Minister of India, with a copy to the President of India, that they would oppose this amendment. The Bill was not deliberately taken to Rajya Sabha. After Parliament was adjourned, they promulgated an ordinance.
There is a tendency to equate this ordinance with the ordinance I promulgated. When I promulgated the ordinance, because of the support lent by the Congress Party we had the support in both the Houses, I consulted the Congress Party”s leader. Secondly, there is nothing wrong in promulgating an ordinance. But they did not produce it before the House. They may turn around and ask, `Did you produce?” I did not because I could not. I was not around to produce the ordinance before Parliament. But they were around. They promulgated the ordinance and threw out, the Chief Executive Officer, But, the I & B Minister never turned up in Parliament with the ordinance. This is a biggest fraud played on the Constitution, having regard to the manner in which Rajya Sabha was deliberately bypassed.
Okay, Shri Gill is not indispensable, but somebody else could have been appointed. Nobody has been appointed. Two years were completed. Two members of the Board had to be retired. I was told on April 1, 1999; subject to confirmation by the Minister (I am not supposed to know what is transpiring in his Ministry) that there was a notification to the effect that two of the six members of Prasar Bharati Board would be retired through a neutral process of drawing of lots. One, of course, was elevated as Governor. I do not know what happened to this notification. On one fine morning, two people were handpicked — Prof. Romilla Thapar and Shri Rajendra Yadav.
To call Prof. Romilla Thapar no more than a Leftist is to indulge in intellectual violence, analytical vulgarity and academic obscenity. Prof. Romilla Thapar, ironically, ten days before she was removed, was honoured with the Fellowship of the British Royal Academy, the highest honour the Great Britain can confer in the area of social sciences. The first Indian to receive this honour was Prof. Radhakrishnan. The other Indians who received this honour include such people like M.N. Srinivas, the founder of Indian sociology, who passed away recently and Prof. K.N. Raj, the doyen of Indian economists. Prof. Romilla Thapar is an internationally acclaimed historian. They heap humiliation on a person of this stature! They see red in every bush. They are practising McCarthyism. Shri Rajendra Yadav is nothing more than a Leftist for them. Okay, they are, of course, benighted leftists who need to be consigned to the dustbin of history because the blessed BJP is in power. What else can be done?
What else can be done? But what did they do with the other people? Prof. U.R. Rao has been found fit for only four-year term. Do we have a more eminent Space Scientist who had hands on experience with communications? Who had more to do with the INSAT than Prof. U.R. Rao? May I enlighten the Minister that Prof. U.R. Rao received the prestigious International Award from the Association of International Aeronautics for his magnum opus? He wrote on the social Applications of Space Technology. He was only given a four-year term!
Shri Abid Hussain who distinguished himself as a bureaucrat, as a diplomat, who is now serving as a rapporteur on the UN Human Rights Commission has been considered fit for only four-year term. Does it behove any Government inflict this kind of mortification on men of our eminence? They were, at least, kind enough to Shri Verghese. They gave him a six-year term but they kept one six-year vacancy unfilled deliberately. For whom, Sir?
Now, Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have a Prasar Bharati Board. What a phantom Board we have! We have an acting Director-General of Doordarshan, we have an acting Director-General of All India Radio, we have an acting Chief Executive Officer. Nothing against the present Chief Executive Officer. He is an excellent officer. But he is an Additional Secretary to the Government of India. That is my complaint. There is no Chairman. Shri Nikhil Chakraborty was also condemned as a Leftist though he was the doyen of Indian journalists, be that as it may, he passed away. Sir, they did not deem it fit to fill the vacancy of Chairman. They have not framed the rules so far under the Prasar Bharati Act. This is an act of deliberate omission. They are guilty of masterly inaction.
Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Government is not only willing to wound but willing to kill. But they are unable to do so because they do not have majority in the Rajya Sabha. If it could, it would have rolled back the Prasar Bharati into the Bay of Bengal. What are they instead? It is stifling. The infant is being stifled. If the infant is stifled in this manner, the growth of this institution would remain retarded.
Therefore, I said, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am speaking more with agony because there is no point in losing temper on people who cannot be credited with sensitivity. Now, our Minister came out with a new proposition that `there must be persons only drawn from the Media.” It was said in the past, `The war is much too important to be left to the Generals. The Prasar Bharati is much too important to be left to the Media experts.” There must be experts drawn from different disciplines to facilitate, what should I say, cross-fertilization of ideas. They must have people from different disciplines. It is never too late. Why I am saying so, why I am wasting my breath, because it is not too late to resurrect this body. And now, an orchestrated campaign has been unleashed to say that the Prasar Bharati Board has failed.
You never allowed it to function. It was never fully constituted. You have been trying to sabotage it from the word go and from the day one.
Shri Arun Jaitley, being a professional lawyer, is fond of his own professionalism. None is opposed to professionalism. But professionalism at what level? It may be there at the level of functioning but not at the level of the members of Prasar Bharati. I am happy to find Dr. Nitish Sengupta here who served a committee. He is also one of those who headed one Committee. I should say in fairness to him that he made many useful recommendations. I drew upon some of the recommendations. I am referring to those things when I promulgated an Ordinance. I hope our hon. Minister will prove my fears to be liars. In the name of professionalisation, he may try to indulge in saffronisation. That is my solid fear. I want to enquire with our non-BJP partners of NDA as to why none of them has been given HRD portfolio, Home Ministry or IB. Dear friends, please wake up and realise that none of you are considered fit for these portfolios. You cannot be trusted to carry on the Agenda.
SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN (BALASORE): Do you want us to learn just to cross over to Congress just as you have learnt to cross over to Congress? Are you asking everybody to go there or what? Do you want us to do just as what you have done?
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Some interventions are treated with benign neglect. Our hon. Minister may say Prasar Bharati is on trial. Through you I would like to tell him that it is not Prasar Bharati which is on trial. It is the Minister who is on trial. It is you who are in the dock. I hope at least now he will rise to the collective call of the country and liberate the electronic media from the Government”s stranglehold.
I can give examples galore when the Government intervened, not during his Ministry, but at the time of his predecessor. But I do not want to waste the time of the House. I am dealing with the principle. Therefore, I want the hon. Minister to rise to the occasion and see that this infant is allowed to grow at its natural pace and our hon. Minister should also realise that we have the largest network in the world. If you think the Government must have its own Channel, then you must have your own newspaper. You can start your own newspaper, but you will not find newspaper readers. Therefore, please recover from your ancient background because you are living in BC while we are moving into the third millennium. I hope through internet, you will be able to travel into third millennium along with all of us.
“>DR. NITISH SENGUPTA (CONTAI): Mr. Chairman, Sir, thank you very much for giving me this opportunity.
“> Since Shri S. Jaipal Reddy referred to the Committee which I headed on Prasar Bharati, which happened to be the last of the many Committees on the subject, I would like to give a brief background. That Committee was set up when Shri P.A. Sangma was the Minister of Information and Broadcasting. I still remember the day when he called me to head that Committee. I said, `Look, I am not a mediaperson. Why are you troubling me”, to which he said, `No, I want someone like you, a management expert, an administration expert to tell us where the Act has gone wrong.”
“> Let me come to the background of 1990, till which time Doordarshan had a monopoly. That was why the question of autonomy became terribly important. The Verghese Committee and all the other Committees felt that since the Government had the uncontrolled power over news and current affairs; the political party in power could always take an unfair advantage of the complete control over Doordarshan and All India Radio. Therefore, autonomy was desirable. But by one of those paradoxes in history, Doordarshan lost that monopoly power almost before the ink was dried on the Prasar Bharati Act.
“> You will recall that the role that CNN played when the Kuwait-Iraq conflict erupted. The tremendous power wielded by satellite communication and the dish antenna was discovered for the first time. Then, all the other channels followed, both Indian and foreign.
“>16.31 hours (Shri Basu Deb Acharia in the Chair)
“> Mr. Chairman, today, the Indian viewer is no longer tied down to the monopoly of Doordarshan at all. He has a tremendous amount of choice: BBC, CNN and many other Indian channels. In fact, one of my recommendations in that Committee was that it was pointless to stick to a position that we would not give permission for uplinking to these satellite channels. That was a short-term Committee and no Committee has produced so much in a report as that Committee did with such a low cost to the Government. Neither the Chairman nor the members took any honorarium or anything. They took only the travelling expenses.
“> After Shri P.A. Sangma came Shrimati Sushma Swaraj. She told me to galvanize the Committee again and submit a Report quickly. I was going to submit an Interim Report and then the Final Report. I was asked to submit the Final Report quickly. Later on, Shri C.M. Ibrahim became the Minister. He had very strong views on satellite channels. He said, `Only over my dead body will the Indian Government permit uplinking facility to foreign channels.” I said, `You can take a view there but can you prevent the Internet from coming in? What is the point in allowing the satellite channels to go on like free floating sovereign agencies without any control? It is much better to give them licence which will not only give the Government the power to put conditions for approval and for licence but also bring in a lot of foreign exchange to the coffers of the Government of India.” It was done but anyway today the autonomy is gone. Today, the Indian viewer is no longer tied down to the monopoly of Doordarshan. Therefore, the question of autonomy becomes less and less important. That is the background which I would like hon. Members to appreciate.
“> A lot of reference has been made to the BBC. The BBC also had the first channel only for the Government, to disseminate the Government”s views. The BBC Charter also has a provision for the BBC to be given directives by the Government although after the Second World War that power has been exercised only once. During the Falkland Islands dispute, when the BBC was giving a lot of publicity to the sinking of an Argentinian cruiser by a British submarine, there was a lot of human angle to it and it showed how the British submarines were cruel to the Argentinians who were going down under the sea. At that time, the only directive which has been issued in half-a-century by the Government to the BBC was, `Please do not show it too much.” But this was not done.
“> It is not so much whether there is a law but much depends on the traditions that we build. The various practices and the kind of healthy traditions that we build gradually are really what are going to govern. After that conflict in the Gulf, there has been a lot of political changes. Maybe, it may take some time for the Government to appreciate the reality. I hope, they will try to recast the Prasar Bharati Act taking into account the vastly changed and fast-changing situation.
“> I had referred to two processes of change. When my Committee was deliberating, there was nothing called DTH but basically it was only about dish antenna and all that. But shortly after the Report was submitted, DTH came into the picture and again complicated the matter.
Even now, the Government is not able to take a decision on how to treat some of these technological problems which are appearing.
Mr. Chairman, my good friend, Mr. Jaipal Reddy has mentioned about he being made into an accused and of arbitrariness and all that. Is that completely correct? It is true that when he announced that the Prasar Bharati Act would be brought into operation, there was the support of the Congress. But on the 17th or 18th of November 1997, if I am not mistaken, the Congress announced the withdrawal of support. On 19th, the meeting of the Selection Committee took place. This could have taken place earlier also. On 19th, the meeting of the Selection Committee took place and on the 20th at midnight when the Congress had withdrawn support this announcement of the new Committee was made.
Constitutional propriety demands that such a major decision should be left to the successor Minister or the successor Government. Even if the decision has been taken, it should have been said that since they have lost the majority and since this Government is going out, let this matter be put up to the successor Government which will be coming in. So, I think that it is not correct to accuse the Government of fraud. I would not use strong words. He is my good friend. Perhaps, it was slightly improper to have hastened that notification at that time.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Since you have referred to me, may I give a clarification, if you yield?
DR. NITISH SENGUPTA : Yes, absolutely.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Firstly, it is not factually correct to say that the Congress party withdrew support on 17th November. The Congress Party, on 17th November said that if the DMK Ministers were not dropped, it might be constrained to withdraw support. Mr. Sengupta is a veteran bureaucrat; he is still a babe in the political woods. Therefore, let him to try to tread on a strange terrain.
DR. NITISH SENGUPTA : The other point is about the Government hastening it with the notification. By 20th, it was quite clear that the Congress was withdrawing support.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : No. No. It was not clear. Sir, this point needs to be clarified. I am happy that a person with a background of Mr. Nitish Sengupta had raised it, because it permits me to go on record with my clarification. You may please refer to any dates. I said that the Vice-President of India was requested to make selections on 30th October. After that, the Government had no role to play. Secondly, the Board was constituted through a notification on 23rd November, by which time, the Government had not fallen formally. The Congress had not written to the President of India at all. This is the point I would like to clarify.
DR. NITISH SENGUPTA : The question is whether it was proper to issue that notification because the power to issue that notification rests with the Government. The Government at that stage should have announced that it is an important decision. … (Interruptions)
SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (SILCHAR): During the last six months, before the elections, how many decisions were taken by this Government? Now, you are referring to one decision taken at that time.
DR. NITISH SENGUPTA : Let us confine our discussion to the present subject matter.
A question was raised about the removal – or I do not know whether we can call it removal – or just simply vacating the position under the law. I have told that there were many defects in the entire Act. It made the main author or the architect of that, Mr. Upendra issue a statement once in a Press briefing saying that this Act has become practically unworkable. That is why, there was a long delay in implementing the Act between 1990 and 1997. Successive Governments came, but nobody bothered about that Act at all, although it has been passed unanimously.
Well, certainly, Mr. Jaipal Reddy deserves a lot of credit for implementing this Act, for the first time. When the persons from the Media asked him as to what happened to the recommendations of the Nitish Sengupta Committee some of which are very appropriate, he did announce that he shall give effect to them through legislation later on, but just then he was in a hurry to introduce that law because for eight years they had been sitting on it.
Eight years of delay took place between the passing of the Act and its implementation. These eight years were very very crucial. Now, there is a sea change in the technological scenario and the electronic media scenario. Things are no longer what they were in the seventies and eighties. The Act itself says that the term of the Members would be for six years and one-third of them will retire every two years. The Government will retire two of them after every two years. The Government has the power to do it and the Government went about it. According to whatever limited facts that I have been able to gather, the Government decided to really concentrate on those who are in the media and who had direct professional relationship with the media field and decided to retain them. The Government chose to retire those who did not have that direct professional experience or attachment to the media field. That is why the question of retiring one lady and one gentleman came up. But, bear in mind, not a single BJP person has been picked up and placed in their place. I would have understood it if the Government is set on saffronising the whole thing and removing the known Leftists. But that is not borne out by the facts because not a single saffron person has been put in their place. Still the vacancies exist and we have to see what the Government is going to do. I think it is unfair to accuse the Government at this stage of being particularly biased against the Leftists or people of Left protestations. The Government has decided to retain those eminent people like space scientist Shri U.R. Rao and Shri Abid Hussain. Shri Nikhil Chakroborty who is my mentor has passed away. So, it is not correct to see or read anything and everything, when nothing is there. Therefore, I think, it would be unfair to blame the Minister and the Government that in a high handed manner they replaced two of the members and retained others. It is neither red nor saffron.
The Government had the power to replace two of them and it only followed the provisions of law. One of the two members even went to the High Court and that petition, I understand, had been dismissed. So, the High Court have read the law correctly and they have decided on the basis of their understanding of what the law says. It has been said that three Ministers of the BJP have spoken in three different voices. That only shows that there is some internal democracy in BJP. That only shows that they are not controlled by the Sangh parivar or some other organisations. Shrimati Sushma Swaraj took very keen interest in Prasar Bharati. She wanted to recommend some of the recommendations that my Committee had recommended. Then, Shri Pramod Mahajan made a statement as to what is the point in providing autonomy when the Government is so much concerned and when the Government spends so much o money. A little while ago I mentioned that the entire question of autonomy has become somewhat irrelevant because of the changes that have taken place in several fields.
I feel the Government should come out with a resurrected Prasar Bharati Act taking into account the great changes which have taken place in the political scenario, in the technological scenario etc., which brooks of no legal difficulty. So, I do hope that the changes which have taken place from 1990 onwards would be taken into account. Shri Jeevan Reddy, Supreme Court Justice has said that nobody has the right to control the air. But then the Doordarshan would be part of the Government media.
Therefore, the Committee to which a reference was made, of which I happened to be the Chairman, made a recommendation that like BBC, Channel-I should be devoted to only expressing the Government”s point of view, news or the current affairs and Channels II, III and IV should be devoted to things like, agriculture, health and population. Of course, they should also be permitted to raise a part of the resources through advertisements. Mr. Chairman, Sir, the basic point is, today, how do you make Doordarshan compete with the number of private channels that are there. Doordarshan is the national property but it must acquire competitive edge. There I think it is professionalisation or professionalism more than anything else which holds good.
Another recommendation of mine in regard to Doordarshan and All India Radio was this. Historically, Doordarshan was an off-shoot of the All India Radio system but there is no reason why they should be kept together. They should be separated because technologies are different, styles are different and even the programmes are also becoming quite different. If you see a discussion or something on Doordarshan, it will appear as if the whole thing is planned on the style of All India Radio. But, normally if you see the television programmes elsewhere, you will see an altogether different technology. I am sorry, I am going into some of these details.
The other point is regarding the Doordarshan and the All India Radio being kept together. Doordarshan is a glamour boy. Everybody from the AIR wants to go to Doordarshan. I would say that those who are in Doordarshan should be in Doordarshan only. Just to get the promotion they go to AIR, revert and again get back to Doordarshan as quickly as they can. This, Mr. Chairman, is all on the present situation.
As I have recommended, instead of statutory corporation, the Doordarshan and the AIR should be turned into two separate joint sector companies. I had a long discussion with Shri Jaipal Reddy and he asked me as to how I get across the figure of Rs.50,000 crore which the Government is supposed to have given as the value of the property. I told him that it is entirely by the figures which the department gave to me. I had suggested that shares should be issued to Government or others and they should be turned into the joint sector companies or separate companies. Who says, radio has become obsolete? Today, one of the wonders in the Western world has been the revival of radio and it competing with T.V, just as ground stations are competing with the satellites.
I have taken a lot of time. I am sorry for that. But it is not correct to say that the Government has committed fraud or have deliberately made use of or manipulated the law. On the other hand they have proceeded according to the law, as laid down in the Act which was passed unanimously in 1990.
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“>SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGLY): Sir, the BJP in power and the BJP out of power, are two different faces. This I say when I compare what Shri Pramod Mahajan had said and what today Shri Arun Jaitley has to say in regard to the autonomy or rather the undesirability of autonomy, particularly in respect of the Doordarshan and Akashvani the two electronic media. If we compare what the Government say today with what has been said earlier, my saying two faces of the BJP – out of power and in power – will be confirmed. I am referring to a larger figure in the saffron camp. His name is, Shri L.K. Advani. Immediately after the Janata Government had come under the leadership of Shri Morarji Desai, Shri Advani was the Minister for I&B. You may see what he had to say at that point of time. Of course, the Minister may now say that two decades have passed and a lot of changes have taken place. The Minister seems to be more conscious about the technological changes.
“>He is trying to emphasize accountability. He is trying to give focus to the credibility aspect of Doordarshan and Aakashvani. But things have not changed much about the concept of autonomy. As has been rightly pointed out by my esteemed colleague Shri Jaipal Reddy, since the 1960s, so many committees, so many individuals, experts, Parliamentarians and Ministers have been emphasizing that the only alternative was autonomy. Autonomy can be of different varieties. There should be public autonomy, so that people can have access to information. People have a right to information to communicate their feelings, emotions, messages and also have access to it.
“> Rightly in 1995 the historic judgment by the Supreme Court said that airways was a public property. There can be no governmental control or for that matter there can be no private control either. It is just like oxygen or river water. Airways is a public property.
“> I had been referring to the two faces of BJP. Now I shall refer to their two voices. They are speaking of the second generation reforms. They do not even know as to what happened to the first generation reforms. In their own manifesto they have written that since 1991, for six years, Congress Party had wasted the reforms process and they landed the country in distress and sorrow. Out of the eight years of reforms process, they refer to the first six years like this. In the last two-three years they have suddenly woken up to the second generation reforms. They say, they are selling this and that; they are opening it on a platter; they are making presentation of Navratnas; they are speaking so much of market economy and decontrol. Looking at the pace at which they are proceeding, even the World Bank is asking as to what we are doing – “> рдкрд╛рдЧрд▓ рд╣реИред рдпрд╣ рдХрдпрд╛ рдбрд╛рдпрд░реИрдХрд╢рди рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛, рдХрдпрд╛ рддрд░реАрдХрд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред “>
“>Mr. Paul Krugman and many other great advocates of reforms are criticising this and they themselves are taking a U-turn. Now they are speaking about reforms. That is a different story. But here is an area where they want to get back the control on the media.
“>SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO (KALAHANDI): I am on a Point of Order, Sir.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Under what rule?
“>SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO : Under Rule 376, Sir. My Point of Order is that when the hon. Member was referring to disinvestment and all that, he used the word `paagal”. I would request you, as this word is unparliamentary, to kindly expunge it from the proceedings.
“>SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : That can be done by you, Sir. Whether the word `pagal” is unparliamentary or not can be checked up and a direction can be given from the Chair. The Chair can check it up, Sir.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. Please continue.
“>SHRI BIKRAM KESHARI DEO : Sir, this is a serious matter.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: It is not unparliamentary. Please take your seat.
“>SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV : Perhaps you have not seen the Zero Hour. That is why you are questioning it. During that time, many of us are in that category!
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I must thank him because I did not hear the word. He has got it broadcast now.
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“>What I have been telling is that they are speaking in two voices.
“> Now I refer not to the divergent voices of BJP, but to the individual voice of the hon. Minister, an eminent lawyer, Shri Arun Jaitley. He said that autonomy was needed when their party first came to power as the official media had been misused earlier by the Congress Party. Now they are misusing it.
“> I am just reading a part of what has been stated by the eminent Hindi literator who has been unceremoniously removed from the Prasar Bharati Board. There was a Public Interest Litigation also against his removal on which the Delhi High Court had already given its judgement.
“>AN HON. MEMBER: But he lost the case.
“>SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : He lost the case; it is all right. But morally it is indignant; morally no civilised Government should do it. He said that, since the electoral process was set under way, he had assumed the authority on behalf of the Prasar Bharati Board to monitor the public grievances about the quality of political coverage in the electronic media. He, in this capacity, received no fewer than 1,500 complaints from the viewers about Doordarshan”s unseemly bias towards the BJP. He argues:
“> “For every individual who writes, there must be, at least, a thousand who share the same perception.”
“> Sir, they say that the Congress Party was misusing it and that is why, they had demanded autonomy, at that time. But now, the Prasar Bharati Board member himself is publicly saying that he had intervened against the misuse by the BJP during the election process. Then, the Chief Election Commissioner and the Election Commission had also intervened. They wanted to introduce a 24 hours News Channel to give publicity for the image building of their leader, to have an edge in the election. But the Election Commission had intervened in the matter. They could not forget and forgive the people who had been upholding the concept of autonomy and guarding the autonomous institution.
“> Sir, the Government had unceremoniously removed the members of the Prasar Bharati Board. Is this the way to remove them that the people should know that they have been removed only through newspapers? What does it show? This shows to the people that the BJP has come to power and they will remove everybody, whatever may be their status or however high the reputation and recognition they may be having throughout the world, be it in the Indian Council of Historical Research, be it in the NCERT, etc. Can they not show the simple courtesy of informing those people like Romila Thapar and Rajendra Yadav, on telephone about their removal? Is this a civilised Government? They do not even have the courtesy of informing those people, who have been honoured internationally and who have contributed to the Prasar Bharati Board in their capacity as members, by making a single telephone call. Can they justify it? No; they cannot justify it. So, they will have to keep silent. It never happens in any civilised country.
“> The member of the Prasar Bharati Board, who had been removed now, says:
“> “My ultimate objective is to ensure credibility of the medium…”
“> “…Because of this only autonomy was recommended.”
“> Sir, Doordarshan was once called `Indira Darshan” and the most eloquent speakers from that side, at that time, were Shri L.K. Advani and people who had been in the Opposition then, including our hon. Prime Minister. But now they are speaking in different voices among themselves also. Shri Arun Jaitley is speaking about accountability. He is also speaking about the autonomy required these days because, he says, this was misused by them. He is also speaking about credibility. But I shall give due credit to Shri Pramod Mahajan. He does not care for the hidden agenda. He does not have anything to hide. He says:
“> “Prasar Bharati has lost all relevance. It was wrong to constitute Prasar Bharati.”
“> Sir, in 1990, I was here, many of us were here and Shri P. Upendra discussed it for several hours with us. I have been associated with the Consultative Committee of the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting for several years, since 1980.
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Some of us were consulted at various levels and ultimately, a consensus was reached. BJP was a party to that. Their leaders were a party to that.
What is he saying? He says: “Ensuring autonomy to the Government, autonomy to the Government channel, it is a meaningless exercise. We are spending one thousand crores of rupees. How can we just allow this body to work without any Governmental control?” This is what Shri Pramod Mahajan says. He says further: “No Government would like to spend about Rs. 1,000 crore on DD and AIR and have no control over them in day to day activities, specially at the functioning of the Prasar Bharati.”
I just remind them that once our hon. Shri P.A. Sangma, when he was the Information and Broadcasting Minister, somewhere in the North-East had come out with a statement that Prasar Bharati was only an extended wing of the Government and it was meant for propagation of Government views only. This is what Shri Sangma had said. He was the Minister of Information and Broadcasting for a brief period. At that time, the entire Opposition including the leaders of the BJP joined in the protest and said that after the Prasar Bharati had been set up as a public autonomous body, the Ministers should not interfere in its functioning. Somehow, the Minister, Shri Sangma, tried to retract and backed out from the stand he had taken in public.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, there is another Member on behalf of my Party who will speak. So, I am trying to be brief.
Sir, he has talked about professionalism. What is professionalism? Let us define it. Yes, it is to put people like Shri Sonu Sen, Gnanamurthy, and others. Okay, they are professionals. But what about the presentation of pluralism of views, which is a verdict of the Supreme Court?
After six months, micro soft and some other things are going to come in Internet. In these days, a debate is going on, in this age of information technology, digital revolution, how more and more people will have access to global scenario, access to global information. You are trying to have a control over it. I do not know whether this is outside the Parliamentary parlance or not. They are living in the fools” paradise. You shall be punished by history, you shall be punished by the technology, and you shall be punished by the people next time when you face the people.
Firstly, he has taken one stand, that is professionalism. Immediately, when he saw that it would not stand the test of criticism, which was coming on, then he took a legal stand. He said that he removed them because he had got the authority and power and also said that they could go to the court. Why had this Prasar Bharati been set up? Why did you agree to it? Why are you still speak about autonomy? Why are you still speak about accountability?
Communications, broadcasting and telecommunication will ultimately converge. We have the Ministry of Information and Technology. Yesterday I was asking the hon. Minister for Communications a question. The Telecom Regulatory Authority of India has been set up by an Act of Parliament. They are defying the C&AG when the C&AG wanted to know from them as to what was the basis for the fixation of the tariff structure, which goes very much against the DoT and the Government companies.
