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Lok Sabha Debates
Regarding Insult To The National Flag By The Rashtriya Swayam Sevak … on 16 August, 2000

Title: Regarding insult to the national flag by the Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh (RSS) preventing all-party workers from hoisting the flag at the National Headqaurter of RSS in Nagpur on the Independence Day.

SHRI PRAKASH YASHWANT AMBEDKAR (AKOLA): Sir, I am thankful to you. I am raising a very important issue. This is regarding the hoisting of the national flag. … (Interruptions)

श्री श्रीप्रकाश जायसवाल (कानपुर) : महोदय, बड़ा गंभीर मामला है,…( व्यवधान) हमें भी समय दिया जाए।…( व्यवधान)

अध्यक्ष महोदय : हमारे पास सब के नोटिस हैं, हम सब को टाइम देंगे।

SHRI PRAKASH YASHWANT AMBEDKAR : In the year 1949, there was an agreement between Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and the RSS, in which it was clearly stated that on the 26th of January 1950 when all the political prisoners were to be released, the RSS will hoist our national flag at their Nagpur Headquarters.

1216 hours (Mr. Deputy-Speaker in the Chair)

Time and again, there have been agitations from various quarters. I will not go into the past history; but the year before last, an all party meeting took place at Nagpur, in which a decision was taken that if the RSS does not hoist the flag at their national headquarters, the party workers will go and hoist the flag at the Nagpur Headquarters of the RSS. … (Interruptions)

SHRI VIJAY GOEL (CHANDNI CHOWK): Sir, what is the motion? … (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Speaker has allowed him.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Speaker has given him permission.

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श्री विजय गोयल : विषय क्या है, यह बताएं?…( व्यवधान)

श्री प्रकाश यशवंत अम्बेडकर : महोदय, पिछले साल जब सब पार्टी के कार्यकर्ता नेशनल फ्लैग हॉइस्ट करने गए थे तो उन पर लाठीचार्ज हुआ। वहां १०-१५ लोग घायल हो गए और १५ दिन के लिए उन्हें अस्पताल में रखा गया था, लेकिन उसके बावजूद भी वहां नेशनल फ्लैग हॉइस्ट किया गया था। इस साल भी जब कार्यकर्ताओं ने कोशिश की,…( व्यवधान) नेशनल फ्लैग आर.एस.एस. के नागपुर हैड क्वार्टर पर लगाया जाए।…( व्यवधान) उस पर विरोध किया गया है।…( व्यवधान) मैं सरकार से अनुरोध करता हूं कि वह अपना बयान दें।…( व्यवधान) जो आर.एस.एस., सरकार के पार्टनर हैं, सरकार में शामिल हैं,…( व्यवधान) क्या वे नेशनल फ्लैग को मानते हैं या नहीं मानते हैं।…( व्यवधान) यह सवाल सदन का है।…( व्यवधान)

SHRI ANIL BASU (ARAMBAGH): Sir, this is a very serious issue.

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am on my legs. Please sit down, Shri Goel.

… (Interruptions)

श्री प्रकाश यशवंत अम्बेडकर : इस देश के जो पंथ प्रधान हैं।…( व्यवधान) होम मनिस्टर हैं, मुरली मनोहर जोशी जी हैं।…( व्यवधान) मैं सरकार से जानना चाहता हूं कि क्या वे उनसे संबंध रखेंगे।…( व्यवधान) जो नेशनल फ्लैग को मानते नहीं हैं।…( व्यवधान)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have given the floor to Shri Prakash Ambedkar.

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Prakash Ambedkar, you have been given the floor. Please speak in brief.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Ramdas Athawale, if you interrupt, you will not be getting a chance.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.

(Interruptions)*

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Speaker has allowed Shri Prakash Ambedkar to speak. You are not allowing him to speak.

… (Interruptions)

श्री विजय गोयल : उपाध्यक्ष जी, स्पीकर साहब ने इनका एडजोर्नमेंट मोशन डिस-एलाऊ कर दिया है।…( व्यवधान)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If you behave like this, how can I conduct the House. Shri Vijay Goyal, please sit down.

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You allow him to speak. You are not allowing even me to speak.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: All of you will get a chance provided you do not interrupt. He has been already called by the Speaker. You are not allowing him to speak.

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, will you please allow me to speak?

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: How can I conduct the House if you behave like this?