Instead of giving them that information, they are going to the court and challenging the authority of the Comptroller and Auditor General and spending Government money. And you are saying that they are autonomous! Terms like `autonomy” and `independence” are being used by them only to confuse others. Even the regulator is accountable to someone and Prasar Bharati, of course, is accountable. But that does not mean that it is accountable to an individual Minister. There was a very big rally at Delhi. The Minister himself had, on the floor of the House, said that when the news had gone for broadcasting it, some higher-ups had intervened to say that no such news should go because it was a rally of the Third Front secular parties at Delhi. I had said that on the floor of the House also and no one had the guts to reply that day. They are behaving in a manner which will lead to their own graves. These people are behaving in a manner where they will lose their credibility. And if they want to control the electronic media, the electronic media also will lose its credibility. We have got excellent people. We have the best professionals in our structure in Doordarshan and also in Akashwani. Our people have been honoured. I can give you umpteen number of such cases. Our own Secretary was taken by Star TV Our own people in Doordarshan were taken by Zee TV and others. They are running their channels because of our own trained people and still they say we do not have professionals, and just to bring in professionalism, two eminent people had to be removed. No one will buy their argument. No one will buy their logic.
They are talking about so many irrelevant and meaningless things about technology and about digital technology age. I have been associated with a Select Committee under the leadership of Shri Sharad Pawar. I had the occasion to listen to many viewpoints. I have also been associated with the National Media Policy Group led by Shri Ram Vilas Paswan. When Shri K.P. Singh Deo was the Minister, he had set up that body and I was the privileged person to be associated with that body. I had the occasion to listen to so many things. The Congressmen had their own choice, their own preferences, their own authoritarian style of functioning and the BJP has been claiming that they are different, they are democratic. But now we see that there is no difference between them in the matter of misuse of the electronic media and also it is lopsided on information, education, entertainment. Now they say that on 26th January, we will have one Education Channel, we will have this, we will have that, but their preference is commercialisation, commerce and profit, not service. I shall only remind them that when Doordarshan had come first in the nineties, during the late Shrimati Indira Gandhi”s time, it was said that it will be the most meaningful instrument of social change, with emphasis on education, information and, of course, healthy entertainment, which they are themselves destroying, and I think they will destroy themselves by trying to destroy these institutions which are built up by the people of this country. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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“> резрепрепреж рдореЗрдВ рджреЛрдиреЛрдВ рд╕рджрдиреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рд╡рд┐рдзреЗрдпрдХ рдХреЛ рдмрд╣реБрдордд рд╕реЗ рдкрд╛рд░рд┐рдд рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдЙрди рем рд╡рд╖рд░реНреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдмреАрдЪ рдХрдИ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░реЗрдВ рдЖрдИрдВ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдиреЗ рдЙрд╕реЗ рдиреЛрдЯрд┐рдлрд╛рдИ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред резрепрепрем рдореЗрдВ рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рдЬреА рдЬрдм рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░рдг рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдмрдиреЗ рддреЛ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЛ рдиреЛрдЯрд┐рдлрд╛рдИ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдЗрд╕рдХреА рд╢реБрд░реБрдЖрдд рд╡рд┐рд╡рд╛рджреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рд╣реБрдИред рдореИрдВ рд░реЗреЬрдбреА рдЬреА рдХреА рдмрд╛рддреЗрдВ рдмреЬреЗ рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рд╕реЗ рд╕реБрди рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛ред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЕрдкрдиреА рд╢реИрд▓реА рдореЗрдВ рд╕рдм рдмрд╛рддреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд░рдЦрд╛ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдПрдХ рдЬрдЧрд╣ рдХреБрдЫ рдмрд╛рддреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЫреБрдкрд╛рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдпрд╣ рдорд╣рддреНрд╡рдкреВрд░реНрдг рд╡рд┐рд╖рдп рд╣реИред рдЬрдм рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рд╕рджрд╕реНрдпреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рдЗрд╕ рд╡рд┐рд╖рдп рдХреЛ рдЙрдард╛рдпрд╛ рддреЛ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЙрда рдХрд░ рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рдЬрд╡рд╛рдм рджреЗрдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред”>
“> резрепрепрен рдореЗрдВ рдПрдХ рдЕрдзреНрдпрд╛рджреЗрд╢ рдЖрдпрд╛ рдЬрдмрдХрд┐ рд╕рдВрд╕рдж рд╕рддреНрд░ рдмреБрд▓рд╛рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рд╕рдореНрдорди рдирд┐рдХрд▓ рдЪреБрдХрд╛ рдерд╛ред рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рдЬреА рдмреИрдареЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЬрдм рдпрд╣ рд╡рд┐рдкрдХреНрд╖ рдореЗрдВ рдереЗ рддреЛ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд╛ рд╡рд┐рд░реЛрдз рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗред рд▓рдЧрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдПрдХ рдЫрд┐рдкрд╛ рд╣реБрдЖ рдПрдЬреЗрдВрдбрд╛ рдЗрдирдХреЗ рдкрд╛рд╕ рднреА рдерд╛ред рд╡рд╣ рдЙрд╕реЗ рд▓рд╛рдЧреВ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдлрдЯрд╛рдлрдЯ рдЕрдзреНрдпрд╛рджреЗрд╢ рд▓рд╛рдПред”>
“> рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдмрд┐рд▓ рдХреЗ рем рдорд╣рддреНрд╡рдкреВрд░реНрдг рдмрд┐рдиреНрджреБ рдереЗред рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдпрд╣ рдкреНрд░рд╛рд╡рдзрд╛рди рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рд▓реЛрдХ рд╕рднрд╛ рдФрд░ рд░рд╛рдЬреНрдп рд╕рднрд╛ рдХреЗ рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рд╕рджрд╕реНрдпреЛрдВ рдХреА рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдореЗрдВ рднрд╛рдЧреАрджрд╛рд░реА рд╣реЛрдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХреЛ рд╡рд┐рд▓реЛрдкрд┐рдд рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рд╕реА.рдИ.рдУ. рдХреА рдРрдЬ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЕрдзрд┐рдХрддрдо рдРрдЬ ремреи рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рд╣реЛрдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЗрд╕реЗ рднреА рд╡рд┐рд▓реЛрдкрд┐рдд рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЖрдпреБ рд╕реАрдорд╛ рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░ рджреАред рдЗрдирдХреА рдкрд░рд┐рднрд╛рд╖рд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗ рд╡рд╣ ренреж рдХрд╛ рд╣реЛ, реореж рдХрд╛ рд╣реЛ, репреж рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рдХрд╛ рд╣реЛ рдпрд╛ резрежреж рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рдХрд╛ рд╣реЛред рдЗрд╕ рдХреНрд╖реЗрддреНрд░ рдореЗрдВ релрел рд╣рдЬрд╛рд░ рдХрд░реЛреЬ рд░реБрдкрдП рдХрд╛ рдкреВрдВрдЬреА рдирд┐рд╡реЗрд╢ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдлреБрд▓ рдЯрд╛рдЗрдо рдбрд╛рдпрд░реИрдХрдЯрд░ рд╡реНрд┐рд╣рдк рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╛рд╡рдзрд╛рди рдерд╛ред рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЛрдиреЗ рдЗрд╕ рдкрдж рдХреЛ рднреА рд╡рд┐рд▓реЛрдкрд┐рдд рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдЬрдм релрел рдХрд░реЛреЬ рд░реБрдкрдП рдХреА рд╡реНрдпрд╡рд╕реНрдерд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдореЗрдВ рдХреА рдЧрдИ рддреЛ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдпрд╣ рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЙрд╕ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рдХреЛ рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдордиреЛрдирд┐рдд рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рекрем рд╣рдЬрд╛рд░ рдХрд░реНрдордЪрд╛рд░реА рдереЗред рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдореЗрдВ рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рд╕реНрдерд╛рдирд╛рдВрддрд░рдг рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдерд╛ред рдЙрдирдХреЗ рдЕрдзреАрдирд╕реНрде рдЗрдирдХреЛ рдЖрдирд╛ рдерд╛ред рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд╛рд░реНрд┐рдордХ рдХреЗ рдирд┐рджреЗрд╢рдХ рдХрд╛ рдкрдж рднреА рдЧрд╛рдпрдм рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рд╕рдВрдпреБрдХрдд рдореЛрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рд╕рдордп рдЧреБрдЬрд░рд╛рд▓ рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рдЬреА рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдФрд░ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░рдг рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдереЗред рдбреА.рдПрдо.рдХреЗ. рдХреЗ рд╕рд╡рд╛рд▓ рдкрд░ рдпрд╣ рдШреЛрд╖рдгрд╛ рд╣реЛ рдЪреБрдХреА рдереА рдХрд┐ рд╕рдорд░реНрдерди рд╡рд╛рдкрд╕ рд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдПрдЧрд╛ред рдпрд╣ рдЗрд╕ рд╕рдордп рдЕрд╕рд╣рдорддрд┐ рдЬрддрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдЬрдмрдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХреА рдкреВрд░реА рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЛ рдЬрд╛рдирдХрд╛рд░реА рдереАред рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рдЙрд╕реА рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рднреА рдЬрд╛рдирдХрд╛рд░реА рдереА рдЬрд┐рд╕ рд╡рд┐рднрд╛рдЧ рдХреЗ рд╡рд╣ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдереЗред рдЗрдирдХреЛ рдХрд╣реАрдВ рдкрддрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЬрд╛рдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реА рд╣реИред реиреп рдЕрдХрддреВрдмрд░ рдХреЛ рдпрд╣ рд╕рджрди рдореЗрдВ рдЕрдзреНрдпрд╛рджреЗрд╢ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдЖрдПред рдЕрдЧрд▓реА резрен рддрд╛рд░реАрдЦ рдХреЛ рд╕реАрддрд╛рд░рд╛рдо рдХреЗрд╕рд░реА рдЬреА рдХрд╛ рдЕрд▓реНрдЯреАрдореЗрдЯрдо рдЖ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдбреА.рдПрдо.рдХреЗ. рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ рдмрд╛рд╣рд░ рдХреАрдЬрд┐рдП, рдирд╣реАрдВ рддреЛ рд╣рдо рд╕рдорд░реНрдерди рд╡рд╛рдкрд╕ рд▓реЗрдВрдЧреЗред рдЕрдЧрд▓реЗ рджрд┐рди резрео.резрез.резрепрепрен рдХреЛ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдкрд╛рд╕ рдиреЛрдЯ рдкреБрдЯ рдЕрдк рд╣реБрдЖ рдХрд┐ рдХреЙрд╕реНрдЯреАрдЯрдпреВрдЯ рджреА рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреАред”>
“> рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЗрд╕рдХреА рдЕрдЧрд▓реА рд╣рд░рдХрдд рд╕реБрдирд┐рдпреЗред резреп.резрез.репрен рдХреЛ рдПрдХ рджрд┐рди рдХреЗ рднреАрддрд░, рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдмреЛрд░реНрдб рдХрд╛ рдЧрдарди рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЬрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдЕрд╡рд╕реНрдерд╛ рдореЗрдВ рддрдм рддрдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реБрдЖ рдерд╛, рдЙрдк-рд░рд╛рд╖реНрдЯреНрд░рдкрддрд┐ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп, рдЪреЗрдпрд░рдореИрди, рдкреНрд░реИрд╕ рдХрд╛рдЙрдВрд╕рд┐рд▓ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп, рд░рд╛рд╖реНрдЯреНрд░рдкрддрд┐ рдЬреА рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдордиреЛрдиреАрдд рдХрд┐рдпреЗ рдЬрд╛рдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рдмрди рдЧрдП рдФрд░ рд╕рд┐рд▓реЗрдХрдЯ рдХрдореЗрдЯреА резреп рддрд╛рд░реАрдЦ рдХреЛ рдЧрдард┐рдд рд╣реБрдИред релрел рд╣рдЬрд╛рд░ рдХрд░реЛреЬ рд░реБрдкрдпреЗ рдХрд╛ рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рдкреВрдВрдЬреА рдирд┐рд╡реЗрд╢ рд╣реЛ, рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдмреЬрд╛ рдирд┐рд░реНрдгрдп рд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рдерд╛, рдПрдХ рд╢рд╛рдо рдХреЛ рдЫ: рд╕рджрд╕реНрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдордиреЛрдирдпрди рдХреА рдкреНрд░реШрд┐рдпрд╛ рдкреВрд░реА рд╣реБрдИред рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХреЛрдИ рд╣рд╕реНрддрдХреНрд╖реЗрдк рдирд╣реАрдВ рдерд╛ред рдЖрд╕рдорд╛рди рд╕реЗ рд╕рд╛рддреЛрдВ рдирд╛рдо рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЯрдкрдХ рдЧрдпреЗред”>
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Will you yield for a minute?
“>SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : I will not yield now; I will complete my speech, and then I will yield.
“> рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдПрдХ рд╢рд╛рдо рдореЗрдВ рдЫ: рдирд╛рдо рддрдп рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпреЗ рдЧрдпреЗред резреп рддрд╛рд░реАрдЦ рдХреЛ рд╕рд┐рд▓реЗрдХрдЯ рдХрдореЗрдЯреА рдХреА рдмреИрдардХ рд╣реЛ рдЧрдИ, рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╕реЗ рдирд╛рдо рдкреНрд░рд╕реНрддрд╛рд╡рд┐рдд рд╣реЛрдХрд░ рдЪрд▓рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ред реиреж.резрез.репрен рдХреЛ рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рд╕реАрддрд╛рд░рд╛рдо рдХреЗрд╕рд░реА рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдЕрдВрддрд┐рдо рд░реВрдк рд╕реЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЕрдВрддрд┐рдо рд╕рдордп рд╣реИ, рдбреА.рдПрдо.рдХреЗ. рдХреЛ реЬреЙрдк рдХрд░реЛ, рдирд╣реАрдВ рддреЛ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рд╕рдорд░реНрдерди рд╡рд╛рдкрд┐рд╕ рд▓реЗ рд▓реЗрдЧреАред рд╣рдо рд╕рдВрд╕рдж рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдмреИрдареЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдкрджрд╛рдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░реА рднреА рджреВрд░ рд╕реБрди рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реЛрдВрдЧреЗрдВ рдФрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧ рднреА рд╕реБрди рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реЛрдВрдЧреЗ, рднрд╛рд░рдд рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдиреЗ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдХреЗ рдкреИрдорд╛рдиреЗ рдкрд░ рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдореЗрдВ рдкрд╣рд▓реА рдмрд╛рд░ рдЗрддрдиреА рдПрдлреАрд╢рд┐рдПрдиреНрд╕реА рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред реиреж рддрд╛рд░реАрдЦ рдЙрд╕реЗ рдмрд╣рд╛рд▓ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдиреЛрдЯ рдореВрд╡ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЗрдирдХрд╛ рдПрдХ рд╡рд░реАрдп рдкрджрд╛рдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░реА рдЬреЛ рдЬреНрд╡рд╛рдЗрдВрдЯ рд╕реИреШреЗрдЯрд░реА рд▓реИрд╡рд▓ рдХрд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдХрд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдЪреАрдл рдПрдХрдЬреАрдХрдпреВрдЯрд┐рд╡ рдСрдлрд┐рд╕рд░ рдХрд╛ рдирд╛рдо рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕реНрддрд╛рд╡рд┐рдд рд╣реИ “>
“>He cannot be nominated as CEO because he has interests in Doordarshan and All India Radio. “> рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдЧрд┐рд▓ рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдФрд░ рдЙрдирдХреА рдкрддреНрдиреА рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рд╕реАрд░рд┐рдпрд▓ рдмрдирд╛рддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдЙрдирдореЗрдВ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗред рд░рд╛рдд рдореЗрдВ рдареАрдХ резрез рдмрдЬреЗ рдпрд╣ рд╕рдВрдЪрд┐рдХрд╛ рдЪрд▓рддреА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рд╕рдЪрд┐рд╡ рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдВрдЪрд┐рдХрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рд░рд╛рдд рдХреЗ резрез рдмрдЬреЗ рдХрд╛ рд╕рдордп рджреЗрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдПрдбреАрд╢рдирд▓ рд╕реИреШреЗрдЯрд░реА рд░рд╛рдд рдХреЗ резрез.рейреж рдмрдЬреЗ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд▓рд┐рдЦрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣ рдЕрд╕рдВрднрд╡ рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рдЧрдарди рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХрддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдпрд╣ рдирд┐рдпрдореЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдЦрд┐рд▓рд╛рдл рд╣реИред рд░рд╛рддреЛрдВ-рд░рд╛рдд рдПрдлреАрдбреЗрд╡рд┐рдЯ рд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЬрд┐рд╕ рд╕реА.рдИ.рдУ. рдХреА рдЗрдирдХреЗ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдирд┐рдпреБрдХрд┐рдд рдХреА рдЬрд╛рдиреА рдереА, рдЙрд╕рд╕реЗ рдПрдлреАрдбреЗрд╡рд┐рдЯ рд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдкрд╛рд╕ рдЗрдВрдЯрд░реЗрд╕реНрдЯ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдПрдлреАрдбреЗрд╡рд┐рдЯ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдирд╛рдо рдХреЛ рдкрд╛рд░ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХреА рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИред рдмрд╛рдд рд╡рд╣реАрдВ рдЦрддреНрдо рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реБрдИ, реиреж рддрд╛рд░реАрдЦ рд╕реЗ реирез рддрд╛рд░реАрдЦ рддрдХ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рд╕реА.рдИ.рдУ. рдХрд╛ рдЧрдарди рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдпреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рдЧрдарди – рднрд╛рд░рдд рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ рдРрд╕рд╛ рдХрднреА рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реБрдЖ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдПрдХ рд░рд╛рдд рдореЗрдВ реирек рдЬрдЧрд╣ рд╕рдВрдЪрд┐рдХрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИ, реирек рд╕реНрдерд╛рдиреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рд╕реИрдХрд╢рди рдСрдлрд┐рд╕рд░ рд╕реЗ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдЧрд╡рд░реНрдирдореИрдВрдЯ рдСрдл рдЗрдВрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рд╕реИреШреЗрдЯрд░реА рддрдХ рд╕рдВрдЪрд┐рдХрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ реирек рдШрдВрдЯреЗ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рд╕рдВрдЪрд┐рдХрд╛ рд╢реНрд░реА рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдХреЗ рдкрд╛рд╕ рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИред рд╡рд╣ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдЕрдВрддрд┐рдо рдирд┐рд░реНрдгрдп рджреЗрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рд╕реА.рдИ.рдУ. рдХреА рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдирд┐рдпреБрдХрд┐рдд рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рднрд╛рд░рдд рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ рдПрдХ рд╕рд╛рдзрд╛рд░рдг рд╕рд╛ рдирд┐рдпрдо рейренрен рдХрд╛ рдорд╛рдорд▓рд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рддреЛ рдиреМ рдорд╣реАрдиреЗ рддрдХ рдШреВрдорддрд╛ рд░рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЗрддрдиреА рдмреЬреА рдИрдХрд╛рдИ рдХреЗ рдЧрдарди рдореЗрдВ рдорд╛рддреНрд░ рекрео рдШрдВрдЯреЗ рд▓рдЧрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рджрд┐рди-рд░рд╛рдд рд╕рдВрдЪрд┐рдХрд╛ рдЪрд▓рддреА рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рд╢реНрд░реА рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рдХреЛ рджрд╛рдж рджреЗрддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рд╡рд╣ рджрд┐рди рдореЗрдВ рд╣реА рдХрд╛рдо рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ, рдмрд▓реНрд┐рдХ рд░рд╛рдд-рд░рд╛рдд рднрд░ рдЬрд╛рдЧрдХрд░ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдкреВрд░реЗ рд╡рд┐рднрд╛рдЧ рдХреЛ рд░рд╛рдд рднрд░ рдЬрдЧрд╛рдХрд░ рд░рдЦрддреЗ рдереЗред рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкреНрд░рддрдирд┐рдпреБрдХрд┐рдд рдкрд░ рдмреИрдард╛рдпрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЬ рдпрд╣ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдЬрдЧрд╣ рдкрд░ рдмреИрдареЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рдПрдХ рдмреЬрд╛ рдЦрддрд░рд╛ рд╣реЛрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓рд╛ рд╣реИред рдЧрд┐рд▓ рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдмреЬреЗ рдЕрдЪреНрдЫреЗ рд▓рд┐рдЯрд░реЗрдЪрд░рд┐рд╕реНрдЯ рдереЗ, рдиреЙрд╡рд▓ рд▓рд┐рдЦрддреЗ рдереЗ, рдХрд┐рддрд╛рдмреЗрдВ рд▓рд┐рдЦрддреЗ рдереЗред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдПрдХ рдХрд┐рддрд╛рдм рдарджрд┐ рдбрд╛рдЗрдиреЗрд╕реНрдЯреА”” рд▓рд┐рдЦреА, рдЬрд┐рд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдиреЗрд╣рд░реВ рдкрд░рд┐рд╡рд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рд╡рд░реНрдгрди рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд░реНрдгрди рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдиреЗ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдореИрдВ рдЙрд╕рдХрд╛ рдЙрд▓реНрд▓реЗрдЦ рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░ рд╕рдХрддрд╛ред рдЦрд╛рд╕рдХрд░ рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рдЬреАрд╡ рдЧрд╛рдВрдзреА рдЬреИрд╕рд╛ рд╡реНрдпрдХрд┐рдд рдЬреЛ рдЕрдм рджрд┐рд╡рдВрдЧрдд рдЖрддреНрдорд╛ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рднреА рд╡рд░реНрдгрди рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпреИ рд╣реИред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЙрд╕ рдХрд┐рддрд╛рдм рдореЗрдВ рдЬреЛ рд╡рд░реНрдгрди рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕рд╕реЗ рдореБрдЭреЗ рдмреЬрд╛ рдЕрдлрд╕реЛрд╕ рд╣реБрдЖ рд╣реИред рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рдЖрдЬ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдЬрдЧрд╣ рдмреИрдареЗ рд╣реБрдП рд╣реИрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЗрди рд╕рдм рдмрд╛рддреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдореЗрд░рд╛ рдХреЛрдИ рд╡рд┐рд╢реЗрд╖ рдордХрд╕рдж рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ, рдореИрдВ рд╕рд┐рд░реНрдл рдпрд╣ рджрд░реНрд╢рд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рд░рд╛рдЬрдиреАрддрд┐ рдореЗрдВ рдХрд┐рддрдирд╛ рдмреЬрд╛ рдЕрдкрд╡рд╛рдж рд╣реИред рдореБрдЭреЗ рджреБрдЦ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдЬрдм рдореИрдВ рд╕рджрди рдореЗрдВ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХреЛ рдЙрдард╛рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╣рд░ рдмрд╛рд░ рд╣рд░ рд╕рдорд╕реНрдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рд╕рдордп рд╣рд░ рдиреЗрддрд╛ рдХреЛ рдЕрдкрдиреА-рдЕрдкрдиреА рдЭреЛрд▓реА рдореЗрдВ рдЭрд╛рдВрдХрдХрд░ рджреЗрдЦрдирд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдХрд┐рд╕ рдкрд░рд╕реНрд┐рдерддрд┐ рдореЗрдВ рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдмреЬрд╛ рдирд┐рд░реНрдгрдп рд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЬ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдкрд░ рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдЙрдард╛рдИ рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЬреЛ рд╡реНрдпрд╡рд╕реНрдерд╛ рдЙрд╕рдХреА рднреАрддрд░ рдХреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдкрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдХрд╖реНрдЯ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИред … (рд╡реНрдпрд╡рдзрд╛рди)”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : He is not yielding; so, I will allow you after him.
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, I have a right.
“>SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : I have a right to carry on.
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I have a right to offer a personal clarification.
“>SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : I know that these various things which I am just telling you are hurting you. But then, in the interest of this country, I am compelled to speak out these things.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Shri Reddy, he is not yielding.
“> … (Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: You can speak after he completes his submission.
“> … (Interruptions)
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, I have every right to offer a personal clarification … (Interruptions)
“> рдбреЙ. рд░рдШреБрд╡рдВрд╢ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рдж рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ (рд╡реИрд╢рд╛рд▓реА) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдХреЛрдИ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдмреИрдард╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕рдХрд╛ рдирд╛рдо рд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдП рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕ рдкрд░ рдпрджрд┐ рдХреЛрдИ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рд▓рдЧрд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдП, рддреЛ рд╡рд╣ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдХрд▓реИрд░реАрдлрд┐рдХреЗрд╢рди рджреЗрдЧрд╛ рдпрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ?
“>… (рд╡реНрдпрд╡рдзрд╛рди)”> “>
“>SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : Sir, he has the right to offer a clarification … (Interruptions)
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, I would rise only to offer my personal clarification … (Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: But he is not yielding. You can speak after he finished his submission.
“> … (Interruptions)
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, there is no question of that … (Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: I will give you a chance then.
“> … (Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Under what rule do you want to intervene?
“> … (Interruptions)
“> рдбреЙ. рд░рдШреБрд╡рдВрд╢ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рдж рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рд╣рдо рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдмреИрдареЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рдЕрдЧрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдКрдкрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рд▓рдЧрд╛рдП, рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рдирд╛рдо рд▓реЗ, рддреЛ рдХрдпрд╛ рд╣рдо рдмреИрдареЗ рд░рд╣реЗрдВрдЧреЗ? рдирд┐рдпрдореЛрдВ рдХреА рдХрд┐рддрд╛рдм рджреЗрдЦ рд▓реАрдЬрд┐рдП, рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд▓рд┐рдЦрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рдкрд░реНрд╕рдирд▓ рдПрдХрд╕рдкреНрд▓реЗрдиреЗрд╢рди рджреЗ рд╕рдХреЗрдЧрд╛ред”>
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, you could consult everybody. I have the inalienable right to offer my personal clarification … (Interruptions)I have the right to offer a personal clarification … (Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: All right. You have the right to clarify your point. But I will give you a chance after he finishes his submission.
“> … (Interruptions)
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, the only problem is that he is making some points now and later on … (Interruptions) if I clarify the points … (Interruptions)
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рдЬреАрд╡ рдкреНрд░рддрд╛рдк рд░реВрдбреА рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореИрдВ рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдкрд░ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рдирд╣реАрдВ рд▓рдЧрд╛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдЬреЛ рд╕рддреНрдп рд╣реИ рд╡рд╣ рдмрддрд╛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реВрдВред
… (┬┤┬к├Й┬┤├Йv├Й├Йx├Й)”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: You speak after he completes.
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Sir, my clarification at that stage may be slightly out of place. Therefore, I need to clarify now so that the hon. Member can also be enlightened … (Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: You can speak after he completes.
“> Shri Rudy, you may continue.
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рдЬреАрд╡ рдкреНрд░рддрд╛рдк рд░реВрдбреА : рд╕рднрд╛рддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдкреВрд░реЗ рд╕рджрди рдХреЛ рдмреЬрд╛ рдХрд╖реНрдЯ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕ рд╡рд┐рд╖рдп рдХреЛ рдореИрдВ рдХреБрдЫ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдмреАрдЪ рдЙрдард╛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдпрд╣ рд╡рд┐рд╖рдп рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЖрдпрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╢реНрд░реАрдорддреА рд░реЛрдорд┐рд▓рд╛ рдерд╛рдкрд░ рдФрд░ рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рдЬреЗрдиреНрджреНрд░ рдпрд╛рджрд╡ рдХреЛ рд╣рдЯрд╛ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рдмреЬрд╛ рдХрд╖реНрдЯ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рд▓реИрдлрдЯ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рдереА рднреА рдпрд╣ рд╕рдордЭрд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдмреЬрд╛ рдЧреЬрдмреЬ рдХрд╛рдо рд╣реБрдЖ рд╣реИред”>
“> рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдЧрдарди рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рд╕реЗ рдкреНрд░рддрд┐ рд╡рд░реНрд╖ резрекрежреж рд╕реЗ резрелрежреж рдХрд░реЛреЬ рд░реБрдкрдП рдХрд╛ рдЦрд░реНрдЪ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ рд╡рд╣рди рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдкреЬ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕рд╕реЗ рдХреЗрд╡рд▓ релрелреж рдХрд░реЛреЬ рд░реБрдкрдП рдХреА рдЖрдп рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рднреА рдЗрд╕ рддрд░рдл рдЖрдХрд░реНрд┐рд╖рдд рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ резрепрепрем рд╕реЗ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ резрепрепреп рддрдХ рдкреВрд░реЗ рджреЗрд╢ рдореЗрдВ рдПрдбрд╡рд░реНрдЯрд╛рдЗрдЬрдореЗрдВрдЯ рдХреЗ рд╕реИрдХрдЯрд░ рдореЗрдВ ренрем рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╢рдд рдХреА рдмреЭреЛрддреНрддрд░реА рд╣реБрдИ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕ рдЕрд╡рдзрд┐ рдореЗрдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рд╣реЛрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рднреА рд╕рд╛рдд рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╢рдд рдХреА рдЧрд┐рд░рд╛рд╡рдЯ рдЖрдИ рд╣реИред рдЕрдЧрд░ рдЗрддрдиреЗ рд╣реА рд╕рдХреНрд╖рдо рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдкрджрд╛рдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░реА рд╣реЛрддреЗ рдФрд░ рдкреИрдирд▓ рдореЗрдВ рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рдирд╛рдо рд╣реЛрддрд╛, рддреЛ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдФрдЯреЛрдиреМрдореА рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╣рдо рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рдереЗ, рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдореИрд░рд┐рдЯ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╣рдо рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рдереЗ, рдЬреЛ рд▓рдХреНрд╖рдп рд╣рдо рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рдЖрдЬ рдЪрд╛рд░ рд╕рд╛рд▓ рд╕реЗ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕ рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рд╡рд╣ рдХрдпреЛрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдкреНрдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░ рд╕рдХреЗред рдореИрдВ рдорд╛рдирддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреА рдЧреБрдгрд╡рддреНрддрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдХреЛрдИ рджреЛрд╖ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд┐рди рд╡реНрдпрдХрд┐рддрдпреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рдЪрдпрди рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЬрд┐рди рдХреЛ рдХреБрд░реНрд╕реА рдкрд░ рдмреИрдард╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЙрдирдореЗрдВ рд╕реЗ рдХреБрдЫ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЬреЛ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдЬрд┐рдореНрдореЗрджрд╛рд░ рд╣реЛрдиреЗ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП рдереЗ, рд╡реЗ рдЬрд┐рдореНрдореЗрджрд╛рд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдмрдирд╛рдП рдЧрдПред рд╡реИрд╕реЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЬрд┐рдирдХреА рднреВрдорд┐рдХрд╛ рд╕рдХреНрд╖рдо рдирд╣реАрдВ рдереА, рдЬреЛ рд▓рд╛рдпрдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдереЗ, рдЙрд╕ рдпреЛрдЧреНрдпрддрд╛ рдХреЛ рджрд░реНрд╢рд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рд╕реНрд┐рдерддрд┐ рдореЗрдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдереЗ, рдЙрдирдХреЛ рд╡рд░реНрддрдорд╛рди рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдиреЗ рдмреЬреЗ рдврдВрдЧ рд╕реЗ рдирд┐рдХрд╛рд▓рдиреЗ рдХрд╛, рдмрд╛рд╣рд░ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдПрдХ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдЙрди рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдВрд╡рд┐рдзрд╛рди рдХреЗ рддрд╣рдд, рдЙрд╕ рдирд┐рдпрдо рдХреЗ рддрд╣рдд рдмрд╛рд╣рд░ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдерд╛, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╡реЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЧрдПред рдЗрд╕ рд╣рд┐рд╕рд╛рдм рд╕реЗ рдЗрд╕рдХреА рдЬреЛ рдордиреЛрднрд╛рд╡рдирд╛ рд╣реИ рд╡рд╣ рдареАрдХ рд╣реИред рдЬреИрд╕рд╛ рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдмрд╛рд░-рдмрд╛рд░ рдмрд╛рдд рдЖрддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХрд╛ рдХреЛрдИ рд╣рд┐рдбрди рдПрдЬреЗрдВрдбрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдореИрдВ рдмрддрд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХрд╛ рдПрдХ рд╣реА рдПрдЬреЗрдВрдбрд╛ рд╣реИ рд░рд╛рд╖реНрдЯреНрд░рд╣рд┐рддред рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдЕрд▓рд╛рд╡рд╛ рдФрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рдПрдЬреЗрдВрдбрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред”>
Sir, Shri Jaipal Reddy has said that the air belongs to all of us. He quoted Pandit Nehru forgetting what Shri Gill had written in his book `The Dynasty”. He has quoted the judgement of the Supreme Court while forgetting the activities which took place right under his nose in his Ministry then. He had said that his job as a Minister was to become jobless in the Ministry to make the Prasar Bharati strong. The Government knows very well as to how did they perform then.
рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдмрд╛рдХреА рд╕рджрд╕реНрдпреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рд╕реЗ рдХрд┐рд╕ рдХреА рдХрд┐рддрдиреА-рдХрд┐рддрдиреА рдЕрд╡рдзрд┐ рд░рд╣реЗрдЧреА, рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рддрдХ рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рд╕рд╡рд╛рд▓ рд╣реИ, рд╢реНрд░реА рд╡рд┐рдЬрдп рд╡рд░реНрдЧреАрдп рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рд╡реНрдпрдХрд┐рдд рд╣реИрдВ, рдкреВрд░рд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдЙрдирдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд╛рдирддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЖрдмрд┐рдж рд╣реБрд╕реИрди рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдбрд┐рдкреНрд▓реЛрдореИрдЯ рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рд░рд╛рдЬреАрд╡ рдЧрд╛рдВрдзреА рдлрд╛рдЙрдВрдбреЗрд╢рди рд╕реЗ рдЬреБреЬреЗ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЕрдЧрд░ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рд╡реИрд╕реА рдХреЛрдИ рдордВрд╢рд╛ рд╣реЛрддреА, рддреЛ рд╡реЗ рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрддреЗред рдпреВ.рдЖрд░. рд░рд╛рд╡ рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рд╕реНрдкреЗрд╕ рдЯреИрдХрдиреМрд▓реЛрдЬреА рдХреЗ рд╡рд┐рд╢реЗрд╖рдЬреНрдЮ рд╣реИрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдЬ рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЬреА рдиреЗ рддреАрди рд╕рджрд╕реНрдпреЛрдВ рдХреА рдПрдХ рдХрдореЗрдЯреА рдмрдирд╛рдИ рд╣реИред рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХреЛрдИ рджреВрд╕рд░реА рдиреАрдпрдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд┐рди рд╡реНрдпрдХрд┐рддрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд░рдЦрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИ рд╡реЗ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдореВрд▓ рдЙрджреНрджреЗрд╢реНрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╣реИрдВред рдЬрд┐рди рдирд╛рдореЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╢рд╛рдорд┐рд▓ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд░рдЦрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИ- рдирд╛рд░рд╛рдпрдг рдореВрд░реНрд┐рдд рдХреЛ рдЬрд┐рдирдХреЛ рдкреВрд░рд╛ рднрд╛рд░рдд рдЬрд╛рдирддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдкреВрд░рд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдЬрд╛рдирддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╡реЗ рдЗрдиреНрдлрд░реНрдореЗрд╢рди рдЯреИрдХрдиреМрд▓реМрдЬреА рдХреЗ рд╡рд┐рдЬрд╛рд░реНрдб рд╣реИрдВред рд╕реБрд▓реНрд▓реВ рд╕реЗрди, рдЬреЛ рджреЗрд╢ рднрд░ рдореЗрдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдмрд▓реНрд┐рдХ рдкреВрд░реЗ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдореЗрдВ рдорд╛рд░реНрдХреЗрдЯ рдХрдВрд╕рд▓реНрдЯреЗрдВрд╕реА рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдЬрд╛рдиреЗ рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред
рдХрд┐рд░рдг рдХрд╛рд░рдирд┐рдХ, рдЬреЛ рднреА рдЖрджрдореА рдЯреА.рд╡реА. рдЦреЛрд▓рддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдбрд┐рд╕реНрдХрд╡рд░реА рдЪреИрдирд▓ рджреЗрдЦреЗ рдмрдЧреИрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рд╣ рд╕рдХрддрд╛ред рдРрд╕реЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреА рд╕рдорддрд┐ рдмрдирд╛рдИ рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ рддрд╛рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреА рдЧрддрд╡рдзрд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рдПрдХ рдмрд╛рд░ рдлрд┐рд░ рдирд┐рд░реАрдХреНрд╖рдг рдХрд░рдХреЗ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд╛рдирдХрд╛рд░реА рдкреНрд░рд╛рдкреНрдд рдХреА рдЬрд╛рдпреЗред рдЖрдЬ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдореЗрдВ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд╣рдЯрд╛рдпреЗ рдЬрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХреЛ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рд╕рджрди рдореЗрдВ рдЗрд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдареАрдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рддреЛ рдЗрд╕ рд╕рджрди рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рдордиреЗ рдпрд╣реА рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдкрд░рд╕реНрд┐рдерддрд┐ рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдмреЛрд░реНрдб рдХрд╛ рдЧрдарди рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рд╣реБрдЖ рдФрд░ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рдЬреЛ рдордВрд╢рд╛ рд╣реИред … (рд╡реНрдпрд╡рдзрд╛рди)
Sir, I was the second speaker from the BJP. Somehow my name has gone down very low in the list as it has happened with Prasar Bharati.
MR. CHAIRMAN : You have already spoken for 25 minutes.
SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : But, Sir, there are many important points left with me. I will try to conclude early.
рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХреА рдмрд╛рддреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рд╕рд╣рдордд рд╣реВрдВред рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдЧрдарди рдЗрддреНрдпрд╛рджрд┐ рдмрд╣реБрдд рд╕рд╛рд░реЗ рдореБрджреНрджреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдХреА рд╣реИред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рдиреАрдпрдд рд╕рд╛рдл рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХреЛ рдорд╛рдирдХрд░ рдЪрд▓рддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдЬ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╕реНрдкрд░реНрдзрд╛ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рдХреНрд╖реЗрддреНрд░ рдореЗрдВ, рдЯреЗрд▓реАрд╡рд┐рдЬрди рдХреЗ рдХреНрд╖реЗрддреНрд░ рдореЗрдВ рдФрд░ рдШрд░ рдХреЗ рднреАрддрд░ рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рддрдорд╛рдо-
bombardment of television channels inside our houses.
рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╕реЗ рдпрд╣ рд╕рдм рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╕реНрдкрд░реНрдзрд╛ рдХреА рдЖрд╡рд╢реНрдпрдХрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЖрдЬ рдЬрд░реВрд░рдд рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЛ рднреА рдРрд╕реА рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрд╛ рджреА рдЬрд╛рдпреЗред рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рджрд┐рдиреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдкреВрд░реЗ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдХреЗ рдкреИрдорд╛рдиреЗ рдкрд░ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рд╣рдо рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рджреЗрдЦрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЬрд┐рд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдмрд╛рдХреА рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рджреЗрдЦрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрд╕реА рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдЗрд╕рдХреА рдЧреБрдгрд╡рддреНрддрд╛ рдРрд╕реА рд╣реЛред рдкреВрд░реЗ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдореЗрдВ рдЬреЛ рд╕рдВрд╕реНрдХрд╛рд░реЛрдВ рдХреА рдЧрд┐рд░рд╛рд╡рдЯ рд╣реИ, рдкреВрд░реЗ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдХреЗ рд╕реНрддрд░ рдкрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдмреАрдЪ рдореЗрдВ рд╕реЛрдЪ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╡реЗ рднрд╛рд░рдд рдХреЗ рдкреМрд░рд╛рдгрд┐рдХ рдЕрд╡рд╕реНрдерд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдкрд╣реБрдВрдЪреЗред рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рд╕реЛрдЪ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рднреА рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡ рдореЗрдВ рджреЗрдЦреЗ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдВ рдФрд░ рдЗрд╕рд╕реЗ рднрд╛рд░рдд рдХрд╛ рд╕рдореНрдорд╛рди рдмреЭреЗред рдЬреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрд╛ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдкрд╛рдВрд╡ рдкрд░ рдЦреЬреЗ рд╣реЛрдиреЗ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдЖрдЯреЛрдиреЙрдореА рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдкреВрд░реЗ рд╕рджрди рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рд╕рд╣рдордд рд╣реЛрдВрдЧреЗ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рджрд┐рдиреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рд╕рдмрд▓ рдиреЗрддреНреГрд╛рддреНрд╡ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде, рд╢реНрд░реА рдЕрдЯрд▓ рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░реА рд╡рд╛рдЬрдкреЗрдпреА рдХреЗ рд╕рдмрд▓ рдиреЗрддреНреГрд╛рддреНрд╡ рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдЬ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдкреВрд░реЗ рджреЗрд╢ рдореЗрдВ рдЪрд▓ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рддреЗрдЬ рддрд░реНрд░рд╛рд░ рдЗрдиреНрдлреЛрд░реНрдореЗрд╢рди рдПрдВрдб рдмреНрд░рд╛рдбрдХреЙрд╕реНрд┐рдЯрдВрдЧ рдордирд┐рд╕реНрдЯрд░ рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдирд┐рд░реНрдгрдп рд▓реЗрдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдПрдХрджрдо рддрдп рдХрд░реЗрдЧреА, рдПрдХрджрдо рдХрдЯрд┐рдмрджреНрдз рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рджрд┐рдиреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдкреВрд░реЗ рдирд┐рдпрдореЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд▓рд╛рдЧреВ рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП, рдЙрд╕рдХреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрд╛ рджреЗрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдЙрд╕ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпрд╡рд╛рд╣реА рдХреЛ рдкреВрд░рд╛ рдХрд░реЗрдВрдЧреЗред
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Mr. Chairman, Sir, Shri Rudy made specific references to some of the steps I took. Therefore, I am entitled to offer personal clarification.
BJP, perhaps like the Nazis, believe in repeating a big lie ten times so that it can pass for truth. I stated here, in the course of my presentation, that I notified the Act as early as the 22nd July, 1997. The Act came into irreversible operation as early as the 15th September. I wrote to the Vice-President of India on the 30th October. It should not be confused with 17th November.
The process of selection was initiated from the 30th October with the Vice-President as the Chairperson. Selections were made available to the Government on the 19th of November. The Government had no role to play in it. The Minister is a noted lawyer. As per Subsection (4), Section 4 of the Act, selections made by the Selections Committee are final and binding. Therefore, Shri Rudy is only a party to the process of spreading this Goebbelsesian lie.
SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : This requires explanation.
MR. CHAIRMAN: Giving explanations and counter-explanations is not allowed. Shri Rudy, please take your seat.
SHRI RAJIV PRATAP RUDY : Sir, this matter is the property of the House now. These are facts. There are documents substantiating what I have said. In spite of that when such statements are made in the House, they should be withdrawn.
Sir, he has said that I am just trying to be a part of the bigger lie game. I do not agree with this. Sir, I think, he should withdraw these words.
Yes, it is an accepted fact that we are here in the Ruling party. We appreciate the mistakes committed by him and that can be condoned. We will find ways to solve it. But then, he should accept it.
MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, please take your seat.
“> рдбреЙ. рдЧрд░рд┐рдЬрд╛ рд╡реНрдпрд╛рд╕ (рдЙрджрдпрдкреБрд░) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЖрдЬ рдЬрдм рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдкрд░ рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ рддреЛ рд╡рд╖рд░реНреЛрдВ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдХреА рд╡реЗ рдШрдЯрдирд╛рдПрдВ рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рджрд┐рдорд╛рдЧ рдореЗрдВ рдШреВрдо рд░рд╣реА рд╣реЛрдВрдЧреА рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЖрдИ. рдПрдВрдб рдмреА. рдордирд┐рд╕реНрдЯреНрд░реА рдХреЛ рджреЗрдЦрд╛ рд╣реИред рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдпрд╛рдж рд╣реИ рдЬрдм рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рд╕рддреНрддрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдереА рддрдм рдЖрдЬ рдЙрд╕ рддрд░рдл рдмреИрдареЗ рд╣реБрдП рд▓реЛрдЧ, рдЬреЛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдкрд░ рдкреНрд░рд╢реНрдирдЪрд┐рдиреНрд╣ рд▓рдЧрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреА рд╡рдХрд╛рд▓рдд рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдирд╣реАрдВ рдердХрддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдмрд╛рд░-рдмрд╛рд░ рддрддреНрдХрд╛рд▓реАрди рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдкрд░ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рд▓рдЧрд╛рддреЗ рдереЗ рдХрд┐ рд╣рдордиреЗ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рджреА, рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЗрд▓реИрдХрдЯреНрд░реЙрдирд┐рдХ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдкрд░ рдкреВрд░рд╛ рдХрдВрдЯреНрд░реЛрд▓ рд░рдЦрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдЬреЛ рдЖрдЬ рдХреА рдЖрд╡рд╢реНрдпрдХрддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдЙрд╕рд╕реЗ рджреВрд░ рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рдЖрдЬ рдЙрд╕ рддрд░рдл рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдХреА рдПрдХ рдЕрд▓рдЧ рдкрд░рд┐рднрд╛рд╖рд╛ рд╕реБрдирдХрд░ рдХреБрдЫ рдЕрдЬреАрдм рдЬрд░реВрд░ рд▓рдЧ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдХреБрдЫ рдЖрд╢реНрдЪрд░реНрдп рднреА рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдЬ рднреА рдПрдХ рд╡реНрдпрдХрд┐рдд рдРрд╕реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдЬреЛ рддрдм рднреА рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЬ рднреА рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЬ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдореМрдЬреВ рд╡рд┐рд╖рдп рдкрд░ рдпрд╣ рдбрд┐рдмреЗрдЯ рд░рдЦрдХрд░ рд╕рдмрдХреЛ рдЖрддреНрдорджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХрд╛ рдореМрдХрд╛ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдореЗрд░рд╛ рдЗрд╢рд╛рд░рд╛ рдбрд╛. рд░реИрдбреА рдХреА рддрд░рдл рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдореИрдВ рдЙрд╕ рд╡рдХрдд рдХрд╛ рдереЛреЬрд╛ рдЬрд┐реШ рдХрд░реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЬрдм резрепрепреж-репрез рдореЗрдВ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рдкрдХреНрд╖ рдХрд╛ рдирд┐рд╢рд╛рдирд╛ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдКрдкрд░ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рдерд╛ рдФрд░ рд╣рдо рддреАрди рдпрд╛ рдЪрд╛рд░ рдмрд╛рддреЗрдВ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ, рдЬреЛ рд╕рдЪ рднреА рдереАрдВред рдЯреИрдХрдиреЛрд▓реМрдЬреА рдХреЗ рд╣рд┐рд╕рд╛рдм рд╕реЗ рдмрд╣реБрдд рд╕рд╛рд░реА рдХрдореНрдкрдирд┐рдпрд╛рдВ рднрд╛рд░рдд рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реА рдереАрдВ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕ рд╡рдХрдд рд╕рдмрд╕реЗ рдмреЬрд╛ рдпрд╣ рдЦрддрд░рд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдЬ рдпрджрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХрд╛ рдпрд╣реА рд╕реНрд╡рд░реВрдк рд░рд╣рд╛ рддреЛ рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рдХрдпрд╛ рд╕рд▓реВрдХ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛, рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдХрд┐рд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рджрд┐рдЧреНрджрд░реНрд╢рди рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рдЯреЗрд▓реАрд╡рд┐рдЬрди рдХрд┐рд╕ рд╕реАрдорд╛ рддрдХ рдФрд░ рдХрд╣рд╛рдВ рддрдХ рдЯрд┐рдХ рдкрд╛рдПрдЧрд╛ред”>
“> рджреВрд╕рд░реА рд╕рдмрд╕реЗ рдорд╣рддреНрд╡рдкреВрд░реНрдг рдмрд╛рдд рдРрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдХреА рдереА рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рдВрдмрдВрдз рдореЗрдВ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рддрддреНрдХрд╛рд▓реАрди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЬреА рдиреЗ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд╣реА рдереАред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдореИрдВ рдСрдЯреЛрдиреЛрдореА рдХрд╛ рдкрдХреНрд╖рдзрд░ рд╣реВрдВ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдСрдЯреЛрдиреЛрдореА рдХрд╣реАрдВ рди рдХрд╣реАрдВ рдРрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓ рд╣реЛ, рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХреЛ рджреЗрдЦрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдиреЗ рднреА рдЙрд╕ рд╡рдХрдд рдпрд╣реА рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рдРрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдХрд╣рд╛рдВ рд╣реЛрдЧреА рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╕рдмрд╕реЗ рдмреЬреА рдмрд╛рдд рдпрд╣ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдмрд┐рд▓ рдХрд╛ рдЖрдирд╛ рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдмрд┐рд▓ рддрдм рддрдХ рдкреВрд░реА рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдмрди рд╕рдХрддрд╛ рдЬрдм рддрдХ рд╕рднреА рддрдмрдХреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ, рд╕рднреА рдкреЛрд▓реАрдЯрд┐рдХрд▓ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреАрдЬ рд╕реЗ рдФрд░ рд╕рднреА рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╕реЗ рдЬреБреЬреЗ рд╣реБрдП рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛ рдЬрд╛рддреАред”>
“> рддреАрд╕рд░реА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░реНрдордЪрд╛рд░рд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдХреА рдереА рдХрд┐ рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рд╕рдорд╛рдпреЛрдЬрди рдХреИрд╕реЗ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛, рдХрд╣рд╛рдВ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдФрд░ рдмрд╛рдд рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкрд░ рдЖрдХрд░ рд░реБрдХ рдЧрдИ рдХрд┐ рдЬрдм рддрдХ рд╣рдо рдЗрди рддрдмрдХреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░ рд╕рдХреЗрдВ, рд╣рдо рдСрдЯреЛрдиреЛрдореА рдХреЗ рдкрдХреНрд╖рдзрд░ рд╣реЛрдХрд░ рднреА рдЗрд╕ рдмрд┐рд▓ рдФрд░ рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдХреЛ рдЖрдзрд╛-рдЕрдзреВрд░рд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд▓рд╛рдиреЗ рджреЗрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреЗред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣ рдмрд┐рд▓ рдФрд░ рдЗрд╕рдХреА рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рд░реИрдбреА рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдХрд╛ рдмреЗрдмреА рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЬрдм рд╡реЗ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдмрдиреЗ рддреЛ рдЙрдирдХреА рдкрд╣рд▓реА рдкреНрд░рд╛рдердорд┐рдХрддрд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдмрд┐рд▓ рд▓рд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдереАред рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп, рдореБрдЭреЗ рдпрд╛рдж рд╣реИ, рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╡реНрдпрд╡рд╕рд╛рдпрд┐рдХрддрд╛ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде-рд╕рд╛рде рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рдмрджреНрдзрддрд╛ рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рд╣реИред рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдпрд╣ рднреА рдХрд╣рд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде-рд╕рд╛рде рдРрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рд╣реИред рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдерд╛, рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЧрд┐рд░ рдЧрдИ, рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдорд╛рд▓реВрдо рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдк рдХрд┐рддрдиреЗ рджрд┐рди рдореЗрдВ рдХрд░рддреЗ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рдРрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рддрдп рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдкрд╛рд░реНрд┐рд▓рдпрд╛рдореИрдВрдЯ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рдЬреЛ рд╕рдорд╛рдпреЛрдЬрди рд╣реЛ, рд╡рд╣ рдмрд┐рд▓ рд▓рд╛рдирд╛ рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рд╣реИред рдЖрдЬ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдкрдХреНрд╖рдзрд░, рдЬреИрд╕реЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рддреАрди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЙрд╕ рдмрд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреЗ рднреА рдмрдиреЗ рдФрд░ рддреАрдиреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдЕрд▓рдЧ-рдЕрд▓рдЧ рдордд рд╣реИрдВред рд╡реИрд╕реЗ рдЖрдИ. рдПрдВрдб рдмреА. рдордирд┐рд╕реНрдЯреНрд░реА рдореЗрдВ рдЕрд▓рдЧ-рдЕрд▓рдЧ рдордд рдФрд░ рдорддрд╛рдиреНрддрд░ рдХрд╛ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдХреЛрдИ рдирдИ рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рдЗрд╕реЗ рд╕реИрд▓реНрдл рд╕рд░реНрд┐рд╡рд╕ рдХреИрдлреЗрдЯреЗрд░рд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд░рддреА рдереА рдХрд┐ рд░реЛрдЬ рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рдЯреИрдХрдиреЛрд▓реМрдЬреА рдмрджрд▓рддреА рд╣реЛ, рд░реЛрдЬ рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рдХрдиреНрд╕реИрдкреНрдЯ рдмрджрд▓рддреЗ рд╣реЛрдВ, рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкрд░ рд╣рдо рдПрдХ рдмрд╛рдд рдкрд░ рдореМрди рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рд╣ рд╕рдХрддреЗ рдФрд░ рд╣рдореЗрдВ рднреА рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде-рд╕рд╛рде рдЪрд▓рдирд╛ рдкреЬрддрд╛ рд╣реИред”>