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. Members, will you allow me to speak?

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MR.DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except Shri Prakash Ambedkar’s speech.

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* Not Recorded

SHRI PRAKASH YASHWANT AMBEDKAR: Sir, those Ministers and Members who are not aware of it, may please refer to Home Ministry’s Resolution dated 26th November, 1949. … (Interruptions) There they will find that there is an agreement between RSS and Sardar Vallabhai Patel which very clearly states that RSS will hoist the national flag on 26th January, 1950 at its Nagpur headquarters. … (Interruptions) From that day onwards, the RSS has never hoisted the national flag at its Nagpur headquarters. … (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Prakash Ambedkar, this is `Zero Hour”. What do you want the Central Government to do?

… (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH YASHWANT AMBEDKAR : Sir, the RSS celebrates 14th August which is the Independence Day of Pakistan. … (Interruptions) For those who want a proof of it, I would like to say that one of their MLAs Shri Gosalia got his hand burnt while lighting the fire of celebration on 14th August. … (Interruptions) This is a matter of national importance. … (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What do you want the Central Government to do?

… (Interruptions)

SHRI PRAKASH YASHWANT AMBEDKAR : Yesterday, when all-party workers went to hoist the national flag at RSS headquarters, Nagpur, they were prevented from hoisting the flag.… (Interruptions)

Sir, it is a shame that the National Flag could not be hoisted by one of the political parties. The House should take cognisance of this… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, Shri Ramji Lal Suman will speak.

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Athawale, there is a limit.

… (Interruptions)

 

 

SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN (COOCHBEHAR): Sir, this is a very serious matter. We would like to know the reaction of the Minister. Let the Government react?… (Interruptions). Sir, this is a very serious matter… (Interruptions)

SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DASMUNSI : Sir, this is an insult to the National Flag by RSS.… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Thomas, I have called Shri Ramji Lal Suman. I did not call you. If you do like this, I will not call you. I will not call you if you impose yourself on me.

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Athawale, you will not get chance today. Nothing will go on record.(Interruptions)*

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (MIRYALGUDA): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, is it proper for the Government not to react to the reported incident which involves insult to the National Flag? The Government should react… (Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Reddy, can I direct the Government to react?

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, the Minister is responding.

श्री प्रमोद महाजन : उपाध्यक्ष महोदय, स्वतंत्रता दिवस या गणतंत्र दिवस पर राजनीतिक संगठन हों या गैर राजनीतिक संगठन हों या सामान्य व्यक्ति हों, उनको अपने घर पर या खुले स्थान पर तिरंगा झंडा लहराना चाहिए। उसे दिन भर रखना चाहिए, शान से लहराना चाहिए और शान से उतारना चाहिए।

SHRI SUDIP BANDYOPADHYAY (CALCUTTA NORTH WEST): Sir, the District Headquarter of CPI(M) did not hoist the National Flag on 15th August… (Interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Sudip Bandyopadhyay, let the Minister complete.

… (Interruptions)

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What is this happening? Nothing will go on record, except the statement of the Minister.

(Interruptions)*

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MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record, except the Minister’s statement.

(Interruptions)*

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: When he is replying, you do not want to hear him.

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I would like to make one more point.… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record except the Minister”s intervention.

(Interruptions)*

SHRI PRAMOD MAHAJAN: Lastly I would like to say that there may be many offices belonging to different political parties; there may be many individuals including Members of Parliament who have residences in their constituencies or here. I do not see every Member of Parliament having a national flag on top of his house. That does not mean that he is not a patriot. It would be a foolish thing to even point it out.… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Nothing will go on record.

(Interruptions)*

* Not Recorded

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now Shri Ramji Lal Suman. Except his submission, nothing will go on record.

श्री रामजी लाल सुमन (फिरोज़ाबाद): ={ÉÉvªÉFÉ àÉcÉänªÉ, 21 àÉ<Ç BÉEÉä àÉlÉÖ®É ÉÊ®{ÉEɪÉxÉ®ÉÒ àÉå…… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am taking note of all those people who are interrupting. Even if their names are here, I will not call them to speak. I am announcing it here.

… (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Ramdas Athawale, please resume your seat.

मैंने देखा है कि कौन कौन सदस्य इंट्रप्ट कर रहे हैं। यदि उनका नाम लिस्ट में होगा भी तो मैं बुलाऊंगा नहीं।


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