“> рдЖрдЬ рдЕрдзрд┐рдХ рдмрд╛рдд рди рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдореИрдВ рдХреБрдЫ рдкреНрд░рд╢реНрди рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╕реЗ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реВрдВред рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдпрд╣ рдирд╢реНрд┐рдЪрдд рдХрд░ рджреВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдХрднреА рднреА рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рд╡рд┐рд░реБрджреНрдз рдирд╣реАрдВ рдереА рдХрд┐ рдСрдЯреЛрдиреЛрдореА рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП рдФрд░ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдиреЗ рдХрднреА рднреА рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рдорд┐рд╕рдпреВрдЬ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛, рдЗрддрд┐рд╣рд╛рд╕ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд╛ рдЧрд╡рд╛рд╣ рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЪреВрдВрдХрд┐ рдЙрд╕ рд╡рдХрдд рд▓рдЧрд╛рддрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдХрд╛ рд╢рд╛рд╕рди рдерд╛, рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдкрд░ рдЖрдХреНрд╖реЗрдк рд▓рдЧрдирд╛ рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдиреНрдпреВрдЬ рдореЗрдВ, рдХрд░реИрдВрдЯ рдЕрдлреЗрдпрд░реНрд╕ рдореЗрдВ рдФрд░ рджреВрд╕рд░реЗ рдореИрдЯрд░реНрд╕ рдореЗрдВ рджрдЦрд▓рдЕрдВрджрд╛рдЬреА рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред”>
“> рд╕рдмрд╕реЗ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдореИрдВ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╕реЗ рдпрд╣реА рдкреВрдЫрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдЬ рдиреНрдпреВрдЬ рдХрд╛ рдХрдпрд╛ рд╕реНрд╡рд░реВрдк рд╣реИ? рдХрдпрд╛ резреж-резреи рд╕рд╛рд▓ рдореЗрдВ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХреЛрдИ рддрдмреНрджреАрд▓реА рд╣реБрдИ рд╣реИ рдпрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдФрд░ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХреБрдЫ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реИ рдпрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ? рдХрд░рдВрдЯ рдЕрдлреЗрдпрд░реНрд╕ рдХрд╛ рдХрдпрд╛ рд░реВрдк рд╣реИ? рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рддрдХ рдЖрдЯреЛрдиреЛрдореА рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╢реНрди рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкрд░ рд╡рд░реНрддрдорд╛рди рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдиреЗ рдпрд╣ рдирд╢реНрд┐рдЪрдд рд░реВрдк рд╕реЗ рд╕рддреНрдп рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЙрд╕реЗ рдХреЗрд╕рд░рд┐рдпрд╛ рдмрд╛рдирд╛ рдкрд╣рдирд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХреА рд╣реИред рдЕрдм реирек рдШрдВрдЯреЗ рд╕рдорд╛рдЪрд╛рд░реЛрдВ рдХреЗ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдиреЗрддрд╛ рдХреЛ рдкреНрд░реЛрдЬреЗрдХрдЯ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢, рджреВрд╕рд░реА рдмрд╛рдд рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рд▓рдЧрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдХреНрд╖реЗрддреНрд░реАрдп рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗрдиреНрджреНрд░ рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рд╣реИрдВ, рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдЕрдкрдиреА-рдЕрдкрдиреА рддрддреНрдХрд╛рд▓реАрди рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░реЛрдВ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдХреЗрд╕рд░рд┐рдпрд╛ рдмрд╛рдирд╛ рдкрд╣реБрдВрдЪ рд╕рдХреЗ рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рд╕реЗ рдХрд╛рд▓реЗ рдЖрджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рдЬрд░рд┐рдП рд╕рд╛рдВрд╕реНрдХреГрддрд┐рдХ рдЧрд░рд┐рдорд╛ рдкрд░ рдХреБрдард╛рд░рд╛рдШрд╛рдд рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХреА рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рд╡рд╣ рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗ рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░ рдпрд╛ рд░рд╛рдЬрд╕реНрдерд╛рди рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реЛред рд░реАрдЬрдирд▓ рдХреЗрдиреНрджреНрд░, рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рд╣рдордиреЗ рдЖрд╢рд╛рдиреНрд┐рд╡рдд рд╣реЛрдХрд░ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпрдХрд╛рд▓ рдореЗрдВ рд╕рдордп рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╡реЗ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рд╕рдВрд╕реНрдХреГрддрд┐ рд╕реЗ рдЬреБреЬреЗ рд░рд╣реЗрдВ, рдЖрдЬ рдкрддрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХрдпреЛрдВ рдЙрди рдмрд╛рддреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЙрд▓рдЭрд╛рдХрд░ рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд╕рдордп рдореЗрдВ рдХрдореА рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реИред”>
“> рдЧрд╛рдВрдзреА рдЬреА рдиреЗ резрепреиреи рдореЗрдВ рд╣рд░рд┐рдЬрди рдореЗрдВ рдПрдХ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд╣реА рдереА рдХрд┐ рдЖрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓рд╛ рд╕рдордп рдПрдХ рдЦреБрд▓реЗ рд╡рд╛рддрд╛рд╡рд░рдг рдХрд╛ рд╕рдордп рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рд╣рдо рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдкрд░ рднреА рдХрдВрдЯреНрд░реЛрд▓ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рдЦ рд╕рдХрддреЗред рдЖрдк рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рдмрд╛рдд рддреЛ рдХрд░ рд▓реА рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд┐рдВрдЯ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдлрд╛рд░реЗрди рдЗрдХрд┐рд╡рдЯреА рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрдЧреА рдпрд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧреА рддреЛ рдХрд┐рддрдиреА рд╣реЛрдЧреА, рдпрд╣ рдореБрдЭреЗ рдорд╛рд▓реВрдо рдирд╣реАрдВред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдкреНрд░рд╛рдЗрд╡реЗрдЯ рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рдХреЛ рдЬрдм рддрдХ рдЖрдк рдмрд┐рд▓ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЖрдПрдВрдЧреЗ, рдореИрдВ рдкреВрдЫрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕ рд╕рдореНрдмрдиреНрдз рдХреЗ рдХрдм рдмрд┐рд▓ рд▓рд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рддрд╛рдХрд┐ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрд╛, рдХрдорд┐рдЯрдореЗрдВрдЯ рдФрд░ рдПрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреАрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдмрдиреА рд░рд╣реЗ? рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдирд╢реНрд┐рдЪрдд рдХрд░реЗ рдХрд┐ рд╡рд╣ рдмрд┐рд▓ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдХрдм рдЖ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ? рдХрдпрд╛ рдЙрд╕ рдмрд┐рд▓ рдореЗрдВ рдХреЗрд╡рд▓ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реЛрдЧреА? рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рдЗрд╕реАрд▓рд┐рдП рджреЗрд░реА рдХреА рдереА рдХрд┐ рд╣рдо рдХреЗрд╡рд▓ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рддрдХ рд╕реАрдорд┐рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреЗ, рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдмрд╛рд╣рд░ рдХреЗ рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рднреА рдЖ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЬреЛ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдЗрд╡реЗрдЯ рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рдкрд░ рдЖрдЬ рдЖрдк рдШрдЯрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╡рд┐рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдкрди рдЕрд▓рд╛рдК рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд╕рдореНрдмрдиреНрдз рдореЗрдВ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рдХрдпрд╛ рдордВрд╢рд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧреА? рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЗрд╕ рдПрдХрдЯ рдХреЗ рддрд╣рдд рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреА рдкрд╛рд░реНрд┐рд▓рдпрд╛рдореЗрдВрдЯ рдкрд░ рдХрд┐рд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рдПрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдмрдиреЗрдЧреА, рдЕрднреА рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рдЦреБрд▓рд╛рд╕рд╛ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рд╣реИред рдореБрдЭреЗ рдРрд╕рд╛ рд▓рдЧ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣ рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЛ рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдПред рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдЗрд╡реЗрдЯ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдШрдЯрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреШрдо рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕реАрдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде-рд╕рд╛рде рд░реАрдЬрдирд▓ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреШрдореЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдХрдореА рддрдерд╛ рдХрдореАрд╢рдВрдб рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреШрдореЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдШрдкрд▓реЗрдмрд╛рдЬреА рдЖрдИ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЧрд┐рд░рд╛рд╡рдЯ рднреА рдЖрдИ рд╣реИред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рд╕рд╛рдереА рдареАрдХ рдХрд╣ рд░рд╣реЗ рдереЗ рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдмрдирдиреЗ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рднреА рд╡рд╣ рдЬрд╛рд░реА рд░рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рддреЛ рдкреНрд░рд╢реНрди рдЪрд┐рдиреНрд╣ рд▓рдЧрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдпрджрд┐ рдпрд╣ рдмрд┐рд▓ рд╢реАрдШреНрд░рддрд╛ рд╕реЗ рд▓рд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реИ рддреЛ рдХрдпрд╛ рдлрд┐рд░ рд╕реЗ рд╕рднреА рд░рд╛рдЬрдиреАрддрд┐рдХ рджрд▓реЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░реЗрдЧреА, рд╕рднреА рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░реЗрдЧреА, рдЬреИрд╕реЗ рдХреА рдЙрд╕ рд╡рдХрдд рддрддреНрдХрд╛рд▓реАрди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЬреА рдиреЗ рдмрд┐рд▓ рд▓рд╛рдиреЗ рдкрд░ рдХреА рдереА?”>
“> рдПрдХ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд╛ рдЬрд┐реШ рдореИрдВ рдФрд░ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧреАред рдмрд╣реБрдд рдмрд╛рд░ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рдирд╛рдореА-рдЧрд┐рд░рд╛рдореА рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рджрд╕реНрдп рдФрд░ рдЕрдзреНрдпрдХреНрд╖ рдмрдирд╛ рджрд┐рдП рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рддреЛ рдбрд╛. рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдореЗрдВ рд╣реИрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЧрд┐рд▓ рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдХреЛ рд╣рдЯрд╛рдпреЗ рдЬрд╛рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рддреЛ рдЕрдлрд╕реЛрд╕ рд╣реИ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЬрдм рдореИрдВ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдереА рддрдм рддрдХ рд╡реЗ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдкрд░ рдлрд┐рд▓реНрдореЗрдВ рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЙрдирдХреЛ рдЕрдзреНрдпрдХреНрд╖ рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛, рдЙрд╕ рд╡рдХрдд рднреА рд╡реЗ рдлрд┐рд▓реНрдо рдмрдирд╛рддреЗ рдереЗ рдпрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ, рдореБрдЭреЗ рдорд╛рд▓реВрдо рдирд╣реАрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рд░рдЦреЗ рдХрд┐ рдЬреЛ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЗрд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЬреБреЬреЗ рд╣реЛрдВ, рдЙрдирдХреЛ рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рди рд▓рд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдПред рдЕрдм рднреА рд╣рдо рдЖрд╢рд╛рдиреНрд┐рд╡рдд рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдПрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рд╣реЛ, рдЖрдЯреЛрдиреЙрдореА рд╣реЛред рдЖрдЬ рднреА рд╣рдо рдЖрд╢рдиреНрд┐рд╡рдд рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рд╕рдВрд╕рдж рдФрд░ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдмреАрдЪ рддрд╛рд░рддрдореНрдп рд╣реЛ рдХрд┐ реирезрд╡реАрдВ рд╕рджреА рдХреЗ рднрд╛рд░рдд рдХрд╛ рджрд┐рдЧреНрджрд░реНрд╢рди рд╣реЛ рд╕рдХреЗред рд╣рдо рд╢рд┐рдХреНрд╖рд╛, рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдФрд░ рдордиреЛрд░рдВрдЬрди, рдЬреЛ рдкреНрд░рд╛рд░рдореНрдн рд╕реЗ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдЗрд▓реЗрдХрдЯреНрд░реЙрдирд┐рдХ рдФрд░ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреА рдореБрдЦреНрдп рдзрд╛рд░рд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрд╕рд╕реЗ рджреВрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХрддреЗред рдЗрд╕ рдЖрд╢рд╛ рдФрд░ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдЬрд┐рд╕ рд╕рдкрдиреЗ рдХреЛ рдбрд╛. рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рдиреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕реНрддреБрдд рдХрд┐рдпрд╛, рдЙрд╕рдХреЛ рдмреНрд░рд╢ рдЕрдк рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреА рдЬрд░реВрд░рдд рддреЛ рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рд╣реИ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрд╕реЗ рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдП, рдпрд╣ рд╣рдо рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╕реЗ рдЕрдкреЗрдХреНрд╖рд╛ рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред”>
“> рдбреЙ. рд╕реБрд╢реАрд▓ рдХреБрдорд╛рд░ рдЗрдиреНрджреМрд░рд╛ (рд╕рд┐рд░рд╕рд╛) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпрдХрд░рдг рдХреЗ рд╕рдВрдмрдВрдз рдореЗрдВ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣реА рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдореБрдЭреЗ рдмреЛрд▓рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╕рдордп рджрд┐рдпрд╛, рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рдзрдиреНрдпрд╡рд╛рдж рджреЗрддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдЖрдЬрд╛рджреА рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рдЗрд╕ рд╕рджрди рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдПрдХрдЯ рдмрдирд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдЖрдИ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди резреж-резрел рд╕рд╛рд▓ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдПрдХ рдРрд╕рд╛ рдПрдХрдЯ рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдП, рдЬрд┐рд╕рдореЗрдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЖрдЬрд╛рджреА рджреА рдЬрд╛рдП, рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рджреА рдЬрд╛рдПред рдЖрдЬрд╛рджреА рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рдЙрд╕рдХрд╛ рдЙрджреНрджреЗрд╢реНрдп рдпрд╣реА рд░рд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рдЪрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ, рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗ рд╡рд╣ рд╡рд╣ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рд╣реЛ рдпрд╛ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА, рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рддрдХ, рдЖрдо рдЧрд╛рдВрд╡ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рддрдХ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреА рд░рд╛рдЬрдиреАрддрд┐рдХ, рдЖрд░реНрд┐рдердХ рдФрд░ рд╕рд╛рдорд╛рдЬрд┐рдХ рд╡рд┐рд╖рдпреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рдЬреЛ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕рдХреЛ рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдЬрдирддрд╛ рддрдХ рдкрд╣реБрдВрдЪрд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдПред рдпрд╣ рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреБрдЫ рддрдереНрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЫрд┐рдкрд╛ рд▓реЗрддреА рд╣реИ рдпрд╛ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рдЬреЛ рд╕рд╣реА рд╣рд╛рд▓рд╛рдд рд╣реИрдВ рдпрд╛ рдЬреЛ рд╕рд╣реА рд╣рдХреАрдХрдд рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕рдХреЛ рдЬрдирддрд╛ рддрдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдкрд╣реБрдВрдЪрд╛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рдЙрд╕ рд╡рдХрдд рдпрд╣ рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдПрдХ рдПрдХрдЯ рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдП, рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХреЛ рдЖрдЬрд╛рджреА рджреА рдЬрд╛рдП, рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рджреА рдЬрд╛рдП рдФрд░ рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдХрд╛ рдЬреЛ рдЕрдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдЕрдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рддрдХ рдкрд╣реБрдВрдЪреЗред рдЗрд╕реА рдЙрджреНрджреЗрд╢реНрдп рдХреЛ рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рдореЗрдВ рд░рдЦрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП, резрепрепреж рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдПрдХрдЯ рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЗрд╕ рджрд┐рд╢рд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреА рдЬреЛ-рдЬреЛ рдЬрд┐рдореНрдореЗрджрд╛рд░рд┐рдпрд╛рдВ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдХреЛ рдирд┐рднрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╡рд╣ рдХрдЯрд┐рдмрджреНрдз рд╣реИред”>
“> рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореИрдВ рд╕рджрди рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рдордиреЗ рдЖрдЬ рдХреА рдкрд░рд╕реНрд┐рдерддрд┐ рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдХреА рдЬреЛ рдорд╣рддреНрддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдореИрдВ рдмрддрд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдЖрдЬ рдЖрдк рдЫреЛрдЯреЗ-рд╕реЗ-рдЫреЛрдЯреЗ рд╕реЗ рдЧрд╛рдВрд╡ рдореЗрдВ рдЪрд▓рд╛ рдЬрд╛рдЗрдП, рд╣рд░ рдЧрд╛рдВрд╡ рдореЗрдВ “>
“>TV “> рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕ рд╡рдЬрд╣ рд╕реЗ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдХреА рдорд╣рддреНрддрд╛ рдЦрддреНрдо рд╣реБрдИ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЬ “>
“>TV “> рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдЪрд▓рди рдХрд╛рдлреА рдмреЭ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЖрдЬ рдЧрд░реАрдм рд╕реЗ рдЧрд░реАрдм рдЖрджрдореА рдХреЗ рдкрд╛рд╕ “>
“>TV “> рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рд╡рд╣ рд╣рд░ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреШрдо рджреЗрдЦрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рджреЗрд╢ рдореЗрдВ рддрдХрд░реАрдмрди рекреж рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЗрди рд╕рд╛рд░реЗ рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рдХреЛ рджреЗрдЦрдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд╣ рдкреНрд░рдпрд╛рд╕ рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЙрд╕реЗ рдХрд╣реАрдВ рд╕реЗ рд░рд╛рдЬрдиреАрддрд┐рдХ рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдкрддрд╛ рдЪрд▓реЗ рдХрд┐ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреА рдЕрд░реНрде рд╡реНрдпрд╡рд╕реНрдерд╛ рдХрд╣рд╛рдВ рд╣реИред рд╕рд╛рде рд╣реА рд╕рд╛рдорд╛рдЬрд┐рдХ рдПрдХрддрд╛ рдХрд╣рд╛рдВ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдпрд╣ рднреА рджреЗрдЦрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рджреЗрд╢ рдХрд╛ рдирд╛рдЧрд░рд┐рдХ рдпрд╣ рднреА рджреЗрдЦрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╡рд╣ рдХреИрд╕реА рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдЖрдк рдореЗрдВ рд░рд╛рд╖реНрдЯреНрд░рднрдХрд┐рдд рдФрд░ рджреЗрд╢рднрдХрд┐рдд рдХреА рднрд╛рд╡рдирд╛ рдкреИрджрд╛ рдХрд░реЗ рддрдерд╛ рд╕реАрдЦрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЬрдм рдореИрдВ рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЫреЛрдЯрд╛ рдерд╛, рддреЛ рдореБрдЭреЗ рдпрд╛рдж рд╣реИ, рдЧрд╛рдВрд╡ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдмрдЧрд▓ рдореЗрдВ рджрдмрд╛ рдХрд░, рдЦреЗрддреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рд╣рд░ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреШрдо рд╕реБрдирддреЗ рдереЗред рдЬрдм рдЪреБрдирд╛рд╡ рд╣реБрдЖ рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ, рддреЛ рдкрд╛рдВрдЪ рдорд┐рдирдЯ рдореЗрдВ рдмрд╛рд░-рдмрд╛рд░ рд╕рдорд╛рдЪрд╛рд░ рд╕реБрдирддреЗ рдереЗред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрд╣рд┐рд╕реНрддрд╛-рдЖрд╣рд┐рд╕реНрддрд╛ рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЧрд┐рд░рд╛рд╡рдЯ рдЖрдИ рд╣реИред рдЖрдЬ “>
“>TV “> рдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рдбрд┐рд╕рдХреЛ рддреЛ рд╕реБрди рд▓реЗрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╕рдорд╛рдЪрд╛рд░ рд╕реБрдирдиреЗ рдХреА рдЗрдЪреНрдЫрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рдЦрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЗрд╕реА рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреШрдореЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рднреА рдЧрд┐рд░рд╛рд╡рдЯ рдЖрдИ рд╣реИред рд╣рдордиреЗ рдЧреНрд▓реИрдорд░ рдХрд╛ рдирд╛рдо рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЧреНрд▓реИрдорд░ рдХреЗ рдирд╛рдо рд╕реЗ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпреШрдо рдкреЗрд╢ рдХрд┐рдПред”>
“> рдЬрд┐рди рдкреНрд░реЛрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдореЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд╕рдкрд░рд┐рд╡рд╛рд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рджреЗрдЦ рд╕рдХрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рддрдерд╛ рдмрд╛рд╣рд░ рдХреЗ рдЪреИрдирд▓ рднреА рдЖрдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдЬрд┐рди рдкрд░ рд╣рдо рдХреЛрдИ рд▓рдЧрд╛рдо рдирд╣реАрдВ рд▓рдЧрд╛ рд╕рдХреЗред”>
“> рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЖрдЬ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдФрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреА рдЧреБрдгрд╡рддреНрддрд╛ рдмреЭрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЬрд░реВрд░рдд рд╣реИ рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдЖрдЬ рдкреНрд░рдЪрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рд╕рдмрд╕реЗ рдмреЬрд╛ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдФрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рд╣реА рд╣реИрдВред рдЖрдЬ рд╣рд╛рд▓ рдпрд╣ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд┐рдВрдЯ-рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдкрд░ рднреА рдЙрддрдирд╛ рднрд░реЛрд╕рд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХрддрд╛ рдЬрд┐рддрдирд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдФрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдкрд░ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдореБрдЭреЗ рдпрд╛рдж рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЧрд╛рдВрд╡ рдореЗрдВ рдЕрдЧрд░ рдХрд┐рд╕реА рд╕рдорд╛рдЪрд╛рд░ рдХреА рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЬрд╛рдирдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреЗ рдереЗ рддреЛ рд╕рдмрд╕реЗ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдмреАрдмреАрд╕реА рд▓рдЧрд╛рддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдмреАрдмреАрд╕реА рдХреА рдЦрдмрд░ рд╕рдЪреНрдЪреА рдЦрдмрд░ рд╣реЛрддреА рд╣реИред рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЙрд╕ рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдерд╛, рдЙрд╕рдХреА рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдерд╛ред рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдПрдХрдЯ рдПрдХ рд╕рд╛рд╣рд╕рд┐рдХ рдХрджрдо рд╣реИ рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХреЗ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрд╛ рджреА рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде-рд╕рд╛рде рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рдЖрд░реНрд┐рдердХ рдкрд╣рд▓реВ рдФрд░ рдЧреБрдгрд╡рддреНрддрд╛ рдкрд░ рднреА рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рджреЗрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЗрд╕ рдкрд░ резрем рд╕реМ рдХрд░реЛреЬ рд░реБрдкрдпрд╛ рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рдЦрд░реНрдЪ рдХрд░рддреА рд╣реИ рдЬрдмрдХрд┐ рд░реЗрд╡реЗрдиреНрдпреВ рдХреЗ рддреМрд░ рдкрд░ рдЗрд╕рдХреА рд░рд┐рдХрд╡рд░реА рейрепрел рдХрд░реЛреЬ рд░реБрдкрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рд╕реЗ рдкрддрд╛ рдЪрд▓рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рдХрд┐рддрдирд╛ рдмреЬреА рд╣рд╛рдирд┐ рд╣реЛрддреА рд╣реИред рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдХрд╛ рдЬреМ рдкреИрд╕рд╛ рдЯреИрдХрд╕ рдХреЗ рд░реВрдк рдореЗрдВ рдЖрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рд╡рд╣ рдЗрд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдмрд░реНрдмрд╛рдж рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ, рдпрд╣ рдХреЛрдИ рдЕрдЪреНрдЫреА рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рд╕рдореБрдЪрд┐рдд рдЙрдкрдпреЛрдЧ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред”>
резрен.рекрен рдмрдЬреЗ (рд╢реНрд░реА рдкреА.рдПрдЪ. рдкрд╛рдВрдбрд┐рдпрди рдкреАрдард╛рд╕реАрди рд╣реБрдП)
рдореИрдВ рддреЛ рдпрд╣реА рдХрд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣ рдПрдХ рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЕрдЪреНрдЫрд╛ рдХрджрдо рд╣реИ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдореЗрд░реЗ рдХреБрдЫ рд╕реБрдЭрд╛рд╡ рднреА рд╣реИрдВ, рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рдордиреЗ рд░рдЦрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдЖрдЬ рдЗрди рджреЛрдиреЛрдВ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдореЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдЧреБрдгрд╡рддреНрддрд╛ рдХреА рдХрдореА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рд░рд╛рд╖реНрдЯреНрд░ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреА рднрд╛рд╡рдирд╛ рдХреЛ рд╣рдо рдЬрдирддрд╛ рддрдХ рдареАрдХ рдврдВрдЧ рд╕реЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдкрд╣реБрдВрдЪрд╛ рдкрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЗрд╕рдХреА рдЬреЛ реШреИрдбрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рд╣реЛрдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП рд╡рд╣ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рдХреА рдорд╣рддреНрддрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЧреБрдгрд╡рддреНрддрд╛ рдХреЛ рдмреЭрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЛ рдПрдХ рдмреНрд░реЙрдбрдХрд╛рд╕реНрд┐рдЯрдВрдЧ рд░реИрдЧреВрд▓реЗрдЯрд░реА рдЕрдереЙрд░рд┐рдЯреА рднреА рдмрдирд╛рдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП рдЬреЛ рдЗрд╕рдХреЛ рдХрдВрдЯреНрд░реЛрд▓ рдХрд░ рд╕рдХреЗред рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рднреА рдирд┐рдпрдВрддреНрд░рдг рд░рдЦреЗ рддрд╛рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╕реНрд╡рдЫрдВрджрддрд╛ рди рдЖрдиреЗ рдкрд╛рдпреЗ, рд╕рд╛рдорд╛рдЬрд┐рдХ рд╕рд░реЛрдХрд╛рд░ рднреА рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗред рдмреНрд░реЙрдбрдХрд╛рд╕реНрд┐рдЯрдВрдЧ рдЕрдереЙрд░рд┐рдЯреА рдХреЗ рд░реВрдк рдореЗрдВ рд╡рд╣ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░реЗред рдХрднреА рд╣рдо рд▓реЬ рдкреЬрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЙрдореНрд░ рдмреЭрд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рдпрд╛ рдЬреИрд╕реЗ рдкреАрдЫреЗ рдХреЛрдИ рд╕рдордп-рд╕реАрдорд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рдЦреА рдЧрдпреА рд╣реИ рдпрд╛ рдЬреИрд╕реЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд░реВрд░рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдХреЛрдИ рдЖрджрдореА рдмрд╛рд╣рд░ рд╕реЗ рдЖрдпреЗред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдПрдХ рд░реИрдЧреВрд▓реЗрдЯрд░реА рдЕрдереЙрд░рд┐рдЯреА рд╣реЛрдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЕрдм рдЕрдЧрд░ рд╣рдо рд╕рд╛рдЗрдВрд╕ рдФрд░ рдЯреИрдХрдиреЛрд▓реЙрдЬреА рдХреА рдЬрд╛рдирдХрд╛рд░реА рд▓реЗрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗрдВ рддреЛ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдХреЛ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рд╕реЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдорд┐рд▓рддреА рд╣реИ рддреЛ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдмрд╛рд╣рд░ рдХреЗ рдЪреИрдирд▓ рдЦреЛрд▓рдХрд░ рджреЗрдЦрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЗрд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рдХреЗ рдкреНрд░реЛрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдо рднреА рдЖрдиреЗ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП, рдЬреНрдпреМрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдлрд┐рдХрд▓ рдкреНрд░реЛрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдо рдЖрдиреЗ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдХрдореНрдпреБрдирд┐рдЯреА рд░рд┐рд▓реЗрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдкреНрд░реЛрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдо рдЬреЛ рдмреЗрд╢рд░реНрдореА рд╕реЗ рдЧреНрд▓реИрдорд░ рдХреЗ рдирд╛рдо рдкрд░ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдпреЗ рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдЙрдирдореЗрдВ рд╕реБрдзрд╛рд░ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП рддрд╛рдХрд┐ рдЖрдо рдЬрдирддрд╛ рддрдХ рдПрдХ рдореИрд╕реЗрдЬ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рдФрд░ рд╡рд╣ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдЗрд▓реИрдХрдЯреНрд░реЛрдирд┐рдХ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдХрд░ рд╕рдХреЗред рдЙрд╕рд╕реЗ рд╣рдо рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛рди рд╕рдХрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рд╕реАрдЦ рд▓реЗ рд╕рдХрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреА рдПрдХрддрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЕрдЦрдВрдбрддрд╛ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдордЬрдмреВрддреА рд╕реЗ рдЖрдЧреЗ рдмреЭрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдЕрдкрдиреА рдмрд╛рдд рдмрддрд╛ рд╕рдХрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЗрд╕ рдУрд░ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЗрдиреНрд╣реАрдВ рд╢рдмреНрджреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдореИрдВ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдзрдиреНрдпрд╛рд╡рд╛рджред
“> рдбреЙ. рд░рдШреБрд╡рдВрд╢ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рдж рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ (рд╡реИрд╢рд╛рд▓реА) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рд╣рд╛рд▓ рд╣реА рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдЙрдЯ рд╕реНрдЯреИрдВрдбрд┐рдВрдЧ рдкрд╛рд░реНрд┐рд▓рдпрд╛рдореИрдВрдЯреЗрд░рд┐рдпрди рдПрд╡рд╛рд░реНрдб рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рд░реЗреЬрдбреА рдЬреА рдХреЛ рдорд┐рд▓рд╛ред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реАрдВ рдХреЗ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╣рд╕ рдХреА рд╢реБрд░реБрдЖрдд рд╣реБрдИред рд▓реЛрдХрддрдВрддреНрд░ рдореЗрдВ рдЪреМрдерд╛ рдЦрдореНрднрд╛ рдкрддреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░рд┐рддрд╛ рдФрд░ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЛ рдорд╛рдирд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдпрд╣ рдЬрдм рддрдХ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░ рдФрд░ рдирд┐рд╖реНрдкрдХреНрд╖ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рд╣реЗрдЧрд╛ рддрдм рддрдХ рд▓реЛрдХрддрдВрддреНрд░ рдордЬрдмреВрдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред рд╕рд╛рд░реЗ рдХрд╛рдо рдЗрд╕реА рд╕реЗ рдЪрд▓рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдЕрдзреАрди рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдФрд░ рдЯреЗрд▓рд╡рд┐рдЬрди рдХреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░ рдФрд░ рдирд┐рд╖реНрдкрдХреНрд╖ рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдПред рдЧрд╛рдВрд╡реЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рднреА рдпрд╣ рдзрд╛рд░рдгрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдХреЗ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдФрд░ рдЯреЗрд▓рд╡рд┐рдЬрди рд╕рд╣реА рдЦрдмрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рджреЗрддреЗ рдЬрдмрдХрд┐ рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рд╕рд╣реА рдЦрдмрд░ рджреЗрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдкрд╛рддрдХрд╛рд▓ рдХрд╛ рд╕рдордп рдпрд╛рдж рд╣реИред рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдореЗрдВ рдЕрд╕рд▓реА рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЖрддреА рдереАред рдЧрд╛рдВрд╡ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдХрд╣рддреЗ рдереЗ рдХрд┐ рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рд▓рдЧрд╛ рдХрд░ рдЦрдмрд░ рд╕реБрдиреА рдЬрд╛рдПред рдЙрд╕ рдкрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдерд╛ред рдЙрд╕реА рд╕реЗ рд╕реЛрдЪ рдЪрд▓реА рдФрд░ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рд╡рд┐рдзреЗрдпрдХ рд▓рд╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ред”>
“> рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдиреЗ рд╢реБрд░реБ рд╕реЗ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдЕрдм рддрдХ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдмрддрд╛рдИред рдХрд╣рд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЧрд┐рд▓ рд▓рд╛рд╣рдм рд╕рдЦреНрдд рдЖрджрдореА рдереЗ, рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдХреА рдкреИрд░рд╡реА рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдорд╛рдирддреЗ рдереЗред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рд╣рдЯрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдмрджрд▓ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдРрд╕реА рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рднреА рд╣реБрдИред”>
“> рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдФрд░ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░рдг рдордВрддреНрд░рд╛рд▓рдп рдХреЗ рд░рд╛рдЬреНрдп рдордВрддреНрд░реА (рд╢реНрд░реА рдЕрд░реБрдг рдЬреЗрдЯрд▓реА) : рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рд▓рд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдмрджрд▓рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ред”>
“> рдбреЙ. рд░рдШреБрд╡рдВрд╢ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рдж рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ : рд╡рд╣ рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рд╕реВрдЯ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░ рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛, рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдРрд╕рд╛ рд╣реБрдЖред рдЗрд╕ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдЪрд▓рддреЗ рдЗрд╕ рд╡рд┐рднрд╛рдЧ рдореЗрдВ рдЕрд░реБрдг рдЬреЗрдЯрд▓реА рдЬреА рддреАрд╕рд░реЗ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рд╣реИрдВред рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рд╕реБрд╖рдорд╛ рдЬреА рдЧреЬрдмреЬ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░рдг рдЧрдИред рдлрд┐рд░ рдкреНрд░рдореЛрдж рдорд╣рд╛рдЬрди рдЬреА рдХрд╛ рд╡рд┐рднрд╛рдЧ рдмрджрд▓рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ред рдЕрдм рдЖрдк рднреА рдХреБрдЫ рдРрд╕рд╛ рд╣реА рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рд░реЛрдЬ рдЯреЗрд▓рд╡рд┐рдЬрди рдореЗрдВ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдИ рджреЗрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЬрдм рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рд╡рд┐рдкрдХреНрд╖ рдореЗрдВ рдереЗ рддреЛ рдХрд╣рддреЗ рдереЗ рдХрд┐ рдЗрдиреНрд┐рджрд░рд╛ рдЬреА рдХреЛ рд░реЛрдЬ рдЯреЗрд▓рд╡рд┐рдЬрди рдореЗрдВ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рджреЗрд╡реА рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХрд░рд╛рдП рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рд╢рд╛рдпрдж рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рдпрд╣ рдмрд╛рдд рдпрд╛рдж рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред
“>… (рд╡реНрдпрд╡рдзрд╛рди)”>
“> рдЖрдк рдмреНрд░рд╛рд╣рдордг рдмреБрджреНрдзрд┐ рдХрд╛ рдЕрднреНрдпрд╛рд╕ рдХрд░рд┐рдПред рдЖрдк рдЙрд╕реЗ рднреВрд▓ рдЧрдП рд╣реИрдВред
“>… (рд╡реНрдпрд╡рдзрд╛рди)”>рд╡реИрд╢рд╛рд▓реА рдЬрдирддрдВрддреНрд░ рдХрд╛ рдЬрдиреНрдорджрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЬрдм рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдХрд╣реАрдВ рд▓реЛрдХрддрдВрддреНрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдерд╛, рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рд▓реЛрдХрддрдВрддреНрд░ рдерд╛ред рддреАрди рд╣рдЬрд╛рд░ рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рд▓рд┐рдЪреНрдЫрд╡реА рдЧрдгрддрдВрддреНрд░ рдерд╛ред рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рдЧреМрд░рд╡ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдкреНрдд рд╣реИред рд╣рдордиреЗ рдЗрдмреНрд░рд╛рд╣рд┐рдо рд▓рд┐рдВрдХрди рд╕реЗ рд▓реЛрдХрддрдВрддреНрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╕реАрдЦрд╛ред резреорепрео рдореЗрдВ рдХреЗрд░рд▓ рдореЗрдВ рджреЛ рд╕рджрдиреАрдп рд╡реНрдпрд╡рд╕реНрдерд╛ рд╣реБрдИред рдЬрдм рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░ рдФрд░ рдЙреЬреАрд╕рд╛ рдПрдХ рдереЗ, рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ резрепрезреи рдореЗрдВ рдХрд╛рдЙрдВрд╕рд┐рд▓ рдХрд╛ рдЧрдарди рд╣реБрдЖ рдерд╛ред”>
“> рдЗрдирдХреЛ рдЧрд▓рдд рд╕рд┐рдЦрд╛рдХрд░ рдЙрдзрд░ рд╕реЗ рдЦреЬрд╛ рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рддреАрди рдЖрджрдорд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рдЕрдВрдЯрд╢рдВрдЯ рд▓рд┐рдЦрд╛ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдЬрдм рд╢реНрд░реА рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рдЬреА рдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЧреЛрдЗрдмрд▓ рдХрд╛ рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдпрджрд┐ рдХрд╣реАрдВ рдХреЛрдИ рдмрд╛рдд рджрд╕ рдмрд╛рд░ рдЕрд╕рддреНрдп рдХрд╣реА рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рддреЛ рд╡рд╣ рд╕рдЪ рд╣реЛ рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИред рдЕрдм рдЧреЛрдЗрдмрд▓ рдФрд░ рдореИрдХрд╛рд╡рд▓реА рдХреЛ рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЕрд╕рддреНрдп рдХрд╣рдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рдмреЛрд▓рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдпреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рднреА рдлрд╛рд╕рд┐рд╕реНрдЯ рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рдЗрди рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдкрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред”>
“> рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЧрд┐рд▓ рдХреЛ рд╣рдЯрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ред рдЧрд┐рд▓ рдХреЛ рд╣рдЯрд╛ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрд╕рдХреА рдЬрдЧрд╣ рдХреЛрдИ рдЕрдЪреНрдЫрд╛ рдЖрджрдореА рдмрд╣рд╛рд▓ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛, рдЕрднреА рддрдХ рдХрдпреЛрдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛, рдЖрдкрдХреЗ рдкрд╛рд╕ рдХреЛрдИ рдЬрд╡рд╛рдм рд╣реЛ рддреЛ рджреАрдЬрд┐рдпреЗред рд╢реНрд░реА рдорд╣рд╛рдЬрди рдиреЗ рдкрд┐рдЫрд▓реА рд▓реЛрдХрд╕рднрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд╡рд╛рдм рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдерд╛ рдФрд░ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╣рдо рдХреБрдЫ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░рддреЗред рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдпрд╣ рдЬрд╛рдирдХрд╛рд░реА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдХреЛрдИ рдорд┐. рддрд┐рд╡рд╛рд░реА рдпрд╛ рдорд┐. рддреНрд░рд┐рд╡реЗрдгреА, рдЬреЛ рднреА рд╣реЛ, рд╡реЗ рдЬрд╛рдХрд░ рдмреИрдарддреЗ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдиреНрдпреВреЫ рдирд┐рдХрд╛рд▓рддреЗ рдереЗ рдЬрд┐рд╕реЗ рд╡реЗ рдкреЭ рд▓реЗрддреЗ рдФрд░ рддрдм рдХрд╣рддреЗ рдереЗ рдХрд┐ рдареАрдХ рд╣реИред рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рд╣реА рдиреНрдпреВреЫ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░рд┐рдд рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рдерд╛ред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ рднрд┐рдЦрд╛рд░реА рдард╛рдХреБрд░ рд╣реБрдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЙрдирдХреА рдПрдХ рдХрд╡рд┐рддрд╛ рдереА:”>
“> рд╣реБрдХреВрдордд рдХреЗ рд╣рд╛рдереА рдХреЗ рджрд╛рдВрдд рд╣реИрдВ рджреЛ,”>
“> рдЦрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рджреЛ рдЕрд╕рд░, рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдпреЗ рджреЛ рдЕрд╕рд░рее”>
“> рдЬреИрд╕рд╛ рд╢реНрд░реА рд░реВрдкрдЪрдВрдж рдкрд╛рд▓ рдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рднреА рдбрдмрд▓ рдлреЗрд╕ рдХрд╛ рд╣реИред рдХрд╣рдиреЗ рдХреЛ рддреЛ рдЖрдЯреЛрдирдореА рджреЗ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдпреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдорди рдореБрддрд╛рдмрд┐рдХ рдиреНрдпреВрдЬ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░рдг рдХрд╛ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░рд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рдЗрди рдкрд░ рдпрд╣ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЗрдирдХрд╛ рджреЛрд╣рд░рд╛ рдорд╛рдкрджрдВрдб рд╣реИ рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдХрд╣рдиреЗ рдХреЛ рдХреБрдЫ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЛ рдХреБрдЫ рд╣реИред рдХрд╣рдиреЗ рдХреЛ рддреЛ рдЖрдЯреЛрдирдореА рд╣реИ рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХрд╛ рдорддрд▓рдм рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░ рдФрд░ рдирд┐рд╖реНрдкрдХреНрд╖ рд░рд╣реЗ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдкрд╛рд░реНрд┐рд▓рдпрд╛рдореЗрдВрдЯ рдореЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╣рдо рдХреБрдЫ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░ рд╕рдХрддреЗред рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдХрд╛ рдХреЛрдИ рдЕрдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдРрд╕реЗ рд╣реА рдЗрдирдХрд╛ рдХрд╛рдо рд╕реАрд░рд┐рдпрд▓реНрд╕ рдореЗрдВ рд░рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХрд░реЛреЬреЛ рд░реБрдкрдпреЗ рдХрд╛ рдШреЛрдЯрд╛рд▓рд╛ рд╣реБрдЖ рд╣реИред рдЬреЛ рдордВрдЬреВрд░ рд╣реЛрдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ, рд╡реЗ рдордВрдЬреВрд░ рдХрд░ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдЧрдпреЗ рдФрд░ рдЬреЛ рдордВрдЬреВрд░ рд╣реЛрдиреЗ рдХреЛ рдереЗ, рдЙрдирдХреЛ рд░рд┐рдЬреИрдХрдЯ рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ред рдЕрдЧрд░ рдЗрд╕ рд╕рдм рдХреА рдЬрд╛рдВрдЪ рд╣реЛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рддреЛ рд╕рдм рдХреЗ рд╕рдм рдзрд░реЗ рд░рд╣ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдЧреЗ рдФрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рдмрдЪреЗрдЧрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЛ рдЖрдЯреЛрдирдореА рджреЗрдиреЗ рдХреЗ рдирд╛рдо рдкрд░ рдПрдХ рд╕реЗ рдПрдХ рдЬрд╡рд╛рдм рджреЗрдВрдЧреЗред рдлрд┐рд░ рдХрдпреЛрдВ рдПрдХ рдПрдбреАрд╢рдирд▓ рд╕реИреШреЗрдЯреНрд░реА рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рд░рдЦреЗ рд╣реБрдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдлрд┐рд░ рдЖрдЯреЛрдирдореА рдХрд╣рд╛рдВ рд░рд╣реЗрдЧреА? рдЗрд╕реАрд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреА рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╕рдиреАрдпрддрд╛ рдЦрддрд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рд╣реИред рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рднреА рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╕рдВрджреЗрд╣ рд╣реИред рдЬрдм рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдмрдирд╛ рдерд╛ рддреЛ рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рдХреА рддрд░рд╣ рд░рд┐рдкреНрдпреВрдЯреЗрдб рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░ рдФрд░ рдирд┐рд╖реНрдкрдХреНрд╖ рд░рдЦреЗ рдЬрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХреА рдЧрдИ рдереА рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕рд╕реЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛ рдХреЛ рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдХреА рдЬрд╛рдирдХрд╛рд░реА рдорд┐рд▓реЗрдЧреА рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдЬ рдХреЗ рд╕рдордп рдореЗрдВ рдЗрд╕ рдкрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рднрд░реЛрд╕рд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рд╣рдо рдпрд╣ рджреЗрдЦ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдмрджрд▓реАрдХрд░рдг рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╣реЗрд░рд╛-рдлреЗрд░реА рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдЬрдм рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рд░рд╛рдЬ рдмрдирд╛ рдерд╛, рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рдпрд╣ рд╕рдкрдирд╛ рдерд╛ рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХрд╛ рдЙрджреНрджреЗрд╢реНрдп рдЖрдЯреЛрдирдореА рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдерд╛ рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХреА рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╕рдиреАрдпрддрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗрдЧреА, рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рд╣рд╕реНрддрдХреНрд╖реЗрдк рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдЬ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╣рд╕реНрддрдХреНрд╖реЗрдк рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред”>
“> рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдпрджрд┐ рдЖрдЬ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛрдВ рджреЛрдиреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рдиреНрдпреВрдЬ рджреЗрдЦрд╛ рдпрд╛ рд╕реБрдирд╛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рддреЛ рдорд╛рд▓реВрдо рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдкреНрд░рдЪрд╛рд░ рдХрд░рд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдпрд╣ рдареАрдХ рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реИ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рдирдордВрддреНрд░реА рдХреА рдорд░реНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рдпреЗ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдирдореНрдмрд░ рд▓рдЧрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рд╡реЛрдЯреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд╕рдордп рддреЛ рдЯреА.рд╡реА. рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдиреЗ рднрд╛рдЯ рдХреА рддрд░рд╣ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ рднрд╛рдЯ рдЙрди рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд░рдЦрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рдерд╛ рдЬреЛ рд░рд╛рдЬрд╛ рдХреА рдЬрдп рдЬрдп рдХрд░рддреЗ рдереЗред рдЙрд╕реА рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдЗрди рд▓реЛрдЧреЛ рдиреЗ рдПрдХрддрд░рдлрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдЪрд╛рд░ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рднрд╛рдЬрдкрд╛ рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдиреЗ рд╖рдбрдпрдВрддреНрд░ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЗрд╕реАрд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдЗрди рдкрд░ рд╕реЗ рдЙрда рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рднреА рдЙрда рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЬрдм рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдЙрда рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдЧрд╛ рдФрд░ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЬрдм рдХрд╣реЗрдЧреА рдХрд┐ рд╕реНрдЯрд╛рд░ рдЯреА.рд╡реА. рджреЗрдЦрд┐рдпреЗ рдФрд░ рдХрднреА рдХрд╣реЗрдЧреА рдХрд┐ реЫреА рдиреНрдпреВрдЬ рджреЗрдЦрд┐рдпреЗ рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдЗрди рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рдЙрдирд╕реЗ рд▓рд╛рдХрдмрд╛рдЬреА рд╣реИред рд╡реЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдмрд╣реБрдд рдареАрдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдХрднреА рдХрднреА рддреЛ рд╡рд╛рдЬрд┐рдм рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдИ рджреЗ рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдпрд╣ рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЦрддрд░рдирд╛рдХ рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕ рдХрд╛рд░рдг рд╕реЗ рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧ рдХрд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рд╕рджрди рдХрд╛ рдЙрд╕ рдкрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рдХрдВрдЯреНрд░реЛрд▓ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рд╣реЗ, рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рднреА рдирд╣реАрдВред рдпрджрд┐ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЕрдкрдиреА рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдХрд░реЗрдЧреА рддреЛ рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдмреЬрд╛ рднрд╛рд░реА рдЕрд╕рдВрддреЛрд╖ рд░рд╣реЗрдЧрд╛, рдЖрдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЕрд╕рдВрддреЛрд╖ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗрдВрдЧреЗ рдХрд┐ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рдХрд╛ рд░реЗрдкреБрдЯреЗрд╢рди рд╣реИ, рд╡реИрд╕рд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХрд╛ рд╣реЛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдЗрди рдкрд░ рднрд░реЛрд╕рд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдЗрди рд╕реЗ рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЕрдкреЗрдХреНрд╖рд╛ рднреА рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред”>
“>18.00 hrs.
“> рдХреИрд╕реЗ рдХрд░реЗрдВрдЧреЗред рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдмрджрд▓рдХрд░ рдЗрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЕрднреА рддрдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдпрд╣ рдЬрд╡рд╛рдм рджреЗрдВ рджреЗрдВ, рджреЛ рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рдмреАрдд рдЧрдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдмрджрд▓ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЕрдлрд╕рд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХрд╛рд░реЛрдмрд╛рд░ рдердо рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рд╣рдо рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдХрд╣реЗрдВрдЧреЗ рдХрд┐ рд╢реНрд░реА рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдиреЗ рдЬреЛ рд╕рд╡рд╛рд▓ рдЙрдард╛рдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдпрд╣ рдЙрд╕рдХрд╛ рдЬрд╡рд╛рдм рджреЗрдВред рд╣реЛрд╢рд┐рдпрд╛рд░ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рд╣реИрдВ, рд╡рдХреАрд▓ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрд▓реНрдЯрд╛-рд╕реАрдзрд╛ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдореЗрдВ рдорд╛рд╣рд┐рд░ рд╣реЛрдВрдЧреЗ, рд╡реИрд╕рд╛ рд╣реА рдХрд░реЗрдВрдЧреЗред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдпрд╣ рдзрд╛рд░рдгрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рд╣рдо рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗрдВрдЧреЗ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреА рдЬреЛ рдзрд╛рд░рдгрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕рдХреА рд╕рдлрд╛рдИ рд╣реЛ, рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░ рдФрд░ рдирд┐рд╖реНрдкрдХреНрд╖ рд░рд╣реЗред рдЬрдм рд▓реЛрдХрддрдВрддреНрд░ рдХрд╛ рдЪреМрдерд╛ рдЦрдореНрднрд╛ рдордЬрдмреВрдд рд░рд╣реЗрдЧрд╛ рддреЛ рд▓реЛрдХрддрдВрддреНрд░ рднреА рдордЬрдмреВрдд рд░рд╣реЗрдЧрд╛, рдРрд╕рд╛ рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рд╣реИред рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдХрд╣рдХрд░ рдореИрдВ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рд╡рдХрддрд╡реНрдп рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Next speaker is Dr. Beatrix D”Souza.
“>SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH (ULUBERIA): The time of the sitting has to be extended, Sir.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : The time allotted for this discussion was two hours. It is already over. With the consent of the House, we extend the time. How much time is required to complete this discussion? The hon. Speaker has said that today we have to complete it.
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рдкреНрд░рднреБрдирд╛рде рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ (рдорд╣рд╛рд░рд╛рдЬрдЧрдВрдЬ, рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЗрд╕реЗ рдХрд▓ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдЬрд╛рд░реА рд░рдЦрд┐рдпреЗред”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Speaker has said that today itself we should complete the discussion on this subject. It was agreed also that this discussion would be completed today. It is for the House to decide how much time it wants. I think one hour is sufficient.
“> рдХреБрдВрд╡рд░ рдЕрдЦрд┐рд▓реЗрд╢ рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ (рдорд╣рд╛рд░рд╛рдЬрдЧрдВрдЬ, рдЙ.рдкреНрд░.) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЖрдЬ рд╣рд╛рдЙрд╕ рдПрдбрдЬрд░реНрди рдХрд░ рджреАрдЬрд┐рдП рдФрд░ рдЗрд╕реЗ рдХрд▓ рдЬрд╛рд░реА рдХрд░ рджреАрдЬрд┐рдПред”>
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рдкреНрд░рднреБрдирд╛рде рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ : рдЖрдЬ рд╕рд╛реЭреЗ рдЫ: рдмрдЬреЗ рд╕рд┐рдВрдЪрд╛рдИ рд╡рд┐рднрд╛рдЧ рдХреА рдорд╣рддреНрд╡рдкреВрд░реНрдг рдореАрдЯрд┐рдВрдЧ рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕реЗ рдХрд▓ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдХрд╛рдВрдЯреАрдиреНрдпреВ рдХрд░ рджреАрдЬрд┐рдПред рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдореАрдЯрд┐рдВрдЧ рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рд╣реИред”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Would the Minister be able to complete his reply by 6.30 p.m.?
“>THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DISINVESTMENT (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): If I get about fifteen to twenty minutes, I will complete my reply.
“>…(Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: There are only two more speakers. These names have been given by the hon. Speaker. If new names are to be included, it will become difficult.
“>(Interruptions)
“>SHRI SONTOSH MOHAN DEV (SILCHAR): Who are the two speakers? From our side, Shri K.P. Singh Deo will have to speak.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Rashid Alvi and Shri K.P. Singh Deo are to speak. But this discussion will have to be completed today itself. In the Business Advisory Committee meeting also a decision was taken that this discussion would be completed today because tomorrow we have to pass three-four Bills.
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рдкреНрд░рднреБрдирд╛рде рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ : рдЬрдм рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░, рдмрдВрдЧрд╛рд▓ рдФрд░ рдЙрддреНрддрд░ рдкреНрд░рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЪрд▓реЗ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдВрдЧреЗ рддреЛ рд╣рд╛рдЙрд╕ рдХрд┐рд╕ рдкрд░ рдЪрд▓рд╛рдпреЗрдВрдЧреЗред рд╣рдо рд╕рднреА рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдореАрдЯрд┐рдЧ рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рд╣реИред рдЖрдЬ рд╕рд╛реЭреЗ рдЫ: рдмрдЬреЗ рдореАрдЯрд┐рдВрдЧ рд░рдЦреА рдЧрдИ рд╣реИред”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Shall we finish it by 6.30 p.m.? I have called upon Dr. Beatrix D”Souzsa to speak. She is on her legs. From each party at least one Member has spoken, I think.
“>SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGLY): I have even mentioned in my speech that there is a second speaker from our Party and therefore I am taking less time.
“> There is another speaker Shri Suresh Kurup. He has to speak from our side. You cannot deny this opportunity to us..(Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : You have already consumed much time. I do not think time is transferrable like that.
“> … (Interruptions)
“>DR. (SHRIMATI) BEATRIX D”SOUZA (NOMINATED): Sir, you have called my name…(Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: I think it is agreed that we extend the time up to 6.30 p.m.
“> Now Dr. (Shrimati) Beatrix D”Souza to speak.
“>DR. (SHRIMATI) BEATRIX D”SOUZA (NOMINATED): Mr. Chairman, Sir, at the outset, I would like to state that Shri Jaipal Reddy has made a powerful plea for autonomy. I believe that autonomy is desirable when there is a possibility of any Government misusing the Governmental machinery. But I would like to make one thing very clear. The Government did not muzzle the media during the Emergency. Also, autonomy leads to credibility.
“> I also agree with Shri Jaipal Reddy when he says that eminent people of various disciplines should be appointed to the Expert Committee and not media persons because of professionalism. We do need technical expertise alone. Media people also have their own political loyalties. But I am not going to talk on that subject.
“> The enormous potential of the Doordarshan and the All India Radio as vehicles of social change has not been sufficiently exploited…(Interruptions) Nearly, every home has a television. Transistors are very cheap. But I am talking particularly about women. Women have been entertained. But they have not been informed about things that benefit them personally. Even educated women are woefully ignorant of their legal rights. I believe that the All India Radio and the Doordarshan could become a channel for the spread of legal literacy among women. For example, a woman does not know that she cannot be arrested after 6 p.m.; that she cannot stay in the police station after that time. Women do not know where to report a rape and where to go for reporting sexual harassment. They also do not know where to go and report about harassment regarding divorce; how to get consumer protection and services available on the hot-line provided by the NGOs. These should also be publicised.
“> I was on the Science and Technology Committee last year. During the scare about adulterated mustard oil, we were shown a very simple device in which the purity of the mustard oil could be tested. But, unfortunately, the general public were not aware of this very simple method and mustard oil was sold. My suggestion to the hon. Minister is to have a one-liner flash news so that people are informed about various important matters. For example, pensioners need to know when pension is being revised. People need to know about when to get ration cards and when to have vaccination etc. Perhaps, the hon. Minister could enlist the services of film-stars and cricketers. I believe that he himself is a cricket fan.
“> Nowadays, on Doordarshan, sale of washing machines and refrigerators is promoted. After selling washing machines and refrigerators, they could also tell us something about issues of social importance. In fact, I would suggest to the hon. Minister that all advertisements accepted by Doordarshan and All-India Radio should compulsorily contain a one-liner giving us information. After all, all the consumer advertisements are aimed at women consumers. Let us get something which is socially relevant after they take our money. There is also a need for children”s programmes. In Britain, they have a very educative programmed called the “Sesame Street” where children are educated while they have been entertained.
“> We should have some indigenous programme on those lines, so that Doordarshan enters into the classroom, especially the rural classroom. Then, we also need programmes for senior citizens. We need programmes to inform senior citizens about health care etc. and we need programmes for people who stay at home.
“> Sir, the hon. Minister became a T.V. personality during the elections and, I am sure, he knows the power of the visual media. I am very sure that he would take all my suggestions into consideration.
“>SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO (DHENKANAL): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to compliment the Minister for presiding over a Ministry which, in my three decades of experience in Parliament, I thought, I had the privilege to be in-charge of and which is one of the best Ministries, that is, the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting. The people working in Doordarshan and Akashvani as well as in the Field Publicity Units, the Song and Drama Division, the Indian Institute of Mass Communication, the Films Division and the Photo Division have been doing excellent work. Doordarshan and Akashvani have been the leaders in many fields where advanced countries like America and Japan were no comparison. The innovative skills of Doordarshan and All India Radio can be borne out by the fact that many of them who have had their grounding in Akashvani and Doordarshan are today occupying very high places in the competitors of Doordarshan, that is, Star T.V., Zee T.V. and many other satellite television channels.
“> Sir, I compliment Shri Jaipal Reddy because he has the courage of conviction and he has been consistent throughout, whether he has been on this side of the House or on that side of the House, belying the words of Sir Winston Churchill who had said:
“> “Consistency in politics is the asset of an ass.”
“> But in spite of that, he has the courage of conviction and the Congress Party, in its Election Manifesto in 1991, had committed itself to the functioning of Doordarshan and All India Radio as autonomous bodies and in competition with other professional channels.
“> Sir, the reach of Akashvani and Doordarshan is unparalleled in the world and it is all due to the fact that the staff, the engineers and the people who have been manning these two organisations have brought them to that level. Today, 90 per cent of our country is covered by Doordarshan and 98 per cent of the country is reached by All India Radio. Today, All India Radio is even thinking of sky radio, satellite radio and they are still the pioneers in many fields. Today, Doordarshan is the pioneer even before America in digital compression video technique where Doordarshan had 17 channels and they had the capacity of 85 channels. At one time, as an experiment, we were beaming five different channels to Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab when militancy was at its peak. This could happen only because there was a lot of autonomy amongst the technical staff. They could compete and they could get the funds required. But if we, 750 Members of Parliament, feel that we are the repository of all wisdom and that we can also be ahead of technology and technological innovations, we will be committing a sad mistake.
Sir, when Shri Jaipal Reddy was there in the Rajya Sabha, he used to be very active and some of my colleagues, who are sitting on the other side now, like Shri Pramod Mahajan and Shrimati Sushma Swaraj used to raise the question of autonomy. At that time, there was an order, a direction from the Chair of Dr. Najma Heptulla that Doordarshan and Akashvani should be freed from the controls of the Government because technology had made irrelevant any law or any control or any regulation.
In 1990, there was a combined wisdom of this Parliament. It was unanimously decided at that time that we must have a Prasar Bharati Board which should be free from Governmental and bureaucratic control. But what it requires is also functional autonomy by the people who are running it.
Today, probably 136 satellite channels are beaming into India. If Doordarshan, Akashvani and Prasar Bharati have to be relevant in Indian conditions and face the competition as a result of liberalisation, then they should have professionals. Along with autonomy and professionalism, it requires accountability and responsibility to Parliament. There are no two opinions about it.
I recall that Dr. Manmohan Singh, as the Finance Minister, threatened that he would not give a single paise to Information and Broadcasting Ministry, and that Doordarshan and Akashvani must generate its own revenue. Therefore, Doordarshan and Akashvani were innovative and they were about to get Rs. 1,000 crore. Their operating expenses at that time was Rs. 624 crore. I am talking about five years back. At that time, their income was Rs. 500 crore. But when this move was made and today when they were about to be self-sufficient, then we found the upheavals of the Prasar Bharati Board running into trouble with the Government and with various other things. So, I would like to pose a question to hon. Minister. I feel that he has an open mind. The Prasar Bharati Board should be strengthened rather than be weakened. It should be strengthened by the professional people. In fact, we have been following a pattern here that some one who is an expert in health, does not become the Health Minister; some one who is an expert in defence, does not become the Defence Minister so that objectivity comes and not subjectivity. In fact, we had one of the finest engineers here who became a Minister of his Department but unfortunately, the Ministry did not function as well because subjectivity went in and objectivity was sacrificied at the alter. Therefore, professionalism and autonomy along with accountability and responsibility to Parliament are important because ours is a Parliamentary democracy.
Sir, without accountability, we will be facing criticisms. Criticisms are nothing new. When people sit on this side, they have a different point of view. When they go to the other side, they have a different point of view. We have been at the receiving end sometimes when we sit there and when we come to this side, we hear different voices from that side. Therefore, there will be a crciticism about the credibility of Doordarshan and Akashvani as compared to BBC. In fact, there are any number of certificates by international agencies, where they have praised Doordarshan and Akashvani in the highest of terms, whether it was sports, whether it was the burning of Charar-e-Sharief, whether it was the Asian Games or whether it was the live telecast of any other event. Therefore, such a fine organisation requires the support of the Parliament. Then only, it can function in today”s technological revolution.
We have missed the Industrial Revolution. Let us not miss out the Information Revolution. For that, we have to give them full autonomy, free from the control of Parliament, both the Government and bureaucracy but they must be accountable. After all, ours is a Parliamentary democracy. We are all accountable to the people. So, this organisation, where the national resource of about Rs. 60,000 crore has been pumped in over the last fifty years, must be accountable to Parliament, must be responsible to Parliament but they must have full functional autonomy without any hindrance or without any interference from any politician or any bureaucrat because we are not experts.
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рд╢рд┐рдж рдЕрд▓реНрд╡реА (рдЕрдорд░реЛрд╣рд╛) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХрд╛ рд╢реБреШрдЧреБрдЬрд╛рд░ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдореБрдЭреЗ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдлрдВрдХрд╢рди рдкрд░ рдмреЛрд▓рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдореМрдХрд╛ рдореБрд╣реИрдпрд╛ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреА рддрд╛рд░реАрдЦ рдЧрд╡рд╛рд╣ рд╣реИред”>
“> рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдЬрд┐рддрдиреЗ рдбрд┐рдХрдЯреЗрдЯрд░ рд╣реБрдП, рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рд╕рдмрд╕реЗ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдпрд╣ рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХреА рдХрд┐ рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд╣рд╛рдереЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рд░рд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП, рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд╣рд╛рдереЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдФрд░ рдЯреЗрд▓реАрд╡рд┐рдЬрди рд░рд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЖрдЬ рднреА рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрджрд░ рдмрд╣реБрдд рд╕реА рдЬрдЧрд╣реЛрдВ рдкрд░ рдХрд┐рд╕реА рди рдХрд┐рд╕реА рд╕реВрд░рдд рдореЗрдВ рдбрд┐рдХрдЯреЗрдЯрд░рд╢рд┐рдк рдореМрдЬреВрдж рд╣реИред рдЬрд┐рди рджреЗрд╢реЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдЗрд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рдХрд╛ рд╕рд┐рд╕реНрдЯрдо рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкрд░ рднреА рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗ рд╡рд╣ рдЯреЗрд▓реАрд╡рд┐рдЬрди рд╣реЛ рдпрд╛ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рд╣реЛ, рд╡рд╣ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдЕрдзреАрди рд╣реИ, рдбрд┐рдХрдЯреЗрдЯрд░ рдХреЗ рдЕрдзреАрди рд╣реИред рдЬреЛ рд╡реЗ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рд╡рд╣реА рдЯреЗрд▓реАрд╡рд┐рдЬрди рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдореЗрдВ рдЖрддрд╛ рд╣реИред”>
“> рдореБрдЭреЗ рдЕрдлрд╕реЛрд╕ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдкреЬрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрджрд░ рдЬреЛ рднреА рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдЗрдзрд░ рдмреИрдарддреА (рд╡рд┐рдкрдХреНрд╖ рдореЗрдВ) рд╣реИ рддреЛ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдСрд▓ рдЗрдВрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдХреА рдСрдЯреЛрдиреЙрдореА рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд░рддреА рд╣реИ, рдЬрдм рд╡рд╣ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдЙрдзрд░ (рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ )рдЪрд▓реА рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИ рддреЛ рдЙрд╕реЗ рдпрд╣ рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЕрдЧрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдСрд▓ рдЗрдВрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░ рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдП рддреЛ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рджреБрд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд░рд┐рдпрд╛рдВ рдЦреЬреА рд╣реЛ рдЬрд╛рдПрдВрдЧреАред рдпрд╣ рдХреЛрдИ рдирдИ рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрджрд░ рдПрдХ рд╣реА рдкрд░рд┐рд╡рд╛рд░ рейрео-рекреж рд╕рд╛рд▓ рддрдХ рд▓рдЧрд╛рддрд╛рд░ рд░рд╛рдЬ рдореЗрдВ рд░рд╣рд╛ред рд╡рд╣ рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рд░рд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╡реЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдЕрдЪреНрдЫреА рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдЬрд╛рдирддреЗ рдереЗ рдХрд┐ рдореАрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЛ рдХрд┐рд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдЗрд╕реНрддреЗрдорд╛рд▓ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП, рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдФрд░ рдЯреА.рд╡реА. рдХреЛ рдХрд┐рд╕ рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдЗрд╕реНрддреЗрдорд╛рд▓ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЗрд╕рд╕реЗ рдмреЬреА рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдХреЛрдИ рдФрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛ рд╕рдХрддреАред”>
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд╢реНрд░реАрдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд╢ рдЬрд╛рдпрд╕рд╡рд╛рд▓ (рдХрд╛рдирдкреБрд░): рдпрд╣ рдЧрд▓рдд рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реИред”>
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рд╢рд┐рдж рдЕрд▓рд╡реА : рдЖрдк рдордирд╛ рдХрд░ рджреАрдЬрд┐рдП рдХрд┐ рейрео рд╕рд╛рд▓ рддрдХ рдПрдХ рдкрд░рд┐рд╡рд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рд░рд╛рдЬ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд░рд╣рд╛ред”>
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд╢реНрд░реАрдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд╢ рдЬрд╛рдпрд╕рд╡рд╛рд▓ : рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрдирдХреА рд╡рдЬрд╣ рд╕реЗ рдРрд╕рд╛ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд░рд╣рд╛, рдпрд╣ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рдирд╣реАрдВ рд▓рдЧрд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред”>
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рд╢рд┐рдж рдЕрд▓рд╡реА : рдЪреВрдВрдХрд┐ рд╕рдордп рдХрдо рд╣реИ рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдореИрдВ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рд╕рдордп рдирд╣реАрдВ рд▓реЗрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд╕рдордп рдореЗрдВ рдРрд╕рд╛ рд╣реБрдЖ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдХрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд▓рдЧрддрд╛ рдерд╛, рдЗрд╕ рдкрд░рд┐рд╡рд╛рд░ рдХрд╛ рд▓рдЧрддрд╛ рдерд╛ред рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдирд░рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ рд░рд╛рд╡ рдЬреА рдереЗред рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рдЬреЛ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рддрд░рдл рд╕реЗ рд╡рд┐рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдкрди рдЖрддреЗ рдереЗ, рд╡реЗ рднреА рдРрд╕реЗ рд╣реЛрддреЗ рдереЗ рдЬреИрд╕реЗ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдХреЗ рд╡рд┐рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдкрди рд╣реЛрдВред рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрджрд░ рдРрд╕рд╛ рд▓рдЧрддрд╛ рдерд╛, рдЬрдм рдЙрдирдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдереА, рдХрд┐ рд╣рдореЗрдВ рд╕рд╛рдВрд╕ рд▓реЗрдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдЕрдЦреНрд┐рддрдпрд╛рд░ рднреА рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рди рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЬреА рдиреЗ рджреЗ рд░рдЦрд╛ рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рдпрд╣ рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рдерд╛, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдк рдЦреЬреЗ рд╣реЛрдХрд░ рд╡рдХрд╛рд▓рдд рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рдереЗ рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдХрд╣ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдореЗрд░рд╛ рддрдЬреБрд░реНрдмрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЬреЛ рднреА рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рд╡рд┐рд░реЛрдз рдореЗрдВ рд░рд╣рддреА рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЯреА.рд╡реА. рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЬрдм рд╡рд╣ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ рдЪрд▓реА рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИ рддреЛ рдХрд╣рддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕рдХреЛ рдЖрдЯреЛрдиреЙрдореА рдорд┐рд▓рдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред”>
“> рдпрд╣ рдЬрдирд╛рдмреЗ рд╢реЗрдЦ рдХрд╛ рдлрд▓рд╕рдлрд╛ рд╣реИ рдЕрдЬреАрдм рд╕рд╛рд░реЗ рдЬрд╣рд╛рдВ рд╕реЗ”>
“> рдЬреЛ рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдкреАрдКрдВ рддреЛ рд╣рд░рд╛рдо рд╣реИ, рдЬреЛ рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкреАрдКрдВ рддреЛ рд╣рд▓рд╛рд▓ рд╣реИред”>
“> рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдкрд░ рджреВрд╕рд░рд╛ рдЕрдВрджрд╛рдЬреЗ рдлрд┐реШ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкрд░ рджреВрд╕рд░рд╛ рдЕрдВрджрд╛рдЬреЗ рдлрд┐реШ рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЬреЛ рдЖрдЬ рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рд╣реИ, рдЕрд░реВрдг рдЬреЗрдЯрд▓реА рдЬреА рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдкреБрд░рд╛рдиреЗ рдорд┐рддреНрд░ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдореЗрд░реЗ рд╕реЗ рдХреБрдЫ рд╕рд╛рд▓ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рд╡рдХрд╛рд▓рдд рд╢реБрд░реВ рдХреА рдереА, рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдЬрдм рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдЬрд╛рдЗрди рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рддреЛ рд╡реЗ рд╡рдХрд╛рд▓рдд рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рдереЗ, рдореИрдВ рдЙрдирдХреА рдЗрдЬреНрдЬрдд рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рдЙрдирд╕реЗ рджреБрдЦ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдЬ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрджрд░ рдЖрдо рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд╣ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ, рдЬреЛ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдпрд╣ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд╣реА рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдХрдореНрдкреЗрдпрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд░рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЕрднреА рдореЗрд░реЗ рдПрдХ рджреЛрд╕реНрдд рдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рдмрд╣реБрдд рд╕рд╛рд░реЗ рдЕрдВрддрд░рд░рд╛рд╖реНрдЯреНрд░реАрдп рдкреНрд░рдорд╛рдг рдкрддреНрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЛ рдорд┐рд▓реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдореБрдордХрд┐рди рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдорд┐рд▓реЗ рд╣реЛрдВрдЧреЗ, рдореИрдВ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЖрдо рдЬрдирддрд╛ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдХрдпрд╛ рд╕реЛрдЪрддреА рд╣реИ, рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдХрдпрд╛ рд╕реЛрдЪрддреА рд╣реИ, рдпрд╣ рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рджреЗрдиреЗ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реИред рдЖрдЬ рдЖрдо рдЖрджрдореА рдмреА.рдмреА.рд╕реА. рдкрд░ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рднрд░реЛрд╕рд╛ рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдкрд░ рдХрдо рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдореБрдЭреЗ рдорд╛рдл рдХрд░реЗрдВрдЧреЗ, рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдСрд▓ рдЗрдВрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рд╕реЗ рд╡рд╣реА рд╕рдм рдХреБрдЫ рдЕрдирд╛рдЙрдВрд╕ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдЬреЛ рдЖрдЬ рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреА рд╣реИред рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдХрднреА рдЦрдмрд░реЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдпрд╣ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╕реБрдирд╛ рдФрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдкрд░ рдпрд╣ рдирд╣реАрдВ рджреЗрдЦрд╛ рдпрд╛ рд╕реБрдирд╛ рдХрд┐ рдмрд╛рдмрд░реА рдорд╕реНрд┐рдЬрдж рдЧрд┐рд░ рдЧрдИ, рд╣рдореЗрд╢рд╛ рдпрд╣реА рд╕реБрдирд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдкрд░ рдПрдХ рдврд╛рдВрдЪрд╛ рдерд╛, рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХреЛ рдЦрддреНрдо рдХрд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ред рдпрд╣ рдПрдХ рд╕реЛрдЪреА-рд╕рдордЭреА рд╕рд╛рдЬрд┐рд╢ рд╣реИред рдЙрд╕реАрдХреЗ рддрд╣рдд рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдСрд▓ рдЗрдВрдбрд┐рдпрд╛ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдЖрдЬ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдореИрдВ рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕ рд╕рд┐рд▓рд╕рд┐рд▓реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдПрдХ рдХрд╛рдореНрдкреНрд░рд┐рд╣реЗрдВрд╕рд┐рд╡ рдмрд┐рд▓ рдЖрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рди рд╕рд┐рд░реНрдл рдпрд╣рд╛рдВ рдХреА рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рд╕реНрд╡рддрдВрддреНрд░рддрд╛ рд╕реЗ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░реЗ, рдмрд▓реНрд┐рдХ рдпрд╣ рднреА рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреА рдЬреЛ рддрд╣рдЬреАрдм рдФрд░ рддрдореБрджреБрди рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕рдХреЛ рдЗрдирдЯреИрдХ рд░рдЦреЗред рдЖрдЬ рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрджрд░ рдЬреЛ рдореБрдЦрддрд▓рд┐рдл рдЪреИрдирд▓реНрд╕ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдореЗрдВ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рддрд░реАрдХреЗ рдХреЗ рдкреНрд░реЛрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдо рджрд┐рдП рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред”>
“> рдЗрд╕ рдореБрд▓реНрдХ рдХреА рддрд╣рдЬреАрдм рдФрд░ рддрдорджреНрджреБрдж рдХреЗ рдЦрд┐рд▓рд╛рдл рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рд╕рдордЭрдиреЗ рдореЗрдВ рдХрд╛рд╕реАрд░ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рд╣рд┐рдиреНрджреА рдореВрд╡реАрдЬ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдВрдЧреА, рддреЛ рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рдХреЛрдИ рджреВрд╕рд░рд╛ рдорд╛рдкрджрдВрдб рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЬрдм рдЕрдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрдЬреА рдореВрд╡реАрдЬ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдВрдЧреА, рддреЛ рджреВрд╕рд░рд╛ рдорд╛рдкрджрдВрдб рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред рджреЗрдЦрдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рд╡рд╣реА рд▓реЛрдЧ рд╣рд┐рдиреНрджреБрд╕реНрддрд╛рдиреА рд╣реИрдВред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдореИрдВ рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдПрдХ рдХрд╛рдореНрдкреНрд░рд┐рд╣реИрдВрд╕рд┐рд╡ рдмрд┐рд▓ рдЖрдирд╝рд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП, рдЬрд┐рд╕рдХреЗ рдЕрдиреНрджрд░ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рддрд╣рдЬреАрдм рдФрд░ рддрдорджреНрджреБрдж рдЗрдиреНрдЯреИрдХрдЯ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Kindly conclude now. You were allotted three minutes, I have given you five minutes.
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд░рд╛рд╢рд┐рдж рдЕрд▓реНрд╡реА : рдореИрдВ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рд╡рдХрдд рди рд▓реЗрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП, рдПрдХ рдмрд╛рдд рдФрд░ рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдореИрдВ рдЬрд┐рддрдиреЗ рднреА рдмреНрд░рд╛рдбрдХрд╛рд╕реНрд┐рдЯрдВрдЧ рдордирд┐рд╕реНрдЯрд░реНрд╕ рд╣реБрдП рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдХреЗ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рджрд┐рдП рдЧрдП рдХрдиреНрдЯреНрд░рд╛рдбрд┐рдХрдЯреНрд░реА рд╕реНрдЯреЗрдЯрдореЗрдВрдЯрд╕ рдореЗрдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдПрдХ рдмрд╛рдд рдЬрд░реВрд░ рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рднрдЧрд╡рд╛рди рдХреГрд╖реНрдг рдиреЗ рдЧреАрддрд╛ рдХреЗ рдЕрдиреНрджрд░ рдХрд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ – рд░рд╛рдЬрдиреАрддрд┐ рджреЛ рддрд░реАрдХреЗ рдХреА рд╣реЛрддреА рд╣реИ, рдПрдХ рд░рд╛рдЬрд╛ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдФрд░ рджреВрд╕рд░реА рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдПред рднрдЧрд╡рд╛рди рдХреГрд╖реНрдг рдиреЗ рдХрд╣рд╛ рдерд╛, рдЬрдм рд░рд╛рдЬрдиреАрддрд┐ рд░рд╛рдЬрд╛ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдХреА рдЬрд╛рддреА рд╣реИ, рддреЛ рдирд┐рд╖реНрдард╛ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдЕрд░реНрде рдЦреЛ рджреЗрддреА рд╣реИред рдЬрдм рдирд┐рд╖реНрдард╛ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдЕрд░реНрде рдЦреЛ рджреЗрддреА рд╣реИ, рддреЛ рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдорддрд▓рдм рдЦреЛ рджреЗрддреА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЬрдм рд╕рдЪреНрдЪрд╛рдИ рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдорддрд▓рдм рдЦреЛ рджреЗрддреА рд╣реИ, рддреЛ рд╕рд┐рд░реНрдл рдЭреВрда рдХрд╛ рд░рд╛рдЬ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдЕрд▓рд╛рд╡рд╛ рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдФрд░ рдХрд╛ рд░рд╛рдЬ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдореИрдВ рдЬреЗрдЯрд▓реА рдЬреА рд╕реЗ рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдБ рдХрд┐ рд░рд╛рдЬрдиреАрддрд┐ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдХрд░реЗрдВ, рд░рд╛рдЬрд╛ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ ред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдореИрдВ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдПрдХ рдХрд╛рдореНрдкреНрд░рд┐рд╣реИрдВрд╕рд┐рд╡ рдмрд┐рд▓ рд▓рд╛рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдП, рддрд╛рдХрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рди рд╕рд┐рд░реНрдл рдЗрдиреНрд┐рдбрдкреЗрдВрдбреЗрдВрдЯрд▓реА рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░реЗ, рдмрд▓реНрд┐рдХ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреЛ рдирдЬрд░ рдЖрдП рдХрд┐ рд╡рд╣ рдЗрдВрдбрд┐рдкреЗрдВрдбреЗрдВрдЯрд▓реА рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ рддрдерд╛ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдЕрдиреНрджрд░ рддрдорд╛рдо рддрд╣рдЬреАрдм рдФрд░ рддрдорджреНрджреБрдж рдХрд╡рд░ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред”>
“>SHRI T.T.V. DHINAKARAN (PERIYAKULAM): Hon. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me an opportunity to participate in this debate.
“> Advertisements is the basic resource on which the television channels survive. But certain television channels have monopolised on the advertisements over the years to the disadvantage of other channels. Therefore, I request the hon. Minister to take necessary steps to bring a legislation on the lines of Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices Act, 1969 for the prevalence of the healthy trend in television industry. Thank you, Sir.
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рдзрд░реНрдо рд░рд╛рдЬ рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ рдкрдЯреЗрд▓ (рдлреВрд▓рдкреБрд░) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореИрдВ рд▓реЛрдХрд╕рднрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдкрд╣рд▓реА рдмрд╛рд░ рдЪреБрдирдХрд░ рдЖрдпрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдФрд░ рдореИрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпрдХрд░рдг рдХреЗ рд╡рд┐рд╖рдп рдореЗрдВ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдзрд╛рд░рдгрд╛ рд╕рджрди рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рдордиреЗ рд░рдЦрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред”>
“> рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЖрдкрд╛рддрдХрд╛рд▓ рдХреЗ рд╕рдордп рдореЗрдВ рд╕рдВрд╕рдж рдореЗрдВ рдЬреЛ рднреА рд░рд╛рдп рд╣реЛрддреА рд░рд╣реА рдпрд╛ рдЕрдЦрдмрд╛рд░реЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рд╣рдо рд╕реБрдирддреЗ рд░рд╣реЗ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдФрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдкрд░ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдХрд╛ рдирд┐рдпрдиреНрддреНрд░рдг рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕реА рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рд╕рдВрдпреБрдХрдд рдореЛрд░реНрдЪреЗ рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдФрд░ рд╕рд╛рд░реЗ рджрд▓реЛрдВ рдиреЗ рд▓реЬрд╛рдИ рд▓реЬреА рдереА рдХрд┐ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдХреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдиреНрддреНрд░ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдПрдЧрд╛ред рдХрд┐рд╕реА рддрд░рд╣ рд╕реЗ рдЖрдкрд╛рддрдХрд╛рд▓ рдЦрддреНрдо рд╣реБрдЖ, рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдХрд╛ рд░рд╛рдЬ рдЦрддреНрдо рд╣реБрдЖ рдФрд░ рд╕рдВрдпреБрдХрдд рдореЛрд░реНрдЪреЗ рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЖрдИ, рддреЛ рдирд╢реНрд┐рдЪрдд рд░реВрдк рд╕реЗ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдиреЗ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдиреНрддреНрд░ рд░реВрдк рд╕реЗ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдХреЛ рдЙрд╕ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╛рд╕ рд╣реБрдЖред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЕрдм рдЬрдм рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдЖ рдЧрдИ рд╣реИ, рддреЛ рджреЛ рд╕рд╛рд▓ рд╕реЗ рд╣рдо рд▓рдЧрд╛рддрд╛рд░ рджреЗрдЦ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ “>
“>TV “> рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдкрд░ рдЬреЛ рднреА рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд▓реЗрд╖рдХ рдЖрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рд╡рднрд┐рдиреНрди рд╡рд┐рд╖рдпреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд▓реЗрд╖рдг рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рд╡реЗ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреЗ рд╕рдорд░реНрдердХ рд╣реЛрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЙрдиреНрд╣реАрдВ рд╕рдорд░реНрдердХреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдмреБрд▓рд╛рдХрд░ рдбрд┐рд╕рдХрд╢рди рдХрд░рд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИред “>
“>TV “> рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдкрд░ рд╣рдо рд╕реБрдирддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдиреНрд╣реАрдВ рд╡реИрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирд┐рдХреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдмреБрд▓рд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЬреЛ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреЗ рд╕рдорд░реНрдердХ рд╣реЛрдВ рдпрд╛ рдХрд╛рдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдХреЗ рд╕рдорд░реНрдердХ рд╣реЛрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдХрднреА рднреА рддреАрд╕рд░реА рдлреЛрд░реНрд╕ рдпрд╛ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рдорд░реНрдердХреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдмреБрд▓рд╛рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИред”>
“> рдЗрд╕реАрд▓рд┐рдП рдпрд╣ рдзрд╛рд░рдгрд╛ рдмрдирддреА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреА рдиреАрдпрдд рднреА рдЦрд░рд╛рдм рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рдорд╛рдг рдЪреБрдирд╛рд╡ рдХреЗ рджреМрд░рд╛рди рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдИ рдкреЬрд╛ рдЬрдм рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдереАред рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдФрд░ рдЯреЗрд▓реАрд╡рд┐рдЬрди рд╕реЗ рдмрд░рд╛рдмрд░ рдпрд╣ рдкреНрд░рдЪрд╛рд░ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╕рдорд╛рдЬрд╡рд╛рджреА рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдореЗрдВ рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рд╣реЛ рдЧрдпреА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рд╡рд╣ рдПрдХ-рджреЛ рд╕реАрдЯреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рдЬреАрдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдкрд╛рдпреЗрдЧреАред рджреЗрд╢ рдХрд╛ рдореБрд╕рд▓рдорд╛рди рд╕рдорд╛рдЬрд╡рд╛рджреА рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рдЫреЛреЬрдХрд░ рдЪрд▓рд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рд╕рдВрдмрдВрдз рдореЗрдВ рдореИрдВрдиреЗрдВ рдЕрд░реВрдг рд╢реМрд░реА рдЬреА рдХрд╛ рднреА рдЗрдВрдЯрд░рд╡реНрдпреВ рдкреЭрд╛ рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рд╕рдордЭрддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЗрдирдХреЗ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рд░рд╣рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдирд┐рд╖реНрдкрдХреНрд╖ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░ рдкрд╛рдпреЗрдВрдЧреЗ, рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдореБрдЭреЗ рд╕рдВрджреЗрд╣ рд╣реИред рднрд╛рд░рддреАрдп рдЬрдирддрд╛ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯреА рддреАрд╕рд░реА рдлреЛрд░реНрд╕ рдХреЛ рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдкреВрд░реА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХрд░рддреА рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЧреЗ рднреА рдХрд░рддреА рд░рд╣реЗрдЧреАред рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЬреА рд╕реЗ рдирд┐рд╡реЗрджрди рдХрд░реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдпрд╣ рдЬреЛ рдЗрд╕рдХреЛ рд▓рд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХреА рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рдЬрдпрдкрд╛рд▓ рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рдЬреА рдиреЗ рдЬреЛ рд╡рд┐рдЪрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдЗрд╕рдХреЛ рд░рдЦрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕рдХреЛ рд╕реНрд╡реАрдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЧреЗ рдПрдХ рд╡рд┐рд╢реЗрд╖рдЬреНрдЮ рд╕рдорддрд┐ рдмрдирд╛рдИ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ рдЬрд┐рд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╕рд╛рд░реА рдкрд╛рд░реНрд┐рдЯрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рд╣реЛрдВред рдЗрдиреНрд╣реАрдВ рд╢рдмреНрджреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдореИрдВ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Hon. Member Shri Suresh Kurup to speak. Shri Kurup, your Party was allotted seven minutes. Shri Rup Chand Pal has consumed more time. You have been given a bonus minute.
“>SHRI SURESH KURUP (KOTTAYAM): Sir, it is the discretion of the Chair.
“> Respected Chairman, Sir, it has been a long and painful endeavour to all the right-thinking persons in this country that we should utilise AIR and Doordarshan for stabilising our democratic setup and also for bettering the millions of illiterate poor people of our country. We are on the threshold of the next millennium and the world has already sunk to a global village. Our electronic media is facing its biggest challenge. Our skies are already open and various TV channels are competing with each other.
“> Now what are the rules of the game here? Credible and reliable information and also wide variety of entertainment are the new rules of the broadcasting regime. Here profit-driven and performance-oriented companies are competing with each other for influencing the mind and heart of the people.
“> In this environment, what should be the role of our electronic media apart from entertainment in which, of course, they have to compete successfully with other TV channels? They have a great responsibility on their shoulders. This is the only medium which can rise to the millions of illiterate masses of our country because illiteracy is not a bar for hearing the radio and viewing television.
“> The duty of AIR and Doordarshan is to inform, educate and entertain. My humble submission is that competition with other TV channels should not be at the cost of public service broadcasting. Already the time earmarked for public service broadcasting is being reduced. In a country like India, public service broadcasting should not be sacrificed at the altar of commercialisation. The public service broadcasting cannot be led by the market because, as I pointed out earlier, half of our population is out of the market, beyond the market.
“> So, whatever material that you want to reach the poor farmers to improve the quality of their life can only be through public service broadcasting. Here lies the main difference between Doordarshan and other TV channels. It should communicate to each and every citizen of our country. In this scenario, in what way should AIR and Doordarshan function? It is already pointed out that it was the dream of Jawaharlal Nehru that AIR should be modelled like BBC, with only broad Government control and wide autonomy. All these years, we have seen the negation of this idea. It was during emergency, we witnessed the naked assault on the independence of AIR and Doordarshan in this country. So, after emergency, the new ruling dispensation could not back out from the commitment given to the people regarding conferring of autonomy to AIR and Doordarshan. It was in this atmosphere that B.G. Verghese Committee was appointed, 20 years have lapsed since that Committee presented its Report, and everyone knows that none of its recommendations were implemented. It was a difficult path for AIR and Doordarshan to tread to reach the gates of autonomy.
“> It was a genuine attempt to confer autonomy to AIR and Doordarshan that the Prasar Bharati Act of 1990 was passed. But again, the country had to wait for another non-Congress Government for conferring the autonomy to the electronic media. It goes to the credit of my esteemed colleague, Shri Jaipal Reddy … (Interruptions)
“>SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO (DHENKANAL): Then he was a former Congressman, and now he is a Congressman.
“>SHRI SURESH KURUP : He is always a Congressman at heart. He was the only Broadcasting Minister in this country who showed the political will and conviction to confer genuine autonomy to AIR and Doordarshan by constituting the Prasar Bharati Board and making it autonomous. In any case, it is a pleasure and pious obligation to salute him.
“> As everyone knows, the breath of fresh air that Shri Jaipal Reddy could infuse into the organisation could not last long. Again, it has degraded into the level of any ordinary Government department. This Government”s policy towards this organisation, and the treatment that is in store for AIR and Doordarshan became evident when the Government made Romila Thapar and Rajendra Yadav to retire. Each and every speaker has referred about it. But what were the criteria used for this retirement? The only criteria used was that they were voices of dissent, as far as the Government is concerned. The Government do not want any independent-minded intellectual in this Board. They want to fill this institution with loyal saffronites. If we take the Government”s attitude at its face value that as per the Act, after every two years two members have to retire, even then there was one vacancy already existing. That was created because Shri A. Padmanabhaiah had become the Governor. So, the need, if at all there was any need, was only for one member to retire. This itself shows that the Government”s argument is spurious. This is part of a systematic organised attempt by BJP to saffronise all the key areas in the country. Already, textbooks are being rewritten, history books are trampled with, so also Prasar Bharati.
A new argument is being floated by the Government that the question of autonomy does not arise now, since Doordarshan is not the only network functioning in the country. I am surprised to see that a person like Shri Nitish Sengupta has also mentioned about that argument. This is a very deceiving argument. Since many other TV channels are already in the country, it is most important that Doordarshan and AIR should be autonomous.
It should be well-managed. Doordarshan may be owned by the Government but it should not be controlled by the Government on a day to day basis.
Sir, the offices of the Doordarshan and All India Radio should not be subordinate to the Shastri Bhawan only. They should be independent entities. There are different broadcasting systems in every part of the world which are owned and controlled by the Government, but those Governments broadly direct the organisations. It is only through this type of an autonomy that the Doordarshan can effectively compete with other channels in the country and reach the people
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд╕реБрд░реЗрд╢ рд░рд╛рдорд░рд╛рд╡ рдЬрд╛рдзрд╡ (рдкрд░рднрдиреА) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдирд┐рдпрдо резрепрей рдХреЗ рдЕрдзреАрди рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпрдХрд░рдг рдХреЗ рд╕рдВрдмрдВрдз рдореЗрдВ рд╕рджрди рдореЗрдВ рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдорд╣реЛрджрдп рд╕рдХреНрд╖рдо рд╣реИрдВ рдФрд░ рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдЖрд╢рд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╡реЗ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдХрд╛ рдврд╛рдВрдЪрд╛ рдмрджрд▓рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдХрд╛рд░рдЧрд░ рдФрд░ рдордЬрдмреВрдд рдХрджрдо рдЙрдард╛рдпреЗрдВрдЧреЗ ред рдЕрдм рддрдХ рднрд╛рд░рдд рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдЗрд╡реЗрдЯ рдЪреИрдирд▓ рдЖ рдЧрдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╣рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рд╡рд░реНрддрдорд╛рди рдврд╛рдВрдЪреЗ рдХреЛ рднреА рдордЬрдмреВрдд рдмрдирд╛рдирд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдореЗрдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдХреЗ рдкреНрд░рдЪрд╛рд░ рдХрд╛рдпрд░реНреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдХрд┐рддрдирд╛ рд╣рд┐рд╕реНрд╕рд╛ рд╣реИ, рдпрд╣ рднреА рд╕реЛрдЪрдиреЗ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реИред рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рднрд╡рд┐рд╖реНрдп рдореЗрдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдХрд╛ рд╕реНрд╡рд░реВрдк рдХреИрд╕реЗ рдмрджрд▓реЗрдЧреА, рдЙрд╕рдХреЛ рдХреИрд╕реЗ рдмрджрд▓рдирд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛, рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдорд╣реЛрджрдп рд╕реЗ рдпрд╣ рдЬрд╛рдирдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ред рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдкреБрдирд░реНрдЧрдарди рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рддреАрди рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреА рдПрдХ рдХрдореЗрдЯреА рдХрд╛ рдЧрдарди рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рдХрд╛ рдХрд╛рд░реНрдпрдХрд╛рд▓ рдХрд┐рддрдирд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ рдФрд░ рдпрд╣ рдХрдореЗрдЯреА рдЕрдкрдиреА рд░рд┐рдкреЛрд░реНрдЯ рдХрдм рддрдХ рджреЗрдЧреА, рдореБрдЭреЗ рдЖрд╢рд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рдордВрддреНрд░реА рдЬреА рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдЙрддреНрддрд░ рдореЗрдВ рд╕рджрди рдХреЛ рдЕрд╡рдЧрдд рдХрд░реЗрдВрдЧреЗред”>
“> рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореБрдЦреНрдп рд╕рд╡рд╛рд▓ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдХреА рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдХрд╛ рд╣реИред рдореЗрд░рд╛ рдорд╛рдирдирд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдпрджрд┐ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЛ рдХрд╛рд░рдЧрд░ рдврдВрдЧ рд╕реЗ рд▓рд╛рдЧреВ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдЧрд╛ рддреЛ рдирд╢реНрд┐рдЪрдд рд░реВрдк рд╕реЗ рд╕реВрдЪрдирд╛ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдореЛрдВ рдХреА рдЧреБрдгрд╡рддреНрддрд╛ рдХреЛ рдореЫрдмреВрдд рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛ рд╕рдХреЗрдЧрд╛ред рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреА рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╕рдиреАрдпрддрд╛ рдХреИрд╕реЗ рд╣реЛрдЧреА, рднрд╛рд░рдд рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рднрд╡рд┐рд╖реНрдп рдореЗрдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдХрд╛ рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рдХреНрд╖реЗрддреНрд░ рдмреЭрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдпреЗ рдХрдпрд╛ рдХрд░реЗрдЧреА, рдпрд╣ рднреА рдПрдХ рдорд╣рддреНрд╡рдкреВрд░реНрдг рд╕рд╡рд╛рд▓ рд╣реИред рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрддрд░реНрдЧрдд рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рд░реЗрдбрд┐рдпреЛ рдкрд░ рдЧреНрд░рд╛рдореАрдг рднрд╛рд░рдд рдХрд╛ рджрд░реНрд╢рди рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЬрд░реВрд░реА рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реНрдереНрдп рд╣реЛ рдпрд╛ рд╢рд┐рдХреНрд╖рд╛ рд╣реЛред”>
“> рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реНрдереНрдп рд╣реЛ, рдЪрд╛рд╣реЗ рд╢рд┐рдХреНрд╖рд╛ рд╣реЛ, рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рджреЗрд╢ рд╡рд╡рд┐рдзрддрд╛ рд╡рд╛рд▓рд╛ рджреЗрд╢ рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕ рджреЗрд╢ рдореЗрдВ рдЕрдиреЗрдХреЛрдВ рднрд╛рд╖рд╛рдПрдВ рд╣реИрдВ, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЬреЛ рд╕реНрдерд╛рдиреАрдп рднрд╛рд╖рд╛рдПрдВ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рднреА рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдХреЛ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рд╕реЗ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рд╕рдордп рджреЗрдиреЗ рдХреА рдЬрд░реВрд░рдд рд╣реИред рд╡рд┐рд╢реЗрд╖ рд░реВрдк рд╕реЗ рдЬреЛ рдорд░рд╛рдареА рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░реЛрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдо рдЪрд▓рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдФрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рд╕реЗ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рд╕рдордп рдмреЭрд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХрд░реЗред рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдХрд╣рдХрд░ рдореИрдВ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдзрдиреНрдпрд╡рд╛рджред”>
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд╣рд░реАрднрд╛рдК рд╢рдВрдХрд░ рдорд╣рд╛рд▓реЗ (рдорд╛рд▓реЗрдЧрд╛рдВрд╡) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдореБрдЭреЗ рдмреЛрд▓рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рд╕рдордп рджрд┐рдпрд╛, рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХрд╛ рдзрдиреНрдпрд╡рд╛рдж рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рдЖрдЬ рд╕реЗ рджрд╕ рджрд┐рди рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рд╣рдо рд╕рдм рд▓реЛрдЧ реирежрежрежрд╡реЗрдВ рд╡рд░реНрд╖ рдореЗрдВ рдкрджрд╛рд░реНрдкрдг рдХрд░реЗрдВрдЧреЗред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрд╕ рдкрджрд╛рд░реНрдкрдг рдХрд╛ рдХрдпрд╛ рдорд╣рддреНрд╡ рд╣реИ, рдЬрдм рджреЗрд╢ рдореЗрдВ релреж рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╢рдд рд▓реЛрдЧ рдирд┐рд░рдХреНрд╖рд░ рд╣реЛрдВред рдХреБрдкреЛрд╖рдг рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░рдг рдЬрдЧрд╣-рдЬрдЧрд╣ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдЬрд╛ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдХрдИ-рдХрдИ рд╡рд┐рднрд╛рдЧреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рейрео рдирдпреЗ рдкреИрд╕реЗ рджреЛ рдЖрджрдорд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдХреА рдЖрдорджрдиреА рд╣реИ, рдРрд╕реА рд╕реНрд┐рдерддрд┐ рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рджреЗрд╢ рдХреА рд╣реИред рдХрд┐рддрдиреЗ рд╣реА рдХрд┐рд╕рд╛рди рдХрд░реНрдЬрд╛ рд╡рд╛рдкрд┐рд╕ рди рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░рдг рдЖрддреНрдорд╣рддреНрдпрд╛ рдХрд░ рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдпрд╣ рд╕рдЪ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛ рджреЗрд╢ ренреж рдлреАрд╕рджреА рдХрд┐рд╕рд╛рдиреЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рджреЗрд╢ рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЙрдирдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдкрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЖрддреА рд╣реИред рдЦрд╛рд▓реА рдмреЬреЗ-рдмреЬреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдЪреЗрд╣рд░реЗ-рдореЛрд╣рд░реЗ рдЖрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдпреЗ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдпрд╣ рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рд╡рд╣ рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдХрдпрд╛ рдХрд╣реАрдВ рд╕рдЪ рдмрд╛рдд рднреА рдЖрддреА рд╣реИ? рдХрдИ рд╕реНрдерд╛рдиреЛрдВ рдкрд░ рд╕реЬрдХреЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИрдВ, рд░реЗрд▓ рддреЛ рджреВрд░ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╣реИред рдХреЛрдИ рд╕реБрд╡рд┐рдзрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдЖрджрд┐рдо рдЬрд╛рддрд┐ рд╡рд┐рднрд╛рдЧ рдореЗрдВ резрепреореж рдореЗрдВ рдлреЙрд░реЗрд╕реНрдЯ рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдмрдирд╛, рдЙрд╕ рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдХреА рд╡рдЬрд╣ рд╕реЗ рд╡рд┐рдХрд╛рд╕ рдХрд╛ рдХрд╛рдо рдардк рд╣реЛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИред рдХрдпрд╛ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рд╡рд╛рд▓реЗ рдХрднреА рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдЧрдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдХрдпрд╛ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдмреВ рдХрднреА рдЙрдзрд░ рдЧрдпреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдХрдпрд╛ рдХрднреА рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рд╡рд╣рд╛рдВ рдЬрд╛рдХрд░ рджреЗрдЦрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдХрдпрд╛ рд╣рд╛рд▓рдд рд╣реИред рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореИрдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдХрд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЬреЛ рддрд╛рд▓рд╛рдм рд░рдЦрддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рдкрд╛рдиреА рдкреАрдпреЗрдЧрд╛, рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдХрдпрд╛ рдпрд╣ рддрд╛рд▓рд╛рдм рдФрд░реЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИрдВред рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╕рднреА рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рд╣реЛрддреА рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕реЗ рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рд░реЗ рдореЗрдВ рд╕реЛрдЪрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХреЗ рдорд╛рдзреНрдпрдо рд╕реЗ рдПрдХ рдмрд╛рдд рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдмрд╛рдмрд╛рд╕рд╛рд╣реЗрдм рдЕрдореНрдмреЗрдбрдХрд░ рдиреЗ рд╕рдВрд╡рд┐рдзрд╛рди рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ … (рд╡реНрдпрд╡рдзрд╛рди)”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Kindly speak on the subject under discussion. You can talk about Dr. Ambedkar when you speak on the Constitution.
“> рд╢реНрд░реА рд╣рд░реАрднрд╛рдК рд╢рдВрдХрд░ рдорд╣рд╛рд▓реЗ : рдЬрдм рд╡реА.рдкреА. рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдереА, рддрдм рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдмрд╛рдмрд╛рд╕рд╛рд╣реЗрдм рдХрд╛ рддреИрд▓ рдЪрд┐рддреНрд░ рдмрдирд╡рд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рдХреЛрд╢рд┐рд╢ рдХреА, рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдиреЗ рддреИрд▓ рдЪрд┐рддреНрд░ рдмрдирд╡рд╛рдпреЗред рдмрд╛рдмрд╛рд╕рд╛рд╣реЗрдм рдХрд╛ рдЬреЛ рдкреБрддрд▓рд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдЪрд╛рд░ рджрд┐рди рддрдХ рд▓реЛрдХ рд╕рднрд╛ рд╕рдорд╛рдЪрд╛рд░реЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рдирд╣реАрдВ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдпреА рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдмреВ рдЗрддрдиреЗ рдХрд╛рдордЪреЛрд░ рд╣реИрдВред рд╡реА.рдкреА. рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдереА, рдлрд┐рд░ рднреА рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдЪрд╛рд░ рджрд┐рди рддрдХ рдЗрд╕реЗ рдирд╣реА рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдпрд╛ред рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рд▓реЛрдХ рд╕рднрд╛ рдореЗрдВ рдирд┐рдпрдо рейренрен рдХреЗ рддрд╣рдд рджрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдмрд╛рдмрд╛рд╕рд╛рд╣реЗрдм рдХрд╛ рдЪрд┐рддреНрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдкрд░ рджрд┐рдЦрд╛рдпреЗрдВред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдмрд╛рдмреВ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдРрд╕реЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ рдирд╣реАрдВ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдХрдпрд╛ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдЖрдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИрдВред рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рд╕рдмрдХрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕реЗ рд╕рдмрдХрд╛ рд╕рд╣рдпреЛрдЧреА рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдореИрдВ рдХрд┐рд╕реА рдкрд░ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рдирд╣реАрдВ рд▓рдЧрд╛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реВрдВред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЬреЛ рддрд╛рд▓рд╛рдм рд░рдЦрддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рд╡рд╣ рдкрд╛рдиреА рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ рд▓реЗрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╕рднреА рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдЙрд╕рдХрд╛ рдЙрдкрдпреЛрдЧ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдХрд╣рдХрд░ рдореИрдВ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдмрд╛рдд рд╕рдорд╛рдкреНрдд рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВред”>
“>SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL (CHANDIGARH): I submit that you kindly take the discussion to tomorrow rather than allowing only two minutes to each Member.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: The time allotted or this discussion does not permit more time to Members. This is the time allotted by the Business Advisory Committee.
“>SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL : Members are making valid suggestions. Some time should be given to them to speak.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: The time is allotted by the Business Advisory Committee.
“>SHRI PAWAN KUMAR BANSAL : We do allocate time in the Business Advisory Committee that way but always more time is given to the Members to speak.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay, let them consume more time.
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : Sir, I would like to express my displeasure at the way the BJP Members are being treated. It is most unfortunate that a party with 182 Members has got only one Member to speak on its behalf.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: You have your Minister sitting here.
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : Does it mean that we do not need to come to the House at all? …(Interruptions)
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : They might be very magnanimous …(Interruptions)…Does it apply for only the Ministers? If so, then there is no need of us coming to this House at all. We have not come here just to raise our hands.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : The time allotted for your party has already been exhausted by your Member.
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : Sir, speaking in this House is in itself an incentive. We go to the Library and prepare the subject for hours together, and after that when we come here to speak, you say that there is no time for the Ruling party Members… (Interruptions)
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Minister of Parliamentary Affairs, Shri Pramod Mahajan has given it in writing that `if only the time permits, you allow more Members to speak”.
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : Sir, you are controlling the House here. The Chair is controlling this House. That is the point, I just want to make.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: In the morning at 10 o” clock, you have different views.
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : Because we belong to the Ruling party, you cannot be so partial to us. Three Members from the Congress party have already spoken on this subject. You tell us. Just to speak in this House, we will have to become Ministers, then only, you will allow us to speak! I express my deepest displeasure.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: I could give you any time you want because I do not have any other work here on the Chair. But a decision had been taken in the BAC.
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : It would have been better just to have been elected as a Member of a single-Member party so that on every subject, I could have spoken. 182-Members party will get the same time as one-Member party or two-Member party gets! What is this, Sir?
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Please allow Shri Kanungo to speak.
“>SHRI TRILOCHAN KANUNGO (JAGATSINGHPUR): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I had thought that perhaps I would be the last speaker. But I am not the last speaker, and my words are also not the last words.
“> Sir, I have been keeping in high esteem, hon. Shri Jaipal Reddy, even when I was not here in this House. My respect for him has also not gone down. I have heard him here and outside also with rapt attention. I have also heard different voices. I thought to express myself to give my free voice, to give my opinion of conscience because I do not want to put on a different face.
“> Sir, the electronic media of today and that of five to ten years before are altogether different. They have gone a sea change. During 1974-75, when T.V. was not known all over the country, the radio was only the known, the All India Radio was known as `All Indira Radio”. At that time, I was a Member of the Orissa Legislative Assembly from the Congress party. During that time, even people in rural places were telling that `it is All Indira Radio”, what happened after the 1977 Elections? Everybody knows. My point is very simple. There was monopoly of the electronic media, and therefore, everybody was telling that it should be given autonomy.
“> Sir, I put before this august House. I appeal to the conscience of the hon. Jaipal Reddy. Is he really interested in the credibility of Doordarshan and electronic media? Is he really interested to have perfect accountability of the electronic media, the Prasar Bharati Board or Doordarshan, whatever the case may be? If he wants it, then my humble submission is that, when free channels and private channels are available, why don”t we leave it under the control of the Government totally? This way, the credibility part, the accountability part will get scrutinised because they would be under scrutiny every moment, not only by this House alone but also by hundred of crores of people of our country.
“> Therefore, my point is that in the changing scenario, when there are so many free channels, let it be compared accountability-wise, quality-wise and character-wise. Thereby, the character, credibility and accountability of the Government will be subject to scrutiny every moment not only here but also outside.
“> I want to express my opinion that it should be left in the hands of the Government so that the Government”s character, quality, calibre, credibility and accountability would be subject to scrutiny at every moment not only by this House, but by the whole of India, instead of granting full autonomy to audio-visual media, i.e A.I.R. and Doordarshan.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Now Shri Kharabela Swain will speak.
“> … (Interruptions)
“>SHRI KHARABELA SWAIN : Are you giving me two minutes? In that case, I do not want to speak.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN: Prof. Rasa Singh Rawat will now speak.
“> рдкреНрд░реЛ. рд░рд╛рд╕рд╛ рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ рд░рд╛рд╡рдд (рдЕрдЬрдореЗрд░) : рд╕рднрд╛рдкрддрд┐ рдорд╣реЛрджрдп, рдореИрдВ рдЖрдкрдХреА рдЖрдЬреНрдЮрд╛ рдХрд╛ рдкрд╛рд▓рди рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдпрд╣реА рдХрд╣рдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рд░реЗрдбреНрдбреА рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдХрд╛ рджрд░реНрдж рд╣рдо рд╕рдордЭ рд╕рдХрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рдЬрд┐рди рднрд╛рд╡рдирд╛рдУрдВ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдпреЗ рдЙрд╕ рд╕рдордп рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╛рд░ рднрд╛рд░рддреА рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдЖрдпреЗ рдФрд░ рдЧреБрдЬрд░рд╛рд▓ рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреЗ рдЬрд╛рддреЗ-рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рдЬрд┐рд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рдкрд░рд╕реНрд┐рдерддрд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдЕрдВрджрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд░рдЦрд╛, рд╡реЗ рд╕рд╛рд░реА рдЪреАрдЬреЗрдВ рд╕рд╛рдордиреЗ рдЖ рд░рд╣реА рд╣реИрдВ рддреЛ рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рджрд░реНрдж рд╕рдордЭ рдореЗрдВ рдЖ рд╕рдХрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдХреЗрд╕рд░реАрдХрд░рдг рдХрд╛ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рд▓рдЧрд╛рдирд╛ рдпрд╛ рднрдЧрд╡рд╛рдХрд░рдг рдХрд╛ рдЖрд░реЛрдк рд▓рдЧрд╛рдирд╛ рд╕рд░реНрд╡рдерд╛ рдирд┐рд░рд╛рдзрд╛рд░ рд╣реИред рдПрдХ рдЙрд░реНрджреВ рдХреЗ рд╢рд╛рдпрд░ рдХреА рдкрдВрдХрд┐рддрдпрд╛рдВ рдореБрдЭреЗ рдпрд╛рдж рдЖрддреА рд╣реИрдВ”>
“> рдард╣рдо рдЖрд╣ рднреА рднрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рддреЛ рд╣реЛ рдЬрд╛рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдмрджрдирд╛рдо,”>
“> рд╡рд╣ рдХрддреНрд▓ рднреА рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рддреЛ рдЪрд░реНрдЪрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрддреАред”””>
“> рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдорд╛рдирдиреАрдп рдЬреЗрдЯрд▓реА рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдХреЛ рдореБрдмрд╛рд░рдХрдмрд╛рдж рджреЗрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рд╡реЗ”>
“> рдард▓реАрдХ-рд▓реАрдХ рдЧрд╛реЬреА рдЪрд▓реЗ, рд▓реАрдХ рд╣реА рдЪрд▓реЗ рдХрдкреВрдд”>
“> рд▓реАрдХ рдЫрд╛рдВреЬрд┐ рддреАрдиреЛрдВ рдЪрд▓реЗ, рд╢рд╛рдпрд░ рд╕рд┐рдВрд╣ рд╕рдкреВрддред”””>
“> рдЗрд╕рд▓рд┐рдП рдЖрдк рд╣рдорд╛рд░реА рдПрди.рдбреА.рдП. рдХреА рднрд╛рд╡рдирд╛ рдХреЗ рдЕрдиреБрд╕рд╛рд░, рдЬрд┐рд╕ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рднрд┐рдорд╛рди рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде, рдХрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрд╛ рд╣рдо рднреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрддрд╛ рдХреЗ рдирд╛рдо рдкрд░ рд╕реНрд╡рдЪреНрдЫрдВрджрддрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реЛрдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдЖрдЯреЛрдиреЙрдореА рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде-рд╕рд╛рде рдПрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рднреА рд╣реЛрдиреА рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдореИрдВ рд╕рдордЭрддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдк рд╣рдорд╛рд░реЗ рдЗрди рд╡рд┐рдЪрд╛рд░реЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдЕрд╡рд╢реНрдп рдорджреНрджреЗрдирдЬрд░ рд░рдЦреЗрдВрдЧреЗред”>
“> рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдПрд╡рдВ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢ рдореЗрдВ рдорд╛рд░реНрдХреЗрдЯрд┐рдВрдЧ рдПрдВрдб рдореИрдиреЗрдЬрдореИрдВрдЯ рд╕рд┐рд╕реНрдЯрдо рдХреЛ рднреА рдмрджрд▓рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдорд╛рдорд▓рд╛ рд╣реИред рдкреНрд░реЛрдлреИрд╢рдирд▓рд┐рдЬреНрдо рдХреЛ рднреА рд▓рд╛рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдорд╛рдорд▓рд╛ рд╣реИред рдЕрдкрдЧреНрд░реЗрдбреЗрд╢рди рдСрдл рдЯреЗрдХрдиреЛрд▓реЙрдЬреА рдХрд╛ рдорд╛рдорд▓рд╛ рднреА рд╣реИред рдЗрд╕рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдХрд╡рд╛рд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдСрдл рдкреНрд░реЛрдЧреНрд░рд╛рдо рдФрд░ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╕рдиреАрдпрддрд╛ рдмрдирд╛рдиреЗ рдХреА рднреА рдмрд╣реБрдд рдЖрд╡рд╢реНрдпрдХрддрд╛ рд╣реИред рдореИрдВ рд╕рдордЭрддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЗрди рд╕рд╛рд░реА рдмрд╛рддреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рдореЗрдВ рд░рдЦрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдЬрд┐рди рджреЛ рд╡реНрдпрдХрд┐рддрдпреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд╣рдЯрд╛рдпрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рдФрд░ рдЬрд┐рдирдХреЗ рдирд╛рдо рдкрд░ рддрдерд╛рдХрдерд┐рдд рд╡рд╛рдордкрдВрдерд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рдФрд░ рдЫрджреНрдо рдзрд░реНрдордирд┐рд░рдкреЗрдХреНрд╖рддрд╛рд╡рд╛рджрд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рджрд┐рд▓реНрд▓реА рд╣рд╛рдИрдХреЛрд░реНрдЯ рдореЗрдВ рд╣реЛ-рд╣рд▓реНрд▓рд╛ рдордЪрд╛рдпрд╛, рд╡рд╣ рдпрд╛рдЪрд┐рдХрд╛ рдирд┐рд░рд╕реНрдд рдХрд░рдХреЗ рдПрдХ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╕реЗ рдЙрдирдХреЗ рдореБрдВрд╣ рдкрд░ рдХрд░рд╛рд░реА рдЪрдкрдд рдорд╛рд░реА рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рд╡рд╛рд╕реНрддрд╡ рдореЗрдВ рд╡реЗ рдЧрд▓рддреА рдкрд░ рдереЗ рдФрд░ рдЙрди рдЖрджрдорд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рд╣рдЯрд╛рдирд╛ рд╕рд╣реА рдерд╛ред рдпрджрд┐ рд╡рд╛рдордкрдВрдереА рд░рдЦреЗ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдВ рддреЛ рд╕рдм рдареАрдХ рд╣реИ рдФрд░ рдХреЛрдИ рдФрд░ рд╡рд┐рдЪрд╛рд░рдХ рд░рдЦреЗ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗрдВ рддреЛ рднрдЧрд╡рд╛рдХрд░рдг рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ, рдХреЗрд╕рд░реАрдХрд░рдг рд╣реЛ рд░рд╣рд╛ рд╣реИ, рдореИрдВ рд╕рдордЭрддрд╛ рд╣реВрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЗрд╕ рдкреНрд░рдХрд╛рд░ рдХреА рдкреНрд░рд╡реНреГрд╛рддреНрд┐рдд рд╕реЗ рд╣рдордХреЛ рдмрдЪрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред рдореИрдВ рдЬреЗрдЯрд▓реА рд╕рд╛рд╣рдм рдФрд░ рдПрди.рдбреА.рдП. рдХреА рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╕реЗ рдкреНрд░рд╛рд░реНрдердирд╛ рдХрд░реВрдВрдЧрд╛ рдХрд┐ рд░рд╛рд╖реНрдЯреНрд░ рд╣рд┐рдд рдХреЛ рд╕рд╡рд░реНреЛрдкрд░рд┐ рд╕рдордЭрдХрд░ рдЖрдХрд╛рд╢рд╡рд╛рдгреА рдФрд░ рджреВрд░рджрд░реНрд╢рди рдХреЛ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдпрддреНрддрд╢рд╛рд╕реА рдмрдирд╛рддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдЙрд╕рдХреА рдПрдХрд╛рдЙрдВрдЯреЗрдмрд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдХрд╛ рднреА рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рд░рдЦрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗ, рдХрд╡рд╛рд▓рд┐рдЯреА рдХрд╛ рднреА рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рд░рдЦрд╛ рдЬрд╛рдпреЗред рдЗрд╕реА рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рдЕрдиреЗрдХ рдЪреИрдирд▓реЛрдВ рдХреА рддреБрд▓рдирд╛ рдХреЗ рдЖрдзрд╛рд░ рдкрд░ рд╣рдореЗрдВ рд╡реНрдпрд╛рд╡рд╕рд╛рдпрд┐рдХ рджреГрд╖реНрд┐рдЯ рд╕реЗ рдЖрдЧреЗ рдмреЭрдирд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕ рдмрд╛рдд рдХреЛ рднреА рдорджреНрджреЗрдирдЬрд░ рд░рдЦрддреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдЖрдк рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдмрдирд╛рдпреЗ рд╣реБрдП рдХрджрдореЛрдВ рдкрд░ рдирд┐рд░рдВрддрд░ рдЪрд▓рддреЗ рд░рд╣реЗрдВред”>
“> рдХрджрдо-рдХрджрдо рдмреЭрд╛рдпреЗ рдЬрд╛,”>
“> рдЦреБрд╢реА рдХреЗ рдЧреАрдд рдЧрд╛рдпреЗ рдЬрд╛ред”>
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : Now the hon. Minister will reply.
“>SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : The hon. Minister can reply tomorrow because the House is not full.
“>MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Minister has to finish it today. That is the decision taken.
“>SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I will go by the decision of the Chair.
“> 19.00 hrs
“>THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DISINVESTMENT (SHRI ARUN JAITLEY): Mr. Chairman, Sir, this discussion under rule 193 is with regard to the functioning of Prasar Bharati.
“> Certainly, with regard to the functioning of the Prasar Bharati and the conceptualization of its future that we have, this House and its hon. Members would have a lot to say because Prasar Bharati, Doordarshan and All India Radio are still struggling to define their identity in an environment where there are a large number of private channels. Some Members did refer and I must compliment Shri Suresh Kurup for having referred to the concept in which Prasar Bharati could be developed. But I deeply regret to say that a discussion on Prasar Bharati need not have been confined primarily to two individuals or to the attitudes of individuals who head the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting.
“> I must confess that I have the deepest personal regard for Shri Jaipal Reddy, who initiated the discussion. He was also fair enough to say that during the last few weeks that I have been associated with the Department he had no instance to cite any intervention by me. However, he made two crucial points. One was with regard to the retirement of two members and the other was that he thought that I, holding the current charge of this Ministry, am a bit too slippery.
“> I, today, realized why he has been awarded the honour of the `Outstanding Parliamentarian”. He anticipated what could have been said about the manner in which things have taken place in the past. I may remind him through you, Sir, that both of us were together in opposing the Emergency, both of us used to speak in the same voice on the Bofors case. I remain where I am and he slipped into the Congress; and today it was not merely slippery but I could see the point of distinction between what Shri K.P. Singhdeo said, what Dr. Girija Vyas said and what, belonging to the same Party, Shri Jaipal Reddy had to say. They were making suggestions with regard to the functioning of the Prasar Bharati but Shri Jaipal Reddy still wanted to defend what happened in November, 1997.
“> I do not what to go into specific dates as to what happened when. The mindset was Janata Dal; the defence was of the then members clearly identified with political ideologies coming into the Board; and then, the argument being made now, `My Government was on its last leg.” I do not want to quibble on the dates. The Jain Commission Report had been submitted to the Government. As a Minister of the Cabinet, the Government was aware of what the Jain Commission had said. The Congress Party was making the United Front Government shaky. There was a race whether the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting appoints the Board first or whether Shri Sitaram Kesari succeeds in withdrawing the support first. … (Interruptions) The Ministry facilitates the appointment of the Board.
“> My friend, Shri Rudy gave some dates. I do not want to get into those dates once again. But every statement with regard to withdrawal of support from the then Government by Shri Kesari, his first warning and his second ultimatum were timed with the appointment of the Board and what Board did they appoint?
“> I must confess that I have personally nothing against the members including the members who have retired. They may be very eminent in their own fields. But when you speak of plurality, did you consider that there was any other political opinion in this country other than the political opinion with which those persons were identified? The Chairman was a person, ostensibly a very honourable man, who had very strong left leanings. The CEO was was very critical of the BJP; he was more critical of the Congress. He was close to the so-called `Third Front”.
“>The two members who have retired may be people of excellence in their own fields, but who can deny that they have leanings to a political ideology. I have always asked myself this question: If you speak of political plurality, it must be reflected in the programmes, in the current affairs programmes. Did it not ever strike you that people who could have inclinations to some other ideology should also come on the Board? Please do not have double standards on the issue of autonomy; there is no principle in Indian politics, that only the people with Left ideology will represent autonomy and everything else is destructive of autonomy. That is the principle of double standards which you have been moving with.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Will you yield for a minute please?
First of all, the appointments cannot be made by the I&B Ministry and were not made by the I&B Ministry. Selections are made by the Selection Committee. For example, the Chairman of the Press Council is appointed by an independent Selection Committee. Why are you giving credit to me which I do not deserve?
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I am glad that Mr. Jaipal Reddy is saying this. Therefore, it was obligatory on the then Ministry – on the midnight of 20th November when he realised that the Chief Executive Officer-designate had passed the commercial interests with Doordarshan – to have disqualified him from being appointed because he could have been disqualified from continuing and also to have informed the Selection Committee once again that they have erroneously appointed a man who is disqualified from being appointed in the first instance. But he had already anticipated that appointment and amended the law by an Ordinance and the amendment which he brought about was this.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : When did I amend the law?
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Well, you must have had the person in mind, when you amended the law. … (Interruptions) I will give clarifications when you seek them later.
I know that some facts are very uncomfortable because there is no presumption.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : Some facts can be twisted by clever lawyers!
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Well, you have said about slippery today, but today it was not an act of being slippery, today it was an acrobatic act by which, sitting in the Congress benches, he is defending what the Congress had outrightly condemned. Let me just read out to him what the Congress had to say about what he did in November 1997. A Member of this House belonging to the Congress Party, Mr. Mani Shankar Aiyar had to say this in November 1997 about what the then United Front Government did and about what he did. He refers to this and I will read out only one sentence because some of the other sentences perhaps are little more aggressive. He says:
“The selection represents cronyism at its worst.”
This is what a Member of his present party had to say about what he did in November 1997. He wanted to give autonomy to the Board. I am, per se not against the concept of autonomy. But please do not re-position me in order to defend something that he did, which is indefensible. He wanted to give autonomy to a person who was politically so committed as the Chief Executive Officer. Is it desirable? He said that I am going to saffronise. Well, I have not made any single appointment. The appointments even today will be made by the same Committee. Why is he anticipating that the same Committee will make the appointments to the persons of saffron colour? Going by his own yardstick, if `red” can be autonomy, why is `saffron” a threat to autonomy?
Please do not have double standards. What you did in November 1997 had done a great harm to the concept of autonomy and the Prasar Bharati. The entire asset worth Rs.55,000 crore was placed in the hands of an individual, and how was that individual appointed? Mr. Reddy makes a strong grievance of the fact that Mrs. Sushma Swaraj, as the I&B Minister brought forward an Ordinance to get rid of Mr. Gill. But Mr. Reddy brought an ordnance to appoint Gill. Has that Ordinance ever became an Act?
The Ordinance was passed to repeal certain provisions of the Act. The Prasar Bharati Act had been passed by both the Houses of Parliament and an Ordinance was passed when the Congress was on the verge of withdrawing support and the Government was shaky. The Government knew that there was no possibility of this Ordinance ever becoming an Act.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : The Ordinance was passed on the 29th October.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Yes. The Jain Commission report had been submitted before that date.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : No. You are wrong. Mr. Jaitley, I will table a privilege motion. The Jain Commission report was not even leaked, let alone being submitted.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Well, I am sorry, you are referring to the `leak”, but I am referring to the `availability” of the report with the Government.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : No. It was not available.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: As a member of the Government, you certainly were privy to the knowledge which is much more than a leak. What kind of a person was appointed? The Selection Committee was not told that a person with commercial interest in Doordarshan is being appointed as CEO.
SHRI JAIPAL REDDY : He did not have any commercial interest. I did not want to defend an individual.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Forget that he was critical of BJP. He was a person who was a strong campaigner of a particular political view. The entire Rs. 55,000 crore asset, an independent electronic media as you want to define it, was handed over to this person. May I just read his views? He writes about your present party. He was writing about a person who was no more. Some courtesy could have been shown to him. He writes, “Rajiv lacked her adroitness and clout; whereas during Indira”s time, dissidents were controlled through a well directed activity, Rajiv ended it giving out of control.” … (Interruptions) Please allow me to complete. Perhaps in your present seat, it may embarrass you. “But Indiraji was never rude, not even to her worst opponents and refused to indulge in personal invectives, Rajiv had no such qualms. One can take an indulgant view of Rajiv trying to amuse him by his juvenile witticism, but for the fact that every word that Prime Minister utters carries weight or should carry weight, in such a high office it is better to be dull but discreet than smart and flippant”. … (Interruptions) Please allow me to complete.
SHRI JAIPAL REDDY : Since you have referred to the criticism that he voiced, I would like to make one remark. … (Interruptions)
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Why was a political person appointed as CEO? This is an explanation that you owe to the country.
SHRI JAIPAL REDDY : He voiced this criticism in a book as an author of that book. These were brought to the notice of the Congress Party and the Congress Party defended Shri S.S. Gill in the Twelfth Lok Sabha in spite of this. You kindly note this down.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Well, a senior Member of the Congress Party had said that it represents political cronyism at its worst.
SHRI JAIPAL REDDY : In the Twelfth Lok Sabha, when I was not the member of the Congress Party, the Congress Party defended the appointment of Shri S.S. Gill and opposed your Ordinance.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: I am glad that you have pointed out this to me. Then you use the adjective `slippery” for them and not for me.
He further says, “Rajiv had scant regard for established Parliamentary conventions”. You have appointed a person who is out and out political. You have appointed him as CEO who will run the electronic media of this country for the next six years. Therefore, I wish to merely submit that the problem with the Prasar Bharati is far more than a problem relating to one individual being appointed or two individuals being removed. A question was raised as to why two members were removed. That is the mandate of the law. Section 6(v) of the Prasar Bharati Act is very clear. It says that each member will have a term of six years, but it would be a rotational membeship like in Rajya Sabha where one-third of members will retire every two years. The Government will have the power to retire two members after every two years and two members after four years and the rest may continue for the full term. It is not the discretion of the Government. Therefore, from the next round onwards, the rotational system will come into play. The Government had no discretion in the matter but to retire two members. How do the Government exercise this discretion? There is a serious difference of opinion. One view was that you can do it by draw of lots. That is a view which Shri Jaipal Reddy publicly supported. With a minor legal background, I feel, that it is untenable in law because when you put people in governance of Prasar Bharati, those with a larger ability to contribute can continue more, then there has to be a criteria for the continuation. The basis for that continuation cannot be that one who is lucky will get a longer term.
It is not that he will continue though there are others who may be better qualified than him. Courts have always frowned upon draw of lots, chance or luck as an instrumentality of administrative decision making. We, therefore, went to the Attorney General and said that this was the circular. Should it be by draw of lots? The Attorney General was kind enough to record his opinion that this is the procedure which has been frowned by the courts all over the world. There has to be some criteria and this particular criteria should be followed. We have not, after following that criteria, appointed anybody. It is the same honourable selection panel which will appoint the people. There is no question of people of one ideology or the other being appointed. It is the same system which will be followed. The legality of our action has also been tested in courts. The consequences are known and, therefore, to say that it is ultra virus, unconstitutional or we have done it for political reasons, is not meant to be a stigma in any way about those who have retired. We have applied the criteria and unfortunately the two had to go and, therefore, two went. Therefore, whatever criteria we would have applied, instead of Shri Yadav, Shri Vergheese would have retired first. Shri Jaipal Reddy would have then said that Shri Vergheese is a man behind the idea of Prasar Bharati. He is associated with this idea since 1977. He should have been given the longest term. Why has the Government retired him first? Any argument could have been raised in relation to these retirements.
But, as I said earlier, Sir, today the issue is what is the functioning of Prasar Bharati going to be. Shri Pal was kind enough to say that I speak in two voices. Different people speak in different voices. It is very easy to make these allegations. But it is difficult when the same allegations are made back. Could I then say, that people in his Party also speak in the same voices? Is there no institution in West Bengal where the appointments have been made where people of a political colour go in? Sir, they want autonomy for electronic media in Delhi.
SHRI RUPCHAND PAL (HOOGLY): That means the Minister is agreeing that he speaks in two voices.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Well, that is your presumption, that is a hope and I would not oblige you with that.
SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : You are taking the other example to corroborate your position.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Well, I will explain the position, Sir. The West Bengal Government want to run a State-I Channel. So, in West Bengal there must be a State-run Channel and in Delhi there must be autonomy for electronic media. I do not know, Sir, who speaks in two voices.
SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : Sir, the problem is that the Central Government is confusing it with the State Government.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: If there is to be an autonomy then autonomy will not recognise the State boundaries within this country. It is an argument which has to prevail all through.
SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : The State Government wanted a Bengali Channel and not a State Channel.
SHRI ARUN JAITLEY: Sir, Shri Pal has been kind enough to state that. The Prasar Bharati I am given to understand, and this was a suggestion which was made by some of the hon. Members, is today effectively contemplating and putting into action channels in at least five regional languages in the next few months which will be available in five different States. There will be Satellite Channels running 24 hours. I am given to understand that one of their contemplations is also for a Bengali Channel. That perhaps may then satisfy the need of the State Government also.
The real issue before Prasar Bharati, Sir, is, with the air becoming public, available to private parties, it has been mentioned that there has been competition. Obviously, when there is a freedom of choice, the viewers will switch over from one channel to another. The figures today are, there are 69 million TV homes in this country. Of 69 million TV homes in this country, 29.4 million homes have a freedom of choice because they also have a cable and satellite channel. In States where the powerful private regional channels have come up and are very popular, the dip in both the revenue and the viewership of Prasar Bharati is more significant. What, therefore, has to be done to rejuvenate this organisation? What is the role of this organisation going to be?
I agree with the hon. Member from CPI(M) who spoke towards the end and asked and several other hon. Members also said – can you take BBC as a model? In the first instances, it can be very difficult to do. But the Act itself says that this is an Act which is contemplating to give Prasar Bharati – Doordarshan and All India Radio – a status of a public service broadcaster. Now if it is to develop as a public service broadcaster – the hon. Member was right when he said that it has terrestrial monopoly and large reach – people will have to be entertained. But besides entertainment, it is also information and education which have to be given. The private channels may only go for entertainment because it really brings revenue and that makes it sustainable. But even today, there is already a gradual shift taking place as far as projecting Doordarshan as a public service broadcaster is concerned.
It is very easy to say that it only projects the Government in power. I have seen the News and Current Affairs Channel. There are a series of discussions which take place. There is hardly a discussion which takes place having a representative from one party. Plurality of opinion must be encouraged and it is always there. Today if I give the figures of the one month itself, on education and cultural activities, the Prime Channel — DD-1 is to be developed as a public service broadcaster — has 22 per cent of its programmes on education, and culture and on information, it has 36 per cent programmes. Therefore, even today 58 per cent of DD-1 is moving in the direction of public service broadcaster. Dr. D”Souza was very right when she said that she is given to understand that they are already contemplating whether messages with a social purpose in regard to people who cannot read and write can be available on such a channel. The entertainment content on this channel has already come down to 42 per cent. But some entertainment will have to be there because entertainment cannot be the prerogative of those who have cable and satellite channels available to them. It is because still there are 60 per cent of the television homes in this country which do not have a cable connection. Therefore, some entertainment have to be provided as far as they are concerned. Therefore, my respectful submission would be, with regard to the functioning of Prasar Bharati as of today, there is an enactment. The enactment is the law. By Ordinances, efforts have been made to repeal some parts of the Act. But those Ordinances never had the approval of this House. People have pointed out several shortcomings in the Act. But then, it is for this House, as and when the opportunity arises, to bring changes as far as the Act is concerned.
Today, our priorities with regard to Prasar Bharati are very clear. We are concerned in developing it as a public service broadcaster. We want the quality of its programming to improve. We want it to be a forum which has credibility because there are a large number of entertainment programmes and some revenue generation will have to come. The rest is coming as Budgetary support from the Government. Its revenue generation has to improve. It is easy to construe professionalism as meaning RSS and professionalism as meaning saffron. I do not know how such a political construction is even imaginable. But today a reference was made to the election telecast. On an election programme each day in the News Bulletin, if party `A” was shown, leader of party `B” was also shown. In the current affairs programme, there was a plurality of opinion. But the difficulty was that the post-election telecast, Prasar Bharati telecast had the largest viewership in the country. It is several times over and above private channels. But the revenue generation was only a small percentage of what the private channels did. Therefore, if you are running an electronic media channel, you have current affairs programmes, and you have entertainment programmes. There is not a single system in the country in the Prasar Bharati even radio or television which has the ability to market programmes so as to be able to generate revenue. As a result of which it is the taxpayers money which is used to give budgetary support to Prasar Bharati.
Therefore, in the face of competition should various professional departments in Prasar Bharati be set up in relation to what is the quality of entertainment and how the current affairs programmes are to be packaged and marketed ? Most of all, the Government is committed that in order to develop credibility, the programmes of Prasar Bharati, particularly the news and current affairs programmes must be on a non-partisan basis. It cannot be used to propagate only one view because that would go contrary to the spirit of a liberal democracy or that would go contrary to even political pluralism which is a part of our system. Therefore, in order to consider how the structures of Prasar Bharati can be professionalised, it need not–my friend was right –operate only as a commercial organisation.
In public service broadcasting, commerce would take a back seat. But in entertainment and some other programmes, commercial realisation will have to be there; otherwise it is the taxpayer who is burdened. Public service broadcasting has to be done not with the idea of yielding monetary returns, but with the idea of educating and informing, as he has rightly mentioned. How is the structure of the organisation to be professionalised? Is the entire resource being fully utilised or not? We have, therefore, appointed three of the best available professionals to go into these questions.
A question was raised as to how long it will take. We have, in the first instance, given them a period of about three months to complete their study. I am given to understand that they are already working on the terms of reference which have been assigned to them. It is our endeavour to make sure that Prasar Bharati exists not merely as a competitor or as a clone of private channel, but as a public service broadcaster with a distinct identity of its own.
SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : I want to ask a small clarification. The Minister has admitted that two members from the Board were removed.
SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : We are not satisfied with the answer given by the Minister in regard to retirement of members and in regard to non-filling of vacancies. We, therefore, stage a walk out.
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(At this stage, Shri S. Jaipal Reddy and some other
hon. Members left the House.)
SHRI RUPCHAND PAL : The Minister has admitted that they were removed because ideologically they were opposed to them. The Minister has not replied to our valid queries about the removal.
MR. CHAIRMAN : The House stands adjourned to meet on Wednesday, 22nd December, 1999 at 11 a.m.
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The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock on
Wednesday, December 22, 1999/Pausa 1, 1921 (Saka).
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